DmC: Devil May Cry “fans” are a crying shame

@547 Are you still going with this? Seriously?

Hillier’s comments were not “hip” or appealing to the new generation. They were absent of any knowledge of the audience she was addressing. If she feels that way about gamers then she should grow the ##@$% up and go write reviews about something else, quit or be fired – my vote is be fired. She shows a total insensitivity to the gaming culture, and probably doesn’t believe there IS or should be such a culture. She shows total disregard for the opinions of gamers, no objectivity and seems to be filled ti the brim with bias and “hater-ade”. She certainly showed her a$$ in that article, and she should be sent out the door. I’m not even addressing her review, because everything she said was pathetically ill informed and lacked any type of depth. The only game play she probably got was at the demo booth, and has no business reviewing games – she does VG24/7 a great dis-service, and they need all the help they can get – it’s not like gamers are clamoring to go to them for gaming advice in the first place… and now we can see why.

@547: VERY interesting article, and on par with MANY opinions here, including mine.

@549: Ok… well, how about you, by responding here: “still going with this” as well? “Really”?
This article was released yesterday on Forbes about this subject on some of the very points raised in the comments, the exact points that you didn’t acknowledge when you were defending Brenna.

You can dislike the article but at least it is respectful and well written… and not an open insult letter/flame bait article…

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/22/upset-dmc-fans-are-entitled-because-thats-what-we-call-people-who-complain-about-video-games/

finally, someone calls out your bullshit

Erik Kain is awesome and he is in no way calling Brenna out.

Hes just going over the article and creating a reasoned, critical response.

@549 Michael
What’s wrong with it? It’s a recent article that offers a good analysis in relation to this one. It doesn’t come off as trollish and immature by throwing out insults like another article I know does.

That’s actually a really intelligent response to this article, as opposed to some of the “she’s a cunt” responses I’ve seen in these comments. He has a very good point, though, and I thought it was pretty brave for a member of the press to move out from behind the “Let’s all defend DmC” shield.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/22/upset-dmc-fans-are-entitled-because-thats-what-we-call-people-who-complain-about-video-games/

Read it and weep. Your argument is so full of holes and fallacies that another professional is calling you out.

Erik Kain is the hero that video game journalism deserves. Just because there are jerks crying death threats and calling you names, doesn’t mean you have to stoop to their level or that everyone who hates DmC hates it for a selfish reason such as Donte’s Hair.

“I was never a huge Devil May Cry fan, so this new reboot hasn’t really ruffled my feathers despite its obvious shortcomings.”

What obvious shortcomings?

@557
He discussed them in his article where he reviewed the game, on part 2 he said he’ll discuss the game play.

This article neatly summarised why I wouldn’t be caught dead reading a video games magazine in public.

This whole article is a crying shame. It would suit perfectly as someone’s Tumblr post, because thats what the angry people do now a days. But not here on VG247. They actually get paid to spill their hate in the form of an article, where they tell everyone to shut up.

@558: Yeah, i actually read it. He’s not winning me over with comments like this:

“Really, though, it’s Dante’s entire, smirking, pretty-boy persona that just irritates me to no end. Dante used to have a certain class that’s missing here. Frat-boy Dante is not just less interesting, he’s a drag to spend time with. The awful one-liners and sad attempts to be constantly cool remind me of people I actively disliked when I was younger.”

Sounds like an oblivious fanboy alright. Which ultimately disqualifies his whole article.

Anyway, what saddens me is how people spin the whole story and make the fans the poor lads who have to suffer from all the harassment and insults by CAPCOM and NT.

Yeah, i bet Tameem woke up one day and said to himself: From this day forth, i’ll insult as many DMC fans as possible.

No. No, that’s not what happened. It was personal attacks from day-one. One teaser alone was enough to attack him, Ninja Theory and their achievements. It never stopped.

And people are surprised why NT didn’t try to reach out more to those fans? Oh how could they, they should be thankful to be insulted by such a LOYAL Fanbase. The fanbase has nothing but themselves to blame, that NT, Capcom or Tameem reacted the way they did. Which I still think is nothing but calm, compared to the shit they had to listen to.

“In the internet age, we’re privy to all the most ludicrous actions of the vocal minority in every realm of life, but that doesn’t mean that anyone upset with this game is just an “entitled” crybaby giving gamers a bad name.”

My thoughts exactly and this was the reason why I bothered myself with this article in the first place, good job Erik Kain.

You know what filled my dark soul with light?

When I went to pick up Ni No Kuni the other day from Gamestop and there were 20, 25 pre-order copies of the game waiting for people to pick up, and meanwhile, behind the counter was almost the exact same amount of DmC copies that had been there when I had picked up the DMC HD Collection the week before.

I asked them how many they sold in the week since. They said they had sold one copy on PS3 and none on the 360 yet. That made me feel good.

@563: Because you’re a despicable person.

Never denied that. In fact, it usually gets me laid.

@561
How is he an oblivious fanboy? He admitted himself he doesn’t care overly much for the DMC series, he just played it and liked DMC1 the best. The one where Dante wasn’t actually as silly as 3 or 4.

You’re falling into the same fallacies as the article is. Not all fans made death threats or harassment. There’s tons of well put together videos on YouTube expressing their disappointment in a logical manner.

Also, people have a bit of a right to feel some disappointment that Ninja Theory made a DMC game without actually making a DMC game. They really just made Heavenly Sword 2.

@564
How does that make him a despicable person? You know that NT gets paid either way for this game.

@567 – you know how it works. Anyone who doesn’t like what he likes is awful.

@561 Are you for real? You seriously are defending Tameem Self-Insert Antoniades, a guy so full of himself, that he thought it would be cool and perfectly acceptable to feature HIM as the new Dante? I mean, its so stupid that he thought nobody would see his bullshit.

@ 561: “You said you enjoyed AT LEAST one of the previous DMC game? Then you’re a fanboy and I don’t want to listen to your arguments”.

Really? Seriously, the journalist writes an article stating his own opinion on the game, insulting no one in the process and you dismiss the ENTIRE article because he liked/preferred some aspects of the previous games?

Seriously, who’s the fanboy?

@566 NO DUDE…. ITS THE HAIR… WHY THE FUCK DANTE HAS BLACK HAIR??

DANTE WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO HAVE WHITE HAIR…

BECAUSE OF BLACK HAIR, I AM UNABLE TO PLAY THE GAME…

BUT THANK YOU BASED NINJA THEORY, YOU GAVE US A WHITE HAIRED DANTE COSTUME AS AN OPTION. NOW I CAN PLAY THE GAME..

@571 it turns white over the course of the campaign you plum.

@567: Celebrating someones failure is not despicable? Could’ve fooled me. A failure is a failure and it doesn’t look well on the portfolio.

@570: Yawn, that tired thing again. Have you even looked at a screenshot of the game, or do you still watch the first teaser trailer.

So you’re telling me that this guy here:

http://assets.ign.com/thumbs/2012/04/09/dmctrl.jpg

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_devil_may_cry_meet_dante_-13610.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rg66LQDs1r3e5vlo1_1280.jpg

Is supposed to be modeled after this guy:

http://i11d.3djuegos.com/juegos/5970/devil_may_cry_5/fotos/avances/devil_may_cry_5-2135803.jpg
http://i13d.3djuegos.com/juegos/5970/devil_may_cry_5/fotos/noticias/devil_may_cry_5-1774195.jpg

…

I hope you don’t drive.

@573- When someone makes something horrible, when someone ignores the pleas of the fanbase, they deserve to fail. I often give the example of Sucker Punch who were making Infamous 2 and redesigned Cole to look more like Nathan Drake, because there were critics who didn’t like Cole’s original design. There was a huge outcry from the fanbase that lasted about two weeks. And why did it last so short an amount of time? Because Sucker Punch saw they were upsetting their fans and changed it back to how it should be.

When the outcry about DmC started, they had plenty of time to fix things, to put it within the proper DMC continuity. Or to make it a new ip. They did none of those things and instead, insisted they knew better than us and that this take on Dante had to happen.

And then when after insisting that they had to get their story out, what did they do? They didn’t even do anything brave with it. Instead, they just retold DMC1 & DMC3 in the same story, with very weak social commentary thrown in and a lot of “They Live.” They did fail and they deserve to be penalized because of it. Maybe the next time a publisher is looking for a new approach to a respected franchise, they won’t think of Ninja Theory.

And when Ninja Theory get passed over for contracts, maybe they’ll think they should have respected the fanbase next time.

@573 Could it be because fan outcry saying that Dante in the teaser looked gay, they gave a complete make-over to Dante the Demon killer.

Naah, that sounds too conspiracy theory level bullshit.

Let me spin off another, easy to digest tale..

It was all supposed to be satire. Dante looked like Tameem because it was a joke. Fans got it all wrong…

Thank you based Ninja Theory. Your comedy skills are nothing but top notch. I look forward to all the Fuck You’s coming at me from my computer screen this 25th of Jan

They had two options. 1) Respect the fanbase and follow the continuity as well as make the gameplay like the old games or 2) Create something so profound and interesting that even the angered fanbase will have to sit up and take notice.

They did neither and I am glad they are not going to be rewarded for it.

@ 572 Thanks for spoiling the game for me now I can’t play it

@574: And i still think Sucker Punch shouldn’t have done this. I wasn’t a fan of Nathan Cole, but completely throwing everything away they did, just to please the fans makes me think that they didn’t believe in their vision. They gave in, they were weak.

Capcom and Ninja Theory believed in their vision for the new Dmc and you people are punishing them for it. They didn’t do it because you were pissed, this wasn’t a personal agenda, they really believed in the game.

And i believe the Fans of Sucker Punch started by saying “What happened? He looks like Nathan Drake! Why would you do that? He looks nothing like him! I want my old Cole back!”. It’s a complete contrast to the way DMC Fans reacted by saying “WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT? FUCK THIS FAGGOT CUMEATING WHORE WHO LOOKS LIKE TAMEEM!”

They even had a better argument, because inFamous 2 is a sequel, not a reboot.

You know DmC was planned as a reboot, you know it’s supposed to be different. You go on to say that it’s too different, then you go on to say that it’s not different enough, because we all know how Syndicate 2012 turned out.

Retold DMC1 & DMC3? You still haven’t played it, have you? There is no Castle, no Lava Spiders, no huge ass towers shooting out the ground, no grandpas seduced by evil and thankfully no LADY. Vergil was never the leader of a resistance group. Dante was never a Punk who didn’t care for others. Vergil was evil from the start. Dante never developed into someone who cared. He was always same old, same old. No character development. So afraid of losing his cool, that he couldn’t allow him self to show any kind of emotion.

Again, you complain about NT, while it was still Capcom who pushed for that vision. So, yeah, you DMC Fans really sound like a broken records. And i’m getting tired repeating myself.

@566: “There’s tons of well put together videos on YouTube expressing their disappointment in a logical manner.”

Oh yeah, if there’s tons of those videos, show me at least five of them. Because i still see the same complaint over and over and over again and most of them have no merit.

@575: OR could it be that A CGI TEASER doesn’t show the final product? Naw, that wouldn’t cross your mind. Even if you are right, that would imply that they actually have gone back and changed it, which means they listened to the fanbase.

@570: I played all of the previous games and i enjoyed them, i just enjoy the new DmC way more. The old series didn’t go anywhere. It didn’t try anything. They just kept updating the combat, but left everything else the way it was. AND IT WAS FLAWED. The script was always shit. The one-liners always lame. The characters always stale. The camera was always a problem and the game was never accessible for newcomers.

The problem with the quote is that he praises the old Dante, says he had class, then goes on to call new Dante a frat-boy? Does he own a dictionary? Even emo is closer to his new look than that.

And then he goes on to say that the one-liners are awful? Compared to what? Old DMC? Who is he joking here?

Well, the sales of Infamous 2 tell a different story, as it sold pretty well. It probably would have flopped just as badly as this has if they hadn’t listened to their fans.

Anyway, the bottom line is Ninja Theory and Capcom were given every opportunity to fix their mistakes and they thought they knew better. They obviously didn’t. The end. Argument over, because the sales are what matter to a company in the end, and the sales are below expectation. Probably FAR below expectation. So, they failed.

Laughing at a random guy who falls down the stairs is cruel. Laughing at the guy who falls down stairs after he spit on your shoes is justified.

to NT.. and there stubbornness with DMC-Core design changes,

you meet an a-hole in the morning.. you meet an a-hole, you meet a-holes all day.. you are the a-hole.

I logged in just to say that..

@ 578 : I watched the cinematics of the game on Youtube (not only one or two but most of them), to give myself an idea. I really don’t like the writing and what the main character. It could have been a totally new game/franchise, it would still have been the same to me. I’m not disliking it “because they changed Dante”, but just because it’s VERY poorly written to me.

A matter of opinion, and yeah, old Dante was not the best character of all time, but I still prefer him over the new one. Mainly because, as I said, I didn’t like the writing and the character. Again, dismissing the FORBES article ONLY because the writer didn’t like the new character is just totally stupid… Like YOU hold the universal truth and people who disagree are morons? Just like what Brenna said in her article?

(again, I’m NOT a DMC fanboy, and I started to write comments here only because of the flame-bait/insulting article from Brenna)

@578 Why do you think it is not possible that Dante’s look in the Teaser was an actually the final product? I mean, Tameem has been using his own twitter account to warn people about Demons, why can’t he use Dante to fulfill his wet dreams?? LOL

And if I am really right, that the outcry resulted in the Dante’s look, then thank God for the initial outcry, cuz Dante did look like a faggot. At least now he has an acceptable look.

@579: “Well, the sales of Infamous 2 tell a different story, as it sold pretty well. It probably would have flopped just as badly as this has if they hadn’t listened to their fans.”

Maybe, maybe not. Can’t predict that. They still lost some respect.

“Anyway, the bottom line is Ninja Theory and Capcom were given every opportunity to fix their mistakes”

I don’t see any mistakes.

“Argument over,”

I doubt it, i give you a week or so before you start repeating yourself again.

“because the sales are what matter to a company in the end, and the sales are below expectation.”

3-6 months, then we can talk about sales. So far they are leading the charts. And maybe people who played the game can convince the fans who are not too busy crying in their wardrobe to actually try it.

@581: What didn’t you like about the writing, exactly?

And i dismiss his review for other things as well. I mean he already stated that he doesn’t like the new Dante because it reminds him of other people he didn’t like. If that’s not a bias, i don’t know what is. What really pisses me off is that he had to cut a review of a game that is only 8 hours long into TWO PARTS. How stupid is he? How can he judge a character who will actually develop through the course of the game if he only played if for 3 hours?

@582: Because appearance changing after the teaser is the norm, not the exception.

“Tameem has been using his own twitter account to warn people about Demons”, that’s called marketing.

“Dante did look like a faggot” … oh boy.

@YoungZero

How is it despicable exactly really? He doesn’t like the new direction the games have taken, and the failure of this game gives the only hope for the others that could happen. If they didn’t want to fail, they shouldn’t have made a bad game.

And Dante was modeled after Tameem, not as much as his original teaser but they still bare physical resemblance’s. Tameem himself has even admitted that Dante is modeled after him a bit. Not to mention Dante’s also has similar ties to Tameem, like his whole British punk look. The Union Jack for example is in reference to Tameem and Ninja Theory being British. Last I checked the old Dante wasn’t running around with a Japanese flag on his clothing, he wasn’t even ethnically Japanese. He was white and he looked pretty European and in DMC4 had kind of a western design. He was wearing cowboy boots for God’s sake. Only the white hair and red outfit really made him so “Japanese”.

Also, I don’t possibly understand how you can complain about the old game’s writing but praise the new ones as innovation. The only difference is that the old ones had a bunch of anime and Japanese cliches and these ones have a bunch of western cliches.

I mean really, at least the old ones didn’t take themselves too seriously and when Dante did something wacky and nonsensical it wasn’t too jarring.

This game’s plot is so ridiculously full of holes it rivals Heavy Rain in how little sense its plot or characters actually make. The writing is also just shockingly bad. I cringed while playing it.

Also, what do you mean they didn’t innovate the combat? You even later go on to say all they did was update it. So they didn’t change the combat but they did? What? DmC made massive sweeping changes that simplified the combat really, the only difference is that it is different. But different isn’t necessarily a good thing or else my triangular tire idea would be selling like hot cakes right now. You see the thing is you need to innovate and be different while still keeping things people loved about the DMC series.

Also, there are negative sides of an artist being too free with his vision in writing. Many gems come from not being free enough actually. The original Star Wars movie, Deus Ex, Silent Hill etc. And while I respect the artist being able to do what he wants he needs to also remember he’s making it for an audience to make money, and if his plan isn’t to make money you shouldn’t be getting mad at the other poster when he’s glad they don’t. DmC’s script plays out like there was almost no moderation, editing or any rewrites at all. Or if anybody other than Tameem actually read it.

This game’s combat system isn’t even innovated for the genre or Ninja Theory. It had a very similar system in Heavenly Sword, also developed by Ninja Theory.

Also, the game is only leading the charts in the UK, not a very big gaming market. Its bombing in Japan and what little glimpses we’ve seen in the US don’t look very good.

“who are not too busy crying in their wardrobe to actually try it.”
You know this is where your argument just takes a turn for the worse and falls into the same pitfalls that this article did.

Why is it despicable?

*Wanting* a company to fail, not being able to make more games, and dozens of people with families and jobs ending up unemployed during a worldwide economic melt down as a result…

Yeah, that’s pretty damn despicable. Most of you are so utterly self obsessed that you can’t even see beyond your own nose.

@584: If you fail to see how that’s despicable, i feel sorry for you. I bet you’re great fun when you win at a multiplayer match.

“the old game’s writing but praise the new ones as innovation.”

I never did. The old one wasn’t just full of cliches, it was full of one-liners that barely made sense in the situation or the conversation. It’s like they wrote a bunch of one-liners, threw them in a bag and picked them at random.

The new script isn’t a piece of art, but it’s way better and doesn’t desperately try to be as “cool” as the previous games. And the dialogs finally make sense.

For example, Dante enters Limbo, he’s on his way to the news tower where Bob Barbas, a demon, spreads his false propaganda, he realizes that Limbo is upside down and says:

“Well Bob, now I see why your point of view is so upside down.”

Which is not only a statement about the version of Limbo Dante is currently in, but also about Bob’s smearing tactics, how he spins the truth to suit his needs. Exactly like Bill O’Reilly on Fox News does.

It fits the situation.

And yes, even the “bigger dick” scene was funny, because you wouldn’t have expected such an “argument” coming from Vergil. It’s absolutely childish and very well aware of it.

“I mean really, at least the old ones didn’t take themselves too seriously”

http://youtu.be/ObVjsZ3DQq4 <Best Highschool Drama i've ever seen and dat dialog. "Maybe a devil may cry when he loses a loved one."

http://youtu.be/gQeRRZv8YcM <Fantastic dialog here. Just completely nonsensical and i really hope it wasn't supposed to be funny. They could've switched the dialog with white noise and it would've the same depth. The Cinematography is great though.

http://youtu.be/H8qG4AlK1qk <Ah, of course. Dante's so cool and he never takes himself serious.

"This game’s plot is so ridiculously full of holes it rivals Heavy Rain in how little sense its plot or characters actually make."

How about some examples? And again, what examples do we have from the previous games?

"what do you mean they didn’t innovate the combat?"

I never said that.

"Also, the game is only leading the charts in the UK"

Europe is the second largest gaming market, with the UK being the largest in Europe.

"Its bombing in Japan"

And by bombing you mean leading? Because that's what it does.

"You know this is where your argument just takes a turn for the worse and falls into the same pitfalls that this article did."

You'd be right, if hadn't caught multiple people (who say they played and finished it) complaining about things that simply aren't in the game (like the smoking) or were completely clueless when i asked them about what bothered them about the story.

What? If I don’t agree with your term of despicable then I’m scum? Okay.

Name a few one liners that don’t make sense in the old ones. Because just throwing around a string of swear words isn’t exactly the greatest sense.I In fact some of the re-used one make more sense. For example when Nero said “SLAM DUNK” he was literally dunking the enemy with his arm. When Dante does it he’s just using helm bringer. I know that is nitpicking too.

They’re hardly better. They’re so terrible, the old ones at least didn’t take the story seriously.

“Well Bob, now I see why your point of view is so upside down.”
This doesn’t exactly show how the old one liners didn’t make sense. Also, if that’s the pinnacle of this game’s writing that doesn’t say much.

It’s kind of funny that you bash the old game’s writing but this is okay even though it straight up copies scenes from DMC4 that weren’t original there either

All you’ve just described was obvious you know, this is hardly clever not interesting writing. It makes sense, but that’s not stunning praise.

You know what dialogue doesn’t make sense? Vergil saying “I LOVED YOU LIKE A BROTHER DANTE”. You know, Vergil and Dante’s views on humans were that they needed protection. They just had different ways to deal with it, and Vergil had a lesser view of humans. But not once does Vergil doesn’t try to sit down with Dante or give a serious discussion about it. He spends about two minutes trying to convince him before attacking him in attempted murder. Oh yes Vergil, I can feel your love.

Also, what is with Vergil and Dante looking over the ruined city after defeating Mundus and saying “We did it” happily. They do realized they just unleashed a demon horde through out the world, that will kill millions if not billions of innocent people. Dante says he’ll protect them, but he’s just one guy and this is happening all over the world. Yeah guys, you did it. Hoorah.

Bob Barbas says that he made sure everyone hates Dante, and he’s made out by the media as some all controlling terrorist. But there are points later in the game where Dante is clearly walking around in mobs of people and nobody recognizes him. And Dante sticks out like a sore thumb.

Vergil says that he can’t interact with his computer because he’s in Limbo, and Kat has to do it. But that’s just not true as established earlier in the story. In the beginning of the game a demon in Limbo destroys a Ferris wheel and Dante’s trailer and this clearly affects the real world. Dante can too, or else he wouldn’t even have to dodge the trailer in the first place. Vergil even gives Dante kablooey from real world to Limbo. At one point in the game Kat says that if Dante shoots her from Limbo she would die, but later in the game Dante tries to grab her hand before she’s kidnapped and his hand just phases right through her’s. I could go on with this plot making absolutely no sense. In fact, how does Dante even get dressed while in Limbo? Are his clothes magically enchanted too?

It has cheesy dramatic moments for small blips, and then it goes back to crazy. Did you miss the part where Dante starts spinning his guns around and says “I’M ABSOLUTELY CRAZY ABOUT IT!” before jumping at a bunch of demons? DMC4 had a similar ending to DmC, with the generic love interest from both games saying “YOU ARE WHO YOU ARE.” but in DMC4 it ends with them getting attacked by a bunch of demons, and Nero yelling “LET’S ROCK!” before punching the screen. DmC’s ending doesn’t go out with a bang, but just with a whimper. Sealing the tone for the entire game.

I meant DMC3 and 4, and even though I’ll admit 1 takes itself too seriously. It’s not nearly as bad as DmC.

How does the dialogue from the Dante vs Vergil scene not make sense? You do know right after that scene Dante gets up, despite being stabbed twice and sprints down the building in a crazy over the top action scene.

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I’ve already posted some examples but I can go on if you want, there’s plenty more.

Yes, Europe has a whole. You do know that Europe is a continent with 47 countries, correct? The UK is a small country within that continent and even if they do spend the most out of the rest of the European countries, they hardly spend more than Europe as a whole. It’s like saving the game is topping the charts in California.

Also, no it’s not doing well in Japan. It’s topping the charts yes but do consider th at’s all relative and January is a dead month. It’s made about 100k in the first week, the week where games sell the most. In comparison DMC4 sold 240k. It’s pretty bad considering Capcom expects 2 million from this game, it had more of a budget than DMC4 and DMC4 made about 2.4 million. Source is Famitsu. I’ll dig up a link if you want.

What do you mean? I’m looking through his posts and can’t find a complaint about smoking or cigarettes.

@Ireland Michael

That’s kind of how Capitalism works. While I do emphasize with the lower downs on Ninja Theory ( who already got paid for this job ). I’m sure they can find another job and the games industry is a very risky business. They knew what they were getting into, and I’m sure the people that did great on this game ( like the art designers and artists ) will certainly find more work.

Me caring about Tameem finding work? Yeah, no. He’s a hack that mostly rode by on the “Fabulous writing” of Ninja Theory’s older games because he hired actually decent writers to write his stories. Garland even said in an interview that Ninja Theory’s idea of “bad ass” sounded like a cunt to him. It’s kind of surprising how right he was.

The designers of Ninja Theories games have had many chances to improve their gameplay. They’re hardly newcomers at this as this is their third hack and slash game.

You guys are acting as if we wanted this game to be bad. I certainly did not, but I’m not going to shed a tear when it turns out bad and then fails because of it. I wasn’t rooting for a failure of the game from the get-go. I actually liked the original teaser despite the controversy.

I hope this thread never dies. I think it might give Y0 a mental breakdown.

Its beautiful.

I want to sex Y0 so hard right now.

I’m starting to think the 1000 post thread is within our grasp.

409 more to go.

Bitches please, this series had style, not anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pr0gvjgeG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mzBZMhwF7o

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@589 – Then he really will need ointment for his butthurt.

@587: I never called you scum. Dude, this really isn’t going anywhere if you continue to accuse me of stuff i never said.

“even though it straight up copies scenes from DMC4 that weren’t original there either”

What scenes do you mean exactly?

“It makes sense”

And i’m happy with that, since we never really had that pleasure in other DMC titles.

“He spends about two minutes trying to convince him before attacking him in attempted murder. Oh yes Vergil, I can feel your love.”

Nope, it was pretty clear that they both wanted to fight. It wasn’t just Vergil who pushed for it. They both said their piece and started walking away from each other, with their hands by their swords.

They knew that ultimately they would have to fight. I do agree that it felt rushed, but what do you want exactly? Do you want Dante and Vergil to sit down and talk this one through? That’s how it’s supposed to end? We’ve seen multiple times that Vergil is someone who doesn’t hesitate to do what he deems “neccessary”.

And i do have to ask, do you have a brother? Because i do and we had some nasty, bloody fights and we still love each other.

“They do realized they just unleashed a demon horde through out the world, that will kill millions if not billions of innocent people.”

Humanity was enslaved by demons. For the first time in history, humans could actually fight back, yeah some of them were attacked and killed, but that’s the price they have to pay to achieve true freedom.

That’s like saying slavery is okay as long as the slave don’t get killed too much. We also saw military chopper flying over the city, so that’s prove that humanity is actually fighting back.

For me this ending actually explains how Dante could become demon hunter we know from the previous games. Humans see the demons clearly now and Dante has enough experience. All he needs is a name.

“But there are points later in the game where Dante is clearly walking around in mobs of people and nobody recognizes him.”

You mean the dancefloor? I can imagine people not being able to recognize in a place like that. Even if they did, Bob told them to stay away and he was discovered pretty quickly by Mundus Whore and dragged down into Limbo. So maybe someone called the cops, maybe not.

“In the beginning of the game a demon in Limbo destroys a Ferris wheel and Dante’s trailer and this clearly affects the real world.”

Nope, sorry, we’ve seen multiple times that those who drag him into Limbo are able do affect the real world. Limbo still belongs to the demons, Dante’s just visiting.

“Vergil even gives Dante kablooey from real world to Limbo.”

That i can agree with. Vergil gave him a taser, saying it would be a deadly weapon in Limbo. Very weird magic stuff.

“At one point in the game Kat says that if Dante shoots her from Limbo she would die”

Two ideas on that:

Ebony and Ivory seem to be very special weapons, which is probably the reason why it could kill her. It was never established he can TOUCH her while in Limbo.

Or, it can only kill her because she’s a psychic. I could imagine that it will kill her mental and not physically. She would simply drop dead and no one would know why.

Magic stuff.

“Did you miss the part where Dante starts spinning his guns around and says “I’M ABSOLUTELY CRAZY ABOUT IT!” before jumping at a bunch of demons?”

Doesn’t make it any less bad. You can’t just jump in shortly to say something serious and then go back to funny and crazy. If anything it shows that Dante has the emotional level of a child.

And you completed DMC4? Congrats, i was so bored, i stopped when i had to go back as Dante. Did you know that Nero is Vergils son?

“How does the dialogue from the Dante vs Vergil scene not make sense?”

Why are they talking about a non existing party again? Why are they even fighting? What happened 1 year ago that their ways split? Why isn’t Dante asking Vergil what he’s doing here? Remember it was Dante that pulled the gun up, maybe Vergil just wanted to talk?

“You do know right after that scene Dante gets up, despite being stabbed twice and sprints down the building in a crazy over the top action scene.”

Yeah, i remember that scene, i also remember getting really tired of all those over-the-top crazyiness scenes. They really don’t understand how drama works, do they?

“Yes, Europe has a whole.” o_o

“The UK is a small country within that continent”

Doesn’t matter, if the consumers are many. Germany has also a lot of consumers, even though it is so small.

“It’s pretty bad considering Capcom expects 2 million from this game” Yep, you’re right, the game is done, it only sold 100k in japan in its first week. Capcom didn’t expect the game to sell 2 million copies in the first week. -_-

“I’m looking through his posts and can’t find a complaint about smoking or cigarettes.”

Who is his? If you’re talking about Erthazus, i wasn’t. I had a few conversations on Youtube and on Facebook today, a shitload of them still complaining about the smoking. Hell most of STILL ACTUALLY complained about the haircolor. -_-

@588: I’m fucking enjoying myself.

You clearly looked down on me for not agreeing with your term of despicable.

You’re happy for the swearing? Really?

I want it not to be rushed and have some tension building up to the fight. Vergil is clearly evil through out the game but there’s little tension built up to this actual betrayal. Dante seems like an idiot for the entire time too because Vergil has been telegraphing some of the things that Dante is so shocked about.

Yes, I have a brother. I’ve never once tried to kill him though, and then claim I loved him while walking away in angst after trying to murder him without any attempt at discussion.

Humans can’t fight back at all, what do you mean? Even Kat who knows about the demons has very little tools of actually fighting back. The only being shown to be capable of fighting demons is Dante, and how long are humans going to get slaughtered before fighting back? No, it’s nothing like saying slavery is okay. Don’t twist my words like that, I’m just saying that they’re both horrible options but Dante and Vergil play it up like they’re such heroes as does the game. It’s almost laughable.

How does a military chopper prove that humanity is fighting back at all? It shows that the army mobilizes but I kind of doubt the military is that effective against supernatural demon hordes. They unleashed Hell on Earth.

No, I don’t mean the dance floor. I mean when he goes into the soda making place and there’s a ton of people there, but everybody just casually ignored him. There’s also points where he’s walking through the city with Kat.

If Dante is so different why did he even need to dodge his trailer in the first place, and how could he put on his clothes? Are his clothes magic?

Yeah, but Kat was in her spirit form. And she says multiple time’s that she’s traversed Limbo in this form even when she was a small child. How did she not get slaughtered by demons then? Also, I assume she got all this information on Mundus’ lair from being in this form. Unless Mundus gave her a tour when taking her captive. Also, if Dante’s weapons can affect real world things because they’re special, why didn’t he shoot at the SWAT team that kidnapped Kat?

Um, no. It shows the clear tone of the game not taking itself seriously, the small blips of serious moments are quickly followed by over the top action scenes to remind you that its an over the top action game. It’s like claiming Looney Tunes are a serious show because there was a sad moment where Elmer Fudd killed Bugs Bunny. I’m not saying the writing isn’t cheesy and bad, I’m saying it’s a lot more acceptable because it doesn’t take itself too seriously.

Yup, I’ve completed it a couple times. The backtracking is tedious but it makes up for it by having amazing combat. DmC’s combat put me to sleep. Yeah I kind of assumed.

Oh my God, seriously? They’re not literally talking about a party. This is like someone saying “What’s up?” and you’re questioning them because the sky is what’s literally up in the air, therefore their question makes no sense. In fact no, a closer analogy is it’s like me asking why Dante asks that Slurm Queen out on a prom date. I mean, what prom? They never mention this prom anywhere else and why would he want to go on a date with a demon so suddenly? Do you understand how stupid that complaint is now?

Dante doesn’t take ask Vergil too much because he knows Vergil’s up to no good and he doesn’t particularly care, he even says this himself. All he wanted to do is kick his ass.

They were fighting Vergil lured Dante to him to fight and take his pendant. Dante was fighting Vergil because he sent a bunch of demons to attack him and Vergil also happens to be destroying the city. Yeah, I’m pretty sure Vergil didn’t just want to talk after he reached for his sword and didn’t act surprised at all by Dante. Not to mention a bunch of demons attacking him with their leader saying “With regards from Vergil.” You’re trying way too hard here.

Don’t know if they understood drama or not. That’s not really what they were going for here and it’s kind of obvious. In DmC that is clearly what they were attempting.

Do you have any sources that show a game doing well based mostly on its UK profits. Or do you even have sources that show how large the UK is as a consumer base as a whole? Even then, look at GameStop’s best sellers list. http://www.gamestop.com/browse/xbox-360?nav=1385
For 360, DmC is getting beaten by such hits as Portal 2 ( a game that came out years ago and virtually everyone has played), the DMC HD collection, Metal Gear Rising, Gears of War 2, Fable 2, Gears of War 1 etc. This game is doing very poorly for an AAA game that has just released. The PS3 version is even worse.

Why don’t you complain about those comments on YouTube and Facebook then? Your post is very out of context here and the people on YouTube and Facebook won’t see it.

Yep, you’re right, the game is done, it only sold 100k in japan in its first week. Capcom didn’t expect the game to sell 2 million copies in the first week. -_-

You seem to be forgetting that sales tend to only go down as time goes on. A title like this, most people who wanted it bought it right away. And word of mouth ranges from poor to annoying. Neither of which is going to create any sort of movement for this game.

Well, maybe one type of movement, but not the one they want.

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