DmC: Devil May Cry “fans” are a crying shame

Carnival of stupidity tbh. They haven’t even played the game.

Ninja Theory should have followed the design of Dante a little closer, just to shut the fans up. However, I agree with the article.

The game should be in 60 FPS though. I really don’t care what tricks the staff did to make it feel like its in 60 FPS. I played the demo and its in 30 FPS. DMC fans are used to 60 FPS.

“DmC: Devil May Cry “fans” are a crying shame”

Well, at least they’re not alone. This could be expanded on many franchises/games. Sadly.

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Hm, actually I would see is at compliment, if all people find to complain about is the new hair colour of my main character. I mean, people like to complain, criticize and generally bad mouth stuff. They will take your game apart, take each little thing and blow it out of proportion.
“You know that one spot in level 3-4, where, when you tilt the camera this way and jump that way, while swinging those daggers, that one snowflake totally clips into the tree. thus the graphics are terrible.”

However, in DMC, all people complained was the hair colour and some were nagging about it being too easy. Means no complains about plot holes, nothing about game play (beside home-charging mobiles)? Well, that sounds like a win to me. But then again, money will decided that one in the end. Won’t it?

“Carnival of stupidity”.

Yes..its a good videogame. But is it DMC? Is it Japanese? Its like the remake of Akira which is in the works.

First sensible word I’ve heard on any of this.

I think people are confusing Devil May Cry with the poetry epic Dante’s Inferno, clearly mistaking Dante for some kind of high fiction that isn’t just a vehicle for killing a whole lot of demons. I’ve been looking forward to this one,mostly because it looks like a good game, DMC being basically tetris or pacman, an arcade game about the gameplay, not about anything else that matters.

I’ve never been unable to understand the hate the reboot generated.

Honestly, DmC/Devil May Cry has some of the most shitty fans around.

The franchise deserves better.

Hopefully this reboot will attract more reasonably minded folk to the fold.

Gamers are entitled, whiny fuckers.
I’ve been beating this drum for a while.

@8 yeah kinda like that.

Mikami at least knew when to change the name of the game when it looks and feels different.

Capcom don’t.

Dinos massive Cock is just as stupid and offensive to the fans as they were to them and both don’t really act mature.
Like the Wig scene, and many other referencing old Dante/DMC.

And as Joker said. To me the Stylish action was all about DMC. Thats why i hate 2 because it was all about “them weapons”. DMC is forcing you to style on the enemy if you want to perform better as well as the other moves do more damage. The SSS gif just shows how terrible the system in DmC is and the rest can go to hell.

Would have been better they stayed to the first concept, kept it that way and make it feel way different than now instead of give in to the crying fans. Then change name it voila new half-breed IP.

Something like this crying will happen with Dark Souls 2 and I can’t wait to comment on the “crying fans”-article that is talking about the accessability of games.

VG feels like a center mass of Anti-Hardcore-Nerds-Group that is always for the masses. With Diablo 3-Chill-out article and sorts it, at least, feels like “videogame-journalism” (yeah “” just like you mean the “fans” in the headline.)

So whats next on “Shitting on fanbase”. Bullet-Hell with less Bullets but deeper story?

After playing the demo I believe that the final game is definitely a good game, and rebooting the story is fine with me too. I just didn’t like the fact they changed Dante to the way he looks now, not saying they shouldn’t change him at all, I just don’t like the way he looks at the moment. Only reason i’m not buying it though is there are lots of games i’ve pre-ordered in the first 3-4 months of 2012 and didn’t want to play this as much as the others.

The only thing worse than DMC fans constantly crying about the game (and sometimes rightfully so) is the counter-fans trying to make a dumb point by decrying them as stupid and calling gamers as a whole dumb. You’re just as bad by throwing a hissy fit and saying “SEE?! IT’S ACTUALLY GOOD!” from reviews. Let’s not forget Dragon Age 2 and how that panned out, lest the same mistakes be made.

DmC’s combat is okay and I can see where people can enjoy that (even if it’s a bit of a downgrade from previous action games), but don’t try to excuse the story as anything more than mindless, sexist trash. It’s certainly no Shakespeare, and it’s full of more holes than swiss cheese. Full of truly thought provoking dialogue like “FUCK YOU” and “The world’s your bitch, and so am I” and an intelligent anti-consumerism and media message (despite Ninja Theory doing what it can to discount non-”genuine” reviews).

He such a little bitch in this though…

Worst charecter dialouge i’ve seen this gen.

I guess it’ll sell to 12 year olds who like to hear the word ‘fuck’ a lot and people who buy anything with DMC on it.

And to top it off, lets stick some shitty dubstep in too, what a joke.

I think these ARE reasons to be pissed off.

@7
What is DMC? Just because it’s not made in Japan by Japanese, is it no longer DMC? Was DMC quintessentially Japanese in the first place?
Are we so narrow minded to identify a game based solely on it’s place of origin?
DmC was, is, and will always be a cheesy stylish action video game with a cocky bastard as it’s protagonist, which is what this new DmC is.

@15

It was camp ‘anime’ type cockyness (which was kind of refreshing with all the meathead style games), rather than some hipster twat saying fuck alot while listening to shit dubstep…

@15 please don’t every use the words stylish action with DmC as the “stylish” meter is actually just a meter based on damage (might not be purely it, but damage is a huge factor) instad of variety.

Stylish action games force you to use other moves, which in best case are stronger, to get better scores or reward the player with better things.

All DmC is forcing you is to dodge a move and attack with the axe to get to A or S.

Why not just make a different franchise altogether?!

I never understand this… It would expand the industry and potentially create new revenue and aviod pissing anyone off.

Sadly reading this article made me feel you are just a bitchy as the fans. The problem with the reboot isnt the new Dante I think its because there was no end to the previous story and the franchise hadnt gone stale yet. Tomb Raider was a crap franchise that at its very best was just stale so it needed a reboot. But doing a reboot just to get more casual players money since they wont play the old games is kinda messed up (Also makes DMC4 pointless since that was the same reason they made the new Hero).

Ninja Theory didnt deserve all the crap they got, but the one guy who was talking mess to the fans did have it coming (fans arent the most logical people). The game looks interesting but Im not going to get it until there is a price drop since capcom has stingy DLC practices.

But also lets face it if Nintendo decided to make Mario a blond trash man Im sure their would be hella fans pissed off, so why be surprised here?

So people are not allowed to voice their concerns anymore, if they do they risk being branded as imbeciles, misanthropes, and a lot of other crazy things? Good to know.

I generally don’t like this particular genre of action games, but I can safely say I enjoyed a few titles, DMC and GoW chief among them. For me the story always seemed a bit mediocre, but I liked how Dante was, didn’t see anything wrong with him and certainly he didn’t need cosmetic surgery to be presentable to a wider audience.

All in all, I get what you’re saying Brenna but I completely disagree with how you have to belittle everyone who disagrees with you in order to make your point.

Sadly this is how the world works today, if you disagree with me you’re a nolifer who lives in his mother’s basement who hasn’t been out for decades and probably needs professional help. Just like in my country, when you disagree with the government, you raise your concerns and voice your opinion only to be crushed by those who are running it. You’ll be branded as traitors you’ll be beaten up and sent up to jail or worse.

After all those who have the power always see you as imbeciles who don’t know the first thing about anything and their opinions most certainly does not matter.

This sort of mentality is unbecoming of VG247, repent or perish, eh?

It’s like Watching original “The Ring” and go watch the western adaptation and you say it’s the same movie. It’s like watching “Yojimbo” and then go watch an adaptation like Last Man Standing and say, hey, it was the same thing.

Yeah it maybe fun and entertaining but for those who liked the first one it wont be the same. Try to understand the difference here, it might be a lot of fun, but it’s not Dante. And to be honest it didn’t have to be Dante, it could be the guy in DMC4 instead.

Anyway I’m not that bothered by the change since I’m not a hardcore DMC fan, I just didn’t like how this article had to be in order to be able to make a few points.

I made an account just to call you out on this.
The problem everyone has with this game, is that it is not a Devil May Cry game, It shits all over the fan base of what has always been a niche game, from inception up until DMC4.

The combat is babbies first beat’em up tier, and is in no way derivative of it’s origins the skill ceilings in the original games were extremely high, yet when I watch a let’s play on youtube and see someone achieve SSS rank after dying to the Mundus twice I can’t help but think you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

This is the same Crap with Mass effect 3, all over again don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining, because there is no substance to this game. Plain and simple.

I don’t know about this article… I mean, criticizing and calling people who are not satisfied with the game “names” is actually… the exact same process as they are using.

People are people and are free to voice their opinion in the limits of law and acceptance. They’re free to like or dislike a game (insults or death threats are NOT okay). But criticizing them just to say “you’re wrong, I know BETTER than you and if you can’t agree that the game is great means you’re stupid” is as immature as the so-called criticized behavior.

Personally, I tried the demo and really wasn’t interested in the game. I am not saying it is a bad game, just that it didn’t make me want to play it, and I have to admit that the main character really annoys me and turned me off (question of personal taste). Am I part of the “crying fanbase”? No. Am I loudly and actively writing this on all forums over the Internet? Not at all. Have I sent death threats to NT’s team? Certainly not. Do people who don’t like the game deserve criticism for “not liking the game because they are a bunch of morons”? No.

Saying that there have been death threats and turn the article to insidiously or indirectly put all “haters” in the same bag is exactly the same kind of syllogisms we see regarding video games in the mainstream media after mass murder shootings: “oh look, this mass murderer was playing violent video games, so all people playing are violent” and is really a step toward the Godwin point.

@23 *check the games front cover just to be sure*

No…no it’s there in black and white mate. “DMC: Devil May Cry”.

Turns out it’s a Devil May Cry game mate. Sorry.

Least the article flushed out some of, you know, *those* ones.

@18 sadly mate new IP doesn’t sell as well across the board on consoles and that is a damn shame because as we both know new ideas are brilliant.

Hoping the next gen will change that

well said 22#

God who gives a fuck if they RUINED your favourite game. They could make my favourite game F2P, I would shrug my shoulders and move on. Things change. Why do people get so worked up about it? Companies don’t owe you anything.
Vote with your wallet.

@25
Yer, there’s a lot of new IP coming

Well said Brenna, between this and the ME3 ending* debacle, it’s becoming apparent that the majority of internet games commenters ( is that a better label?) are so small c conservative that the creative drive is being beaten out of the industry.

I beat this drum every so often too as it drives me nuts. If you want the same as last time /it’s already there/ go play it again.

*Plus all the whining over a/ the intriguing Xcom fps which will now have been whined out of existence and b/ the new Xcom TBS, which is excellent but still elicits a high pitched noise from unsatisfied “fans” of the original.

Dave Cook, if another man had the same name as you but acted like a normal human being who could read and interpret text correctly, would he be the same person as you or simply share the exact same name as you?

“the “gamer” kind is sexist; racist; homophobic; reactionary; unable to spell; almost exclusively male; hasn’t read a book since See Spot Run; probably dramatically under-equipped in the genital department; incapable of basic self-care like hygiene, cooking and housework; and covered in Cheeto dust.”

Wow, tell people to grow up then make suggestions about their genitals. Stay classy, Brenna Hillier. It’s good to see games writers not stooping to the level of the unwashed masses. I’m surprised you didn’t work in gaming “writers” 2012 word of the year, entitled!

Instead of “extrapolating,” maybe you could have mentioned a lot of people aren’t interested in the game because 30fps for this style of action game is a HUGE turn-off. It takes away a lot of fluidity and smoothness. But that’s no surprise seeing as how reviewers frequently lets sub-HD resolutions and sub 30 fps games pass by without mention. Gotta get those promo copies and keep working up the ladder to finally landing a job at a games company.

You are no better than those sending death threats to NT and in many ways are much, much worse. The Internet is full of assholes but when people in your position stoop down to that level…well, it’s fucking pathetic.

For the record, I have never been a fan of the DMC series so I have no dog in this race. Always preferred the vastly superior, well up until recently, Ninja Gaiden series.

Goddam gamers, why are you all so entitled? You should be glad that capcom and ninja theory actually made a new and better version of your stupid GoW rip off.

It doesn’t matter what we say here. We’re still a minority right? I didn’t realize that Dante’s old hair took an additional 30 frames to render, or that his new hair is so system intensive, combat had to be brought to a screeching halt. 30 FPS, 1 button combat, FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU! Did good dialogue have to be sacrificed so Dante could have his new hair style too?

No one cares about his hair anymore. You guys are the minority on that one.

@30 Much worse than those who sent death-threats?! Really? …
*considers making genital related jibe*

Vocal minorities espousing ignorance and rhetoric? What, you mean journalists?

Wow, I sense this thread will eventually comprehensively prove her point.

@ 33 : By putting ALL persons who don’t like the game in the same bag as the 2-3 idiots who sent deaths threats?

I’m not sure I’d say it’s much much worse, but it’s really cheap, which is also why I was talking about the fact this article was really close to reaching the Godwin point

@35

Sooner rather than later!

“If you don’t like this game, than you’re a baby who needs to grow up!”
Quality journalism brought to you by vg 24/7.

@35

As in the articles ‘flame bait’, and anyone disagreeing will be lumped into the ‘un-washed neck beard’ catagory…?

Yeah, thats really fair.

As alot of other people have stated, I too am no huge DMC fan.

This new re-skin (I refuse to call it reboot), does nothing to draw me in as the writing is so abrasive.

I’m not the only one who thinks that so all you can summerise is that I am not the intended target.

COD fans probably are, it’s an obvious dumbed down teenage wetdream.

If your a fan of tactical slash ‘em ups, it sounds like you have everyright to be pissed off!

Another mongoloid makes another article saying the only complaints people have is the hair.

Typical.

It’s Like Mass Effect 3 all over again

@37 yup, I think you’re right…

I love the tone of the article- balls on the table, telling cry-babies to go fck off!
Well done sire, I’ve been impressed!

I’ve always been amazed by the crazy reactions of some people when things change or don’t go the way their little egocentric beeing would like them to change. It’s a game, you don’t like it? well just move on a piss-off, what the hell is wrong in the end? People can be disappointed, say they are disappointed, but disproportionate reactions are the problem.

And this is where #20 you read what you want to read – The journalist takes a stand against DISPROPORTIONATE reactions, not against just negative reactions. If some people had said “I’m a bit underwhelmed by the new look of Dante3, or just “Why change a style which wasz working” and had stopped there, this article would have never happened. But some people went too far, and reactions got so disproportionate that it became ridiculous.
THIS is what the article is talking about. Not about the fact that “So people are not allowed to voice their concerns anymore” – Oh yes you are right I don’t like the new style of Dante, I’m gonna voice my concern and send death threats to the family of Ninja Theroy guys… fighting for freedom of speech and ideas is good, but know when to choose your battle and / or how to read properly, sorry (and yes I’m a bit aggressive because for once an article goes balles out on stupide people and some other narrow minded people read what they want, then feel offended and as white knights take the freedom of speech crap out)
/ranting mode off

when i was 15 there was no cooler character, than Dante for me,i loved anime and. Now i am 24 and i have grown up and my tastes have changed, its a shame that some people haven’t changed a bit and think that a man wearing red leather coat and white hair, throwing cheeseiest lines left and right is considered a role-model bad ass. Awesome newDante look, out of this world level design, i had not seen anything as stunnig as this ( and i only played a demo )) and i am sure that i will experience a well crafted story i cannot wait to go and by this game and i wish Ninja Theroy all the best and want to say thank you bringing some fresh ideas into a decade old franchise, they did a great job.

Imagine if you will four white squares. These four squares are part of a series. They are flawed sure, they have their chinks but they are still entertaining and fun to play with and they have their own charm. Then imagine someone dumps a black circle next to them and says it is part of the series too. This black circle is clearly nothing like the white squares, indeed the black circle isnt horrible but next to the white squares it just looks out of place. This black circle could have started its own series. Indeed it may have attracted its own fan base who love the ‘black circle series’, but no, instead it insists it is part of the ‘white square’ series despite in no way resembling the white squares. This is what just happened to the DMC franchise.

The new DmC isnt bad when considered on its own. The combo system is easily accessible, the level design is interesting, especially limbo, and the story, while uninspired, is solid. But you cant consider the new DmC by itself because of its name. It is called Devil May Cry and with that title it has to live up to the standard set by the previous games and accept that it will be compared to the older games. DmC doesnt do this. The over the top insane setting has been replaced by a more dark and gritty setting, the characters have undergone the same change from over the top and ‘crazy’ to being darker and, I loathe to use this word, edgy. The combo system has gone from one which took a good deal of practice and skill to achieve a high score to a much easier and shallow combo system.

DmC should have not been a Devil May Cry game. It should have changed the characters names and released it as its own series. Sure the DMC fans would have looked at it and gone “wow rip off our series much?” but that would have been it. Instead they crowbared DmC into the series and basically insulted anyone who enjoyed the old ‘crazy’ Dante with that scene with the wig, ignoring any valid criticism by lumping it all into ‘your just mad we changed his hair’. The story may have been schizophrenic, the characters and setting may have been over the top unbelievable and the gameplay may have been stiff and hard to master but it was still loved by its fans and Ninja Theory has completely ignored that and worse, failed to respect that.

@38 not seeing that quote…
I’m pretty sure the point of the article was “If you’re a raving lunatic about changes to a game you need to grow up a bit”.

@29 I see your point but the way you wrote it wasn’t clever. I think you and a lot of gamers out there (just the vocal minority mind you) are being childish over DmC, I really do. Because I’ve been a fan of the series since day one, the hack n slash genre is my favourite, Bayonetta is my highest reviewed game of the generation.

Yet I still felt the DmC franchise needed a shake up. To me DmC 2 and 4 were weak as all hell personally, and you know what I loved the reboot and I’m a real DmC fan so what does that say for those who come out and say something stupid like, “this isn’t the game DmC fans wanted”

I hate people speaking on my behalf. I’m a DmC fan, I wanted a reboot, I like this game. People having opinions is fine, but people have been saying the game is shit based on the demo – which is fucking stupid as in my opinion it’s a weak demo like the Bayonetta one was – or having not played the demo at all.

Which is idiotic of course. Someone here even said earlier that all Dante does is say fuck a lot (he doesn’t) and listened to dubstep all the time (in fact the soundtrack has more orchestral music than electronic, so again that’s wrong). It’s just people making presumptions and making themselves look like dicks in the process because they’re wrong.

But of course I’m in the games press – as are all the other sites giving the and good reviews – so of course we must be getting bribes to say that. Fuck off! I hate that, I really, really do because after doing this for coming up 7 years now I’ve never know anyone – and I know the majority of the UK press – to take a bribe. We’re mostly all poor, working ludicrous hours and living in squalid, shitty little flats we can barely afford. I even knew one guy who worked at a major magazine and couldn’t afford a bed, but that’s another story.

Could it just be that the game is good? No of course not because you made your mind up at TGS 2010 that DmC was shit. This kind of vocal omnishambles from the community doesn’t do anything productive, it just makes the gaming hobby look like a volatile and ignorant place, when really were so much better than that – all of us. We’re a smart bunch, not cavemen banging clubs and muttering incoherently, although this week you’d barely know the difference.

I guess rational, friendly debate is dead in the majority these days, and biting, savage barbs and belittlement are the order of the day. No one is saying that your decision to dislike DmC is wrong – even Brenna’s piece if you read it properly. She’s just saying we should be open to the possibility that it could be ok instead of running your mouth like a lunatic for two years straight. It makes us all look childish and reactionary.

If we don’t keep our minds open then the industry is fucked. Innovation and new ideas will recede and they’ll just pump out franchises constantly as they’re safe and mind numbing, keeping you happy like the dumb little consumers you are. (You’re absolutely not dumb consumers of course, but that’s how some companies see you).

Prove them wrong.

@35
And whats her point? That people have opinions? Please elaborate.

@16
True, but I guess this is simply a matter of preference. It is a bit off-putting, but definitely something I can live with.

@17
Actually, I wasn’t even referring to that. It’s stylish because it IS stylish, not slow like Onimusha or brutal like God of War.
A bit like Bayonetta in that regard.

MaxiMov, the new Dante is so edgy and punk it’s embarrassing.
This is the very definition of self insert, well done Tameem.

it’s 2013 and people still think it’s only the hair?
haha oh wow..