DmC: Devil May Cry “fans” are a crying shame

@ 42 : I don’t agree.
While reading the article, all I could see was the writer putting extreme examples (heck, the “death threat” part is even in a huge freaking box, sensationalism “journalism” all the way), adding downgrading stereotypes altogether, then saying that “the game is great” AND implying that if you don’t agree, then you are just part of the upper-mentioned category.

If you don’t agree with me then you’re just a “sexist; racist; homophobic; reactionary; unable to spell; almost exclusively male; hasn’t read a book since See Spot Run; probably dramatically under-equipped in the genital department; incapable of basic self-care like hygiene, cooking and housework; and covered in Cheeto dust”.

Brilliant. Seriously, I’ve seen VERY good written articles here from the different members of VG247, including brilliant pieces from Brenna… but this is probably the poorest one of all.

@Dave

I admit i’ve tried the demo only.

But the point of a demo is to suck people in not magnify things they were already worried about.

Remember, you got this game for free or atleast review copy (guess?), forking out £40 in the hope it gets better is tricky for some people.

Alot may wish to pick it up second hand, something that may not be possible next gen!

@49 the old games were camp, embarrassingly trying to be cool and tw dialogue was atrocious. I loved the games but even I could see that. If you can’t then you need to reassess them properly.

@48 fihar then you played Onimusha “wrong” (as in not efficient, there is actually no playing a game wrong) because in Onimusha you get more “points” or are rewarded for samurai styled gameplay meaning that the one-hit-/critical-slash move gets the most out of the game. It actually the exact opposite of DMC stylish-fighting style.

@52 if I didn’t I’d still buy it as I love the series. Free or not that doesn’t affect my objectivity one bit. Any game journalist worth their name knows that.

Devs have put out shit demos before and I think DmC and Bayonetta fall into that group. No one should make a full assumption on an entire game based on a demo. No one, for any game.

@54 I’d like an Onimisha hd collection. I’d buy that day one. Those games were superb.

@46 “If we don’t keep our minds open then the industry is fucked.” I agree, but we shouldn’t take something that is shit with a smile, or they’ll think people want it. As of right now, some people don’t want this, and they have to scream about it because people are too fucking dense to stick their heads out of their rotting assholes, so fucking deal with it. Disregarding how half of what you said is more about yourself and what you think (which personally, I could give a fuck about what you think and how YOU wanted this reboot or any other bullshit you typed)go fuck yourself

I’ve seen your game and it has some of the worst dialogue I’ve ever seen, it wouldn’t be so bad if the protagonist and everyone around him weren’t trying to be cool and failing miserably.

It’s surrounded by mediocre hack and slash gameplay that mocks the old devil may cry system, which anyone can say is AMAZEBALLS LOOK AT MY SSS COMBO if they haven’t played any decent hack and slash games before(which is probably your case, if you like this game).

This article is shit. you and all the other reviewers for shit websites that pretend to care about having standards need to play your awful game before talking about it, because it’s just another garbage game to hide in a collection or to sell as soon as it’s over.

I’m not a Devil May cry fan but please, all this crying about what you think fans are crying about when you don’t even care that their series is being shit on is really selfish and disgusting.

@56 I played them not long ago on ps2 they still look good (except for some close up shots). Some games just don’t need a HD remake just to make them play.

It seems to me that people “complaining” over “old” graphics make them look like people “complaining” over different dyed hair.

Everytime a HD collection is announced I rather just see a PSN/XBLA re-release

@57 thanks for just proving my point by dropping expletives and being a dick.

Who’s taking shit with a smile? It’s not a shit game. Objectively it is not a shit game. The vocal minority is just that a minority. Everyone else will buy the game and enjoy. Why would you deny them that?

@58 couldn’t be further off the mark mate. Sorry.

It’s very easy, with the benefit of having enjoyed access to the full game to pull an “I told you so”. Resist the urge. It helps no-one. I find a pretty good gauge for whether or not a game’s worth playing is that faithful litmus test: Would I buy a copy of this. Am I confident that it’s worth buying? If I pick a bad one, and it happened once or twice, that’s on me. Not since seeing DMC for the first time have I reckoned it likely to be a bad game.

“it’s becoming apparent that the majority of internet games commenters ( is that a better label?) are so small c conservative that the creative drive is being beaten out of the industry. ”

…While I don’t argue against what you said, the vocal minority is regularly referred to by games creators. Are they really going to be the ones with as much push? In accepting that games is an industry that supports business, and those businesses seek the greatest audience (typically), don’t we also need to consider that that “great audience” must be influencing the decision makers, by their mere presence and interest?
Also, it’s getting difficult to use sweeping terms like “the industry”, because, apps and digital platforms are leaving things at a place where there hasn’t BEEN as great an evident creative drive nor the outlet for it to get these games to players for a very long time. Part of the industry is in decline, but figures make it abundantly clear that other areas, newer delivery methods show steady growth. That’s how change happens. Given the drive to digital that has become increasingly prevalent, it was no unlikely result that retail would falter and begin to trail off…MP3 vs CD, anyone?

What ever the crying “fans” say, just please keep in mind:

What if this wasn’t even made?

Whould that be so much better? Seriously, everyone like it who didn’t wanted to compare it side by side to a 10 years old self of the title. I understand that you might not like the absence of target button, I understand that you might not like that you have to get to a DMD equivalent difficulty to feel challenged, but does this mean that this is a bad game?

Does the plot really not mean ANYTHING to you guys, or that no matter how not exactly the same the combat mechanics are they are still pretty good?

FFS even Jim@Destructiond gave it a 9/10….

@46 Dave I hear ya, you needed change, and you got it, there also a lot of people who didn’t want that drastically of a change. At least not to Dante himself, yet, you got what you wanted but it’s not pleasing enough so there comes a need to call people out and brand them with names, that I find unacceptable.

No one is saying you’re taking bribes for your conduct, if anything I’m one of the guys who always praised your work and level of professionalism clearly shown in them. And Brenna’s too, but this article, this ‘one’ article, even though has a some level of truth to it, went on and basically called out everyone who didn’t like the changes branded them imbeciles who need to grow up and go out some more. Tell me honestly if you don’t see a flaw in the logic that this article presents.

A lot of people like these changes, good for them, and a lot of others don’t. People will always complain, it’s part of the set of rights that comes with the freedom of speech. Some are opinionated, some are even rude, some make good points why they think how they think and why they like or dislike. Are we going to put them all in the same bag and club em?

Calling Heavenly Sword and Enslaved ”excellent”. LULZ

@60 “Objectively it is not a shit game.” Do you even know what that word means? Because that isn’t a valid point.

All I’m gathering from this article is “How dare Devil May Cry fans have an opinion different from mine!” Ninja Theory took a franchise with a devoted fanbase, gutted it for all it was worth, repeatedly insulted said fanbase and the original games, and spit out an average action game that barely resembles its namesake. Yet we’re expected to sit back and take it? No thanks. This continuing trend in games journalism that any fan complaints are invalid and should be ignored is disgusting and needs to step the fuck off. I don’t even know why I dare share my dissenting opinion, because by doing so I’ve apparently outed myself as “sexist; racist; homophobic; reactionary; unable to spell; almost exclusively male; hasn’t read a book since See Spot Run; probably dramatically under-equipped in the genital department; incapable of basic self-care like hygiene, cooking and housework; and covered in Cheeto dust.”

Is this what passes for journalism nowadays? Calling everyone who disagrees with you an awful person within the first paragraphs of your article, and ignoring criticism?

DmC fans are infamous because of this.
great article by the way.
i can really understand if people are upset about how a new sonic game turned out, or not feeling halo 4, or not feeling the new DmC game. What stinks is: bashing, hating, calling it a bad game per se. things change. get over it. you might be sad about some changes, others might embrace them. that´s just life. noone is taking the old games away from you.

@66 It isn’t a shit (video) game. He right on that behalf.

It’s just a bad DMC with “deeper” story and at the same time lacks the same in combat with the damage meter being the worst part of the game besides those “Fuck you, middle finger” from NT to the “fans” with some references.

Actually quite the same with Res6.

AS Devil May Cry it fails but as a video game it hails.

Okay this is one of the worst articles I have ever read, now another look at those called ” vocal minorities keen to espouse their insanity and ignorance. According to this measure, the “gamer” kind is sexist; racist; homophobic; reactionary; unable to spell; almost exclusively male; hasn’t read a book since See Spot Run; probably dramatically under-equipped in the genital department; incapable of basic self-care like hygiene, cooking and housework; and covered in Cheeto dust.”

Didn’t these people complain about how awful Ninja Gaiden 3 looked, and it turned out shit and didn’t sell good ?!, didn’t they complain about how Resident Evil went the wrong road, and RE6 just came out to be another shitty game that is not close to Survival Horror at all ?!, didn’t they complain about Ghost Recon Future Soldier, and the game is mediocre at best leaving alot to be desired ?!, didn’t they complain about Splinter Cell, and now we are getting Blacklist with a young awful voice actor, a young Sam Fisher, tons of explosions and cinematic ?!, aren’t they the ones who hated the change of OverStrike, and now we are getting another brown serious military like shooter ?!, I think these people know what they are talking about.

Also don’t you remember how insomniac gave Cole a different look in inFamous 2, but the fans complained and they changed him back to WHO he actually was ?!, so yeah dedicated fans who care about their franchises matter.

@66 you make yourself sound dumber by the comment mate

Over entitled pricks

@64 hey thanks good rely. Nah I wasn’t suing that people were accusing me of taking a bribe, jut responding to Brenna’s link to twitter – the guys who said every site has taken a bribe. It’s insane.

#51 orakaa & #64 GwynbleiddiuM make some very valid points about how awful this article is.

@70 Nah man, can’t you see dedicated fans who call developers on their mistakes or dare to complain about their artistic vision need to be stamped out. Everyone should just accept everything pushed at them and should never, ever have an opinion counter to what the publishers want. Because that’s how we get good games and not just dumbed down shovelware, clearly.

@74

And ye’re all proving the point of the article by being cunts.

@75

There’s a difference between saying “Hmm, not wild about this new direction, but I can see your point” and “THIS IS THE WORST GAME EVER YOU HAVE RUINED MY FAVOURITE SERIES AND MY LIFE”.

@70 although a movie series but you forgot star wars.

This is a game where the protagonist shoots a pregnant woman in the stomach. Then while she is clutching the wound and screaming in agony and despair, he shoots her in the head while grinning. Later on in the game, Dante tells the father of the child how much he enjoyed watching the unborn baby “explode into wet chunks”.

Is this REALLY a game that you should be defending? Look deep down inside yourself and think about that.

@76 The thing is these articles tend to lump any sort of criticism, no matter how subdued, in with the “WORST GAME EVER HOW DARE YOU” camp. If you dare announce your distaste you’re one of them, and are clearly an awful person who needs to be ignored.

Seriously?
…..
Ok first of all the people who are complaining about DMC basically are the real gamers of DMC, there the ones who still play the older games to this very day and from what ive read on the Capcom forums is that pretty much all of them hate the combat saying its “easier and slow and sluggish”. Also why the fuck is every critic still talking about dantes hair? Did you even go on the capcom forums or anything? Seriously where did you base devil may crys hardcore fans from? No one has ever cried about dantes hair since the gameplay trailer, im not even a DMC fan but this article is just full of shit, makes you just as bad as the people who dont like the game, what happened to listening to peoples opinions? yous have been arse licking this game for awhile now but this is just ridiculous

#78 Wasn’t that woman a demon? If yes thanks for the spoilers

What I don’t get is why articles like this have to exist. You like a game. Other people don’t. Why is it necessary to try to push a game so much that you’d write an article insulting anyone who doesn’t like it? Why the need to push so much to try to create peer pressure on those who would have rather they respected the old series?

There was nothing wrong with the old way the series was. There were plenty of mysteries to still be solved and plenty of places for the story to go. There was nothing wrong with old school Dante, except that Keiji Inafune was going through his, “I hate everything Japanese” phase when he commissioned Ninja Theory to work on this. If they were determined to give this game to Ninja Theory, there were two ways they could have done this. They could have made it its own IP, which would have been fine. Or they could have made it more respectful to the original games and kept the combat the way it should be as well as keeping within the respected canon.

The gameplay and story of DMC4 were fine. The only problem the title had was they didn’t design levels or bosses for Dante’s gameplay, instead making you replay Nero’s backwards, which is just lazy design, but not enough to warrant rebooting the series.

To say that it’s just about his hairstyle is childish. Just as childish as people who sent death threats.

This article is basically an attempt at bullying people into pretending they like something they don’t and I think that’s a tad dangerous. You like it. Fine. Enjoy it. Others don’t. We have that right.

And if the demo is not a good representation of what the full game is, then they shouldn’t have put out that demo. They should lose sales over that. With the amount of hate this game was getting, you’d think they’d want to release a demo that would silence everyone with something critical to say. Meanwhile, all the Youtube videos I’ve seen of the full game have done nothing to convince me otherwise, especially the slowness and ease of the final boss battle compared to its counterpart in DMC3.

I’m not sure why you guys don’t realize you’re just creating an even bigger backlash with this sort of attitude.

This is what passes as journalism these days? You must be having a giggle. It looks like it was written by a whiny child.

Straw man arguments, implications of gamer entitlement, flat-out insults. Glad you didn’t forget Grow the fuck up in italics for extra maturity.

Also, while I don’t think you guys were paid off to write positively about the game, articles like this will certainly do nothing to calm down those who do believe such things. In fact, I can see this article being used by such conspiracy theorists in the near future.

I think the crux of this whole thing is people can be negative if they want, but there’s no need to be so fucking vocal about it. Even now, people are complaining. The game is out, there’s nothing you can do, just shut up, please, you’ll improve the experience for the rest of us.

@79

It’s hard to differentiate measured criticism from the blind fanboy bullshit. Sorry
I think it’s the entitled aspect that gets to me (which is the foundation of the majority of complaints) – why should developers ever listen to fans? Surely they should/be allowed to make the game they want to make?

@80

Jesus christ, so what if the new game is different. If you love the old one so much, keep playing that. Nobody’s fucking forcing you to play the new one are they.

@82 nailed it, this site is getting abit tardy for my liking, first yous accuse tombraider for having a rape scene when the only evidence yous had was a guy having his hand over laras face and now this.

@85 – I just wish Capcom had done what Sucker Punch did with Infamous 2, where there was a very vocal outcry from the fans on the redesign of Cole. They realized that their salaries came from our sales and fixed things. The negative fan opinion immediately disappeared and fans gladly bought the new game, knowing full well that Sucker Punch respected their fanbase enough to listen to them.

Here, the fanbase were mocked by the developers, who showed a “We know better than you do” attitude with the people who they were expecting to buy their game. How could people not be up in arms about that?

Great, great article!

In fact, so good that make me reactivate my account after 2 years withou writing a single word here.

The ammount of shit DmC is receiving is just absurd. It´s a very nice game and should be judged by what it is and not by not having an stupid white haired Dante ffs!

I’ve never played a DMC game so I have no opinion about the changes one way or another.

However, concerning the article at hand, I think it was pretty clearly meant to be funny, (I laughed) and in no way insulted gamers or DMC fans as a whole. That would be absurd.

The main point I took away from it is that criticism is fine, but when it descends to toxic-death-threat-levels, it makes us all look bad.

@85 hey like i said im not a fan of DMC, i will be getting the new game but what criticizing was the article for insulting people for not liking the new game

When this comes to PC I’ll buy it and criticize the hell out of all the people who said that it’s good if it wasn’t. Until then, I shut my mouth and wait till I can form a VALID conclusion.

See the difference here?

Metroid : Other M is an “objectively” good game. It reviewed well from most of the major sources so why did people dislike it?

I question for the ages right there I think you’ll find. I guess it was because all those basement dwellers vocal minority hair colour words words words.

Yes that does indeed sound about right.

Same story as back then, when vg told the people how awesome dishonored is . And it works again, good work Dave and Brenna you sure got a lot of clicks with that

@85 Because the fans are the ones buying the games. While I’m not one who thinks developers should cave to every single one of their fan’s desires, sticking your fingers in your ears and only taking them out long enough to hear the praise is an awful way to go about things. Developers need to listen to and address criticisms, which Ninja Theory not only didn’t do here, they openly mocked and insulted anyone who spoke out against them while only addressing the most superficial of complaints in passive aggressive ways(such as Dante’s hair color). It’s also quite frustrating when a series you enjoy is given to a developer who’s shown incredible distaste for it, killing any chances of a proper sequel.

*claps hands* Bravo! Bis!

Just one point: “a single auteur“?

In DMC 1-4, the SSS combat rank is reserved for when the player is at their absolute best, dominating their foes with a hard earned mastery of the complex combat system. Engagements like that leave you breathless and amazed at yourself, sort of like how Neo must have felt in The Matrix.

In DmC, you can get the SSS combat rank with a single attack using the axe.

If you can’t see when DMC fans are disgusted with this new game, you really haven’t done your research (much less played the games in question).

@94

No, people who play games are the ones buying them. How many people who will buy DmC have ever posted on the internet, do you think? Developers only need to address criticism when it’s valid and when the game will be better for it. DmC has been getting good reviews so there’s no issue.

A sequel depends on sales, it has nothing to do with fan reaction.

@96

PROTIP: get over it. Go play the original games and pretend the new one doesn’t exist.

@ 85 : I don’t consider myself a die-hard DMC fan. Played DMC 1&2, enjoyed them a lot (okay, I preferred the first one) but what GwynbleiddiuM and I were trying to say relate to the article itself and the way it does nothing but try to “blame” or literally insult people who do not share the same taste on this game (by putting them in the same category as “death threateners”, racist, homophobic, etc.).

This is why I’ve posted comments on this article, otherwise, I would’nt have cared. I don’t like the new DmC, based on the demo and videos and it’s fine, I’ll just don’t buy it… but I don’t see why someone would say “well if YOU don’t like it, then it means that YOU’re stupid”.

Why don’t you like Other M?

It might be because you dislike its story direction and its new style, maybe its because they changed the character completely. Perhaps its the dis-owning of what came before, the removal of exploration and secret areas, maybe its because they changed the gameplay totally for the worse. Maybe.

Then I guess you should just shut up and get over it. They made what they wanted to make and you sure as hell better like it fucker. I bet you just dislike it because they gave Samus short hair.

I guess I must have missed all the passionate essays written about Other M when it first came out. I guess they all just slipped under my radar. Or perhaps none of them were ever written. Its “objectively” good though, the reviews completely back that up and its not as if paid games journalists have ever been wrong before about the quality of a game. So where was the Media outcry when Other M got torn to shreds.

Maybe it has something to do with Other M being developed by Team Ninja a Japanese development studio. N inja theory on the other hand was the Great White Hope of Western development showing the Japanese that they can beat them at their own game. We would’nt want them to fail now would we. Oh no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I4iFeNq8ClI&list=UUeE1WPqZHyo9W-au7tJkkog#t=163s