Kaz Hirai hints the PS4 will release after Xbox 720

A very good point Mr Hirai. However, that doesn’t really work when it comes to million-dollar hardware that takes months if not years to fabricate and roll out en masse.

Nobody really cares who’s first! – we just want our grubby paws on them already!

I doubt both consoles will release this year. I don’t think 22nm process will be widespread enough to produce enough chips for 2 mainstream consoles, something other hardware experts have told too, like DF.

@dragon. i agree. i just don’t see it happening this year. maybe nextbox. ps3 has so much yet in the pipeline. i think with all the exclusives the ps 3 will have enough steam for another year…for 360, i don’t know. if someone will release this year then it’s ms.
@deacon: i agree, i don’t think it matters that much who will be first.

Something better.

Yeah, that alredy happened with PS3:

1) Crappy Ram
2) Crappy processor
3) Crappy OS

Horrible ports… I’m not sure that releasing a next gen console after microsoft is a good idea unless you have a good strategy which in Sony’s part they don’t.

P.s. but they had giant enemy crab that is based on Japanse history with real-time weapon change for 599$

i honestly think sony is going to come in early 2014 like February in the US. at ces he said something about focusing on their strong markets like japan and europe when it comes to smartphones. i think they will probably launch first in europe this time around and then US and then japan. i see last in japan because they got tons of ps3 games coming this year and they can do a price drop and dominate the home console market for this year. they released a 12 gb model in europe first and no word yet on the us market. they could have relased a 179.99 12 gb model in the US during the holidays but i think they will do that for this year. this could stop people from importing systems from US at cheaper rates. these are all just wild a** guesses anyways.

+ After 1 year they can’t change system’s specs on the system that is basically this late in its development cycle.

So, he is just not ready to deliver the system.

That didnt work out so well last time around did it Kaz?

@erthazus

idk man the general consensus seems to be that sony with the ps4 is more gaming focused and is actually more powerful than the 720 at the moment with the rumored specs. of the 8gb ram that MS is coming out with they are apparently dedicating 3gb for the OS and 5 gb for gaming and that is ddr3 (slower ram). sony is coming out with 4gb gddr5(faster and more efficient) with 512mb dedicated for OS and the rest for gaming. with their first party studio output they can do a lot of excellent games with the rumored specs. we shall see what happens but I think kaz has been making a lot of good moves and cleaning house and getting sony back on track . people just need to give him some time.

with regards to comments about last time. last time they screwed up in multiple ways. price, a year late, blu ray , cell etc… this time off the shelf parts, better price, organized first party output by which i mean two games from their top studios alternate years. naughty dog one game a year, sony santa monica, sucker punch, mediamolecule, sony japan, evolution all these studios have been expanded to work on 2 games at a time.

If MS releases a moderately powered spec console that places alot of focus on tablet controllers, Kinect 2, and augmented reality glasses per their “leaked” specs, and Sony releases a very powerful system with standard controls and less gadgetry, I think Sony would do very well.

If Sony releases a moderately more powerful machine that attempts to do what MS is doing, then Sony will fail.

Many people just want the most powerful and best looking system with the best games and less reliance on gadgets and gimmicks, and If Sony’s console has the cool factor, it can win.

Proving what? That the rumours about 1.84tf and so on are completely unfounded and premature. Hold onto your hats.

@8and9
+100k
Just give a gaming console at an attractive rate with no gimmicks and they are ready to go.

^ Like PS Move, PS eye toy, right?

Lol. fanboys

@11: you mean like the wiiu? cuz’ the tablet is not a gimmick at all. it’s one of the truest, purest gaming machines i own. wiiu and 3ds.

Wow, talking about Sony singing a different tune. Suddenly realised they can’t magic up a worldwide ship in Sepetember now? Ah, realism prevails.

@8 & 9: Sony owes a lot of their traction to being a cheap DVD player with the PS2 and a cheap Blu-Ray player with the PS3, so don’t think for an instant that they’re going to be purely focused on hardcore videogames players when it was features that appealed to the mass-market that helped them gain traction with such a large audience.

Also, none of the first-parties actually care about “gamers” – they can leave catering to our needs to third-party publishers while they chase after the Apple TV, TiVo and Sky Box audiences. As divisions of their respective parent companies, they have to demonstrate growth, not quality. This is not speculation, this is what’s actually happening.

Fucking platform fanboys…

@erth maybe its a good thing move and eyetoy failed:P they prolly wont include it in the next system. nintendo had the same issue and that is to figure out a way to get the people that got a wii to come back and also get the hardcore to come back and i don’t think they really set themselves up well with the wii u but we shall see as they can never be counted out. microsoft with the relative success of kinect and the focus on taking on apple might do something to please everybody and may fail or succeed depending on what they come up with. it is going to be an exciting year to see which direction everybody goes.

People need to remember that we know absolutely NOTHING concrete about next gen. It’s all speculation.

#12 made me lol.

I think this isn’t so much a mistake as I think they don’t have a choice. I think starting late didn’t help Sony last time, especially at the price point they launched at.

And this time around price is going to be a huge factor, I think they both know (or should know) that. I’m not sure many people other than the hardcore Sony fans will hold out for the PS4 if MS release a well-priced, well spec’d machine.

@12
Exactly. But an anti pc elitist add on will be welcome. Pc overlord.
@13
I was referring to motion controls. As I said , 2 screen still has a lot to prove, but its still way better than motion. Although I would take a better cpu,gpu anyday over such a controller which will lead to unreasonable jacking up of prices.
Picture this, no 3rd party controllers. I want ALL games to support DS3/4, with anything else just add on extra.

@17
I agree. They have to be on heels of 720, but I wonder why we hear mostly about ps4 specs than 720s, I know sony is the leakiest cos in existence, but keeping hardware secrets isn’t easy. Something tells me Kaz is bluffing.

@16: CORRECTION: *You* know absolutely nothing about next gen.

Bad move IMO.

The will be a huge unveiling of Nintendo stuff at e3, maybe a price drop when PS4 hits.

3DS will continue to build user base, Nintendo may even have a new handheld or tablet ready in 2014? Who knows.

MS almost certainly will be holding exclusives back this gen for 720. It’s infrastructure is nice and solid, Smart Glass is already a ‘thing’ and the media side of Xbox was worked out at E3 2 years ago while Sony was busy with expensive exclusives late into the generation. Again, a bad move.

Again, Kinect will have been polished to something half usable this time and it will be packaged in.

MS are likely to show some MMO stuff which will be a big thing for consoles players next gen.

This should put the PS4 launch right in front of Halo 5, a Wii U price drop and potentially Zelda U and Mario 3D U and Smash Brothers and maybe even a new Nintendo handheld depending how late the reveal is.

Also Ms will almost certainly announce some kind of COD exclusive deal.

Classic Sony lol

At least we have 4K to look forward to, I can’t wait to watch Amazing Spider-Man 2 on my $10000 TV on my PS4!!! Yay!

@gheritt white
what are they going to do beyond blu ray? the next step is digital and 4k and those don’t need any kind of hardware to be integrated into the ps4 which can add additional costs. they will probably try to push some 4k content but i don’t see that as an issue as blu ray was when it first came out and was ridiculously expensive to produce and lost money for sony.

“Also, none of the first-parties actually care about “gamers” – they can leave catering to our needs to third-party publishers while they chase after the Apple TV, TiVo and Sky Box audiences”

wth do you mean by this lol? do you expect their top tier studios to suddenly stop making games like uncharted, killzone, infamous and most of their studios are supposedly working on new ips as well. theyhave a couple of studios dedicated to make casual games like sony london with their sing part, eyetoy etc.. and maybe media molecule will do something too but i don’t know where you are going with that comment.

Oh get on with it…

Socially adequate anti-nerdy commenters posting 24/6 as usual…

Sorry, I’m ignoring them.

@monkey gourmet from early last year
“wii u will be sold out everywhere this holiday, no one will be able to find one and everybody will be talking about wii u”

don’t count anybody out until the fat lady has sung

So they will wait till next Xbox announcement and they will start making next PS then? Yeah, sure :X

@24

Yea that didn’t work out so well as Nintendo may have hoped for. Anyway the Wii U is an ok system at the moment, nothing special to talk about yet.

@24

I blame the price.

I think Nintendo have pulled a 3DS with the Wii U.

Sell to early adopters, like me, then wait for new consoles to be announced and drop the price.

Maybe offer some free games from the VC store which they haven’t set up yet.

It’s exactly what happened when the Vita came out and it seemed to work quite well then?

Who knows, lucky it’s not my only console eh?

Also, everyone HAS been talking about Wii U, they’ve mostly been saying how shit it is lol

The best thing Sony could do with being late is managing to pack in a PS Vita into the console as another control pad.

That would maybe solve a few of their issues.

If Sony can court Square for FF7 remake, that may be a good start aswell.

Knowing Sony’s luck though, that’s prob what MS has done to try and win Japan lol.

i think building kinect in could put some gamers off buying the new xbox.

Does he reeeeeeeally think that MS don’t know EXACTLY what Sony are doing with the PS4 by now!?

this means one thing… sony can change hw on the ps4 on the fly. so when crapbox being released. sony can just put in more ram or bigger cpu as they see fit to beat mickey$oft

@30

Sony don’t even know yet!

@31

Their using a Celleron CPU, it’s crazy good

@monkeygourmet
but is is really a good idea to be doing massive price drops within a year of release? sure you can say it worked for 3ds but the more you keep playing that card the more people will stop buying the console at launch and lose trust in them. wii u is a cool console with a cool idea but i just don’t think it is going to strike gold like the wii this time around. i personally think it will go the way of the gamecube where it would satisfy the crowd that likes their games and sell decent unless third parties make an u turn and start supporting the thing and put all their games on it but i don’t see that happening once next gen systems comes out.

@gigahurtz it is possible only the big publishers like ubisoft, ea activision etc.. may have dev kits which are ball park but not EXACTLY what is in the PS4 . only their internal studios will know what it might end up being.

This is getting ridiculous. The amount of haters is unbelievable! Can’t some of you just hold your breath for a second and think that there are better things in life than just write useless, filled with hatred comments on a gaming website? Play a game. Feed your pets. Just do something.

If you don’t like something, say it once or twice, not a hundred times. It’s just a goddamn company, for fuck’s sake! It’s like they’re torturing some of you in the basement while burning your cattail house down.

These “fanboy wars” are going nowhere, I swear.

I predict another 100+ comments. *sigh*

@34

Of course, I feel the same way at the moment although it is my favourite console.

I own both Wii U and eventually have PS4 for exclusives. 720 will be my main console, same as this gen.

Thing is Sony HAVE to get the PS4 bang on. There is literally no room for fuck ups, Nintendo and MS are a bit more lucky in that respect.

If Nintendo was losing a shitload on Wii U consoles at launch maybe it would be different.

Will the die-hard Sony fans be able to keep Sony afloat if they don’t nail the PS4 from the off?

Gonna be fun finding out!

@35

It’s just fun speculation dude.

I’m playing Tales of Vesperia on 360 right now, my girlfriend is playing a pre-release copy of Ni No Kuni on PS3, no haters here!

If the PS4 is due this year, or even next, that would mean that launch games will had to have been in development since last year at the very latest.

The usual suspects, EA, Ubisoft, Activision, et al, will almost certainly have had dev kits for a good while now. All it takes is for some MS rep to have a quiet, off the record, lunch with anyone who’s working with one, to know what’s inside it, and what tech Sony is pushing.

Exactly the same the other way around, too.

@30, “Does he reeeeeeeally think that MS don’t know EXACTLY what Sony are doing with the PS4 by now!?”

and why do you think they know about it?

@37 This wasn’t aimed solely at you mate. But seriously, you just can’t get on this website these days without getting your daily ration of Sony hatred. Or another “crappy hardwarez, crappy RAM, my powerhouse $20000 PC whit 4K resoluti0n owning diz shit day1, sony fail crap” comment.

@35 Why does that surprise you though? This has literally repeated itself a billion times both here and across the internet.

Personally I remember having vicious arguments about SEGA versus NINTENDO, but those were righteous and true and totally worth doing, because I was 7 at the time, and we were in elementary school.

Really though, fuck the SNES.

“Thing is Sony HAVE to get the PS4 bang on. There is literally no room for fuck ups, Nintendo and MS are a bit more lucky in that respect.”

idk about this. with the huge screw up sony still managed to bring ps3 back up and it might end up being the best selling console worldwide this gen before it is discontinued. they don’t HAVE to be bang on is what am saying. with a reasonable price and decent os combined with their first party output they can still do very well and maybe better this time around.

@41 Haha . I know it shouldn’t surprise me, but really man… It’s like being protected by a screen gives you the right to be a dick. We don’t even know the specs (or anything, really) of this thing and people start to predict it’s horrible and painful death. After they label each other as fanbois, of course.

I bet your elementary school arguments were more mature like the ones going on here.

@43

I was going make a thread and try and buildup all the rumour stuff I could find about next gen, kind of group it into one place.

Then I got high… …joke…

For some reason I find Sony infuriating as a company.

I think they are arrogant and show a typically Japanese attitude to business. The west has moved on, just because Japanese companies and games used to rule doesn’t mean this is still the case.

Western game devs are getting much better and Jap devs are stuck in the past although we do see occasional flashes of brilliance. I see those mainly from Nintendos gameplay however, yet to be beaten.

I just find Sony arrogant and stuck in there ways like an old feudal warlord failing to except new tactics.

@34:

You can’t develop launch titles on a dev kit that isn’t 100% finalised.

@ 21: I’m just saying it’s not their focus as business units. Sure, it’s the focus for the Exec Producer liaising with that particular dev studio, but for everyone else at Sony it’s about ecosystem integration.

Surely you don’t believe Sony’s western dev studios have a say in console hardware strategy, or am I really that out of touch with the community?

Here is the truth – the truth is the future lies in platforms, but not as we know it. The platforms of the future are PSN (…although I personally have my doubts, albeit born out of prejudice), Xbox LIVE (or whatever it morphs into), Steam and the Apple App Store. Google desperately need a unified store front for Android for a familiar, unified experience across multiple different devices, something all the other stores offer.

These platforms, by 2020, will be hardware independent (…apart from Apple’s) and being a fanboy for them will make as much sense as being a fanboy for Netflix or LoveFilm.

The only company who are truly fucked are Nintendo, but I sense there is greater momentum behind Microsoft’s efforts this time round than Sony’s. They’re certainly being a lot more realistic about their timelines.

Oh, the AR glasses aren’t for year one, but everyone knows that now anyway.

@42

I hope so, they need to stop flogging their ‘dead horse’ of a business model IMO.

Also stop shilling their shitty media formats with their consoles that do nothing for gaming.

Then I may change my perspective.

Also, did you say Sony and OS in the same sentence?!

Ug!

@45: Not true – how do you expect games to be ready by September/October, otherwise? Most of this gen’s launch line-up was built on in-dev hardware.

@46 Spot on, except for the hardware independent thing.

If the last 100 years of business management has proven anything, it’s that being anti-democratic and willfully ignoring progress helps profits.

My case and point would be internet in America. A bunch of corporations swoop in to buy up all the infrastructure so they can demand utterly outrageous and completely unrealistic prices for its use, without even offering a decent or modern product.

People are still being offered 56k lines, and the prices are as high as a highpowered cable connection in the EU.

It’s bad for an entire society, but it essentially gives them a license to print money.

@39: Both first-parties will have known what’s in each others consoles for quite some time now. Dev kits have been floating around for bloody ages, although they need to do is visit a studio, grease a few palms and go “off the record”. That’s even before you get into corporate espionage, which is a real thing.