DmC: Devil May Cry sales target slashed by 800k

@138
Eheh my point is that you reached my point.
Capcom realized it couldn’t top Bayonetta, so they avoided the fight and changed DevilMayCry to something different, hoping that the new direction would have prevent them from being embarassed by the confrontation with the game made by the employee they more or less fired.

So…this DmC is the son of a vile strategy.
We won’t top the combat of Bayonetta, let’s not even try and focus on…hmm…story
It was born as a loser and it turned out better than any one could have imagined.
Ninja Theory did better than what the most sceptic fan thought they could achieved but the game was born with few ambition.

To put it in a good perspective…we’re lucky DmC is not an FPS…oh my god I gave Capcom an idea for dmC…every reboot will lose a capital letter :p

@147
Both scenes serve a very similar purpose, to show that Vergil is all about the end goal but the baby one is bad because it’s hamfisted.

Yeah, yeah, i got. It’s all the same.

@152 Pretty much every single scene in every single Devil May Cry, bar none, is literally a poster child for the whole definition of “hamfisted”.

“Am I being defeated?”

Asks Vergil in DMC3 after he’s defeated.

@154 sweet hyperbole bro.

I bet you never noticed that Vergil always went for his mothers amulet over Force Edge – the power he craved – whenever he was given the choice, or that Vergil 1 and 3 both ended with Vergil cutting Dante’s hand. Or even that Dante was nowhere near as cool as he thought he was and everyone else in the game thought he was an absolute moron.

Unlike DmC, DMC3 knew how to be subtle at points.

@154
DMC3 and 4 didn’t take their story as seriously.
I never claimed the previous games had good stories.
They weren’t marketed on their stories.

Can we stop the logic or trying to defend DmC’s story by pointing out flaws in the stories of the old games now?

“Can we stop the logic or trying to defend DmC’s story by pointing out flaws in the stories of the old games now?”

Only if we stop the logic of trying to defend DMC3/4′s story by saying it didn’t take itself seriously.

@156 Not even close to hyperbole.

I rate Devil May Cry’s writing, acting, and storytelling on the same grade as I do Metal Gear Solid. It breaks every single basic rule of writing, understands nothing about exposition, character development or story through action. It’s utterly contrived melodrama.

If it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously, then there’s absolutely no reason to compare the legitimacy of the actions of the characters in the old games comparative to the old one. Then again, I’m not the one writing a half dozen paragraphs trying to intellectualise Old Vergil’s personality and motives.

@158
I already admitted the story was bad though. It’s just not a big deal concerning the game because it wasn’t a serious selling point of the game.

@159
If only the gameplay could save DmC.

@155 he still had the strength to stand up and make one last charge, though.

@159 really? Even 2 and 3? I thought those were rather well executed myself…though the exposition DID get tiresome at points. Far from understanding nothing about character development or story through action.

@159 “If only the gameplay could save DmC.”

I think it does.

@154: Really? You’re comparing cheesiness (DMC 1-3) with a guy shooting a pregnant character’s baby? REALLY?
I didn’t find the previous games history to be mind-blowing or good, it was just fun and cliched.
But DmC took itself too seriously and got what they (NT and Capcom) deserved for this and other reasons.

The only game coming from Capcom those last years that I enjoyed was Dragon’s Dogma.

@154 So because they were “cheesy”… that made it okay for them to be shit? “Cheesiness” suddenly makes it okay to have a lack of quality? The acting was utterly dire throughout the series, the stories were garbage and the writing was even worse.

So by that logic, if DmC is guilty of that (I personally disagree), then its entirely authentic to the franchise, in that sense at least.

Copying from somewhere else, because I think it shows the difference between DMC and DmC’s storytelling methods:

In DMC1, you weren’t told much, beyond the fact that Dante is half-human, and half-demon, but as he starts fighting
the various demons, you see the fear that some of the demons have of his father, Sparda, and subsequently, Dante.
As you aren’t told much about Sparda, beyond the little fmv at the beginning, you sort of build up this image in your head
of how powerful he is, and what he’s capable of.

Meanwhile, in DmC, you get spoonfed all the details of the story, and you find out that Sparda did jack shit, apart
from banging an angel, which is against demon law. It doesn’t help that the pictures you see of him portray him as
a balding middle age man, compared to the demonic sword-wielding spirit of vengeance from the original series.
On top of that, none of the demons are scared of Donte, and he lives in a filthy trailer, and considering his trailer is parked
on the pier next to an amusement park, is likely a carnie as well.

@162: @159 “If only the gameplay could save DmC.” I think it does.

You mean, as we can see in sales results?

@164: it was bad as a B movie, never intended to be taken seriously… but it never tried to be as shocking as possible like DmC tries to.
But then again, I am not defending the original Devil May Cry games: at first, there was barely any story behind, it was just background. DmC insists on its story, which wouldn’t be a problem if it was well-written, which it is not.

@165 “It doesn’t help that the pictures you see of him portray him as
a balding middle age man”

How dare a character be presented as a vaguely realistic person instead of some sort of utterly overblown superhuman. It’s what makes character like Kratos utterly shit.

“he lives in a filthy trailer, and considering his trailer is parked on the pier next to an amusement park, is likely a carnie as well.”

So? The guy spent most of his young life as a delinquent. What did you expect him to be doing? Living it up at the Ritz? At least the title attempts to give some sort of actual context to the identities and backstories of its characters, instead of just plucking out a bunch of tired animu clichés and throwing them in a blender like the previous games did.

@166 “You mean, as we can see in sales results?”

Since when did popularity ever equate to quality?

By that logic, the Call of Duty games are the greatest games ever made, Glee is quality television, and Lady Gaga is the pinnacle of musical creativity.

SHUT THE FUCK UP
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The smartest thing I heard is that this new Dante won’t ever be relatable because he’s NOT human, he has NOT the human side, he and his brother are 2 ALIEN MORONS.
Everything was destroyed to give birth to this…pastiche.
The proud Sparda is a middle aged bald man running away from a fat demon…
Also…dunno who the writer is but…conceptualize how wrong is this.

A-Mundus find the happy family’s estate
B-Mundus kills Eva in front of on of her sons then he’s satisfied and “just” leaves…and Vergil was in the toilet pooping so no demon was aware of him…but wait…Eva tried to call Sparda but…
C-Sparda was at the pub because it was Friday evening, didn’t get pissed because he wanted a divorce anyway and took the sons away, because after all Mundus wasn’t so pissed at him and Sparda thought that he didn’t had to pass money monthly to a dead wife
D-Sparda get himself caught ALIVE

How fucked is that?
It’s as believable as a flying ass pooping rainbows.
That alone is more cringy than everything in the past games

@167Because Kratos totally looks like an unassuming Everyman. Riiiiiiight.

Also, seriously, dude? Donte’s been killing Demons all his life, starting with that retarded ‘demonic orphanage’ he got sent into by his dad for some stupid reason. Weren’t you paying attention when Bob Barbas recited his ‘history of violence’?

No wait never mind I misread what you were saying. Regardless, why a carnival? And why answer the door naked?

In DmC2 Nero will be replaced by Fin because Fin can say “Fuck” faster than Nero

@170: “And why answer the door naked?”

Because he doesn’t give a shit?

“Because Kratos totally looks like an unassuming Everyman. Riiiiiiight.”

That was entirely my point. He isn’t. His motives and ideas are utterly unrelatable.

“Also, seriously, dude? Donte’s been killing Demons all his life, starting with that retarded ‘demonic orphanage’ he got sent into by his dad for some stupid reason. Weren’t you paying attention when Bomb Barb as recited his ‘history of violence’?”

Clearly I wasn’t the one paying attention. There’s a big difference between what New Dante was doing – I would make the argument that he was spending most of his life running, not fighting – and what Old Dante was doing, which was basically the equivalent of someone waving their dick around and shouting at everyone to notice.

New Dante barely even understood what the hell was going on. He wasn’t a “demon killer”. He spent most of his life trying to avoid that shit because he thought he was crazy.

“Weren’t you paying attention when Bob Barbas as recited his ‘history of violence’?”

Bob Bardas’s job was to overblown and manipulate the media, to spread propaganda and fear. Taking what he said at face value is completely missing the point.

“Regardless, why a carnival? And why answer the door naked?”

He had no life, no prospects, no moral upbringing. He didn’t give a shit. How would he get a job? Even *he* thought he was crazy. It just happened to be parked near a carnival, which makes for a cool set piece.

I could ask a million questions about Old Dante. Why place his business in some dreary back alley? Why have a shop at all if you needed a special way to contact him anyway? Surely having that business at all is a giant telegraph saying “HEY DEMONS, HERE I AM!”? Where did he get the money to run it?

At least DmC tries to create some goddamn context.

@173: HAHAHA. Ah, seriously, you make me laugh so much. I know it’s not your initial intent in writing those comments, but still

Jesus Christ how do you freaks work up enough aperg to write small essays every other post? Confuses the hell out of me.

As for vaguely realistic, have you seen that image of ‘Spur do’ getting tortured? It looks fucking rediculous.

Guys, why the fuck are you still arguing about this.

You all complain about it.
The game came out.
You all complain about it.
The world continued spinning.
You all complain about it.

@176: It looked like it was going to get quiet, but you had to ruin it for us all.

OLD DANTE SUCKS DONKEY DICK

SEE?! THIS IS WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! WHY DO YOU MAKE ME DO THIS?!

New Dante: “fuck you!”

Sorry… couldn’t resist, hahaha

if there wasn’t a DMC in the past, there would not have been so many critics. everyone would be excited enjoying this great game.

In my opinion, Ninja Theory has had the heart to produce this game. Every details/every moments in the game are so balanced and fine-tuned.

Yeah, its sad more people don’t actually play the game…
I was the dude crying foul last week… played the game, and I have to say it, “It is the best DMC in the franchise.”
It is quite arguably the best game Ninja Theory has ever put out.
It genuinely makes me sad to see it not sell so well… it deserves better.
It is definitely a triple A game, with triple A quality.
I’ve spent almost 20 hours with the game, and its a crying shame people don’t give it some real “playtime.”
I mean if they did, their minds would be changed, just like mine was.
Not looking forward to eating my own words on youtube…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdHiGC41HWo

Can anybody tell when DMC was focusing in the story ?

it’s a freaking game that’s care about a gameplay (only).

@181: The core of the series was the gameplay, but the story does actually matter. If it didn’t matter then we wouldn’t have one at all, we’d be fighting in a giant sandbox game with no goals or missions using nameless stick figures as characters.

@182 “The core of the series was the gameplay, but the story does actually matter. If it didn’t matter then we wouldn’t have one at all, we’d be fighting in a giant sandbox game with no goals or missions using nameless stick figures as characters.”

Even porns try to have some semblance of a plot. That doesn’t mean they’re any good.

The plots in the DmC game existed as an excuse for the gameplay. That doesn’t change the fact that they were poorly written, poorly acted, and poorly constructed.

best dmc yet.

@183: Whether or not the story (plot is different) is good is a separate matter from whether or not it matters. If it didn’t matter for the DMC franchise, then nobody would be able to discuss anything concerning story because there literally would be nothing to present. The name Dante would not exist, or if it did, it would be on a bland or featureless character with no defining traits. Dante would not meet a woman named Trish, he would not fight his brother turned into Nelo Angelo, and he would not defeat Mundus in the end. And he wouldn’t do this in a gothic setting. None of these elements would be present if they didn’t matter.

They are not just “an excuse for gameplay,” but even if it was just “an excuse for gameplay,” the supposed need for story existing to give an excuse in and of itself says that the story is important. You don’t need story to be present as “an excuse” if it has no importance. It doesn’t matter how much you dislike the story, disliking the story doesn’t make it not matter.

I think this DMC % and DMC 4 both have great stories. I like 5 by far the best. And i think they took this game in the right direction.
So keep them coming. I can wait for the DLC for this game.

http://youtu.be/Yl5NSugBtrA

Felt appropriate.

@187: And then Dante was a zombie. Also reiterates what I’ve already said. The quality of the story is a different matter entirely from whether or not it has any importance.

@183: “poorly written, poorly acted, and poorly constructed” ?? I do not agree. Are you expecting a story like The Dark Knight in DmC?

This game slowly and carefully explain the personality of each characters, which are successfully blended into the gameplay. Game visual, game level, etc are also very well balanced. I honestly do not see this level of depth in the previous DMC games.

Again, too bad there was an old DMC to compare with. People are either getting used to the old style Dante, or getting too familiar with the original story.

@189
Ok, let’s say that the fans close their eyes on the story.
Let’s pretend it’s good, ‘mkay?

I’m playing a game.
And the game is way less deep than the previous ones and every aspect of the gameplay is very toned down.
If you compare DmC to other products in the market it doesn’t excel in any aspect.
There’s this glorified platforming that is inferior to Darksiders to mention 1 game.
The shapeshifting envyronment is worse than Uncharted and God Of War.
The combat is worse than the previous iteration of the franchise and way worse than Bayonetta and will be worse than Metal Gear Rising.
I’m playing a game.

If I want a good story I watch the King’s Speech, The Untouchables, Fight Club, a good TV series, but I’m playing a game, and this game is worse than lots of others.
The problem got inflated because Ninja Theory, Capcom and Reviewers were trying to sell gold plated turds to people.
I never saw in my life artists blaming the consumers for not liking their products.
Both Darksiders were excellent products that sold poorly and led THQ to their demise but Vigil/THQ had dignity and never complained about the customers.

Well that’s going to be a nice lesson to them: DO NOT FUCK WITH APPEARANCE OF A WELL KNOWN MAIN CHARACTER.

The game overall is very good btw, I just finished it couple of days ago and it’s kind of pity it doesn’t sells well. But yeah they seriously fucked up Dante’s looks and even mocked old design with one scene to add insult to injury.

@189
Copying from another site, this post sums up my opinion nicely:

After playing through DMC3:SE a week before pirating it, Vorgil was a massive massive anticlimax.

In fact all the bosses were anticlimaxes. They were pure, unadulterated SHIT.

Adding on top of that the constant interruptions to gameplay (platforming where you only ever double jump, glide, or use two flavors of hookshot and those god damned unskippable cutscenes) and you get something thats profoundly unfun to play.

Which is a damned shame, because the gameplay itself has a fuckton of potential. Like seriously, the trigger thing could have worked really bloody well if there wasn’t input lag and the gameplay wasn’t so goddamned SLOW. And those fucking gimmick enemies where you can only attack them with angel weapons/demon weapons/from the front/from the back. What idiot came up with those crimes against fun?

Its just…fuck. It could have been awesome, but Ninja Theory are fucking incompetent retards that needed the DMC4 team to shore up their retardation.

I just played through the club level and the Mundus HQ level and I thought they were both great.

And input lag? Really? Crimes against fun? You mean a challenge?

@193 nightclub level was my favourite. So good.

@194, Yeah, it really was superb. I don’t remember in any recent memory a trip-A game having such a cool level with that sort of style. Plus the combat with the music behind, awesome. Really great.

Yep, my favorite level as well. Just kicked the Kane & Lynch Night Club level from it’s Night Club Level Throne.

I wish more games would have a synch between the level and the music.

And dat music!

I usually dislike Dubstep, but that song is amazing:

http://youtu.be/lFM_8XKHqOM

@197 best Noisia track on there imo

@198: From the aggressive ones, yes. I also like “Poison Theme”, including the introduction, which usually plays in the main menu. I also like the quiet songs as well. Generally surprised to hear that Noisia composed them as well.

Really like “The Trade” and “Kat’s Theme”.

I didn’t know who the artist was so thanks for that.

Listening to the album on Spotify now, some good workout/running tunes making their way onto my gym playlist.