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The dog track: Q1 and the next-gen countdown

Monday, 3rd December 2012 12:18 GMT By Dave Cook

The first quarter of a year is relatively dead for game releases, but Q1 2013 is teeming with top talent. VG247′s Dave Cook asks if this busy period signifies the countdown to next-gen.

It’s funny how big a difference a day makes. Most of us can’t wait to get through the expensive holiday season, share in fun with our friends, drink ourselves stupid and vow that next year we absolutely will go to the gym or stop smoking.

Then January 1 rolls around and it’s business as usual. We’re usually worse off financially, hung over, shattered and in desperate need of something fried to eat. The games industry used feel this hangover too, as it usually crawls out of bed about February and starts rolling along as if nothing happened, but 2013 will be different.

It’s about now that we in the gaming press let out a sigh of relief and look forward to a month or two of respite and rest, but looking forward to the first quarter – which is January to March by the way – the industry shows no signs of slowing down. At all.

There are many top-billing games out during that period, including DmC: Devil May Cry, BioShock Infinite, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, Tomb Raider, Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch, Aliens: Colonial Marines, SimCity, Rayman Legends, Gears of War: Judgment and God of War: Ascension to name just a few.

What about after that?

The triple-A schedule is barren after March, the recently-launched Wii U aside. That’s not to say that nothing will release – it’s just that there are few games with a solid release date beyond that month. Dead Island: Riptide is the only sizeable console release I can see with a firm launch date in place.

Why do we know nothing about what’s to follow?

It’s because next-gen really is coming.

The wheels are firmly in motion now, and studios have shifted focus to new hardware and new possibilities. The signs are all around you: from the unveiling of Unreal Engine 4 and the Luminous Engine by Square Enix, the slowing string of console exclusives on Xbox 360 and the silence from big players like Bungie.

We also have it on good authority that PS4 is getting a reveal before E3 next year, and that the specs are looking powerful indeed. In fact, we published an entire piece on what we know so far, and it points to some rather interesting developments on the horizon. Add to that the lack of Sony-exclusive IP launch after March 2013 – there are no games currently dated – and it’s clear the big players are readying for change.

When you consider the eleventh hour of old formats – take PS2 for example – it’s not uncommon to see a final push of strong IP that fully takes advantage of what hardware has to offer. After all, developers have spent almost a decade trying to figure out Xbox 360, and comparing its launch slate to games coming out now almost looks like a generational leap in itself.

But Microsoft’s rig has reached its limit. Developers and publishers often state to the contrary, but when games on the format become too vast – just look at the increasing need for multi-disc Xbox 360 releases for one – then it becomes apparent that new media and hardware is in demand.

It seems that a month can’t go by without someone unearthing a dusty old patent for wearable hardware or a tantalising next-gen rumour that something big is in the works at Microsoft and Sony.

But you don’t need to theorise about Xbox 720 and PS4′s reveals. The signs are already around you that it isn’t far off, and if I were a betting man I’d say that – based on what we’re seeing in plain sight – that an E3 2013 reveal is likely, closely followed by a rumoured autumn launch.

By ‘plain sight’ I mean that Microsoft has been morphing its approach right under our noses in preparation for whatever comes next. Look at SmartGlass – a utility that lets users combine their tablet and their Xbox 360 to create an asynchronous (there’s that word again) experience. Stack that against leaked documents from earlier this year that suggest the next Xbox will feature a tablet controller and the move seems less coincidental. (Thanks to LiveSide for the document link)

Microsoft’s addition of cloud storage seems to fit with the approach taken by Sony in its $380 million acquisition of Dave Perry’s GaiKai technology, Steam’s cloud-based functionality, and a swelling base of cloud experiences on iOS and Android. It’s clear that the cloud will be a prominent feature moving forward, but the evidence doesn’t stop with storage.

Xbox Music launched last month to go up against the might of Spotify and iTunes, offering a cloud-streaming service with a vast library of tracks. if Microsoft feels the need to launch a service like this – although some critics suggest it’s pissing into the wind – then it must have a future road map for the tech or service going forward. The service can’t have been cheap after all.

The circle begins to close as you realise that Xbox Music is available across Microsoft’s suite of devices and software – across Windows 8-enabled PCs, phones and even Surface – a whole family of connected devices that talk to each other and feature a range of asynchronous (there’s that word again) functions.

Wii U is lambasted the world over by critics of its tablet controller, but let me ask you this: how often do you sit playing a game, get stuck and then reach to your phone or tablet to look up a strategy guide or its wiki page?

Now imagine a format where you can do this without having to reach for that secondary, third party device made by Apple or Samsung, or get up to sit at your PC to get the information you need.

Microsoft doesn’t want your attention to waver for a second. It doesn’t want you to use someone else’s hardware to get the most out of its console, it wants a captive audience, and spreading its experience over a whole range of devices is exactly what it’s doing right now.

The company is blasting all sectors of the market – from consoles, streaming services and PCs, even TV set-top boxes if rumours are to believed – and the only piece of this Windows 8 jigsaw left to fit into place is the Xbox 720.

It’s coming, you better believe it’s coming, because the market is ready for it. Just don’t be surprised to see a tablet controller bundled with it when it does arrive, because it makes sense given our almost symbiotic relationship with intuitive touch screen devices like our phone or tablet.

Consider this: consoles have evolved dramatically over the years – with new features, increased spec and technical clout – but there is one vital element that hasn’t changed very much during this time, and that is the controller.

It’s the last vital component of consoles that Microsoft or any manufacturer can change – without releasing some brand of mad holographic play, or AR function (that’s currently Valve’s department) – so it makes sense that Microsoft would consider a tablet option.

We’re about to enter that last, insane dash towards the future of gaming, and while it means more work for your friendly neighbourhood VG247 news team, it’s going to be a thoroughly exciting race to witness.

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  1. hives

    Agreed.

    Rumors about Battlefield 4 say that it will come out on current-gen consoles as well as next-gen. Same thing with Watch Dogs. And Rainbow Six Patriots.

    I really think that till July we will know everything about next Xbox and PlayStation and that they will debut maybe even in November/December 2013.

    #1 1 year ago
  2. deathm00n

    “It’s coming, you better believe it’s coming” But I don’t want to beleive :(

    I’m fine since I entered this gen really late. I will stay with my PS3 for at least more 2 years I hope

    #2 1 year ago
  3. tenthousandgothsonacid

    Good article but…

    “The triple-A schedule is barren after March”

    GTA5 ?

    #3 1 year ago
  4. Dave Cook

    @3 It doesn’t have a solid release date though. That’s what I was saying :)
    There are games, but no committed release dates. I think many publishers are figuring out how to best work alongside next-gen reveals.

    Add to that the disappearance of Rainbow Six: Patriots and Watch Dogs after their reveals, the rumours surrounding Thief 4 and Mafia 3, and a slew of other rumblings, it seems like everyone is getting ready for the next step.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. YoungZer0

    I’m thinking about getting Revengeance, will definitely get DmC. Bioshock Infinite, i do not care about. They have to show more footage to get me interested. There was a long, long pause and we have reason to believe that some of the gameplay promised in the footage material didn’t make the cut.

    My biggest hope for 2013 is Prey 2. I’d love to hear that it’s back on track and that there will be new footage coming before it’s release. It looked so good and it’s one of the few games that has not been done yet. Seriously a sandbox bounty hunter game in a sci-fi setting? Amazing.

    #5 1 year ago
  6. ManuOtaku

    It is all fine and dandy, but i just hope games are still the main focus, and all the other things are extra added features, that while nice having, do not take away gaming their main relevance on the devices; for me should be all for the sake of gaming, the added features should enhance that notion. Secondly i just hope neither of sony and microsoft goes for always connected online to play single player games, because that will be a big detriment for me to get both consoles next gen, i just hope they are clear that gaming is the first thing they should need to think off, and gamers in second.

    #6 1 year ago
  7. YoungZer0

    You gotta use the period more often.

    #7 1 year ago
  8. Hunam

    Hoepfully this means Atlus might actually start making some PS360 games at some point :P

    #8 1 year ago
  9. Moonwalker1982

    @4

    I sure hope so man. Cause there are clear examples now that show it’s really time for next-gen. As nice as Far Cry 3 is, it suffers from heavy screentearing and blurring on consoles and it’s clearly a game that was meant for much better consoles..but they aren’t around. Crysis 3 next year is gonna be another example. There are a few exceptions…Halo 4 and Hitman Absolution look great and run great. But yeah…next year has to be the introduction of the next-gen.

    #9 1 year ago
  10. Dave Cook

    @10 the frame rate makes me nauseous. No joke.

    #10 1 year ago
  11. Sini

    There is massive amount of kickstarter games that will be dropping throughout 2013 that I’m more excited about than the triple A stuff next year.

    #11 1 year ago
  12. death_489

    @deathm00n
    Well , at least you have many many games you didn’t play , so i dont blame you , i for one have been playing since 2007 on this generation consoles , i played all the normal and great games , I’m sick of it , even if the game is great like the last of us or gears of war the hype still gone , the tech is very old , just play fac cry 3 on consoles and then go play it in pc , you will understand why i want the next generation consoles in this moment , great ideas wasted on this old tech , it could be a lot better and really impress us …

    6 years are enough for this generation , anyone says otherwise are new to this old consoles , the sooner it released the better for everyone , i will get what i want and by the time you get bored of these consoles , next generation consoles will be cheaper for you , it will be updated and fixed , you will see a huge collection of games , many friends of yours will move on to them and that will make you excited to play with them …etc

    you see , it’s you who will have fun more then us since you just started playing , so believe it or i will kill you :P ..

    #12 1 year ago
  13. Dave Cook

    @13 you’re definitely not alone there I’d wager.

    #13 1 year ago
  14. Dragon246

    @Dave
    “Wii U is lambasted the world over by critics of its tablet controller, but let me ask you this: how often do you sit playing a game, get stuck and then reach to your phone or tablet to look up a strategy guide or its wiki page?

    Now imagine a format where you can do this without having to reach for that secondary, third party device made by Apple or Samsung, or get up to sit at your PC to get the information you need. ”
    May I provide a solution that’s much easier? Just make a console capable of pausing the game and browsing the net simultaneously like vita. I look out for trophy guides often and instead of reaching out to phone or tablet, I simply pause the game, open the web on vita, look out and then return to the game, all seamless.

    Second screen idea feels like a marketing gimmick to me, a “devolution” of sorts just to allow a company to sell you 2 screens at once, often the most costly piece of tech in a device.
    Almost everything that 2 screen systems do can be done on a single screen with no problems whatsoever. Only special thing remains is “remote play” stuff but that is also moot for people with constant access to televisions, and handhelds exist for that reason.

    PC remained the same for all these years with same old trusty mouse and keyboard, do we really need new controllers to enjoy games now?

    Otherwise, I agree with all other points. Next year will be amazing. At last a E3 with unbridled excitement.

    #14 1 year ago
  15. deathm00n

    @14 Yeah fellow Death, you are right. This happened to me when I bought my PS2, I bought it when the PS3 was already at the market but did have a very good experience with it. Hope they still continue to launch current gen titles for more time like they did with PS2. I would get the next gen if in my country consoles were cheaper.

    @16 I’m with you Dragon, I don’t see the need to change the way we play, we did good with Analog Sticks and Buttons for almost 20 years and I’m still not bored of it. It’s like changing how we drive our cars, removing the pedals and adding a touchscreen to choose what to do, brake or accelerate.

    #15 1 year ago
  16. Dave Cook

    @16 “just make a console capable of pausing the game and browsing the net simultaneously like vita”

    I agree that’d be easier yeah, but then it doesn’t give them a new shiny, gimmicky control to wave in front of your face. That’s what they’re all going to go for – Sony and Microsoft – I believe.

    #16 1 year ago
  17. SplatteredHouse

    I don’t know why anyone would wait until E3 to reveal their new machines. After all, no-one can show new games until the machines are revealed, I would guess. I would think it makes far greater sense to show new consoles in April-time, which would give a couple of quarters for awareness to be raised, questions to be answered, the “market” to get used to what’s on the way, get interested in what’s actually shown, and then, set it all off around the latter part of the year.

    I don’t think E3 has the weight of importance. Why arbitrarily wait that long, when they could have extra time to present and market the key thing, the games, by bucking tradition, and put E3 squarely in its adapted place of an American video games expo?

    #17 1 year ago
  18. DrDamn

    @16
    “Just make a console capable of pausing the game and browsing the net simultaneously like vita.”

    Wii-U can do this too, and it’s only just been added to Vita. Wii-U can do quite a lot of stuff whilst the game is paused (eShop, MiiVerse, Browser).

    “Almost everything that 2 screen systems do can be done on a single screen with no problems whatsoever. Only special thing remains is “remote play” stuff but that is also moot for people with constant access to televisions, and handhelds exist for that reason.”

    You can’t do local couch based MP asymmetric gaming on a single screen – something NintendoLand demonstrates well. ZombiU would also lose a lot with a single screen too. The way the screen works with the atmosphere is great. Hell even apps like Netflix are improved by having the second screen for info without overlaying on the main screen. So no – remote play isn’t the only special thing remaining.

    #18 1 year ago
  19. Gadzooks!

    The WiiU controller is the future of all console controllers. It really is that simple.

    #19 1 year ago
  20. Dave Cook

    @21 yep, I agree entirely.

    #20 1 year ago
  21. Erthazus

    So awesome. In 2012 consoles finally can simultaneously pause the game and browse the net at the same time. Wooooah.

    That thing you could do since Windows 95. LOL

    #21 1 year ago
  22. monkeygourmet

    So when MS and Sony try and copycat Nintendo’s controller idea’s (only a matter of time), will people finally give them some Kudos?

    Im sure the tablet controller interface will suddenly be seen as the best thing evaarrr…

    Fact is, Nintendo takes the initial risk, MS and Sony jump on once they know the boat has stopped wobbling.

    Time and time again.

    #22 1 year ago
  23. monkeygourmet

    @23

    PC Master race detected…

    #23 1 year ago
  24. Erthazus

    @24, It’s not really a Nintendo’s idea.

    you could already see the future. It’s the future of tablets. Of course there will be controllers with screen (From Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony.) Nintendo was just “First!11″ and it’s not a good and innovative idea really.

    It’s actually a bad idea.

    http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/project-fiona-skyrim.png here is the future of Sony! By the way, this is Razer’s Project Fiona from CES 2012 and it looks like an iPad vs PS Move :D

    #24 1 year ago
  25. Moonwalker1982

    It’s no doubt gonna be very interesting year. In terms of all kinds of things. Will MS and Sony announce their new systems before or during E3? What will they bring us? What is Nintendo going to do? Curious about all kinds of things gaming.

    #25 1 year ago
  26. Da Man

    You can’t really argue with insane, deprived people. There’s zero logic and zero sense in their psychotic ramblings.

    For instance, why would you compare Operating Systems with game consoles? Was it possible to play Xbox quality videogames on a PC with 64 Mb Ram?

    Sometimes I start wondering if they’re that dumb or that poor at communicating (at least in engrish)..

    #26 1 year ago
  27. aaron_avelino

    Agreed, i thought of this long time ago. the reason why there are no major releases after march, april or may 2013 is because the devs are gearing up for next gen. i always tell this to my girlfriend and now dave has an article exactly what’s in my mind. nice article man!

    #27 1 year ago
  28. OlderGamer

    Well, imo, the next gen is already here. If you are speaking strickly about graphics, and that is fools gold, then better looking systems will be here in a year or two. However if graphics are your defenition of next gen consoles, aren’t you already a PC gamer? If not, you should be(when MS/Sony put out new systems they will be dated graphicly vs PC before they even luanch).

    I look at function and gameplay. I fully agree that WiiU controler changes everything. On so many levels.

    So, imo, Nintendo has already kicked off the Next Gen. Sure I am looking forward to seeing what comes next from both Sony and MS. But while I wait…I am going to enjoy the WiiU. Prolly going to keep playing it even when the “Big” boys come out too, imagine that.

    #28 1 year ago
  29. Erthazus

    ” Was it possible to play Xbox quality videogames on a PC with 64 Mb Ram?”

    Was there a PC with 64 MB Of Ram at that time for people that play shitty xbox quality videogames on the PC? 64 MB Of Ram PC at that time costed 15-30$
    Yeah, exactly, you can’t argue with insane and deprived people!

    P.S. and btw, you could play with 64 mb of ram.

    #29 1 year ago
  30. Da Man

    Xbox had exactly the same quality videogames as a 2001 PC, you unbelievable idiot.

    #30 1 year ago
  31. manamana

    @Dave you totally forgot about THE LAST OF US. And yes, can’t wait to see what is coming next E3. That said, Halo4 looks and plays gorgeous. It’s always been like that, the best looking games at the end of a console cycle…

    #31 1 year ago
  32. Erthazus

    Not even close. All of the Xbox ports on the PC looked much better, had much better resolution up to HD.

    Even your precious Halo had much better visuals and resolution.

    The difference was at 80%. Then, since 2002 when Direct X9 launched I won’t even argue here about “Quality” of Xbox games.

    #32 1 year ago
  33. Dave Cook

    @33 it hasn’t been dated :)

    I said that there was nothing in the triple-a big blockbuster sector beyond March that has a solid release date, nut yeah The Last of Us looks brilliant. Can’t wait for it!

    #33 1 year ago
  34. Da Man

    Erzatwat, only the most moronic people are that prone to communications. It’s like talking to a wall on acid. You truly are literally an idiot. Since otherwise you played too much games and went nuts. Not even joking..

    Xbox had exactly the same NolF, Halo, MoH and everything. Reason the resolution was 640×480 was due to Crt TVs supporting only that.

    You can’t name a single difference between Direct3D 9 and 8.. Who are you kidding except yourself?

    #34 1 year ago
  35. Dragon246

    @DrDamn
    “MP asymmetric gaming” cant be done on single screen, I agree. But it will never be the mainstay way to play games. Party based games and some others genres may get better, but most wont imo.
    And about ZombieU, I can find at least as much, if not more people who agree with me that 2 screen feels awkward at best, not only on zombieu, but other games like ac armored edition too.

    Also to people shouting “FIRST”, continue to do so.

    2 screens may become standard, not because it makes sense to a some people, but because it makes business sense as I stated earlier.

    Some things are innovations, some are gimmicks. Let me give an example, thumb sticks arrived on consoles nearly 2 decades ago, and still remain a preferred way to play.
    Thats evolution.
    Now lets see the latest out of fashion fad in gaming, motion controls. Which came in fashion 6 years ago and now sells nothing. It was successful, but people quickly got bored, a hallmark of a gimmick.

    Anything game related (for single player) can easily be performed by a single screen , as has been done for 4 decades now.

    PC gaming remains a great example of how hardware gimmicks are not needed to produce great games.

    #35 1 year ago
  36. Da Man

    By the way, you two guys make an excellent tandem. 24/7 here as usual I see.

    #36 1 year ago
  37. DrDamn

    @37
    “I can find at least as much, if not more people who agree with me that 2 screen feels awkward at best”

    Like you I suspect they’ve not actually played the game or a WiiU for any length of time either.

    #37 1 year ago
  38. Dragon246

    @39
    Maybe look at some less than glowing reviews of ac and zombieU.

    Have something to say about motion controls? It also was a new way to play, but now…..
    Moral of the story, new hardware gimmicks are not needed to make a great games as great games on PC shows.

    Ever played Farcry 2, these same ideas of real time map viewing (with no pause in games), using phone and others were there. It was a bad idea for many at that time. But now since people have bought an expensive console to play those same ideas (which could easily be performed on single screen as demonstrated by FC2) in games, it becomes a fashionable thing and a thing for the future.

    #38 1 year ago
  39. Gadzooks!

    #40

    Best not to comment on what you don’t understand.

    /glib reply

    No mate, you very obviously do not understand how the WiiU works.

    #39 1 year ago
  40. polygem

    i am so happy with the wii u atm. the gamepad works great. it really is a game changer. the coop in mario for example is just plain awesome.
    i am totally relaxed now and will just sit and wait what msony will bring to the table. i expect at least one of them coming out with a new console fall/winter 13, as dave described very well in this article, EVERYTHING screams for that. both will have tablets for sure, they will copy miiverse too and they really should because it is just great, if you used it once, you don´t want to go back to the boring xbl friendslist, writing mails with the controller (annoying), we don´t have to start with sonys social ambitions, it´s outdated and it shows while miiverse feels fresh and modern. that´s just how it is and that makes the wiiu a true next gen machine for me.
    nintendo launched an awesome device with wiiu, they nailed the zeitgeist with this and it is perfect timing too.
    i plan to buy either sony OR ms next gen. have wiiu and 3ds and will keep them but will only upgrade to ps4 or nextbox. the fight is, again, between msony.

    #40 1 year ago
  41. DrDamn

    @40
    So that’s a “no” to having played it or used one then?

    The core difference with the implementation in ZombiU is that the feature fits well with the game.

    #41 1 year ago
  42. monkeygourmet

    Zombie U is a perfect example of what I would call a ‘next gen game’.

    Absolutely incredible experience and unlike anything I’ve played before.

    I don’t think I’ve ever been so scared in a game before, literally gritting my teeth in fear through certain sections.

    With out the pad it just wouldn’t work.

    #42 1 year ago
  43. polygem

    @Dragon. i played nsmb u for 3 hours straight this saturday, coop with my girlfirend, she was on the pad helping me out by creating blocks and slowing down enemies, while i was mario doing his thing….long story short: it was awesome fun! girlfriend isn´t into gaming at all but she´s totally addicted to the game, next day first thing she wanted to do was playing mario. we only need a few levels and we´re through. i think it will be the first game she really “completed” and she truly enjoyed every second of it.
    sure, a great game is a great game no matter how it looks or how the controll set up is BUT with the touchpad implemented well you can really have a game changer which adds a lot of fun to the game and lets harcore and casual gamers enjoy THE SAME GAME AT THE SAME TIME…i think that´s genius.

    you´re (again) way too fast to call things “gimick” and “not needed”, you haven´t even really tried yourself, that´s what annoys me the most about this.

    #43 1 year ago
  44. monkeygourmet

    @Dragon

    You like JRPGs but can’t see how the pad would help genres like that? I’m glad you don’t develop games! :)

    To be honest, I’m going to find it hard to go back to gaming with just the one screen now!

    #44 1 year ago
  45. powerbuoy

    I really, _really, hope that Sony will team up with Google (and Android) on the PS4. That way we’d have that “all devices connected”-functionality out of the box. Not to mention you’d be able to play every Android game and use every Android app immediately on your PS4. No more waiting for a decent browser or a YouTube-app. Tablets, Phones, SmartTVs and PS4 all connected through Android.

    #45 1 year ago
  46. Dragon246

    @41
    So you are saying you need to buy a hardware (by the way, I am referring to useless hardware which people feel essential for “innovations” , which just isn’t true) to comment on it? Not a very bright idea.

    @43
    I definitely haven’t bought it (as you can guess). I played it for 1-2 hours in one of biggest electronics markets (grey market I should add as official release schedule in my country follows eu launches with 2-3 days delay) and came out unimpressed. As I said earlier, these ideas are present in many games like FC2 and are pretty well implemented on a single screen. These ideas are great, that’s why fc2 is one of the best games this gen for me. Let me add Last of Us here too, which has real time resource management on a single screen and from what I have seen so far (E3), looks great.
    Ideas don’t need hardware, they need great software.

    As I said, what happened to all-mighty motion controls now? Still waiting for a great game which sells me on that.

    My problem is all these “new” ideas are not new, they are here for years and well implemented in countless games. But many people just brand them “new and revolutionary” as now its attached to a specific console.
    I am very skeptical about these “exotic” hardware since I was completely right about motion gaming, which sucks to this day.

    @46
    “You like JRPGs but can’t see how the pad would help genres like that? I’m glad you don’t develop games! ”
    Well, I would have revisited my opinion IF a JRPG , good or not was even slated for release in wiiu launch window, let alone launch.

    #46 1 year ago
  47. deathm00n

    @47 Thinking about it, if Sony and MS follow Nintendo with the gamepad idea, Xbox will have the Surface and Windows Phone, but sony don’t have tablets or phones that have a unique OS (they have only one tablet in their products but I don’t know wich OS it have, think it’s android), if google can give them the license to use android this could be their second screen. And you got admit there’s a lot of people with android, more than people with iPhones. Sony can atract a bigger consumer base with this. But Google is a question mark, you never know what they will do until BANG it’s here!
    This is a very wild assumption, but could work

    #47 1 year ago
  48. Gadzooks!

    #48

    You havent played a WiiU. That much is obvious.

    #48 1 year ago
  49. Dragon246

    @50
    Its also obvious that you are very bright.
    If you have got nothing to say, why not move on?

    #49 1 year ago
  50. DrDamn

    @49
    The core problem with Smartglass or Vita/Android interactivity is that it’s not standard and will never feel part of the same system. A screen in your standard controller is intrinsically linked and tied to the system. That’s part of what makes it work.

    #50 1 year ago
  51. polygem

    @Dragon: “Ideas don’t need hardware, they need great software”

    i totally agree with you about that, in fact this is my dogma, my problem here is that you would be the first bashing a kirby game as a kids game while many of the kirby games are just that: great games, with great ideas on pretty weak hardware. nintendo is king in that department. thing is, that´s something you always criticized…now you are turning everything upside down just because in this case it fits better for you.

    “As I said, what happened to all-mighty motion controls now? Still waiting for a great game which sells me on that.”

    Metroid Prime
    Zelda Skyward Sword
    Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 coop

    #51 1 year ago
  52. Gadzooks!

    #51

    You tried to bluff, got caught out talking shit and are embarrased so you lash out by rage-typing.

    When the red mist clears you will be able to appreciate the delicuous irony of your bile-spattered ranting.

    #52

    This is the crux of it. Every WiiU sold has a gamepad, and the screen and controller are one unit. Not a separate screen+controller.

    This is the only way it can work, the only way it will be adopted wholesale by developers.

    A screen on its own (smartglass) or as an optional extra (Vita) simply will not provide what WiiU provides, ever.

    #52 1 year ago
  53. Da Man

    He’s 12 years old..

    And if it was about Teh Cell and teh Phony he would be nagging on about hardware making software. Or something like that.

    #53 1 year ago
  54. polygem

    @52: i agree. if they want it to work, they have to sell it as one package…

    #54 1 year ago
  55. DrDamn

    @56
    This is where I think the WiiU wins over the Wii. It was the same situation with the Wii – it needed to be packed in, but at the same time as providing something fresh and new it hampered some games. A lot of standard games just didn’t work as well with motion controls. With the gamepad the screen can add something to any game, even if it is just remote play or something basic. It’s never going to hamper a game though because it has all the regular features.

    #55 1 year ago
  56. Fin

    Software is everything with a console. Sure, a first-party is always going to take full advantage of hardware, but success relies on third parties.

    The big question in my mind is will the Wii U be supported by third parties (moreso than Wii was). Honestly, I can’t see it happening. Sure, they might be able to produce unique games on it, but publishers aren’t going to fund bespoke AAA games to fit Wii U when they can fund a single team that can make a sim-ship AAA game for PS4/720/PC – I’m not including Wii U (with Pro controller) in this as when the “proper” next-gen comes, the tech is going to be so superior to Wii U’s internals it’s going to result in an last-gen (PS3/360/WiiU) and next-gen (PS4/720) split in development.
    Next-gen games (the next Call of Duty, Sleeping Dogs, whatever), will come out on PS4/720, the versions (ports?) released on 360/PS3/Wii U will be functionally and technically identical (to each other), and the Wii U will eventually get left behind when third parties move away from last-gen.

    Ye can talk about how fun and different and new the Wii U is, but that doesn’t mean anything if the average core consumer sees the “best” (graphics & online system) version of CoD 14 or FIFA 2015 on a different console.

    Sure, it might win out on the casual consumers (though I think this is equally unlikely, because of the shift to tablet and phone gaming), but it’s not going to hold the core’s interest (outside of first party) past 2014.

    #56 1 year ago
  57. blackdreamhunk

    I am getting ready to upgrade my pc for next year!

    #57 1 year ago
  58. Len

    BDH! Where have you been hiding?

    I’m doing the same tbh.

    #58 1 year ago
  59. blackdreamhunk

    I am still around I check p gaming news almost every day on vg247

    #59 1 year ago
  60. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ Wow! So the illuminati didn’t kidnap you, then?

    #60 1 year ago
  61. blackdreamhunk

    nope they are besy trying to start up world war 3 and gobal Global Economic Collapse lol

    The Day the World Ended – WW3 Simulation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJdgudIUHzs

    Brzezinski Still Admits The Global Political Awakening Proving Very Difficult For The Elite.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHknL5z8f6k

    What’s eating the global economy?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu-72WrXqng&feature=g-all

    Albert Pike and Three World Wars Illuminati Agenda

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIOpsf40Nko

    #61 1 year ago
  62. OlderGamer

    “Sure, a first-party is always going to take full advantage of hardware, but success relies on third parties.”

    I would disagree with you somewhat Fin. Nintendo has been working without much 3rd party support for a couple of gens now. The Wii being their biggest seller and the core trip A 3rd party guys didn’t have much of an impact of that sucsess. I also think that this gen JPN throws their weight behind the WiiU and not the PS4. I think it is easier to program for and cheaper(then PS4 will be). That is going to matter alot for devs/pubs that don’t sell the large western audiances like they once did. I think in JPN wins both handheld and console markets soundly.

    That should translate to increased 3rd party support from JPN companies. Studios like Capcom, Namco, Sqrenx, tecmo, etc.

    Would also like to point out that from games like ZombiU, AssCredIII, DSII, Madden/FIFA13, are all 3rd party. Infact, most of the software out for the system is 3rd party. Will 3rd party games stop once MS/Sony launch their new systems? Maybe. But prolly not too much. So long as their is a user base, EA will still their sports games. Infact most 3rd party games will prolly come out using current gen game engines(tweaked). But I would imagine that some games won’t target the WiiU. And if they don’t, I think Nintendo is still going to be fine. Again, they did just fine last gen.

    #62 1 year ago
  63. Len

    @64 it’s good to have you and your linkage back! ;)

    You waiting for the Haswell’s next year or jumping sooner? I’m gonna try and hang on and in the meantime upgrade the gfx card again (4Gb 670 to a similar 680).

    #63 1 year ago
  64. blackdreamhunk

    @66 len

    I am waiting for the new nvidia graphics cards to come out next year. My gtx 470 nvidia is over heating when I play some of the new pc games for too long. Yea I might wait for the Haswells too.

    #64 1 year ago
  65. OlderGamer

    I am so sad lol, I am hoping my wife buys me an off the shelf 60usd-80usd graphics card for xmass. I bought a second PC a bit back and it was so good I could run everything on it that I used to run on my old, but could run em w/o a dedicated card. Hoping to get a card so i can play a few of the Steam games I have built up.

    You guys throw away tech I don’t even have yet.

    #65 1 year ago
  66. TheOutcastWolf

    Sony said that they weren’t going to do a new table console this soon… Well better for me I guess…

    #66 1 year ago
  67. monkeygourmet

    @68

    Yep, PC arms race…

    I’m so out of the PC gaming set up. I’ve considered building a super rig, but I know it’ll be a folly.

    I’ll spend half my time just trying to get games running to my desired specs (if I’m gaming on PC I liked everything maxed out if I’ve spent that much), then spend half my game time tweaking…

    I swear people like Erth spend most of their time downloading and tweaking rather than actually playing the game… (never watched ‘Wizard’ in their lives), I know I did.

    My girlfriend got an i7 gaming laptop recently, it’s not the best, but its highlighted how annoying I find PC gaming. It’s not changed since I used to have a rig about 10 years ago…

    Loads of fucking about and in the end your playing the same game as PS3 / 360 owners…

    Erth’s view on Far Cry 3 on another thread summed it up really. He didn’t like it…

    I swear his crazy PC über mentality stops him enjoying games anymore, I used to feel the same when I had a good rig. Graphics power is a bottomless pit, you’re never satisfied.

    #67 1 year ago
  68. Erthazus

    “I swear people like Erth spend most of their time downloading and tweaking rather than actually playing the game…”

    I can download a 20 GB Game (there are maybe 2-5 games that have 20+ GB memory) in 15-20 minutes and while it is downloading I’m playing other games with good control setup and nice visuals, sound and what tweaking? Changing graphical options? LOL?

    “My girlfriend got an i7 gaming laptop recently,”

    Buying laptops for gaming is the most retarded thing ever on this planet. It’s like buying a PS3 as a Blu Ray player only.

    “Erth’s view on Far Cry 3 on another thread summed it up really. He didn’t like it…”

    Because it is a mediocre game and I’m not the only one who said that in that thread.

    “Loads of fucking about and in the end your playing the same game as PS3 / 360 owners…”

    but with 60 frames per second, with V-sync, Full HD Resolution, without stupid controller with a touchscreen that offers nothing to the gameplay.

    #68 1 year ago
  69. polygem

    all i have to add: i have a sighthound called susi…no shit. if this would be miiverse i’d draw a picture of that bitch, highest setting 12XAA, full rez and all.

    #69 1 year ago
  70. monkeygourmet

    @Erth

    20 gb file in 15 mins?

    Enjoying the newsgroups much? You’ve already admitted you pirate the shit out of Wii games, why not admit you don’t pay for PC games either..?

    About the laptop, I said to you before: she writes for various games websites and needs to edit video and do lots of multitasking on the move, gaming is a by product. Still enough to have a taster of the ambrosia you call steam and gaming nirvana.

    Remember, I used to game on the PC, NOTHING has changed in the grand scheme of things.

    Better graphics, same gameplay.

    I’m glad your not enjoying Far Cry 3 with uber bells and whistles and V Sync and 10000080p…

    Case in point, it’s the same game I’m playing on my £150 Xbox 360 rather than your £1000 rig lol! :D

    #70 1 year ago
  71. OlderGamer

    I pretty much just love games. PC games included. My fav games to play on PC are Civ V and PSOBB. And a host of Indie games. I am completly envious of folks like Erth. And I mean that. He has forgoten more about PCs then I know. And he has several valid points about PC gaming, it is awesome. But in the end I feel a lot like Poly and MonkeyG(and others) lots of know how and money and pretty much the same experience as found on a console. However, it has come a long ways in the past ten years. I now have my pc in my living room on a large screen TV(for example). And I can’t play games like Diablo III, Torchlight II, and Civ. Of all of the platforms PC is the only one that is fully BC and it has the most exclsuives!

    I just feel like a smuck because I am excited about getting a video card that are so bad by comparasion.

    #71 1 year ago
  72. Erthazus

    “Enjoying the newsgroups much? You’ve already admitted you pirate the shit out of Wii games, why not admit you don’t pay for PC games either..?”

    Show me a place where I can buy Wii Games on my PC for Dolphin emulator then we will talk. I pay for every game on the PC. There is no game on the market for the PC that I pirated with exception when I was a little kid. I buy all my games and I have Blizzard games collection at home for your info.

    “she writes for various games websites and needs to edit video and do lots of multitasking on the move, gaming is a by product.”

    Playing games on the Laptop is okay, but laptop as a main gaming platform is retarded.
    She writes for various gaming websites aka surfing on the facebook and that is fine and it is the same thing If someone bought PS3 for games and he uses PS3 to watch movies sometimes on it. It’s logical.

    ” Still enough to have a taster of the ambrosia you call steam and gaming nirvana.”

    that’s not enough for nirvana, that’s enough to make your laptop having issues with hardware. Unless you are buying laptops from Alienware, but that is also retarded because costs are jaw dropping.

    “Better graphics, same gameplay.”

    Not true at all. The difference between games like from 6th gen consoles and 7th is decent and that is because of more powerfull machines. Better machines, better scale, environment, gameplay in the end. Hardware is not just about graphics, it’s about everything else.

    “20 gb file in 15 mins?”

    yeah, easy. I use Fiber-optic communication for my internet. 20 GB for 15 or 35 minutes is not a big deal.

    #72 1 year ago
  73. blackdreamhunk

    reasons why it’s worth to be a pcgamer

    http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/2012-2/

    I think the new gaming consoles are going to have as much sales numbers as this generation. I willing to bet next generation of consoles will have mmos must likely free to play.I want to see the new consoles but I can’t picture them being that great. Graphics are going to get minor enhancements and game play will be must likely the same.

    #73 1 year ago
  74. stretch215

    I really hope the sony/ms don’t go the route of the “tablet” controller. It doesn’t add any features that I’m interested in. I prefer all my info on one screen.

    #74 1 year ago
  75. Digital Bamboo

    It’s been over 4 years since I had a decent gaming PC, & while I sometimes miss the precise control that a mouse & keyboard offer (especially for FPS), & certain types of games that don’t translate well to consoles, I have to agree that the endless optimization, tweaking, and large amounts of fucking about that go along with running games on PC are a major pain in the ass. Unless you have a ton of spare time on your hands and/or a great deal of knowledge about computers, it’s not really worth it to game on PC.

    Like monkey, I often felt half my game time was eroded by all the bullshit, & after a certain point, that became unacceptable. Had I the extra time, money & the skills to cut through all the shit, would I choose to play Far Cry 3 on PC, rather than PS3? Fucking right I would. But I’d play consoles too. Each have their own great exclusives, unique experiences, strengths, & weaknesses.

    Do I want to see a tablet controller from MS & Sony? Not really. I think their controllers are well suited to their purposes. The Wii U pad may be innovative, but there’s true innovation & then there’s “innovation” just for the sake of keeping up, or doing something different. We all saw this already in the current generation with motion control. I hope MS & Sony cut their own paths, rather than try to play catch up with something that doesn’t fit their brands.

    Personally, all I want out of a new generation is better games. I honestly don’t give a shit about any extraneous, online, this-system-can-do-everything features. Games–plain & simple.

    I noticed the lack of solid release dates for PS3 after a certain point a while ago, and thought it may signal a shift towards next-gen, but Fall 2013? I’d be very surprised if PS4/720 came out before Winter. I’d even be surprised if they came out next year. Aren’t major consoles usually announced at least a year in advance?

    #75 1 year ago
  76. Dragon246

    This getting more hilarious the more I think about it. Ever played Fallout 3? PipBoy 3000 performs all the functions that a gamepad is supposed to do and with, voila! A SINGLE SCREEN!
    Its frankly ridiculous to believe this “new way to play” thing. Game designers are hardly ever constraint by hardware, and if they do, its generally graphics. Its called video games for a reason. The biggest reason people are clamoring for new consoles is better graphics, not new ways to play. Anyone who visits a multitude of gaming sites will know this from comments.

    In short, games like ZombieU add nothing new to experience except forcing you to look into 2 screens, a design that is a devolution of existing game mechanics that incorporate those things easily on a single screen , and that too years ago.

    @DrDamn
    Its true that wiiu, unlike wii has options to somewhat play a game traditionally. That is why it scores higher than wii in my books. But remove that pad and all you are left with is a ps3/360 clone that is 7 years late. Only people I see this grabbing are people waiting for next zelda/mario and other ninty exclusives.
    2 screens definitely have the advantage in party games, but how many people buy a 350$ console just for party games.
    I am guessing tvii will be a bigger selling point for wiiu than games for casual gamers. But its also something 360/ps3 have been doing for ages.

    @Poly
    See that 350+ comment page again to clear your doubts. I NEVER said x game is for kids. You are again making false assumptions. Others (you should know who)were saying that, not me.

    @78
    I am sure none of them will be released next year.Although the delay in announcements is understandable as 360 and ps3 continue to sell well, with ps3 having an uptick in black friday sales yoy. WiiU was announced early as by then, wii had lost steam.
    As you said, innovation just for the sake of it is a gimmick, like motion gaming.
    I also haven’t had a good gaming rig for 2 years now. But I would love to return to that after 7 months (buying a new rig then). I really love those progress bars (guilty pleasure I guess) and all those customization stuff. Only thing I hate about pc gaming is stupid always-on connection that some games ask.

    @OG,
    “I also think that this gen JPN throws their weight behind the WiiU and not the PS4. I think it is easier to program for and cheaper(then PS4 will be). That is going to matter alot for devs/pubs that don’t sell the large western audiances like they once did. I think in JPN wins both handheld and console markets soundly.”
    Couldn’t be more wrong. Despite its lower price, wii sold 2-3 million more than ps3 and ps3 has the leadership position for 3 years now. All japanese console exclusives belong to ps3 like Tales, Yakuza and so on. Ninty just cant beat that.
    Also ps3 will be easier to develop for as its based on pc hardware and most japanese game engines (crystal tools, platinum games engine etc.) are developed with sony console as the lead platform. SE is even expecting lower budgets for next gen as they have a more streamlined and efficient engine now. Did games on pc have higher dev costs because of better graphics? NO. Its just an excuse to increase prices and increasing prices is because of inflation (prices always rise, your income rises too) not graphics.

    #76 1 year ago
  77. Digital Bamboo

    @79 Yeah, not wanting to hurt their own sales does make sense.

    But just to be clear, I wasn’t trying to suggest that motion gaming (or tablet pads) are a gimmick, only that MS & Sony shouldn’t feel they need to follow suit, because what (sometimes) works on a Nintendo system, doesn’t necessarily work on theirs. In other words, MS & Sony should innovate–if it means better games–in their own way. If they can deliver better games while keeping virtually the same controllers, then they should do that.

    #77 1 year ago
  78. Dragon246

    @80
    Sorry, it felt from my comment that you were saying the gimmick thing. Thats my opinion.

    #78 1 year ago
  79. Erthazus

    ” I have to agree that the endless optimization, tweaking, and large amounts of fucking about that go along with running games on PC ”

    Sometimes I don’t understand humanity.

    What tweaking? What do you do on the PC that is going to make you suffer for hours playing game like Far Cry 3?

    #79 1 year ago
  80. polygem

    @Dragon: no sir it adds a lot to the gameplay. i played nsmb u coop….i know. i also played nintendoland couch mp. havent played zombi u mp yet but this too looks as if it will add a lot to the game. how is it ridiculous to believe in `the new way to play` thing? it really is a new way. totally. nsmbu was the most fun in mp i had in a while. you just cannot compare this to the pipboy, i dont even know what you mean with this comparison. the pipboy is an ingame menue, nothing else, while in both games i described the tablet is used to expand the gameplay.
    i think you are lying to yourself (again) because you do not have the system but somewhere in your gamer heart you just want to catch them all as if they were pokemons. thats ok and i respect every opinion but comparing the wiiu to the pipboy isnt a valid argument, it makes zero sense and someone should tell you.

    #80 1 year ago
  81. Dragon246

    @poly
    real time map functionality
    real time upgrades to characters
    inventory management
    and so on….
    This is what the pad is supposed to do, and all these features can be easily accessed on single screen in a greatly designed game.
    Feel free to tell about features that pad can do and have no existing solutions.After all you have more experience on wiiu than I have and I may have missed something during my playtime with it. I am all ears.

    #81 1 year ago
  82. Digital Bamboo

    @Erthazus I don’t know about Far Cry 3, but back when I had a PC that could play games (I wouldn’t call it a gaming PC actually) I remember spending hours on this stuff specifically: http://www.tweakguides.com/Farcry_1.html

    If you have a beast of a system then you can likely crank everything and forget about it, but if you had a system like I had, then it was a constant struggle to keep games running smooth, stable & looking good.

    #82 1 year ago
  83. monkeygourmet

    @85

    This.

    Also having so many graphical options makes me deconstruct the game too much.

    It feels like your missing out if you can’t crank shadows up to max or whatever. With a console, you just put up with it.

    #83 1 year ago
  84. monkeygourmet

    @Dragon

    I think your one of those people that Nintendo aimed the adverts at. You clearly don’t get it.

    It’s completely different having a second screen where you can tweak things ‘on the fly’ rather than pausing a game and bringing up a menu.

    Zombie U is a great example as it mixes both up. By taking away the tablet you would miss the point of the game completely.

    I can’t believe you played one for 2 hours and didn’t see this?!

    #84 1 year ago
  85. Gadzooks!

    #87

    If he had actually played one, he’d get it.

    He hasn’t, so he doesn’t, and even if he had he would play dumb because it isn’t a Sony product, and so he feels obliged to troll it.

    #85 1 year ago
  86. DrDamn

    @Erth
    “yeah, easy. I use Fiber-optic communication for my internet. 20 GB for 15 or 35 minutes is not a big deal.”

    Ummm 15 or 35? Quite a big jump, did you get the calculator out? What is your actual download speed then?

    #86 1 year ago
  87. Dragon246

    @87
    I really didn’t get what is innovative in zombieu, but clearly saw that nintyland is the best party game in a long time. As I didn’t try wiiu out with 5 friends besides me at that time, I couldn’t see its full potential but I could see the fun. Pad really does a good job at local multiplayer, but in terms of single player, it adds precious little, and I really feel its a devolution in game design.
    Besides I am no one to dictate others. If you are enjoying it, fine. Just stating my opinions.

    @88
    Unlike you, I only comment on things I played. You on the other hand are the biggest sony hater here and completely incapable in discussing anything. Why not join DaMan to form the “Vg247 sony trolling brigade”? I was a fool to
    repond to your comments.
    I appreciate others were able to listen to contrasting opinions respectfully. After all, that is what a discussion is.

    #87 1 year ago
  88. DrDamn

    @90
    ZombiU – there is a big immersion difference between having elements like map, backpack, scanner and lock-picking on the controller as opposed to the main screen. It makes you physically look away *and* still be able to glance back whilst carrying out what ever you want to do. This alone makes a huge difference in a survival horror game.

    #88 1 year ago
  89. OlderGamer

    Ok Dragon, I respect you, but again disagre with your opinion.

    In JPN, Nintendo is king. Period. And it isn’t a console thing. Just take a look at the Handhelds in JPN. That is the real market there, I read a piece awhile back saying that Gameboys made up close to 65% of the marketshare. That is huge, because there are competing handhelds, and multi consoles.

    I believe that while Wii sold well in JPN, many console games went to PS3 due to Wiis focus on unique/waggle controls. And even so of the 35% of the market share(after gameboy) that was in play, the Wii still outsold the PS3. This gen WiiU(with its traditional controls and second screen) mirriors and mimics a DS Gameboy. I think JPN will eat it up.

    While duel screens is a newish concept to most of us console types, it is very important to remember that JPN has been very used to it with DS. I know after playing WiiU that having a second screen is awesome. Now when I play on my XB360, I miss it. I imagine how great it would be for Minecraft(played that last night). Once you use one, your going to want to have it in all of your games. The JPNes gamers have been using second screens for years because so many of them play on DS.

    So a second screen via WiiU GamePad is the natural evolution for them when it comes to consoles. Also add into that the costs. Next gen(dev/hardware/software) costs are ‘possed to go up on PS4/xbnxt. But on WiiU the increase was minimal. I believe that will once again put Nintendo into a position where they can offer cheaper games on cheaper hardware.

    I think (esp in JPN) gamers will flock to WiiU. A few key games from 3rd party franchises like DragonQuest and Monster Hunter, and the system will fly off of shelves.

    Keep in mind when most of your nation plays on handhelds, raw console graphic power isn’t a defining feature for you. WiiU is in HD, it looks nice, and will feel like a big screen DS for the living room.

    I suspect VERY strong JPNes support for the system. And if companies feel it is a choice or if Sony strugles(Vita says Hi) to move systems, I believe JPN Devs/Pubs choose WiiU over PS4.

    Next up Dragon is the idea that if you played it, you would like it. I also fully believe that too. If Sony managed to do with its Vita and PS3 what Nintendo offers with its WiiU, I think you would be glowing about it(and the second screen). I had my resurvations too. I was on the fence, and strongly thinking about Ebaying my WiiU. But like Poly, once I got it in the house, the inner gamer couldn’t resist. So glad I didn’t sell it.

    I know it is easy to sit there and shake your head and say second screen gaming is a fade or a gimmick. But you should keep in mind two things it has been rocking the Gameboy scene for a long time. And you haven’t put any quality time on the WiiU.

    WiiU is a game changer. I hope a second screen of somesort is built into MS/Sony controlers next gen. I don’t think it would work as well if the systems used any old generic tablet/phone. It also has to be included at the time of the console purchase. And it needs to be intergrated into the systems dev thought process. If for nothing else, I want maps, radar, stats, and inventory on the second screen. When fools like me talk about Nintendo magic or Nintendo inovation, WiiU gamepad is a prime example. It adds so much. If I could have you over to my house for gaming man, I would. A couple of beers some pizzia and some time with WiiUs same room MP. You would see the thing differently, trust me.

    #89 1 year ago
  90. polygem

    @Dragon: i already mentioned nsmbu…no maps, or inventory: the second player makes little blocks for mario and slows down enemies…simple but superfun. zombi u mp lets one player play the game with a pad in the ego perspective, the other player plays something like a strategy game on the pad, placing zombis…being the AI director or how that was called in Left4Dead. it already shows so much potential.

    #90 1 year ago
  91. Da Man

    Sony256, I’ve spent more money on their shitty products which failed time after time than you and your parents combined. So obviously your inane enthusiasm and idiotic imaginary wars shouldn’t stop people from commenting on how shit Sony are.

    Why not ask parents for some cash to spend on toys, you university student. You passionate young man, You Erzasonys.

    #91 1 year ago
  92. ManuOtaku

    I will like to add that i think the third party support on WiiU will be better than Wii, because of two things, the unity deal and the scability option, one is strong for indies and the other for third party developers, the WiiU will run unreal engine four, and the next big engines, but in scalable form something the wii did not,therefore i believe it will do good on the porting side of things.

    Now another thing it will be third party titles that are unique to the WiiU, that will be another different thing entirely, but i think due the examples of the wii, there will not be that many, unless Zombie U will sell a lot, and future games like it will sell good.

    I dont really see the problem with sony and microsoft following nintendo strategy this gen, if the WiiU is a Success, because they did it with move and kinect, they will do it again, and there is nothing wrong with that IMHO, thats great for gamers all around, playing different things and ideas from all the manufactures.

    #92 1 year ago
  93. Da Man

    Oooh I should’ve not responded to that miserable 12 years old villain.

    I need to listen to some Metal Gear Solid soundtrack to calm myself now. I shouldn’t waste energy, I need to be strong to defend the white forces of Japan, Sony, Playstation, Hideo Kojima and hardcore gamers in blog comment sections.

    #93 1 year ago
  94. OlderGamer

    Not trying to beat a dead horse but:

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-12-04-no-platinum-sellers-at-japans-playstation-awards

    “Sony Japan’s PlayStation Awards, which recognises game sales in the country, has failed to crown any Platinum or Double Platinum award winners this year.

    Titles have to hit 1 million games shipped for the Platinum award or 2 million for Double Platinum, but only Gold awards could be handed out this year, which recognise sales of over 500,000 units. ”

    Like I said, I don’t think Sony wins JPN next gen. I am betting heavy JPN support for WiiU(and ofc continued support for 3DS).

    Normaly JPN doesn’t impact western markets too much, those days are long gone. However if JPN support means even a small but steady stream of western releases of hit JPN RPGs and other games ranging from Capcom, Tecmo/Koei, SQENX, Namco, and more…that could be a very good thing for western WiiU gamers. Would make even more sense if some of these games had GameBoy to WiiU tie ins.

    #94 1 year ago
  95. Gadzooks!

    #97

    You’ll make Dragon0123456789 cry posting such things. Sony is all the poor little mongrel has in the world. Without them he will wither and perish.

    You big meanie!

    #95 1 year ago
  96. Dragon246

    @97
    Look at wii sales or even game sales for last 4 years. Japan was the first major country where wii lost its lead, even before eu and us. Also read my comment on that page, except ninty 3ds games, no other to the best of my knowledge sold more than 1 million copies.
    Also MH is not a console seller, its a handheld one.
    Also, do you know sony owns stake in some major Japanese pubs? THAT is the reason I said sony platform wont ever be abandoned in japan.

    Consult japanese sites to correct some of your facts. There are at least 5-6 games announced this week on vita.

    #96 1 year ago
  97. monkeygourmet

    @99

    You seem to forget Nintendo makes profit on consoles out of the gate.

    It usually takes Sony 2 + years to catch up with them hence the long life cycle this gen.

    It’s funny how the Wii managed to keep up so long, it was old tech too lol! :)

    By the time PS4 comes out, Nintendo will probably be making 70% profit on Wii U, let alone 3DS profit.

    Then Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing (look at jap charts for 3DS version), Pokemon etc…

    They didn’t make the gif, ‘it prints money’ for nothing…

    The PS3 only started breaking even a while into its life, you seem to always ignore that. You assume Sony wanted a 10 year life cycle ‘for the fans’, to get the most out of PS3. It was only to make money back on it!

    And thank god for there mighty 2 speed Bluray drive which kept the cost up for so long. What a wonderful contribution to gaming that was!

    #97 1 year ago
  98. polygem

    “And thank god for there mighty 2 speed Bluray drive which kept the cost up for so long. What a wonderful contribution to gaming that was!”

    LOL. spot on.

    #98 1 year ago
  99. monkeygourmet

    @101

    I wouldn’t be half as down on Sony if they stopped pushing their new media format on us through their consoles.

    Maybe the PS4 will be better, unless Sony have a new format they wish to sell? 4K maybe?!

    I just want my Wii U back! :)

    #99 1 year ago
  100. polygem

    try to be be patient!
    (i couldn´t wait too…)

    #100 1 year ago
  101. Dragon246

    Yep, Blu-ray is so useless that ms is adopting it next-gen…
    If you like 2-4 dvds for a game, fine.
    At least its something that lasts more than one-gen, unlike some gimmicks like motion gaming which died in a single gen and no one gives a damn about them.
    I wouldn’t be half as down on Ninty if they stopped pushing their new gimmicky control format on us through their consoles.

    #101 1 year ago
  102. polygem

    @dragon: NOW is the time for ms to go the bluraypath too. the format battle is over, bluray drives are cheaper, games are becoming bigger, need more space. when sony launched the ps3 Blu ray wasnt really needed for a single game and that situation lastet years, heck even today thats the case. it just started to change. it made the ps3 more expensive though. it was sony aggressiveley pushing formats they want to see in the market. no problem with that, it`s legit…still it`s ok to criticize that as a consumer. NOW is the right time to embrace bluray. nintendo still doesnt need it though, it doesnt mean they are less modern, they just innovate elsewhere. motion gaming or the touchpad or (the soon copied) miiverse might not appeal to you, but this stuff is timed perfectly and brings something fresh to the gamer without extra costs….cannot say that about bluray back then.

    and dragon, why dont you just stop calling everything nintendo `gimmicky`… do you really feel more mature playing on the ps3….in that case you are perfect prey for every marketing guy in this world.

    they are not forcing you on a control format. you can still play cod with a pro controller and its just as if you`d play it on your ps3…you could also play some multiplayer of blops2 in bed if you want though. oh i forgot, you can do that already with the vita and blops declassified…;)

    #102 1 year ago
  103. Dragon246

    @105
    “in that case you are perfect prey for every marketing guy in this world.”
    Says the guy who pities others for not having a console he likes.

    And I am definitely spending my gaming time on vita, the best handheld yet imo. Playing Mutant Blobs Attack, a great game which you get for free on vita via plus.
    At least someone knows how to treat their premium customers well. Did a nice little update today on vita, no sweat, unlike some other console right now.
    If motion gaming was, is and will remain a gimmick. If it was not, tell me why its not a major part of any next-gen console now.

    #103 1 year ago
  104. polygem

    i like ALL the 3 main consoles. i try to tell you that all the time. i just prefer some…
    loved mutant blobs by the way. the best game i played on the vita hands down.
    as far as i know nexbox will have kinect 2.0 included as a standard. i am sure sony will have something similar, wiiu still uses wiimotes: there you go: every next gen console has/ will have motion gaming included somehow. they will also have some sort of touchpad and some sort of miiverse social stuff…

    #104 1 year ago
  105. Dragon246

    @107
    MAJOR part. Except ms, whose kinect is unlike anything before and truly, the best hardware to come out of this gen (its potential, outside of gaming is immense like in medical field, I hope ms sees that), no one is doing that. Just supported, nothing else. Seeing how nintyland is a launch game and wii fit u is not even on the horizon tells a lot.

    #105 1 year ago