Wii U: “Our competitors need to react to what we’re doing”, says Reggie

@48

Same old same old.

Same blinkered view, not understanding what people are trying to say.

@49 – Excuse you on saying Infamous is just average. That series is some of the most fun I’ve ever had gaming. I can’t think of another game that has inspired such maniacal frenzied raving from me at the NPC’s as they ran in terror from me.

Any game that can inspire me to yell, “Bow, you dogs! BOW TO YOUR NEW GOD!” at people who aren’t really there is not an average franchise.

@47 – so, by your logic, instead of creating new IP’s Sony should be making Kratos Paint and Uncharted Card Battle (which I actually think they’re doing…which is fucking stupid) and Ratchet & Clank Go To The Movies and Scott Shelby Sings!

@50

Okay smart arse.

What do you define as an ‘adult’ game?

You keep preaching on about Nintendo = Childish, I own every console, and very rarely do I play a game that I would feel is ‘adult’ in themes.

Unless you mean gore or something, or realistic graphics? If that’s the case you don’t even understand the meaning of the word.

So, what kind of games do you play that make you feel like a big boy?

Edit:

Don’t worry, your comments about infamous spoke volumes!

@47: exactly: mario is not mario, zelda is not zelda and so on. paper mario and galxy are completeley different to each other and nsmb, so are skyward sword and spirit tracks, kirby mass attack and epic yarn, dk country returns and jungle climber. i could go on with those examples…even completeley different genres often. it´s obvious, yet always ignored by so so many…i don´t get it, but i am out of here anway. really don´t want to have the same discussion all over again.

@monkey: i really do respect your patience!

#50 Please man we are talking about new IP´S without any barrier or any issue you want to bring to leassener my point, they do make them or help made new ips, i put all those examples, if you dont like them, fine is your preference or likings, but has anything to do with the point of the existance of new IPS on nintendo side, even if they are only in japan, they are physical not ethereal, they were released over there, they do exist also, they did put, money, time and effort as well, they exist.

Sadly i like all the sony ip´s, but i could have play that game too, saying for instance, i do not care for any Sony IP´S is something only teenagers wet/bloody dreams, i passed that fase i long ago,so i dont count them as new IP´S, i only ask how will i look if i said or think that?

@56 – That’d be your opinion. I’m the first to admit I’m rather dismissive of the different branches of Call of Duty, so I wouldn’t hold that against you if you felt that.

@52

Try Prototype 2 aswell, it will probably give you a hard on.

I guess we must be different ages?

I enjoy those type of games but I actually view them as childish. Funny how age can bring a bit of perspective.

#57 will You be fine if i said that?, i mean that i keep saying sony doenst have new ip´s, because i dont like them, really , more so if i will spent every sony topic or thread, to state the same thing over and over again, saying sony has no new IP´S and the only ones doing new ips were microsoft and nintendo, man with all due respect i dont believe you, you will be the first one to jump onto me for saying those things, which i dont believe for the record here.

@54 – An adult game, to me, is defined by the themes, by the aesthetic, by the complexity of the gameplay, not strictly by the gore or nudity, even though those obviously can be part of it. If it’s something that deals with more grown-up issues, like mortality or politics or sexuality, than that is an adult game.

Games for children tend to stay with bright color palettes, cartoonish designs, and simplistic themes. You’re a guy. You have to rescue the princess. While that can certainly be twisted to be an adult story, the general theme itself is universal enough that children can understand it and so, by itself, it does not qualify as adult, unless other elements are thrown into the storyline/visuals to change that.

@55

I work as a behavioural therapist for people with Autism.

I use these forums as practice for my work!

infamous 1 was really good, not great, 2 really sucked big time (edit: too harsh, but it indeed was average, had to force myself to finish it). if that is the quality we are discussing about i have to agree with monkey, probably totally different ages. different ages AND sun system.
but wait i wanted to ignore….

@58 – I found the Prototype games to be a bit mindless, really. They seemed like they were trying too hard to make my character a “badass” or whatever.

I think one of the main reasons I like the Infamous series more than the Prototype one is that you have a choice with Infamous how to act. You can actually be heroic if you choose. In Prototype, you’re pretty much expected to kill as many innocent bystanders as possible and that’s your only option.

I choose to be evil in the game, but I like that if I wanted to do things the hard way and try to help strangers, I could.

Plus, I’m a New Yorker and I didn’t like how inaccurate the map of NYC was in Prototype. I’m not expecting street-by-street, but there are no elevated lines next to Central Park. GTA IV gave you an idea that the creators knew the city. Prototype does not.

No Clupula, I don’t think that. But I do think it is a bad idea to release so many of the same IP in one gen. Space IP releases out a bit more. Make your fans write you and beg you before you put another one out. Esp if you’re not going to be able to mix up the gameplay.

Alot of Sony franchises don’t lend themself to cross genere play. I mean what if the GoW guy was playing baseball with the girl from Heavenly Sword? You would be like Wtf? But if Mario was pitching to Kirby it just works. So you can have Mario Sluggers.

@60

I would agree with what Michael O Conner has said on here before though..:

Stories on games are usually awful.

Hence gameplay to me will always be king.

Gameplay transcends age, that’s the beauty of it. It can make old people feel young again etc…

A good example would be Wii sports Resort.

My father has been quite ill recently, I brought my Wii over and put on Wii sports resort and loaded the plane flying level.

He could immediately play it, and it brought a huge smile to his face just flying around.

Now, if I’d put on Heavy Rain, he wouldn’t have even bothered looking at it.

So, the supposed maturity of content really is important in the grand scheme of things IMO.

It’s nice to have a mixture but give me Mario Galaxy over Uncharted any day of the week!

Serious point, Nintendo wasn’t taking a risk with the Wii, it would have been taking a risk trying to compete directly with MS and Sony. They competed – and won the sales war – by obviously not competing. Making themselves a viable option by being different. Discuss. (and stop bitching)

@61: OOOOOUCH!

@60: if you really think RDR, GTAIV, infamous, COD, halo are adult games that truly deal “with more grown-up issues, like mortality or politics or sexuality”….man, i suggest to start reading good literature! a new world of MATURE will be opened for you. those games are teen games, nothing else. no shame in enjoying them, i do as well, sometimes because of their cheesyness, that doesn´t make them more mature than paper mario though, not at all.

And for the record, I liked Infamous 2 more than 1. More to do, more interesting mechanics, and the part at the end of the game, if you play the evil route was one of the most powerful feelings I’ve ever felt during a videogame, right up there with the gravity gun at the end of Half Life 2.

I will admit, however, that I did enjoy the first LittleBigPlanet, mostly for the ability to create levels. It’s why I never picked up LitteBigPlanet 2, since I dedicated 45 hours of my life to making a level in the first one, the expanded options the second one gives would have meant I’d have never accomplished anything ever again. Same reason my ex, years ago, banned me from ever buying an RPG Maker.

#66 well thats a valid point Doc, i think it will be the glass of water analogy here, i really see your point, but i think it was a risk, because they went for an unproved and unknown target, they didnt had the certainty it will work, but again great point and pretty valid.

@67

+1

Agreed!

They are teenage power fantasies!

#68 Cupula “Same reason my ex, years ago, banned me from ever buying an RPG Maker”

You know what they say, a married man cannot fight for justice, thats why batman and superman are singles, that applies very well to gamers and their hobby.

@69
Obviously it was a risk in pure terms, but they had to. They didn’t have any other option but to take that sort of risk.

@65 – Interestingly, I’ve managed to get about six women I know who never played videogames before to sit down and play Heavy Rain and afterwards want to buy Playstations. I remember I let one I know start playing and she sat down there for 7 hours until she beat it. She hated videogames before and considered them childish or mindless and that single game changed her mind. The other day she thanked me after beating episode 5 of The Walking Dead, because she said she would have never known videogames were capable of inspiring emotion until I asked her to give Heavy Rain a try.

Interestingly, though, she still tells me she hates games where she has to use the right analog stick to move the camera, but that’s neither here nor there.

#72 Doc , oh yes they didnt had other option, the gamecube establish that in a hard way, a very …very…. under apprecieatted console.

@71 – very true.

@66

I imagined Keanu Reeves meme from Bill and Ted saying that!

It’s a good point though.

It was the move of a confident and understanding stratigist IMO. They had obviously all been reading the ‘book of five rings’!

Move away from the market : Divide
Create new revenue : Conquer

Like a wise old samurai.

I see Sony as the fat feudal lord.

MS is Afro Samurai!

And I’d hardly consider Red Dead Redemption a teenage power fantasy, unless many teenagers dream about losing their horse in the middle of nowhere and skinning rabbits. The others I can see. The developers of Infamous made no bones about the fact that the game is a power fantasy, based on graphic novels. And most people actually seemed to complain that GTAIV was not enough of one.

Are you seriously telling me you didn’t want to shoot a beaver with your big gun when you were a teenager?!

+1 for innuendo.

“And I’d hardly consider Red Dead Redemption a teenage power fantasy, unless many teenagers dream about losing their horse in the middle of nowhere and skinning rabbits.”

They might if they lived in the games time period and setting.

@79

@80 – Alright, I understand it’s a way to relieve your youth, but for most people, it’s not one. :p

@82

Zing!

lol

Reggie your full of shit