Wed, Jan 16, 2013 | 05:06 GMT

DmC: Devil May Cry “fans” are a crying shame

Dante’s had a dye job and legions of devoted fans have sworn off his triumphant return to the forefront of action gaming. Brenna Hillier slow claps.

There’s a stereotype that gamers are all pathetic shut-in misanthropes with the social grace of pubic lice (pre-endangered species status) and adjustment disorders so pronounced they are visible from the moon.

This isn’t true. “Gamers” as a body don’t exist. The people who play games are just people who play games, and that arbitrary grouping is becoming even more diverse as gamification creeps into every aspect of our lives. (It will soon be impossible to microwave a TV dinner without scoring points, updating your Facebook, killing off a boss and unlocking an UBER EPIC 5000 armour set.)

But we all occasionally subscribe to the myth that gamers are a thing. It’s easy to do when you hang around sites like VG247. You start believing that this relatively tiny group of people who know and care about video games with an unusual level of passion are a solid, cohesive unit. You read the comments and you draw conclusions about what kind of people “gamers” are.

It’s not a very nice kind. Like all comment threads and forums everywhere, gaming websites tend to be dominated by vocal minorities keen to espouse their insanity and ignorance. According to this measure, the “gamer” kind is sexist; racist; homophobic; reactionary; unable to spell; almost exclusively male; hasn’t read a book since See Spot Run; probably dramatically under-equipped in the genital department; incapable of basic self-care like hygiene, cooking and housework; and covered in Cheeto dust.

Alright, I’m extrapolating a little here. But that’s the mental picture I come up with in-between rolling my eyes so hard my skull shakes whenever I read some embarrassing comment about how Dante’s hair colour means DmC: Devil May Cry isn’t a solid, excellent game well-worth your time.


Ninja Theory has kept its sense of humour.

Here’s a bridge: now get over it
Look, kids, the verdict is in: DmC is a lot of fun. As it should be; it was built in close consultation with the team of action experts at Capcom who oversaw the rest of the much-praised series. Sure, Kamiya was not on board – but Kamiya is just one man and, newsflash: games are made by dozens if not hundreds of people. When celebrity individuals depart, companies like Capcom don’t lose ground. The teams that stay behind still have all the knowledge and expertise they used to build the games they are almost never given any credit for. A single auteur makes a better headline, see.

Capcom went to Ninja Theory not because it couldn’t make a Devil May Cry game itself, but because it looked at the developer’s body of work, probably paying particular attention to the excellent Enslaved: Odyssey to the West, and decided it wanted that kind of creative force to reinvent Dante’s universe.

See, Dante’s universe was starting to wear thin. It didn’t start in a strong place. The gameplay was strong and Capcom turned the hodge-podge into a solid action game in the same way developers and publishers have salvaged projects since the industry’s earliest days: it started making shit up on the fly and tidying up afterwards.

Devil May Cry was a great game and so were its sequels, but the franchise’s fiction and canon is not among the great works our industry has produced; it’s all style and no substance. Dante wasn’t written to have substance, he was designed with style, to take advantage of the then-new PlayStation 2′s graphical capabilities. This was a video game franchise designed to sell a lot of units as quickly as possible on the expensive new platform, not to push the boundaries of the artform.

That’s not necessarily a bad thing; the question of what criteria, mechanics or intellectual property, are important when assessing a game is yet to be settled. But it is a thing, and it means there’s nothing sacred about Devil May Cry’s fiction that prevents Capcom from begging Ninja Theory to try and put together a fictional universe it can continue to make games in until people grow tired of its rock-solid action stylings – without writing itself into problems it can’t solve by having a woman smash through a window on a motorcycle and flash her tits.

Rage face

I understand how uncomfortable it is to have a character and world you love rewritten, even when you can admit to yourself that the original product was not proof against criticism, which many of you apparently can not. What I do not understand is the blithering insanity of Devil May Cry fans in the face of a reboot which does the franchise no harm and by all accounts, quite a lot of good.

The existence of DmC: Devil May Cry doesn’t stop the earlier games existing. It doesn’t betray or compromise that existing (incoherent) vision you love so much. If Microsoft threw up in a puddle and sold it under the name “Halo 5″ it wouldn’t stop Halo and its sequels being what they are. If the brand is diluted that’s not your problem – that’s the publisher’s problem when the money starts to trickle away. There was no “true” Devil May Cry game which was shelved for DmC. DmC’s existence, should you choose to ignore it, has no effect on you whatsoever.

Despite the complete absence of logic behind this ill-will, it runs so strongly that some of you have gone so far as to send death threats to Ninja Theory staff.

And yet despite the complete absence of logic behind this ill-will, it runs so strongly that some of you have gone so far as to send death threats to Ninja Theory staff, to accuse VG247 and its peers of corruption, a charge which stinks of conspiracy-theory paranoia, and to write thousands of words of rabid vitriol against Dante’s hair colour rather than react like a normal human being to a game that has absolutely no impact on your life and happiness in any meaningful way.

Devil May Cry is a video game. You are throwing a hissy fit because a character in a spin-off video game has a different backstory and hair colour to the one you’re used to. I shudder to think what will happen if you are ever required to move house, break up a relationship, change jobs or shave off your neckbeard.

You’ve lost it, “gamers”. I’m ashamed to be sharing an arbitrary demographic grouping with such raving imbeciles. Go outside. Get some fresh air. Volunteer at a soup kitchen. Grow the fuck up. And try DmC: Devil May Cry, because it’s a good video game. Remember how you used to like those?

668 comments

#501

Telepathic.Geometry
17/01/13, 10:56 am

I don’t wanna be the bastard that actually pushes this over into 500 comments. I feel like there’s no coming back from that. So someone, please, take the hit!

#502

Erthazus
17/01/13, 10:59 am

Okay.

#503

Edo
17/01/13, 11:01 am

Yes!I bet that there would be exactly 500 comments….MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA….oh wait.

#504

polygem
17/01/13, 11:46 am

all on one card. just bet everything you got on 600 now;)

#505

orakaa
17/01/13, 12:25 pm

Well, if Brenna would come to answer us, we could reach over 1 000… or maybe… over 9 000 :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

#506

Tyrannikos
17/01/13, 3:22 pm

This site seems like it has bad history between a lot of the community… Not too appealing when combined with this hate-filled article.

#507

DSB
17/01/13, 3:28 pm

@504 I don’t think the article is hatefilled at all, I think it’s a direct response to a hatefilled group of gamers.

At most, this is Brenna going “LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!”

Good call on the soap opera community though.

#508

YoungZer0
17/01/13, 3:42 pm

I’d love to say “Well, this was entertaining”, but it doesn’t seem to end.

#509

polygem
17/01/13, 8:06 pm

you know what guys? i think devil may cry fans are a crying shame.

#510

Dave Oshry
18/01/13, 2:29 am

I read every single comment on this article. I have cancer now. Ow, my cancer…

#511

Ireland Michael
18/01/13, 2:39 am

@508 Sorry Dave. It’s all my fault. =(

By the way, the game is awesome.

#512

Dave Oshry
18/01/13, 2:58 am

So I’ve heard! Waiting on the PC version!

#513

halo3vsloz
20/01/13, 3:50 am

Good thing Metal Gear Rising is coming out next month so this piece of garbage can be forgotten.
Oh and it’s not just the white hair, here’s why.
-awful protagonists (The main villain is more likable)
-slow combat
-easy bosses
-terrible dialogue
-rip off story of they live
-offensive, especially to women (Kills the Lilith’s fetus, let’s her notice this, then kills her while grinning; Dante doesn’t even ask about this)
-Okay Music
-Dumb AI enemies
-Unnecessary cussing
-Cut scenes in battle
-Enemies can only be hurt in certain ways or with certain weapons
-Easy as hell even on the hardest difficulty
-Ending that made Mass Effect 3 look like the Odyssey
-Vergil/Final boss is such an easy fight
-By the way Ninja Theory are shit writers (Alex Garlands and another outside writer practically rewrote both of their games for them)

In other words I had more fun unclogging my toilet than with this game, it was also less shitty than the game too.

#514

halo3vsloz
21/01/13, 4:51 am

But besides all those points above here’s a quote from you which pretty much makes you sound like a dumb cunt since it’s pretty much why the fans are mad about DmC.

“Ever since the Tomb Raider reboot was announced, apparently a re-skinning of a survival horror Crystal Dynamics had been pitching for ages, I’ve tried to keep quiet about it. Because it looked ruddy awful to me – lacking everything I’d loved and appreciated in the series to date, and a total betrayal of a character I’d held close to my heart for a substantial portion of my formative years. There. I’ve said it. Tomb Raider, from reveal to reveal, has looked like nothing but utter rubbish, and I have been quietly anticipating giving it a critical savaging of such righteous fury that brand manager Karl Stewart will have to put his laptop in the freezer and cry himself to sleep. I’m not a very nice person, I’m afraid, especially where “my” games are concerned.”

You just named all the reasons fans don’t like the DmC reboot.
But you can go on with your shit game, it’s your $60.
Meanwhile i’ve got anarchy reigns and the new MGR coming.

#515

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 6:47 am

Anyone wants to bet that this guy never played the game?

Complaining about the writing and then being totally in favor for MGR? Really?

#516

Rastrelly
21/01/13, 1:39 pm

I played DMC3 and DMC4 some time ago. The series did not impress me, but the concept of setting and title hero were funny and impressive. Re-rendition is visually horrible, and at this point I stopped caring about writing, gameplay or anything. I do not want and will not “try DmC: Devil May Cry, because it’s a good video game”, because it does not appeal to me at all and I will not give sixty (or how much it costs) bucks to check if I’m wrong. Grow up, Brenna Hillier. It’s a world of expensive TOYS we play with to entertain ourselves in the first place, and art – in the second. Industry did it this way, and neither “vocal minority”, nor “voiceless majority” will react without considering this fact consciously or unconsciously. And when it goes for MONEY – both me and that guy whom I hate because I am racist homophobic vocal minority will consider if this product WORTH my (or his/hers/its) money. Not WE must be worth the product, the PRODUCT must – technically, visually and narratively. And we all have the right to tell the word how do we hate when our toys are replaced with weird lameness.

I was always holding the position of moving forward, radical changes, experiments and evolution. But what we have here is taking original DMC, cloning it (maybe talently cloning it, I don’t care), and then slapping a logo on it. This is unforgivable in the same way as BioWare lies or idiotic journalistic outrage about Tomb Raider “rape attempt” in the trailer.

#517

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 1:44 pm

Have any of you people heard of RENTING?

#518

Clupula
21/01/13, 2:06 pm

@515 – Renting still costs money. Money this game doesn’t deserve, if the demo was any indication.

And what exactly is wrong with MGR? It’s a completely respectful take on the character and works within the established canon, and, most importantly, plays awesomely, if the demo is any indication. I am super excited for Metal Gear Rising. I don’t see how any fan of the series (which you have admitted to no longer being) could not be.

#519

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 2:19 pm

@516: “Renting still costs money. Money this game doesn’t deserve, if the demo was any indication.”

Yawn.

“It’s a completely respectful take on the character”

LAWL. Yeah, totally respectful. Remember how Raiden said in MGS2 how he loved ALL THE BLOOD AND THE GUTS AND THE KILLING? Me neither. All that criticism about the ‘new’ Dante, yet you seem to be oblivious to something so obvious? How does that even work?

“I don’t see how any fan of the series (which you have admitted to no longer being) could not be.”

I think that’s the difference between you and me, you seem to like your favorite franchise to be stuck in the same place over and over again. I’d like to see it improve.

MGS is a series that desperately needs better writing and i’m not seeing it here.

I’ll play the demo as soon as it’ss out and it will hopefully turn my opinion around, but it went from hate, to giving it a doubt, to like, to hate again.

To be honest, the gameplay doesn’t even look that good anymore. Seems to be hit-hit-cut-hit-hit-cut. Kind of boring.

Let’s not even talk about the bland art-direction and the horrendous voice-acting. And what’s up with that facial animation? Is that all Platinum Games can do, because it’s ALWAYS in their games.

And if the recent trailer is any indication the writing will turn me off AGAIN and Hideo isn’t even attached. How is that even possible? One must wonder if anyone at KojiPro has heard the word “subtle”.

#520

Clupula
21/01/13, 2:27 pm

You seem to be forgetting that Raiden’s Jack the Ripper personality was being held in check by the SOP system. Solidus was trying his best to bring that back out in Raiden. He was so adept at killing as a child soldier his nickname in Liberia was The White Devil. That certainly sounds like someone who isn’t mentally all there, even if he managed to suppress it over the years, with help from the Patriots’ technology.

As for the recent trailer, didn’t watch it. I don’t want any spoilers for the game.

I think that’s the difference between you and me, you seem to like your favorite franchise to be stuck in the same place over and over again. I’d like to see it improve.

If one of my favorite franchises does things I like, yes, I want it to continue to do those things. The only time Kojima tried doing new things was MGS2 and that game is a disaster. The only game in the series I don’t like at all.

#521

Clupula
21/01/13, 2:30 pm

Also, you do realize you’re bitching about a lack of subtly in a game starring A BREAKDANCING CYBORG NINJA KILLING MACHINE FROM THE FUTURE!!!

Take some time and think about that, for a moment.

#522

polygem
21/01/13, 2:55 pm

clupula…no offense…it’s just kind of funny. i seem to almost always disagree with you. completley different taste in games.

#523

Clupula
21/01/13, 2:59 pm

@520 – Happens. If everybody was into the same games, we wouldn’t need as many as we have.

#524

polygem
21/01/13, 3:01 pm

agreed

#525

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 3:02 pm

@518: Could be, don’t remember. The story always has been a disaster. But bearing your logic in mind, shouldn’t he go completely berserk the moment the SOP System broke down? What took him so long? I remember that scene from MGS4 where all the psc starting shitting and pissing their pants and fighting each other. And if remember correctly, Solidus only tortured him. He didn’t seem to be too interested in bringing Jack the Ripper back. “Time to let it rip!” Lawl.

“his nickname in Liberia was The White Devil. That certainly sounds like someone who isn’t mentally all there”

He got that nickname because of skin color and because he was good at killing. That’s also something he needed to be.

If you haven’t seen the recent trailer, it’s no wonder you don’t understand my concerns. The dialog and voice-acting is crunch-worthy. Really. Really. Really bad. I’m not trolling.

It doesn’t spoil anything important, so you can go and check it out. There is a reason why i stopped being optimistic after that trailer.

“The only time Kojima tried doing new things was MGS2 and that game is a disaster.”

The only time? No, it wasn’t the only time. He tried a lot of other things, especially in MGS4, which was also a disaster.

@519: I was talking about the writing. And fuck that kind of lazy argument anyway.

#526

monkeygourmet
21/01/13, 3:09 pm

@523

Platinum kinda has more pedigree and ‘money in the bank’ with people ‘gameplay wise’ then NT did with DmC, no?

Gameplay in this kind of game is king.

I mean, Heavenly Sword, Enslaved & DmC, hardly the same league is it?

#527

Clupula
21/01/13, 3:12 pm

@532 – I liked MGS4, for the most part. I didn’t like a lot of Ryan Peyton-influences (like taking out the requirement to heal individual body parts that MGS3 had), but overall, it was a solid (HA!) game. The only part I disliked, really, was the last chapter, which felt too much like MGS2 to me. The other parts, the Middle East, Europe, and especially the South America chapter? Loved them.

I just wish watching trailers beforehand hadn’t spoiled the Rex vs. Ray battle for me.

#528

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 3:20 pm

@524: At least with DmC NT has shown that they can improve as a developer. The gameplay is as fun and fluid as in the previous games. I can’t wait to see what they do with DmC 2.

Platinumgames has yet to prove that they are able to deliver a game that matters story-wise.

@525: Naw. It wasn’t a game at all. 11 hours of cutscenes, with extremely short and linear gameplay sections in between. I think the longest level was in Europe, but only because you had to follow that slow, whistling idiot.

It had the worst bosses in MGS history and the worst fanservice. But the weapons were great and the gameplay was superior to the previous games. Why MGS3 didn’t allow you to crouch-walk is beyond me.

#529

Clupula
21/01/13, 3:31 pm

@526 – considering the sales of the game, I think it’s safe to say there won’t be a sequel from them.

And the gameplay is nowhere near as fun nor fluid as the previous games. It is an improvement on Ninja Theory’s previous games, but that’s a very low bar to cross over.

#530

GilliamYaeger
21/01/13, 4:45 pm

@523 “shouldn’t he go completely berserk the moment the SOP System broke down? What took him so long?”

The influence of his family and determination to avoid fighting in wars again kept it in check. But when he was pretty much forced into combat when the guy he was protecting got killed, well…

#531

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 4:55 pm

@527: Dunno about you, but last time i checked, DmC #1 this week. It’s only been out for 6 days so far. We might be able to talk in a few months, until then, stop looking desperate.

@528: Avoid fighting? He wanted to avoid fighting? So why did he join a private security company? Someone who wants to avoid fights usually isn’t looking for a job that gets him into a fight.

#532

Ars Nova
21/01/13, 6:31 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e23c_HDPo7Y#t=01m06s

Here’s what’s missing from DmC. Here’s why I’m disappointed. If DmC truly does get this superb on the technical level, a re-evaluation is in order. But I haven’t seen it yet. And this pretty much boils down the actual reasons behind the anger, beyond the above-mentioned vocal minority of allegedly Cheeto-covered slobs. On the surface it appears to be Devil May Cry, but it lacks in the areas that drew so many to the series. No one wanted any of that to go away, and yet it did. DmC might excite me as a game, if it wasn’t trying to be Devil May Cry, and thus marking the end of the old ways. Once again, the game is young, and it may come out that it’s not so different after all. But right now, when I look at DmC, I don’t see Devil May Cry. It may wear the same face, but it’s just not the same game. “Not in a million years,” as the new fella says. (Then again, he went back on that with the DLC costumes, so perhaps he’ll go back on the rest as well… Only time will tell.)

#533

absolutezero
21/01/13, 6:35 pm

Are we still pretending the DmC story is good?

#534

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 6:41 pm

It’s good.

#535

GilliamYaeger
21/01/13, 6:45 pm

@529 He got a job as private security because a) It was basically the only thing he was qualified for and b) Because he assumed that by guarding some guy in a backwater nation that hadn’t seen war for years (and was quite frankly sick of fighting) would be a nice, quiet job.

Until the game began all he’d have to do to scare off would-be assassins would be to cut up some things and block some bullets. A serious, well-armed and well-organized threat would have been unthinkable.

#536

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 6:57 pm

@533: He could be a tour guide for people in NY. And Rose already had a great job. Why does he need to work at all? He could be a stay at home dad. Taking care of little boyscout Jack.

You know, a modern man!

Why didn’t he just choose to protect a celebrity? It’s less dangerous than working for an official in a backwater nation.

#537

GilliamYaeger
21/01/13, 7:04 pm

@534 Raiden, a person with absolutely shit people skills and massive PTSD over being a child soldier, brainwashed and lied to most of his life, getting captured and reduced to the top half of a head by the Patriots, then getting absolutely fucked physically over the course of MGS4, working as a tour guide? Are you fucking joking?

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Rose (a psychological councilor specializing in soldiers with PTSD) was the one who told him to get the security guard job in the first place, since the guy Raiden was protecting was trying to rebuild the war-torn country Raiden grew up as a child soldier in. Get him to feel like he was helping to atone for his past sins and be proud over helping people.

#538

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 7:13 pm

@535: He would be an excellent tourguide. Remember how he and Rose met for the first time? She was wrong, he was right!

And Rose is mentally unstable herself, so the dumbest thing Raiden could do, is to actually listen to her.

“THERE WAS NOTHING IN YOUR ROOM! IT’S JUST AS EMPTY AS YOUR HEART, CONSUME MORE STUFF!”

#539

GilliamYaeger
21/01/13, 7:21 pm

@536 Because anything that happened in MGS2 is completely trustworthy, right? I mean its not like things went completely batshit towards the end with insane AI phonecalls, fake game over screens, running around naked, and other mindscrews right?

Oh, wait.

And somehow I don’t think its a good idea to let a cyborg supersoldier with a questionable grip on sanity be in charge of a group of civilians.

#540

Clupula
21/01/13, 7:28 pm

“And over here is Federal Hall, where you might remember a few…few…SOLIDUS!”

Next thing you know, there’s tourist bodies everywhere.

#541

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 7:29 pm

@537: She was batshit insane right from the get-go.

“I’m sure you’re busy saving the president and all that funky stuff, but do you remember what day tomorrow is?”

Right from the get-go.

And i think that would be awesome! Imagine they made a game out of that, with tourists approaching Raiden asking him if it was Godzilla who climbed that building or King Kong. And you’d have to answer those questions fast, or otherwise people would think you’re a mouthbreathing idiot and pay you less money.

#542

Clupula
21/01/13, 7:30 pm

Plus, there was the whole “killing a current president and a former one” thing.

Somehow, I doubt if you kill George W. Bush in a swordfight they allow you to get a tour guide job.

#543

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 7:33 pm

And you need the money to make sure little Jack has the best education, food and security money can provide. You’re a caring, loving, cyborg ninja father and you’re on your own, because Rose is in a mental facility for batshit insane girlfriends and she can’t help you.

#544

GilliamYaeger
21/01/13, 7:35 pm

@540 Exactly.

Somehow I doubt that Raiden would be too welcome in the US anymore.

Maybe thats why the police were trying to kill him in that MGR gameplay video?

#545

Ireland Michael
21/01/13, 7:36 pm

@541 That made me laugh my ass off.

LOL @ people trying to rationalise the MGS story. You care far more about it’s continuity and logic (I use the term loosely in this case) than Kojima ever did.

#546

DSB
21/01/13, 7:41 pm

@541 That was hilarious :D

#547

YoungZer0
21/01/13, 7:49 pm

Thank you, gentlemen. :3

#548

Sadismek
21/01/13, 7:53 pm

@541 Haha! :lol:

#550

DSB
22/01/13, 9:58 pm

Ooooooh SNAP Brenna, he done called you out. It’s on, girlfriend.

I’m just gonna leave this boombox right here… And if you should both feel the need to bust a move, and settle this like awesome 1980′s teenagers, just do it.. Just do it.

… Just do it.

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