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Xbox 720 requires mandatory game installs, Kinect – rumour

Monday, 11 February 2013 21:59 GMT By Brenna Hillier

You’ll have to have a Kinect sensor plugged in to use the next Xbox console, codenamed Durango and commonly nicknamed the Xbox 720, according to the latest rumours.

A source said to be SuperDaE, who is believed to have had and tried to sell a Durango development kit last year, told Kotaku he’s now possession of multiple Durango development kits, and that his information also pertains to final retail models.

According to the source’s information, which is apparently gleaned from overview documents, a new, improved version of the Kinect sensor will be bundled with every new console, and is no longer an optional accessory – you’ll have to have it plugged in and calibrated for the console to function.

The new sensor is said to be able to track up to six users at once, and that automatic player identification will be part of gameplay somehow. It will be able to track thumbs, see whether your hand is open or closed, and read facial expressions, and has an improved viewing angle.

Another mandatory new feature is a hard drive; all retail models will come with 500GB of storage, to cater for game installations, required for all titles. Unlike the PlayStation 3′s mandatory installs, the source’s information suggests Durango will be able to install in segments, so you can start playing while the rest of the data is copied over. Apparently, the console cannot access game data directly from the disc at all; it must read off the hard drive.

This seems like a weird limitation, but the console will reportedly have enough RAM to be able to run more than one app at once. Games can be suspended or paused, and you can switch between them and to other apps, apparently without losing anything from either.

As for traditional controls, Microsoft isn’t changing much, the source said, but will use a new wireless technology, so you won’t be able to use your Xbox 360 game pads.

On the SmartGlass front, Durango’s companion app will apparently utilise motion sensing tech in combination with Kinect, so you can use it like a Wii U game Pad.

Specs

Kotaku believes it has got its hands on technical specifications for the final retail build of the new console. It reports the custom hardware features an eight core, 64-bit CPU running at 1.6ghz, an 800mhz DirectX 11.x GPU and “custom hardware blocks” for specific tasks, taking the pressure of the CPU.

The system will have built-in WiFi support and an ethernet port, with HDMI and S/PDIF (optical) connections and support for 7.1 channels.

So far, the specs match previous rumours, but Kotaku’s source doesn’t mention ESRAM, saying the system has 8GB of DDR3 and negligible flash memory for system tasks. The disc drive can handle media of up to 50GB, and the HDD read speed is 50 MB per second. The report also mentions stereoscopic 3D at 1080p.

Kotaku’s report agrees with late 2013 release date speculation, and mentions that other sources have confirmed an always-on Internet requirement. It had nothing to say about the console’s final name or look, as dev kits typically ship in PC cases. The site also has images apparently taken from the source’s overview papers.

Sony is expected to unveil its new console at a PlayStation Meeting on February 20. Nobody has any concrete idea when Microsoft might jump to it.

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43 Comments

  1. Pytox

    If true, never an xbox for me

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Pytox

    So they can spy on you

    #2 2 years ago
  3. MadFlavour

    I thought this was an article about a games console, it appears to be an excerpt from the little known prequel to 1984.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Privacy is voyeurism.

    Gaming is work.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. MadFlavour

    Wanking is something that is the opposite of wanking.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. Erthazus

    “Durango will be able to install in segments, so you can start playing while the rest of the data is copied over.”

    Windows Vista/Halo 2 feature for the PC.

    when I played the game I thought it was the future when you play the game and everything installs automatically back then, but sadly it was only made for one shitty game. It is a very smart feature anyway.

    Always Kinect… I don’t want that for my future devices.

    I hope Sony won’t do this stuff with kinect-always on thing with their Playstation.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. daytripper

    Gets worse with every rumour, if true unless there is some really compelling reasons to own it there is no way I’m giving my money to this garbage

    #6 2 years ago
  7. stevenhiggster

    Not wanking?

    #7 2 years ago
  8. manamana

    Classy games is all that counts.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Clupula

    If true, the Next Box is automatically disqualified from whenever I get a next gen system.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. SlayerGT

    Always on Kinect? Wonder if you’ll be able to play games in the dark.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. drewbles82

    These rumours get worse everyday. I’m sure MS and any other games company would do a lot of market research and see that they would loose a lot of money.
    I could see the possible kinect 2 being part of the console just to get it into more homes but
    Always online will mean anyone without the net won’t be buying and thats still a lot of people.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Moonwalker1982

    I guess i’m the only one who doesn’t care that much. We all could have guessed that Kinect would become a big thing for the new Xbox. I’m fine with all that, as long as we see some great non-Kinect games too. Both exclusives and multiplatform titles.

    The game installing while playing it sounds like a cool feature, and i dig what they claim about the graphical leap, but i also that with a pinch of salt. If they bring some cool exclusives at E3, and we all know they need to, i’m alright. If not…then i will start to consider maybe giving up on MS.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Fin

    I don’t see an issue with any of this. Matches up with what I’ve heard so far.

    @12

    +1 from me bro.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. TheBlackHole

    I’ve never been a Playstation owner. My desktop console history (not that any of you give a ****) is:

    Commodore, Megadrive, N64, Dreamcast, Xbox, 360.

    I fucking love my xbox’s, but I’m having none of this shit. I just hope to god Sony fix their god-awful controller so I can justify buying a PS4.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Moonwalker1982

    @13

    I highly doubt MS will go full on Kinect with this one, at the end of the day they need the hardcore gamers too, cause after all..they are the ones that made the 360 such a success. I don’t see MS alienating their fanbase. I do see them focusing on Kinect next-gen, but i also expect great non-Kinect. If that’s the case, we are still friends MS ;)

    #15 2 years ago
  16. CPC_RedDawn

    Quote: ” and the HDD read speed is 50 MB per second”

    Seriously!??

    SERIOUSLY!???

    My 3-4 year old Samsung 1TB HDD can STILL read upwards of over 100MB/s and thats still on SATA2!! This 50MB/s is just unacceptable for a piece of hardware in 2012!

    I would much prefer a smaller (250GB) SSD than a large HDD. Just allow us to add in our own 2.5″ or even 3.5″ HDD’s by adding an expansion bay!??? Its THATS SIMPLE!

    #16 2 years ago
  17. stevenhiggster

    @14 There are many 3rd party controllers available. Also there is a wee box, can’t remember its name that lets you use a 360 controller on the PS3. Sure you’ll lose the sixaxis capability, but I really can’t remember the last game that made any use of it. Just an FYI.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. daytripper

    Anyone who does the monthly surveys on Xbox Live Rewards will tell you the actual questions are about Kinect, Fitness , how long you use Netflix and if you use other systems for Netflix. I think these questions which have gotten very similar over the past few months are very telling, I can’t remember the last time one of these surveys was about games or gaming orientated features you would like to see on Live, nothing of that ilk at all. If these rumours are accurate I think there is a chance will they will lose customers/gold subscribers. The Xbox forums are full of negativity about this system and it’s only rumours at the moment! Lol.

    I still look forward to seeing what it’s about officially, never know, it could have 1/2 great new exclusives.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. Fin

    @15

    Kinect 2.0 will almost certainly be integrated with the console, but I don’t see an issue with this – like they’re not going to make every game Kinect-compatible.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. Moonwalker1982

    @18

    Ok so let’s for a second say MS starts to lose customers/gold subscribers, because they simply put way too much focus on Kinect and the entertainment thing in general and very little about games. Who’s going to buy the new system? People already now have things that pretty much do it all, all those entertainment services. This new system will never succeed if it’s just for that crowd and the Kinect crowd. No way it’s going to survive without the money of the gamers that made the 360 successful.

    Let’s not forget the reports about new IP’s being made for the new Xbox.Sure a few could be Kinect games, but i bet there will be at least one or two of them that are non-Kinect and interesting for the real gamer out there. MS ain’t crazy, they see how well Sony is doing with bringing new and interesting IP’s and they would be crazy to let Sony win that easily. Not gonna happen. It has been known for a long time now that MS and Sony are aiming for an all-in entertainment machine, i don’t need that stuff, but it is what it is. I’m not really surprised about all this…i mean how much can you say/leak about games in development? Surely they’ll leave that for E3 and probably an unveiling at a pre-E3 show.

    I just want to know one thing now…will it be backwards compatible? Or will i still be turning my Xbox 360 on to play GTA V around then?

    #20 2 years ago
  21. Bill_E_Talent

    @20 Don’t you realize that with an always-on internet connection and a Kinect fully integrated into the console that you have no idea whether or not the fucking thing is watching/tracking your movements in your living space when your NOT gaming???

    #21 2 years ago
  22. daytripper

    @21 So Aaron Greenberg could catch a view of a kid going ballistic after he has been sniped on Cod by XxxSnipezLoveB0at67xxxx ?

    @20 Understand what you’re saying dude, I want both systems to be good really it’s just these rumours are pretty meh to me so far

    #22 2 years ago
  23. Phoenixblight

    @21 Unplug or not purchase the system, if you are worried about such a thing.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Moonwalker1982

    @21

    If those rumours are true, cause lets not forget that they ARE very much rumours, i’m sure they will find a way that such a thing won’t happen. Besides, when i’m not gaming…my console is not on :). I’m not too worried about this.

    I think we can expect the new Xbox to be shown pretty soon after February 20th and that E3 will be kept to show software and those entertainment bullshit things. I really do expect at least one interesting new exclusive from MS, cause you can only have so much Halo, Gears of War, Forza and Fable. If there’s no new exclusives..i will be surprised, but not in a good way.

    But again, rumours. I remember the ridiculous rumours about Project Café two years ago. Turned out nothing was true about it.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. daytripper

    @24 what rumours? Can’t remember much, I know it was said the stream to a controller but what rumours were incorrect ?

    #25 2 years ago
  26. Moonwalker1982

    I remember rumours on Neogaf and they got it from another source that all kinds of games would be revealed and amongst them GTA V, i shit you not. And much more nonsense like that.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. Bill_E_Talent

    @24 “Besides, when i’m not gaming…my console is not on . I’m not too worried about this.”

    Well, I am basing this off of previous rumours indicating the console would always be in “standby” when not in use. But, it’s all hearsay until they make an official announcement, so I guess it’s best to avoid making assumptions at this point.

    #27 2 years ago
  28. Zohar

    My question is why are these new systems running on such a low clockrate (yes I know clockrate isn’t everything). Looking at an Ivy Bridge 3570k for example, the thing runs at 3.4Ghz to 3.8Ghz with Turbo Boost and it’s WELL within safe thermal limits and pulls about 77 watts from the plug.

    I just don’t get it.

    Kinect mandatory… ugh no. Can I just put a piece of tape over the lens?

    @16 I’m with you man. That’s like ancient technology nowadays. You wouldn’t go buy a new smart phone or tablet and accept having technology from 5 years ago comprise of a major piece of it’s hardware. I don’t see why that would be acceptable on a gaming console either. Although, most people will just hear “500 GB” and be like “whoa that’s waaay more than my iPhone’s 32!” Sad

    #28 2 years ago
  29. G1GAHURTZ

    Where is O’Connor with his tinfoil hat clichés when you need him…?

    #29 2 years ago
  30. Bill_E_Talent

    Pretty sure he *logged off* days ago, first time I’ve ever seen someone rage quit a comment section.

    #30 2 years ago
  31. G1GAHURTZ

    “first time I’ve ever seen someone rage quit a comment section.”

    LOL!

    #31 2 years ago
  32. ArcticMonkey

    My guess is, if there is indeed any truth to this always on Kinect rumor, that the dev kits need Kinect always plugged in to operate. The retail versions will have them built in, and when your console is on so is your Kinect automatically.

    Just a guess

    #32 2 years ago
  33. ps4some

    @29 We killed him remember? I’m sure he’s still reading and has a sock puppet account though.

    @30 He quit before when he was Michael o Connor and came back as Ireland Michael. No conviction that boy.

    #33 2 years ago
  34. orakaa

    Oh… Kinect mandatory connection? No, never.
    I know those are rumors, but they could very well be true.

    The problem is Microsoft could very well put it into application without most people even realizing it. Same for second hand sales prevention: the majority of people buying consoles don’t pay attention to those details and just come to a GAME/HMV/you-name-it to buy “the next gen console” and won’t pay attention to the details. It’s only afterwards that the problems will become apparent, but it will be too late (same thing happened with RROD, as Microsoft KNEW their console had issues but still went to market distribution with it… and managed to get away with it).

    I don’t want Kinect to be mandatory “on” before I can launch any game. And 500 Go hard drive? With 50 Go blu-rays it would mean what, up to 10-20 games installed max? (let’s not forget that on those 500 Go, a LOT will be taken by the OS and other stuff).
    If Microsoft do this, they definitely won’t be getting my money. And if Sony does the same, then same thing.

    For the first time in my life, as a gamer, I am considering (if those rumors are true) to stop buying consoles.

    #34 2 years ago
  35. Docker Al

    “Xbox Live now boasts 46 million members” according to a more recent article on this website. That’s out of 76 million sold,so how are Microsoft going to sell their machine to the other 30 million customers if they opt for an “always on” internet connection?

    #35 2 years ago
  36. orakaa

    @35: a CONSIDERABLE amount of the consoles sold are replacement units (I know no one who still has his original fat Xbox360, and just as in my case, many were refused a “free” replacement because it RRODed just after the 2 year warranty).

    But indeed, there are also a lot of people who didn’t subscribe to Xbox Live.

    #36 2 years ago
  37. xino

    mandatory install!?
    retarded!

    I think they are missing the concept of a console!
    ONe of the reasons why I like consoles over PC is the fact that I DON’T have to put in a disc and start installing!

    The way games are designed in 7th gen sucks so much.
    I buy a brand new game, put the disc in and have to install some stupid update patch depending on the size. Now ready to play I find out i have to install the game to the hdd which is another 10mins.

    seriously man!
    8th gen will not be great.
    we really need a power horse console!

    #37 2 years ago
  38. TheBlackHole

    @37 I don’t know.

    After my initial rage I realised that I have an 80mb connection and Kinect is inoperable when I switch it off, so can’t say I’m too bothered about either issue.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. manamana

    @37 I Install every game I play on the 360. Usually they run a lot faster and you don’t have the annoying sound from the DVDplayer. Although I would like to be able to play while the game is installing, maybe they can manage that.

    #39 2 years ago
  40. DrDamn

    Kinect – meh. Mandatory installs actually makes sense. Particularly if they do it in the background successfully. Optical media for games is outdated – realistically it only works as a delivery mechanism now. Hold on … putting 2 and 2 together. Disc games require activation? No selling on … does that mean I can buy a disc in a shop, install it and then not have to have the disc in the drive any more? That would actually be quite good for me.

    #40 2 years ago
  41. Deacon

    A lot of comments in here about how if they go full Kinect the machine will flop…

    We’re not specifically the ones Microsoft are courting with their new console. They want it to appeal to the widest audience possible, surely? That means kids. That means the ‘casuals’. Us gaming enthusiasts are but a small piece of the overall pie.

    #41 2 years ago
  42. Dragon246

    @DrDamn,
    I imagine Gamestop will be GAME’d soon then :D
    Also +1

    @Deacon,
    Apart from pure hardware specs (a bit interested) , I am not interested in other rumors. I think it will depend on pricing.
    “Us gaming enthusiasts are but a small piece of the overall pie.”
    YOU MEAN I AM A MINORITY? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    #42 2 years ago
  43. ruckus

    ..,,;’”"‘;,. /notevenatastyrib

    #43 2 years ago

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