Showtime: PS4 rumoured at 1.84TF, Xbox 720 at 1.23TF

MS is indeed in a much better position. After Windows 8 sales success (let’s not talk about it’s quality. MS made tons of money), their gaming division should receive the best support as possible from big 3.

I don’t see Sony keeping up in next gen area with Microsoft in hardware, OS or Software.

Some people say that their gaming division has an advantage, but that is subjective. For example my favourite games from Sony are inFamous series and Uncharted. It’s their first party titles, but infamous didn’t sell well and Uncharted is the only game that did well + GT5 as their system seller.

Remember PS Vita? That thing launched with Uncharted:GA and no one bought the system and Uncharted was a good handheld quality game.

What’s left for Sony? Killzone? Shitty shooter and okay sales. PASBR? Failure. MAG? 1 million sales and poor reviews and etc. Their gaming division is not that great to be honest (compare Sony’s division with Take 2/Ubisoft or EA in terms of sales and you can see the picture) and i’m not sure about third party support. They just don’t have money to do that.

and what Sony can do actually? Metal Gear Solid 4 was their trump card third party support that worked very well and sold really great. What now? Hideo Kojima makes games for both consoles. Remember E3 2008? Microsoft ensured that future Metal Gear Solid titles will come to XBOX too. Final Fantasy? It’s coming for XBOX too FFXIII Versus is a vaporware and maybe will be released in PS4 as a launch title.

Sony can’t keep up. There is nothing that they can do. They are weaker then ever. They should retire and make games for all platforms like EA and others. It’s not going to be costly for them.

@150 Maybe, But I think gaming consoles in the traditional sense are just at the end of their journey, next-gen might very well be the last gen of traditional gaming machines. I think in a 5 to 10 year cycle, we wont need expensive topnotch gaming machines to run our games for us. We are heading toward an “on-demand services” kind of future if the acquisition of Gaikai and On-Live are any indication. Future consoles can be small boxes like Steam box and SHIELD that don’t really need demanding technology in them to run our games. It’s just the latency and the way of content delivery that are posing challenges to overcome.

@152

Of course you are right.

But it comes down to who’s got the big bucks and service power to fund this gaming and media change…

@151
I don’t know what makes everyone believe that Sony won’t be able to keep moving. GT5 had some “dissapointed” reviews-Is there a single game with which some people aren’t disappointed?-But it moved close to 10 million copies. Then UC3 has sold really well and some other examples.PS3 is selling as well as X360(if not better,as in EU)so I’m sure they have enough money to keep up with MS.
And regarding Sony’s gaming division,It is simply great and only occasionally beaten by Ninty. Micro has Forza,Halo and Gears and that’s it. Sony has LBP,GoW,Uncharted,Killzone,GT,Resistance and so on.

I feel like most people haven’t fully read the article, but if M$ really uses almost 3GB ram out of 8GB for gaming you can’t just go ahead and compare 8 to 4, you compare 5 to 3, which is a whole other level. (Also raises the question what kinda bloated OS they use, Vista? XD)

Lets not forget that the whole OS, security, “apps” also need CPU Power etc and if that Aspect is just as bloated as their Ram usage, then that 50% difference MIGHT (big might here people) become quite a lot bigger than 50%.

Obviously without official Specs all we all do here is taking shots at the dark, but ye there’s more than just your available RAM.

@154,
“I don’t know what makes everyone believe that Sony won’t be able to keep moving.”
Because they want to believe that, you know the make believe world.
At the end, cheaper console would have the advantage. If cramping more hardware results in costlier system, then that’s a mistake. Of course, I take all this with a pinch of salt.
One place where MS can beat sony is by taking more losses on hardware, although I don’t think it would be worthy enough to do that. 360 was cheaper than ps3, but still ps3 will take the lead. Sony must target 400$ or less (which they would do probably) and they have a very good chance of leading next-gen again.

@154

It’s funny really, I’ve never seen a generation where the fans and media wanted to see the demise of a console manufacturer. I lie, I think the same thing happened when the Gamecube was on the market. Anyway, it’s sad and pathetic when you really look at it.

I remember not to long ago, the media and the fans were writing-off Nintendo, because of the poor performance it did with the Gamecube and they didn’t even want to acknowledge the Wii and well……. we all seen how that turned out.

So in short, we will have to wait and see. You really can’t listen to a couple of dickheads that have no idea what they’re talking about, even if it’s the media. This is not a jab at you PG, but there’s entirely to many media outlets that spew pure nonsense, whether it be about MS, Nintendo or Sony.

Guys this is just a rumor, so all these speculations and predictions are pointless.

since when windows 8 sales good… I consider windows 8, like vista…I would never put them on my PC.

I really doubt about the xbox gpu 8xxx series. This is fake, as 8xxx series is not even out for the public yet and it will cost FULL retail for microsoft to use this gpu! they are not crazy. They will have to sell it for about 600-700 euro for about 2 years without a price drop… u mad?

The most extreme gpu, ms and sony may use, is 6xxx series.

This is all just speculation anyways, why do people get up in arms over rumored tech specs and sheets? Until something is officially announced none of this matters.

and even once it is announced, tech specs don’t win the game, power rarely wins in the console wars.

Im not trying to prove anyone wrong and I cant wait to get my new XBOX unit but lets not connect Win8 and the new system because Win8 is extremely far from successful. Microsoft themselves have been caught off guard with the lack of interest to the OS. This is what the analysts are saying:

Initial signs aren’t that favourable. Early numbers about PC sales show there hasn’t been any uptick since the launch of Windows 8 — in fact, sales have dropped considerably since the same period last year. And this is during the normally lucrative holiday sales season.

It’s way too early to use the word “flop” to describe Windows 8, but it’s pretty clear the new operating system for Windows machines isn’t performing as well as Microsoft would like. It’s a powerful interface, but it has a relatively steep learning curve, and the benefits — right now, with a limited app catalogue — are finite.

MS is not in a better position. They are very close cause MS has windows 8 and Sony just passed MS in console sales. But even then I like both in my opinion. The one thing that bothers me is that its said that The Durango has double memory for use, in truth it says that half is used for the system itself. So at the end it has one more gigabyte for gaming use.

@155, oh the irony.

Quote- “I feel like most people haven’t fully read the article, but if M$ really uses almost 3GB ram out of 8GB for gaming”

MS uses 3GB out of 8 for the OS, Sony uses 1 out of 4 for its OS leaving 3GB for gaming.

Sony said the PS3 was capable of 2.0 TFLOPS, twice the power of Xbox 360 which was supposedly rated at 1.0 TFLOPS, that’s double the TFLOP performance, but did games look 2x better on PS3? actually most of the time the 360 outperformed the PS3 with the most demanding engine of all time “Cysis” doing better on 360.

Conclusion, TFLOP performance means very little. Imo, Ram is very important, imagine what developers could do with the old 360 if they had more ram, their no. 1 complaint. Anyone following console history knows that Ram has Always been the problem in the long run.

#163 That is BS. Neither the 360 or PS3 are capable of 1 TFLOP. Epic games put the 360 at 250 GFLOPS as in giga when they presented whats the minimum for UE4.