Wii U only moving 1.2 games per console – analyst

yes, it will always be repeating…
like og said, thread was all positive, people saying they bought much more games, system is fun. then the bunch of trolls get in taking a leak. whatever. now it all stinks like piss again but what can you do. they’ll have to clean up this mess themselves.

What a massive bunch of fannies.

@102

+1

For ‘fannies’

i just checked. i posted what games i bought and that i like them (post # 2). i also try to start a fun videogame related discussion with #1 because that post is indeed opinion and good posting…in post # 3 i am already getting accused -by one of the bunch- of defending nintendo. it is insane. just insane.

@101

I think Stephany should do a ‘final thought’ like Jerry Springer!

@104

Yep, like I said earlier.

Too many dicks on the dance floor…

@105: great idea actually!

@93 – I have zero tolerance for idiots, which in any language, you are. Not sure what your native language may be, so here’s a few phrases for you from all over the world. *cue “It’s A Small World, Afterall”*

Dear Polygem,
Fick mich, du miserabler hurensohn!
Me cago en el coño de tu madre!
Zatknis’ na hui, oyobuk!

I am the one insulting others here. yeah right. you need a therapist. a good one.

by the way, some of your google translator insults are very funny! but, sorry i wont do that to you, yikes…you weirdo you.

Steph is now treated to a +100 post from the NDF, not just Dave for a change!

Ye’re all as bad as each other in here. Look, it’s like this:

A = People who think that Ninty are pure shit, and passionately so…
B = People who think that Ninty are thee shit, and passionately so…

A cannot be made to agree with B, even if they are otherwise reasonable people. Likewise, B cannot be made to agree with A. Accept it, move on and grow.

@111

Not when good games are involved…

I’ll hold someone down and MAKE them play Mario 64 / Galaxy / Mario 3 if I have too…

Certain games, and even consoles to a certain extent can’t be washed over and ignored by supposed ‘gamers’…

Dreamcast, Saturn, PC Engine etc…

Missing out on certain games just out of spite or company rhetoric isn’t something I will ever agree with.

You don’t have to agree with it, but crusading against it doesn’t work, and you should accept that.

@113

But (engage Christian Bale voice), all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing…

Agreed, and evil is the site constantly being bombarded with nonsense flame-wars between A and B. I used to engage in these pointless wars back in the day, and it didn’t get anybody anywhere. You just have to stop caring if someone is ‘wrong’.

@115

Your like an old retired Superhero…

Come on TG, you can still do it! Get the spandex out!

@TG

Also, you are kind of cutting through 90% of the forum posts this site will receive…

Do you think Pat will be happy with that? Gaming drama and fanboy wars are what fuels most gaming sites unfortunately, at least with VG247 you get a fairly good cross section.

You should try CVG, Eurogamer, Kotaku if you think otherwise. Loads of twats everywhere…

If they were all just arseholes, I wouldn’t bother saying anything, but a lot of the flamers are generally reasonable people who don’t agree, but because they’re so passionate, they struggle to make the other side understand their point, which is of course impossible, as the other side is not only close-minded, but actively trying to change your mind.

I guess I’m just too old for this shit now. I rather spend my gaming time having meaningful conversations and playing great games.

/eyes psi armor and mind shield
/decides against returning to the flame-wars of yesteryear
/goes to Moxxi’s colliseum instead

@118

Lol

Yep, respect you for that.

And that’s how I feel as much as people don’t interpret as such.

Still don’t like people ignoring things out of principle.

Same with food for me.

I love cooking and trying new foods.

But, it does absolutely piss me off to the highest level when people say they don’t want to try a new or different food because ‘they don’t like it’, when they haven’t actually tried it…

Closed mind shit, never good in life…

Otherwise we’d all be eating turkey twizzlers (COD), which we are to some degree…

Man, makes me upset!

Don’t let it get to you. Me, I’m always happy to try a new game, go to a new country, try a new sexual position, learn a new language, get used to a new controller (in fact I love that shit) or start a completely new career even, but I have no interest in trying new food. That’s right, I AM that guy.

I don’t think it’s close-minded-ness so much as it’s that people only have so much physical and emotional energy to contribute to any given endeavor in the day, so we have to filter things here and there. They say Einstein kept 10 of the same suit so he wouldn’t have to waste mental energy deciding in the morning.

In the same way, for food or clothes, I really don’t care to waste my time and energy on it when I could be using that energy to kill Handsome Jack, or learn a new language, or guess how Walter White gets out of this next scrape.

Anyway, you seem like a nice guy, so if you can forgive my disinterest in eating new things, I’m Barrysama on PSN. d–(^-^)

Man, I missed the comedy show! Looks like we have been treated with another epic 100+ ninty threads courtesy the “Ninty Defenders Association” and all that in less than 6 hours, a VG247 record!!!
Seriously dudes, I made some comments in comment 45, and the best sane response I got was “Sony doesn’t support vita”, when they published 35 games on it in less than a year (thanks DrDamn for info).

There is a reason why ninty threads attract the most comments, as the defenders really take any negative comment to their heart, like ninty is their master. Also about non-supporters not having wiiu, how about those people who have a wiiu and are not commenting here? All I see is the 3 usual people defending their precious little company.
Also, matter of fact. Do you really think wiiu will be alright if none of the people who don’t like the console here don’t buy it. Despite all the negativity, sony forced haters to see value in a ps3 (like the 3 esteemed men here), and that is the only reason why it sits at 70m+ sales. If WiiU doesn’t want to be a GC (mostly bought by ninty fans), it needs to force people who are negative about the console to buy it. The ps3/360 crowds aren’t impressed as of how. If 90% people wont buy wiiu, it will fail.
And OG, like always , you fail to respond to a logical argument.

^^ Flamebait ^^

^ I think he made some perfectly valid points, actually.

The content of the post is not usually what makes it flame-bait, it’s the adversarial “You guys are losers!” way in which it is posted that makes it flamey. It invites conflict…

I agree with TG.

Very much so infact. I don’t think that Poly or Monkey have any problem with people saying they don’t like WiiU or Nintendo. I know I don’t. It is the bs that people use in thier delivery of said opinion that bothers me. Telling someone to fuck off because they own/like a WiiU…uncalled for. Pat and Dave both own WiiUs, should they also fuck off?

If some has the right to post a negitive opinion(and they do) about the system, then it stands to reason that someone else also has a right to post a positive opinion. Wouldn’t be an issue if people could just agree to disagree. I try to do that btw. You know that.

And really it is the same posters over and over(and yes alt accounts are being used). It shifts from stating a harmless, yet difference of opinion to near personial vendeta/crusade.

TG is totaly right. Clupula or Gek are never going to change their minds, and I am not trying to change them. But, I am not going to change my opinion either. Neither side is right or wrong. You thinking Dragon making points is irrelevent Ghz. It just means you agree with Dragons pov, again that doesn’t make his pov right or wrong…just his pov, that you agree with. I am not goig to stalk you from thread to thread because of it either. No one should do that. Look how this thread got started. Nintendo fans saying we bought lots more then the 1.2 games the headline says gamers averaged buying. Then…then the attacking.

That isn’t respecting other peoples pov. Not agreeing to disagree at all. And answer this on: if someone has zero interest in WiiU what would be that persons motivation for posting in a WiiU thread? The short answer is they are trolling, Laying down flamebait, as TG pointed out.

Gets very old.

I am not going to shy away from posting in Nintendo treads. I like Nintendos stuff,why shouldn’t I read and post in them? But what I am going to try and do is not lower myself to tge same level as the trolling. I have been here before, this is how stupid stuff starts. I am better then that. I know some of you guys are too, so I encourage you folks to live and let live. Stop trying to call posters out over what flavour of video game they enjoy.

Saying that Nintendo fans are overly defensive/sensitive(while trolling a WiiU thread) is like trying to prove how agressive hornets are by hitting their nest with a stick. The bees will pretty much leave you alone if you did the same to them. Sorry thought of that example a bit too late for it to be included above.

I’m surprised this got so big . .

I wrote what I personally believe to be the reason why sales of Wii U games are the way they are.

There wasn’t a AAA first party flagship Nintendo game at launch, no Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or Starfox.

And Nintendo hasn’t even hinted at such games for the Wii U.

Sure 3rd party games can be very good, and I wasn’t saying they aren’t good.

But they really aren’t the main thing that long time Nintendo fans want.

They tease us with that “HD” Zelda demo, but who knows when and if that will happen.

Sadly Nintendo seems to think that the hardware will reel people in, but it won’t in the long run I think.

Because it isn’t the hardware that makes a console successful, it’s the games.

Nintendo really needs to show a completely new and fresh Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or Starfox by Spring time the latest.

3rd party games aren’t gonna sell a bunch of Wii U’s for a long period of time.

@TG
Maybe refer to comment in 30s and 40s where OG feels sorry for non wiiu owners and poly insults others ?
@Ghz
Its right for every console. Vita, 3ds, ps3, WiiU ,you name it. Its a companys responsibility to create a compelling package so that even people who disliked it earlier are made to buy it.

@OG
So your ninty group consists of a bunch of hornets? I thought you were humans (or atleast ninty spambots) .

How about I refer to post 128 instead where you once again try to stir shit up. I’ve said this about you before Dragon. I really think you’re a blatant troll, which is a shame, because I don’t necessarily disagree with your gaming opinion all that much, and I’m liking your game of the year thread… :/

Why can’t we all just get along.

@129
Maybe those same people should first stop calling others “pathetic fanboys” before being hurt?
Sorry dude, if you like to see glass half empty, fine. Only people who call others trolls and fanboys are themselves the biggest ones. One doesn’t try to mediate like you are trying by only supporting one faction.
And about trolls, there is only one (big one)of them in here, and he goes by the name DaMan.

That’s why.

@131
What?
And one more thing, I like how you try to reason with someone only after saying them blatant troll.
So much for voice of reason.

Post 200 is not far away now. Ninty threads….

Well, I’m sorry if I offended you, but most posts I’ve seen from you seem to have an “us and them” kind of stance which naturally polarises people and makes normally friendly and nice people argumentative and puts them on the defensive.

I’ve been in my fair share of stupid flame-wars on EG, and in my experience everyone is at fault. You start out as a passionate gamer trying to get your opinion across and before you know it you’re bum-raping PC gamers and going full-retard on the forums.

Looking back, I can see that I was just trying to have a conversation, but things get out of hand and the next thing you know you don’t like X, Y and Z because… why? I don’t remember, but he called me an arsehole so he must be one. Wait, did I call him one first?

It’s all a load of shite. We all love games. And probably movies too. If we were all sat in a room drinking beers and eating crisps and peanuts, we’d probably all get along like a house on fire, even if we couldn’t agree if Metroid Prime is better than Halo 4, so let’s put the handbags down shall we?

@Dragon: what i don’t like in your posting is that your posts are often extremely unreflected. you are never ever taking a step back, you are always right. you say others are insulting while you are doing the exact same thing one sentence later. this makes you look like the prototype of the closed minded fanboy or troll. you always seem to hate everything nintendo while everyone else you are accusing to be a ‘member’of the ndf (a term created by you. creative but sadly meant in an offensive way) has a lot of love fo sony, ms or the pc…your warm words are mostly reserved to sony’s stuff. i cannot count how often og said that ps+ is great, how he dislikes xbl ads, tha he likes playing on pc…and, yes, nintendo systems. i said many times that i love many sony games, journey is on #1 in your goty thread! i am a halo fan and, yes, i like nintendo too….a lot. monkey also owns ‘em all as if it were cute pokemons…manu is obviously a huge videogame fan and not connected to a certain platform at all, praising games not platforms, always in a very polite way…..still you are coming to every every and i mean EVERY ninty related thread and spread your hate. then you are wondering that people are firing back at you? see, that’s unreflected.
you say 100+ posts show that ninty ‘fans’ are insane, while a good amount of posts are your very own and another good amount of posts have been made because people feel like having to respond to it. you cannot seperate yourself from this. you are taking a part too you know. your conclusion is: 100+ posts, nintendo guys are stupid fanboys…must that be right, the only valid answer? or could it also have different reasons? i think that example is alright. if you like, reflect about that yourself. i think you could learn a lot about yourself if you really and honestly think this through…

why are you naming DaMan here? he didn’t even post in this thread. if he had hurt your feelings tell him when he’s around.
edit: oh, i see, he did…still makes no sense to me to namedrop him in your post there.

@Poly
Me firing at every ninty thread? Not if I was the only one with those grievances. The headline is a bad one, like many others on wiiu. And if anything, its you and your mates who try to spin everything in positive light. And I am not the only one who thinks like that. No one else does that here. Sony articles or ms ones, even negative ones never get this big, even with negative comments, because no one feels the need to defend them ferociously like ninty fans here. Maybe that should be your cue as to why ninty threads as so damn long.
Also, you are the first one to insult others, check every post. I frankly don’t care about this stuff otherwise I wouldn’t be on the net. But if someone retaliates, you get hurt.
Also who created the terms NDF? Me? Are you joking? Refer to the 350+ comment page where you all were jolly about being ninty fans and having ndf shirts and so on. And now NDF, a word you all happily associated with yourself as become an insult? Your word, your meaning, count me out.
About facts, if I am wrong, why not state it? I will happily accept it. Only thing is that they are seldom wrong.If you think I am nitpicking, why not bring your stats to counter them?
Like you all, I have on countless times too praised other cos, but I know you choose to ignore them, so all right.
Also count the no. of comments from each person, yours will exceed many, if not all, maybe you should reflect about that, it will tell a lot about yourself.

maybe sony threads aren´t that long because the so called ndf isn´t stalking and hating on every sony article? riddle solved. seriously dragon, try to think out of the box sometimes.

i am not more insulting than you are. i am definitley much less insulting than clupula who always – first thing he does when responding to my comments – says that i am insulting others. it´s hilarious, what he does with that is just that: insulting others, in that case me. now he even said in german that he wants me to shag him, but that´s a different story and something i have to clarify with him personally;) i am always starting polite and then fire back when someone pisses all over me- and i will continue to do so, even if some clowns are giving me bad rep or keep trying to spread stuff that isn´t true. you and the bunch always start the hate. look up how it started here….just read the first three posts of this thread. it tells the whole story right there. #1 is critcicing nintendo, pointing out valid arguments. i responded to it, trying to have a polite discussion about the points he made…then, boom the fin gets in…starting the shit, then clupula, geki and you hop on the train…monkey, og, me etc. trying to temper you guys down a bit but fail at it because you guys are like some raging wildcats on steroids. here we go, riddle solved again: 100+ thread explained. you still cannot see that YOUR part in all this is HUGE…that´s why i said you should reflect about yourself a bit and i truly mean it. because i do care about you.

My issue is people not being able to admit when a company makes a mistake.

Like that 18+ eShop BS. Vast majority said wtf this is BS.
Still, some people said “This is fine”.

In this thread, the headline is an attach rate of 1.2. That is a low attach rate. Yet, you get the same people saying “No it’s fine there’s loads of good games, the Wii U is a good console, Miiverse is great”. What? That doesn’t explain the low attach rate.

Again, I think Nintendo could come out saying “We’re not going to make any more core games”, and ye’d be all “Yeah cool I’d like some casual games”.

wat

@139

Wii U owners on this site just gave examples of what games they had purchased in comparison to the article survey.

That was all.

@ fin: 18+ thingy: i said, i personally don´t have a problem with that- not at all…and this IS how i feel about it. i´d sign it today: i don´t care about it.
og and monkey said it´s utter shit by the way…just to remind you.

1.2 is a low attach rate, sure. people started to say that they (personally) bought much more games – that doesn´t mean they said it´s a great attach rate.
this is a videogame forum, it´s ok to post stuff like this. you are not automatically a fanboy if you post stuff like this.
i did read the headline and thought, well i personally bought much more games than that, i will post it to let others know….what the hell is wrong with that?!!!

you guys always hear what you want to.

how is posting which games i bought for wii u defending nintendo? seriously, i don´t get that logic. to me this is paranoid.

Oh boy the one i did miss for not posting on weekends ;_;

I did bought the WiiU and didnt get any game, only Nintendo land, really great game that demostrates a lot of the new gameplay of the gamepad; I didnt got any game because of money issues, i think i will wait for a price drop of zombie U and scriblenauts, both titles iam really interested in getting them, but is like the article indicates is because the wii came with one game and because it is pricier than the wii was, and also you need to buy the pro controller, ect, i think as consoles prices get higher the number of games during launch will decrease, i find the list of WiiU titles at launch pretty solid and great.

As for the NDF vs the SAF or SDF, but in nintendo threads they attack more than defend, i think SAF is more accurate in this thread, really when Sony guys defend Sony on all sony threads they say they are in their right because Sony needs to be defended, which i do agree because they see something that is not accurate, true or fact, they need to post it and call it, defending Sony, they are in their right, but when nintendo fans do it, it is because we are a cult and we dont have the same right as they do, i really dont understand that mindset, i say deffend what you want, Sony in this case, but expect the same thing for others, from the nintendo or microsoft side of things as well, we also have that right, we are not a cult, we are doing exactly the same thing you do, minus the constant attack.

indeed sir.

Fin:

My first post on the 18+ thread:

#65

OlderGamer
07/12/12, 8:17 pm

“A couple of things:

Games can also be bought in a store. Not as if they can only be purchased on eShop.

Second, this is a Nintendo Europe desicion. Nintendo central didn’t do this. Sometimes dumb things happen from region heads. I recall Sega America investing and launching a 32X mere months before Saturn was unvieled.

If you think about places like Germany, thier culture, and recent shootings in schools…it is not that hard to see how something like this could sounds like a good idea to someone with the descion to make it happen.

That being said it is a dumb move. I think anyways. But not all places are as liberaly minded as the UK. I would imagine that an idea like this one would make sense to some politicly and socialy sensitive minded people in Aussie as well.

I don’t think it will last very long. Gamers won’t like it. Pubs trying to sell their games won’t like it. And, in truth it is bad press for Nintendo as a whole. Gamers will say it proves they are out of touch, and the people that would be impressed don’t have a vested impact in the situation to begin with.

I would write Nintendo, and wait for it to blow over.”

Note the part where I call it a “Dumb Move” by Nintendo. If I don’t agree with something I say so. What I try hard not to do is make a moehill into a mountan. I also try and understand the reasons why something happend, rather then just going off about it. That is the aproach to EUs 18+ strategy. While I don’t agree with it, and think it will be changed, I can fully understand why they did it.

Sony dominated for two gens. Their loyal fans felt like they were the crowned kings of the industry. This gen Sony is thrid. While some of their ideas and ventures this gen were briliant(PSN+, chargable controlers, user replaceable HDDs, solid line of exclusive, in house IPs, and more) the fact is they are still on the outside looking in. Their stock is now junk bond level. Their new handheld sells poorly. Their fantastic IPs don’t sell what their rivels do. This year not a single game sold for a million copies in JPN(first time in 17 years). And so on. Hard time for Sony(hard times for a lot of companies right now). But for a Sony fan used to “winning” it has been a hella hard generation to endure.

It is like following a football team, for years they are at the top of their sport. Then go on a skid, it gets harder for some folks to follow them through the bad times. True fans do that. But when it comes to games, most “fans” are just consumers, and they simply take their coin elsewhere.

As for Sony fans, and any company loyalist, it is really hard to take. But most people aren’t loyal to that dedicated fanboy degree. Not even me. I have all of the system(actualy have most systems ever made). And I have a large libary of games. I am lucky, my wife doesn’t mind me owning a lot of games. I have some fantastic games across all current platforms.

Where I feel sorry for gamers, is when a gamer could own a system, but is blinded by fanboyism and won’t, Xenoblade Cronicles, for example is a jRPG on the same level as Grandia or the FF of old. Prolly the best jRPG this gen, imo as well as most reviewers opinion too. But if someone is too ignorant or too filled with hate/loyalty that they won’t play the game(assuming they like the genere), then yes I feel for that person.

I am a huge fan of downloadable PSN/XBLA style games. This gen two of my absolute favs are on PSN. I think a ton of Dungeon Hunter Alliance and Fat Princess. Both steller games, that I own and have sunk alot of time into. I also thought that both WarHawk and Mag where grossly under apreciated, and again I sunk a ton of hours into each one. My point there is I am not going to miss out on a great game experience(where money allows) just because of the logo on the box. Hell I was a PSN+ for a year.

I can’t speak for everyone you guys label NDF, but I think we all own and play on PS3. PS3 isn’t my main goto gaming choice, PC is. Followed buy WiiU, xb360, PS3, then Wii(but that gets done on WiiU now). But just last week I spent 6 hours playing my SNES(Rock n Roll Racing, some shooters, and Legend of Zelda). Like I said I am a gamer. My tastes change over time from gen to gen, it depends on what type of games are being offered, and what type of mood I am in(I am burnt out on OMP Shooters myself). As I get older my tastes change. But if something comes out, I take a look at it. If it suits me, I play it. System be damned.

What kills me, is that I know(because I have seen it), if you walked into my home. If I handed you a beer. If we fired up WiiU. I gave you the GamePad, and a couple of friends grabed WiiMotes. And started playing Nintendo Lands Mario Chase…your ass would come off the chair while you ran, ducked and waived around the mazes and your friends where closing in on you. Your char is on the GamePad, only you can see it, and you can see where the other four players are. The other four players use the TV screen. We call out your location as we chase you around a Mario style obsticle filled maze. If we get close enough we can dive for and catch you. Your job is simple, run and never stop running, if you last out the timer, you win.

It is undenable fun. I don’t know anyone that has tried that and not enjoyed it. Nintendo Land is filled with those kinds of experiences. Great for crowds. Now if your an at home single gamer, you are going to want to move on to something else, chasing bots isn’t the same as chasing your friends. But like I said it isn’t about me convincing you or anyone else about anything.

If you can’t come to grips with something not Sony, then it is your loss. Just like if you guys won’t play on XB360 either. Or any gamer that won’t play games on more then one system. In my mind those aren’t gamers they are fanboys. Tho I do understand if you have to make a choice based on money and trying to find the one system that fits you best. I get that. But if that is you, you still shouldn’t put other folks down for playing things you don’t/can’t afford.

I am sure I have already gone into the TL:DR zone here. So I will stop. Just give it some thought, what great game experiences have you missed out on over the years due to brand loyalty. Do you still want to miss out? I know I don’t.

very well written, reflected, polite, honest and thoughtful words! you made your position crystal clear and it all makes sense. i doubt it will be heard though. shame. would really like to become convinced otherwise.

Thnx Poly.