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Total War: Rome 2 dev reveals playable ‘Carthage’ faction along with new screen

Friday, 14th December 2012 13:36 GMT By Dave Cook

Total War: Rome 2 developer The Creative Assembly has unveiled and detailed one of the games key factions. The north-African Carthaginian army comes from the trading state Carthage, and with it brings a mighty force to challenge the Roman empire. See them in action and get more details below.

The faction was revealed over at the Total War Wiki, following a press release sent by Sega. The wiki reveal includes the following descriptor:

“Carthage is an expansionist trading state with a small indigenous population. As such, the bulk of its armies consist of mercenary units. The core of its land forces, however, are elite Carthaginian citizens known as the Sacred Band and mighty war elephants from the forests of North Africa. Accomplished seamen, their ships are fast and manoeuvrable, with good ramming and missile capabilities.

“As a playable faction, Carthage benefits from its mastery of the waves and its heritage as a great trading nation. As a democracy, it also enjoys an improved level of population happiness. The player also has the choice to play as one of three major political powers, each of which confers further military, economic and cultural benefits.”

Here are the first Carthage screens:

VG247 posted an Total War: Rome 2 interview with The Creative Assembly earlier this year, in which we spoke about the disputes between Carthage and Rome, and the number of conflicts this could cause in the game. Check it out here:

Total War Rome 2 interview: decadence returns.

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  1. blackdreamhunk

    I am boycotting this game Carthage is black meaning they were black people! kinda like Hannibal was too

    Battles BC Hannibal the Annihilator Part 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUX-WvWvvsE

    #1 2 years ago
  2. viralshag

    @1, It’s debatable whether or not he was black.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. xXNapsterManXx

    @ #1
    are you brain damaged? Why would you boycott a great game because it has a faction that are black?

    #3 2 years ago
  4. blackdreamhunk

    @3 and 2

    because if your going to make a game based on history you should do it right with research!!! Also the Rome empire was not all perfect!!! Also it is no different than people fighting over Van Diesel and Washington portraying Hannibal.

    As lover of true history the anceint Carthage were black people. They were descendants to the Canaanites.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. GrimRita

    Im not buying this on day #1 because CA and Sega talk utter bollocks pre-launch, when post launch everything they promised is either broken, or hasn’t been shipped with a 6 month wait.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. blackdreamhunk

    European archaeologists have found eight coins portraying Hannibal’s Carthaginian features. The coins do not resemble each other. Of the eight coins, only five coins are not recognized by European archeologists and historians. The five coins not recognized portray Hannibal with strong West African ethnic features.Analysis of the coins found in Italy, near the battle site of Lake Trasimene where Hannibal’s Carthaginian Army defeated the Romans, shows an African man on one side with the characteristic strong African features such as curly hair, thick lips, and full nose; on the coin’s opposite side shows an elephant. All the black African looking coins have been carbon dated around the time that Hannibal was alive, but the Semitic looking coins are dated roughly a century or more after Hannibal’s death.The carbon dating of the coin is 217 BCE. Since the coin’s male image is shown in the way Apollo, the Roman and Greek sun god, was depicted, indicates that he wasn’t a common warrior riding a war elephant, but he was a high ranking military commander.This coin is the best representation of Hannibal. The coin was found near Lake Trasimene where Hannibal defeated the Romans, this fact offers good confirmation that coin’s image resembled Hannibal’s real ethnic appearance because one of way of celebrating a victory in ancient warfare was to have a coin minted in your honor and showing yourself as your enemy’s deity. This act would have an incredibly psychological impact on the surrounding Roman population in those days.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. blackdreamhunk

    A growing number of professional military historians believe that Hannibal Barca was a dark skinned, ethnically mixed black African warrior.

    HANNIBAL BARCA WAS BLACK

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SpI_foTt5I

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1pG4E08Cl0

    #7 2 years ago
  8. DSB

    So was Jesus. Who cares?

    I think Rome looks too technically impressive to pass up. Might well end up regretting it, but eh, it’s Rome (the best Total War ever) and it looks amazing.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. blackdreamhunk

    aw his name would not have been Jesus there is no “j” in the Hebrew language his name would have been “Yeshua”

    #9 2 years ago
  10. DSB

    #10 2 years ago
  11. xXNapsterManXx

    @blackdreamhunk
    I miss took your first post I was under the impression that you didn’t want to buy the game because the factions skin colour was black, after closer inspection of the pictures I see the Carthaginians are shown to be white or Olive in game.
    I now understand that you are boycotting for historical inaccuracies in the depiction of the Carthaginian people.
    That is understandable since the Total War games have always been held in high regard for their historical accuracy, also your posts and links were very informative thank you.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. blackdreamhunk

    #11 high recommend places like youtube and Topix people fight hardcore over history.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. NeoSquall

    Hi BDH, Long time no see.
    Bye BDH.

    Seriously, instead of filling us with your immense ego and knowledge of historical facts, why don’t you petition Creative Assembly to put black skins over Carthaginians units?
    You may as well threaten them with boycotting if they don’t submit.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. Doz12

    @blackdreamhunk I was going to believe all your historical references till your post about carbon dating gold coins! You can’t carbon date gold coins! The clues in the name CARBON dating not gold dating, gold coins have no carbon hence can’t be carbon dated!

    #14 2 years ago
  15. stretch215

    @14 they don’t date the actual coins, carbon dating is only for organic material. They carbon date any organic material surrounding the object. This is common practice. Not 100%, but as close as we can get.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. blackdreamhunk

    only 5 coins found of him and they all depict a black African, they were also found found near Lake Trasimene Italy where Hannibal defeated 15000 Romans, and back then they would mint coins in celebration of a such an achievement

    #16 2 years ago
  17. harpr1

    You really shouldn’t get your history from Afrocentrist pseudo-scholarhip. The Carthaginians were Semites, just like contemporary Arabs or Jews. They originated from what is currently Lebanon, and probably looked more or less like Middle Easterners do today. Hannibal may have had some Numidian ancestry, but the Numidians were the ancestors of the modern Berbers, not contemporary black Africans. You’d have a somewhat better case for arguing that ancient Egyptians were black, as some legitimate historians have done (but not Cleopatra; that one’s a myth too). In any case, trying to impose modern racial categories on the ancient world is largely pointless and unilluminating.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. harpr1

    Also, “The Total War games have always been held in high regard for their historical accuracy…”

    Seriously? I love these games too, but this is the franchise that gave us “Mummy Returns” Egyptians instead of the actual Greek-speaking Ptolomeys in the original RTW. Their priority has always been fun, not history. Which is fine.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. Demiansky

    Blackdreamhunk… that’s a telling name. Hannibal was not black… Just because someone had lived on the African continent doesn’t mean they were automatically black. But neither was Hannibal white, by any stretch. North Africa has been primarily historically Semite for many thousands of years, and that includes the time of Carthage. If Hannibal had been black, it would have been bizarre, because Carthaginian aristocracy weren’t very cosmopolitan when it came to marriage.

    Plenty of great African civilizations were “black,” from Nubia to Mali, but that doesn’t mean you have to twist well established history for some weird reverse racism. Nor does it mean you have to boycott a perfectly good game. My bet is that you probably didn’t even intend to play the game to begin with, but used this as an opportunity to pick a fight.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. Vin7

    I see where blackhunkdream is coming from… however Carthage in the present day are Middle Easterners. They originated from Ancient Phoenicia which is present-day Lebanon. However their armies should show resemblance to Africans for they relied heavily on mercenaries, ethnic Libyans and Numidians. Later on as Carthage grew as a Republic they relied heavily on Iberians and a little celtic Influence along with Numidians. The navy and hierarchy were Arab descent. so to sum it up Carthaginian armies should be a mix of of African, Arab and Caucasian. In terms of Hannibal, I believe he is Arab, due his surname Barca, which derives from Baraq meaning lightning in Canaan and Herbrew.

    #20 2 years ago