PS4: PlayStation Meeting 2013 heralds big news from Sony

@99 GoG pretty much gets rid of that problem. And at the price they sell the games, I can’t really complain.

@101 Surely you realise the irony in that? That game you can’t max out on your PC is probably the equivalent of the “low” setting when being run on the 360. =P

@97, I’m a PC gamer, I built my machine and I recently ran into a problem where my machine was constantly BSoDing and after searching for potential problems online I solved the issue by opening it up and removing and replacing all the components. Now it’s fine again.

That’s not extremely difficult for me because I know what I’m doing. But do you really expect people to spend £300+ on components and then risk taking their machine apart?

PC gaming is only easy as long as you don’t run into major problems but you only have to check game forums of PC games to see the unending list of technical problems people run into.

Some people were trying to have a nice PS4 announcement chitchat here. So why do some of you PC guys have to ruin this all the time? Why do you even come here and read the news about consoles? If you’re so excited about it that you have to comment on every console news article than you should probably just buy one…

@103 I’ve had to shell out over $500 in the past four years to fix problems with my console, smart device and handheld hardware… none of which were my Xbox 360, ironically.

Hardware problems are a potential issue no matter what format you use.

@102

Yeah, but there’s nothing I can do about it on 360! i just have to grin and bare it and gameplay is rarely effected.

Saying that, things like Slepping Dogs and Far Cry 3 show me we need a new gen soon. However, even playing those games on PC wouldn’t elevate the gameplay that much.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-introducing-the-digital-foundry-pc

People might want to read this. The short of it is you can build a console beating PC for £300. Obviously if you spend more the greater the margin at which you ‘beat’ the console.

PSDeath = £400, ShiteBox = £400, Wii U = £300 and that’s before you’ve even bought a game, paid for a subscription and bought peripherals. Yeah, console gaming is really fucking cheap. Not.

The price for all of the above consoles could get you a great PC, it’ll run the games superior to any of the above consoles, the games are the best they can be (not a baseline experience like consoles offer), it’s got more new IP than you can keep up with, the games are cheaper, mods are a great, online gaming is free and does more than just play games! Plus it’ll last you easily 5/6 years without an upgrade.

And you won’t need to re-buy your games again when tech advances.

When those 4K TV’s become affordable, you won’t need to re-buy HD remakes. The games will already be 4K with a press of a button to change the resolution (or you could go into the config file and change it there).

Sadly, most console gamers can’t comprehend any of the above.

Seriously, why should i buy a PS4/720/Wii U? For a few overrated exclusives? Another Halo, another Uncharted?,, another God of War, another Forza, another Gears, another Zelda, another Mario? Fuck that, i’m snoring already even with the thought…

It is PS4 for sure, the number of shapes are 4, I know this is the case since beginning, but I have a big fealing it is a PS4, looking at the way the are presenting them.

@105, That’s three devices, I wouldn’t say that’s bad going. You’re looking at $500 to replace a decent gfx card alone.

And did you spend $500 to get it repaired or to do the repairs yourself which is the real point here. Like I was saying before, if you go down the build-your-own route, you’re essentially looking at self-support.

@107

So for about £300 I can buy a PC that’s a bit better than 360 / PS4.

So what?

The best reason to buy a PC is if you like strategy or MMO type games as there pretty much exclusive to the platform.

For getting a 10fps increase in Need for Speed for £150 more than you can buy a PS3 / 360 for is such a moot point.

@108 You know mate, you would make your point a lot better if you didn’t keep resorting to insults and mockery in every second sentence you make.

I enjoy console gaming, but I also enjoy PC gaming. I happen to enjoy handheld gaming as well. Heck, I even dabble in casual and mobile gaming just for fun from time to time.

…why is so damn hard for people to have a balanced perspective?

@100 You can get a “decent” graphics card for less than £200, and it will run pretty much everything but the most graphical intensive games on the market on “high”. Your numbers are way off.

@112 +1

@112

That doesn’t work here.

@114, Clearly.

@112

One of the reasons to own a PC though, is to play the most graphically intense games. I wouldn’t even bother starting unless I knew it would be offering a huge jump over consoles.

I wouldn’t want to build a rig, load up Metro Last Light and have it running at 20fps…

It would be like buying a Ferrari only to find it has a limiter on top speed. Of course there are other great less intensive games, but do you really think Erth or other eletists are talking about those?

Of course not, they like to wave their polygon dicks about.

@112, Because they have political aspirations. Regular people can have a nice debate without resorting to anger & abuse, some people actually enjoy debating without turning it into a squabble. They even sometimes learn from it & are often capable of comprehending the opposing view. Politicians & fanatics are not. It’d make more sense if we were talking about sports where it’s understandable- even encouraged to be supportive & defencive of your side regardless of facts.

@116 The reason to own any format over another is a simple one… the games.

It has nothing to do with the hardware or the graphics, at least not for me. I can’t rightly play World of Warcraft or Guild Wars 2 on my Xbox 360, now can I? Likewise, I would be missing out on great titles like LittleBigPlanet and Uncharted if the only thing I had was a PC.

Yeah, sure, there are some games that require stupidly high specs, but there are positively dozens of exclusives coming out every year on the PC that dont need anything but the most modest, five year old hardware to run perfectly.

If you’re platform agnostic, you get the best of both worlds. If there wasn’t game I wanted on the PC, I wouldn’t bother. But there is, so I do. Just like upgrading to a new generation of console hardware…

I was a PC Gamer for 6 years, with the same PC might I add(good old Pentium D 3.0ghz lasted till last week, only added more RAM and changed GPU a lot of times). But like someone said above, If I couldn’t run the game on Ultra in the PC I felt I was missing something in the game. So I forget about PC and jumped to PS3. Instead of praying for the game to run nicely everytime I bought one, I now rest assured that everything I buy will play like it should and I won’t be left behind by some kid whose father has more money than I.

So being in both sides (was a high-end PC player for sometime, could run Crysis on Ultra with at least 40 fps) I can say, PC is for people who enjoy buying parts and changing them from time to time, as a hobby. The gameplay will be the same in both, but you can fell empowered with a PC and have small differences in graphics…

Because it is a small difference. For me graphic diffrence is PS2 X PS3. Not 12x AA X 24x AA. Ask someone who isn’t a gamer to see the difference between Xbox 360 X PS3 X PC. They will say it’s the effing same thing. And it plays the same anyway.

All this arguing is silly. You should all just be quiet and accept that my opinion is the only one that matters.

JM

The day when my PC allows me to do all of the following I will take it seriously as a gaming platform:

1) Boot up, using only a controller, straight into a unified network front-end.

2) Have that front-end list ALL my games. Not just steam games, not just origin or whatever other service. ALL games.

3) Have a single list of all game achievements.

4) See all my friends listed together regardless of what they are doing.

5) Form parties, message and chat using the front-end, regardless of whether people are gaming, browsing, doing whatever.

Steam comes close on most of those points, but it’s just one of many competing services. Consoles have everything in one place, a proper sense of community, and a level playing field in competitive play.

When there is one PC service, one PC community, one consistent front-end… then I might consider PC gaming. Not before.

I couldn’t care less if my PC plays exactly the game games as my consoles at twice the resolution or twice the framerate. That crap just isn’t important to most console gamers. Time and convenience are.

I like to justify my purchases by telling other people that their stuff is rubbish.

@112, You seem to be misunderstanding my point, I probably didn’t explain myself well. I’m not saying you can’t or shouldn’t build, buy or game on the PC.

Just that in the case of the PC gamers who talk about “getting the most out of the games” would usually mean high-end machines offering the best performance and graphics. I don’t even think my machine is considered “high-end” but maybe above average, and mine was certainly more than £500, the gfx card alone was £300.

I will stand by my opinion that console gaming is currently an easier, hassle free option when it comes to gaming over the PC. Like I said, you don’t have to look far in game forums to see the variety of technical problems you can have in PC gaming.

@122 Do it verbally to folks around you next time you’re at a retail store.

@118

But it’s not though is it. Not entirely.

There’s always been willy waving attached to graphics and that’s especially prevalent in PC gamers.

Hence terms PC master race, PC Eletist, twat, etc…

Playing some older games is fine, but for a lot of people, to make that jump its gotta bring something a lot bigger. With PC’s that mainly comes from the scope and size of multiplayer FPS, MMO’s and of course sheer power.

If I was NvIDIA, I would actually make my next graphics card external, so you had to plug it in outside your rig.

I’d also make it look like a massive cock and all the heat sink and over clock controls would be on the shaft.

I think then a lot of PC gamers would be happy.

@121. You can put non-Steam games like Battlefield 3 onto Steam once installed. If you don’t want to add them to steam, you could just arrange a bunch of shortcuts onto your desktop or the Windows 8 start screen.

For chatting you can always use something like Skype, it’s very simple. There are also popular applications that allow you to do so from in game like Xfire.

But what you want is a monopoly on an open platform out of convenience. I’m the opposite, I enjoy having multiple ways to purchase my games. I did get Far Cry 3 Deluxe edition for $30 in it’s first week.

Also, I take it you’ve never heard of sleep mode before.

Look i agree with michael a person can enjoy all gaming experiences, and avid gamer will do that, regardless of format, manufacturer and device, thats the way it should be.

Personally i dont like PC gaming, never have been a fan and i think i never will be, for a lot of reasons i stated in the past that is not worth mentioning here as well, but i respect PC gamers nontheless and i will cheer everytime a console game goes to PC, because i know more gaming fans will enjoy more games, and that as a fellow gamer is what i want, so please be open minded and dont come here a mainly console news site to disqualify consoles just because you prefer PC, especially which such a bad nerve, i prefer a polite tone, it will make a great discussion.
p.s sorry for the topic at hand i really hope they release it on 2014, there is an strong list of ps3 games coming this year, that i think 2014 will be a sweet spot, now i really also hope that the new xbox and playstation devices launch with a very separeted date, i need to save some money to buy the new consoles, especially here in my country where they cost a lot, really a lot.

@125, Those aren’t PC gamers. Those are snotty elitists knobs. They’re the equivalent of console fanboys for the PC market. Unfortunately, just like console fanboys, they’re the *very* vocal minority.

@126, This is a great point, and very well put.

You can’t have a closed architecture on an open platform. Likewise, you can’t have open expansion on a closed platform. There are benefits and downsides to both.

@128

Of course, and that was kind of how it started.

I was just calling PC Playboy out on his obvious trolling bull crap.

Half an hour later, here we are and him and Erth have gone! Successful troll was successful!

@129 You are planning on eradicating their whole race one by one aren’t you?

@129

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Man I love announcements for announcements.

All aboard the hype train choo choo no stopping till your a dribbling retard!

The PC is the best fucking platform in the world. Period. Consoles are shite.

@133 Yep, definitely a troll.

If I had to bet, I’d say he has an alt with each platform in the name and just bombs a thread for shits and giggles.

To be fair, there are a lot of PC games that never make consoles. Like Diablo III, Rift, Guild Wars, Civ V, Starcraft, and many many more. Many PC gamers also own consoles. Consoles ain’t cheap either. And their games are often higher priced.

You can enjoy both if your lucky enough to be able to own them all.

But if you noticed there are ALOT more gamers out there claiming to be PC gamers then there used to be. Not like just one or two elitest guys. Sure those guys are still out there. But I am not like that. My PC has always been somewhat modest. I just droped a new PSU, GPU and jumped to 16G ram. Cost me lil’ over 100usd. That is less then 2 full priced PS360 games. Or a tad over one game and a season pass.

Very reasonable.

As for the PS4…mildly excited at this point. I easily could have lived without the PS3 this gen. But I have grown to loath MS. So I will keep an eye out and see what happens. But unless they offer second screen intgration on the same level as WiiU, I am not interested enough to buy one any time soon. Maybe down the road in a few years for a cheaper price and a built library of games.

#137 OG you forgot to mention Orcs Must die 2, and torchlight 2 ;_; sniff ;_; sniff

I thought OMD2 was on XBLA? I recently snatched that up on Steam for a few usd. And that is the other thing too…the amount of money I save because of Steam sales is crazy. It really helps narrow the price gap between consoles and PC. OMD2 for example I think I spent 3something usd. On XBLA it is likly 1200MS points(like the first one) that is 15usd. Over a 12usd savings. And that is just one game, and a lower priced one at that. I have a lot of games I have bought for less then 5usd. Playing NFS Hot Persuit, again I paid 3something usd.

But yeah I am not trying to seem like an eletist jerk. I am just saying that not all PC gamers are focused on the extreme high end. My PC is somewhere in the middle. And I still own and enjoy consoles(just like Erth does, btw).

Alot of console gamers have a misconception or two about PC gaming. All I am saying.

#138 no OG, is not on XBLA, and i think there is no plans to bring it, torchlight 2 might come for 720 though, or i hope, i did like torchlight a lot.

As for steam, i understand that people save money, but to tell you the truth i dont want that to become the standard or the only way of delivery in the future for games, i want to control the access of the game or data on a X device, without an account or always connected network for all my games, i understand for a few games yes, but the games i love or like, i do want them to be available at my own accord, without an external control, like with physical or free PSN/XBLA, like i said i understand people like this idea, but i dont want it to become the only way of distribution for the future, it is not healthy for a consumer standpoint of view IMHO.

@139 I doubt we’ll see Torchlight 2 on anything but PC. Most publishers learn their lessons after using the Xbox Live Arcade for the first time, and have the sense not to go back.

@viralshag, There is nothing to learn about PC. It’s a dumb machine to run your games. It’s easy to use as it is.
There are even Big Picture modes from the likes of VALVE.

@Fackzooks, I love that smell of shiny bullshit. That’;s why I will absolutely comment to that shit.

“1) Boot up, using only a controller, straight into a unified network front-end.”

you can do that with Mac or a PC.

“2) Have that front-end list ALL my games. Not just steam games, not just origin or whatever other service. ALL games.”

Jesus Christ. Main Folder – Games

Retards these days.

“3) Have a single list of all game achievements.”

Choose your system “Origin, Steam” andf stick to it.

“4) See all my friends listed together regardless of what they are doing.”

Skype, MSN, whatever. (skype will be in the next gen Xbox because Xbox Live chat is outdated already)

5) Form parties, message and chat using the front-end, regardless of whether people are gaming, browsing, doing whatever.”

skype, Steam chat. Oh geez.

As I said earlier. Disabled people.

PC gaming definitely is good, but consoles have certain advantages which make them a more popular choice. I myself spent most of the gaming time of pc until 2-3 years ago.
Console will remain a major market because its just a more cohesive gaming experience imo. Its just like a pc, but talior made for gaming.
Consoles are set to become even better proposition imo. Sony will probably showcase games like Planetside 2 , maybe even Everquest next on ps4. Games like Dust 514 shows that at least sony is willing to open their structure to allow devs better facilities and self-publishing is also a good thing.
I will definitely return to pc gaming next-gen, as I will buy a good pc soon. Really excited for ps4+pc combine. But first I have to finish my massive ps3 backlog.

#140 Why Michael?, theres seems to be a few small developers that do well, and didnt had any problem and that are being treated in a good way, unless i dont know the whole thing, thats why i ask interested to know.

I want to be “that Console fanboy guy” for a while and make some bullshit points about consoles. Here it goes:

The day when my Consoles allows me to do all of the following I will take it seriously as a gaming platform:

1) Speak to me like SIRI does

2) Play Only Andgry Birds

3) Will be just a service without a box

4) To have an option like in “Teamspeak3″ to “Poke people” with additional information where you can write: “console gamers are disabled people”

5) More 12 year old kids playing Halo, Call Of Duty

6) A lot of Sport channel and other unnecessary bullshit that no one needs.

I couldn’t care less if my console plays exactly the same games as my smartphones at less the resolution or less the framerate. That crap just isn’t important to me as a Real console gamer. Brothers unite. Time and convenience are. Angry Birds FTW.

@Dragon246, “PC gaming definitely is good, but consoles have certain advantages ”

enlist them. I want to hear these advantages. Also, consoles are not the most popular choice. Xbox 360 and PS3 userbase is 140 million so far at best with Wii + 80-90m. Need I to remind how much PC’s sold each year and how much services it has like Steam, Battle.net that has millions of users?

I hear what your saying Manu. I like that I can still slap in NES, TG16, NeoGeo, Saturn, PS2 games and play them. But what I have been noticing is that my old systems have started to wear out. I just recently tossed out a PS2 and a Dreamcast. I can easily find replacments at this point. But will there be a day when replacing a Dreamcast is like replacing a Neo Geo AES(hundreds of usd)?

I don’t mind having my libary digitaly and in one place. I have learned that games are really about playing current games. I still like the retro stuff too like I said, but as much as I loved the Turbo Duo(TG16), I don’t play it very often. And truth be told, I would rather buy a WiiU HD version of the game or two that I do still actualy want to play from that system. I am ok with that.

But I can fully understand where you are coming from. Esp where you need a ISP to get to your games. If I had to suddenly go without my ISP for a long period of time, I would prolly have to go back a gen or so to play games. So much focus online, so much DLC, so many online checks, DRM checks, authenticators, etc…

Just kind of of the way it is nowadays.

@143 There are undoubtedly tonnes of great downloadable titles on XBLA, I won’t discount it that, but Microsoft have some utterly idiotic practices in places.

There have been dozens of horror stories by developers regarding the service – like the fact that Microsoft dictates the release date of games and not the publisher, the frustratingly long approval process, having to pay Microsoft exorbitant costs to patch games, etc, etc. The sales rarely justify the cost, and 9 times out 10, the stuff sells far better on PC anyway.

@144

That sounds unlike you bro, I thought you disliked all of the things you mention.
Apart from Call of Duty. Over 400 hours can’t be wrong.

@147, 400 or 500? You missed again. Maybe 300 already?

Ah and BTW “Poke Option” is brilliant though.

@148

Dude, you shouldn’t be ashamed your tesla rig can only run COD, lots of people love that game!

#144 Earthazus, theres some people that dont like the mouse and keyboard configuration for gaming, gamepads controllers even if they are less accurate, i dont know it because i never have been a PC gamer, but assuming the worst case escenario here, the gamepad is more comfortable, at least under the gaming glasses, i am really sick of mouse and keybord from work just to bring it to my favorite hooby too, for me it seems like a work an a core, i want that really far away from my hobby.

Besides that i dont want to check forums on the internet in order to solve any given issues with PC that arises during its use, i dont have the free time, i prefer plug and play something that consoles give, thats also why iam still buying CD, dvd for music and anime, i dont want to spend my time dowloading and finding what i need to do in order to do it, while i can do or enjoy my hobbies sitting in my couch bed playing games.

To sum things up theres a lot of valid reasons for people to not like or want gaming on PC and for that consoles are the better options, like i understand there is also the other side of the coin, people that the options of PC are more attractive, neither of which has to do with one of those groups being disabled people.

@148

400! Like you say in this post

http://www.vg247.com/2012/10/23/mw2-favela-map-edited-to-remove-offensive-material-returns-to-multiplayer/#comment-416716

I asked
“Bro, didn’t you play MW2 for like 400 hours?”
reply
“No bro, it was Black Ops. Your point?”