‘Slow, horrible’ Wii U: THQ rep unhappy with the way quote has been spun

The rationale I find interesting is the need of *proof* to back up a subjective matter of taste.

Or that arguing someone’s ascetic choice is wrong, because of some random online link… & that digging up said link is contributing.

Millions of consoles of all types sold, millions of games of all types played, but still the inane chatter.

Like Eskimos arguing over their favorite type of snow.

@dragon:

kiss

@erth:

halo and nintendo fan? hell yea! what that makes very clear though: no platform fanboy like you and dragon….and THAT´s a HUGE difference.
but c´mon, smiley for you too. here you go

@47

‘ lame sense of “ownership” and “belonging”…’

Man, such stupidity it’s untrue.

I think im going to stop replying to you in threads now, you really don’t understand where i’m coming from.

Your the biggest fan boy on this site at the moment, you keep throwing around accusations at people on this site who own most major consoles and enjoy gaming in general…

It’s just mental. I mean, we all know you have a hard on for Sony, I just hope at some point you expand your horizons.

Poly, Manu, OG and others have always given credit where it was due to all the major platforms, you however cannot seem to comprehend anything that isn’t Sony branded.

@54
NDF members ganging up to call other people fanboys, epic.
Also, if someone doesn’t have a good enough reply, they like to divert attention, just like you did. SH sales are bad for the industry, just because many people do a wrong thing doesn’t make it right.

“Poly, Manu, OG and others have always given credit where it was due to all the major platforms, you however cannot seem to comprehend anything that isn’t Sony branded.”
Poly and you have given credit to sony? Really? I can provide many links where I supported good ninty decisions, but can you call out even 5 instances where you or poly praised sony?
You and poly never said a thing positive about sony. Just keep hating guys, maybe someday you will realize how stupid your and polys recent comments are.
Again stay classy.

Erzatwat: insane AND idiotic? Wow.

Jesus, here we go again with ‘my console is better than yours’

VG247 – the home of digital cock measurement.

Who gives a fuck which console is better?

MY console IS better than yours… To me… Obviously… I’d justify it with random links & tech speak, but your just gonna have to take my word for it

Anyway on-topic, I’d bet if Nintendo were to offer 4 A Games a chunk of money for a exclusivity deal, that “horrible” CPU, wouldn’t be so bad

@Dragon: you are living in your fantasy world. i guess that´s alright if it makes you feel better.
i praised sony countless times as well as ANYONE else of your so called ndf.
i praised sir dan fortesque as one of my all time fave videogame characters, i praised resistance and ratchet and clank for having some of the most fun videogame weapons, praised the psp, praised journey and sony for embracing these unique ip´s….man, believe it or not, i even use sony headphones to play halo with!!!! blasphemy for someone like you! well i also have a microsoft mouse on my mac mini y´know….i don´t care about this stuff. i care about things i like and those i don´t like. that´s my style of commenting here. yes i didn´t like that many stuff sony did this gen and that shows in my commensts, so what?
why should “I” provide you with links, look it up for yourself! you wont believe it anyway, even if there would be a million links. like i said before, you are obviously the “only hear what i want to hear” type of guy, which makes you the perfect troll.
open your eyes. it will help you in life. open your mind a bit too.

I think all the consoles have strengths and weaknesses, all are pretty darn good in their own way.

@61: indeed

I think we should instill a new rule on VG247.

Any time anyone utters the terms “Nindendo Defense Force”, “Xbot”, and whatever Sony’s fanboy catchphrase is, they should be wiped from the face of the planet, never to be seen again.

Reality is, the moment you start resorting to attacking someone else’s character to make your point, you’ve already lost the argument.

good point

@63 not to mention attacking people’s tastes and opinions, which is just mental.

@Dave: I reserve the right to attack fans of Twilight, both verbally and physically.

@66 I think that’s allowed, no jury would convict you.

@63

It’s difficult when you have articles like the Sony stock Junk though.

Even when you come onto the thread to make a reasonable comment, certain people take it the wrong way then the name’s start flying.

It also doesn’t help that big dev’s like 4A are making ill informed comments like the ones in this article. It only makes people start trolling or worse.

The internet and even the world to a large extent has become a huge trolling exercise. Everytime I log on to Facebook I see trolling articles and adverts, fake photoshop shit just to provoke reaction.

It’s getting to the point that I hardly believe anything I read online. A sad state of affairs.

Even sites like this, Kotaku, Eurogamer etc… Have resorted to misleading or trolling headlines in an effort to get clicks.

The Wii U seems to be getting an absolute shit storm of false information and hate at the moment and it seems to bring out the idiots in the forums.

It’s a good stance that Nintendo hasen’t bothered to release full specs, I guess they are trying to rise above all the bullshit thats being posted at the moment.

The games will speak for themselves, and once again, when the dust settles, Nintendo makes some of the best games no question.

It’s a shame there are so many articles with ‘loaded’ headlines at the moment, even on the sites I trust to give honest opinions.

@68 “Even sites like this, Kotaku, Eurogamer etc… Have resorted to misleading or trolling headlines in an effort to get clicks.”

Absolutely incorrect in the case of VG247. If you perceive a quote to be a trolling headline when the guy literally said those things, then that’s fine, but I’d appreciate it if you didn’t accuse me or anyone else on here of deliberately hit-chasing.

We don’t need it, hit chasing leaves a sour taste in our mouths and yes, I’ve admitted that some of my headlines have been harsh in the past, but they are genuine lapses in judgement and I’m happy to be corrected or swayed by our readers. I’m only human etc.

We aim to inform you and make you happy with our coverage, so the thought that we’d deliberately go against that is absurd. That is the genuine, honest stance that we take, and we try to enforce that at all times.

In other words, when devs, have much more knowledge than us about hardware, say x hardware is slow, horrible, they are wrong because apparantly, they are ill informed, as said by a customer who loves x hardware so much that anything negative about it is misinformed.
I think there is a 6 word for it, incidentally this word is used mostly by those same people.

@Dave
You can only keep these readers happy by posting their beloved console with pictures of flowers around it.

@Dragon: I find your posts are generally designed to polarise forumites, and to start flame-wars, but I recognise that I don’t read everything you write, so if I’m wrong on that, I’m sorry. If not though, please go easy and stop trying to fight all the time.

@69

Yeah, there have been a few IMO but you did rectify it, so kudos to you there. It’s a tough balance as you’ve started doing opinion pieces (which I like), then trying to give impartial news coverage, it’s a tough balance but this is still my goto gaming site.

I shouldn’t be ragging on you beacause of articles like this; the guy from 4A obviously said this and feels he has a reason to make these statements.

It’s just un-proffesional and a bit of a ‘baiting’ remark IMO. It just smacks of attention seeking to me.

@Dragon

No one likes a kiss arse. Sir, Sir, you forgot to give us homework Sir!

Are you saying the PS3 is a piece of shit because Skyrim and multiple other games run like shit on it?

Or is it lazy devs who don’t understand the machine they are working with hmmmm?

@71
Well, you should look at “Digital Foundry vs. Halo 4″ discussion. I am glad no one took the bait.
If I mentioned anything wrong in my previous post, referring to how some people act here, feel free to correct me.

it´s strange, i really feel like dragon is coming up with some good stuff in his comments from time to time but at the same time he constantly bashes ms and nintendo (especially nintendo) in a very pathetic way.
dragon, seriously, YOU are the ps3 guy here, you are attacking people who have all the consoles for being platform fanboys. it´s obvious that this is just stupid…it makes no sense.

@74

Trolling 101.

He just likes to spark flame wars. Half the times his arguements dissolve because he cannot fathom people enjoying any other form of gaming unless it’s on a Sony console.

Just means he misses out on alot of great games and I can’t / don’t take him seriously anymore.

As I said earlier, stay classy. Love your ninty stuff and hate sony.
Incidentally, the people who call others trolls and fanboys are themselves the biggest ones.
Wonder why ninty articles produce the biggest threads? Maybe because of some defense working there.
As for skyrim, its obvious that ps3 is difficult to develop for in this case. But if that was the case, they just shouldn’t have released it on ps3. But they did, which sucks because millions fell for it. And now they are stuck with an unplayable mess and no future support when they paid the same price as their 360 and pc counterparts.
I am not in a mood to discuss about this stuff now. There will many more opportunities to discuss this. Say, is anyone interested in community awards? I think we should start a vg247 community awards this year. Almost every major gaming site does it.

@72 I get what you mean man, I think the guy will be in line for a bit of a dressing down by his bosses for it. Doesn’t look good which ever way you slice it.

No worries also, I’m not trying to argue with you or be a dick. I just want to make it clear that we’re anti-hit baiting, even if some poor headlines do slip through the cracks. We work at immense speed and under pressure to keep the news flowing, so it can happen, and we’re seriously thankful to you guys for pointing out things that we miss.

Anyway, back to finishing my super-mega Far Cry 3 ‘not-review’. I have a feeling you guys are going to love this one when it goes live tomorrow

@Dave
I love FC2, one of the best games this gen.Everything was realistic there, the malaria pills, the fact that outposts will become occupied again if you leave them and the map. I gather most of the things I mentioned, if not all are absent from FC3. Is it worth for me?
Does FC3 have a good storyline like FC2? I hate mindless shooting.

@77

Nae worries!

I feel the comments from the 4A dev echo alot of the problems surrounding media at the moment.

People make snap comments to provoke reaction (or interweb-time), or press jump on them and spin it into something it’s not, which is hinted at hear by the THQ ‘clean-up’ guy.

Im starting to really hate a lot of the stories that have been coming out regarding the Wii U and gaming in general; it just seems to be the ‘in thing’ to slag a console off before it finds it’s feet. Some of the articles on Kotaku have been awful.

It seems pretty obvious that the Wii U isn’t a beast of a machine (also, Nintendo never promised it would be!), but im sure this could be ported fine if they could be bothered. It’s just a poor choice of words from him.

Am looking forward to the Far Cry 3 piece, am picking the game up (*New – Dragon246) for the 360 and absolutly can’t wait!

Have tried to avoid too much footage but I love the fact that there are animals to hunt! (Not that im a cold blooded killer! )

That was the best bit of Red Dead Redemption for me!

@78 yep all absent. Here’s an excerpt from my piece (can’t reveal too much yet)

“Far Cry 3 feels more manageable without compromising its survival elements entirely, and that can’t have been an easy balance for Ubisoft to nail. Chances are that if you found fault with any element of Far Cry 2′s mechanics, they’ve most likely been remedied here.”

…and I stand by this 100%. You’ll see what I mean better tomorrow.

@79 then you will love Far Cry 3, the survival elements are superb. Stay tuned

This thread is still a thing? I stopped posting once it came down to Polygem throwing personal insults at me. I figured I didn’t need to lower myself to that level.

clupula you are boss. waaaaayy too classy for a minion like me. apologies. we´re not on the same level. yep. your narcissism is beyond me. another level indeed.

i loved FC2 as well. bring on the not review.

@81 It’s Sunday, the threads get a little thin on the ground until tomorrow so this one is over active currently!

One day we’ll all find a way to get along and accept the console choice we make !

@83 – see, that’s the thing, unlike Polygem there, I only make personal attacks on those who attack me first. I can disagree with someone’s opinion. I can dislike what they like. But in the end, I try to respect that, unless the other person shows me a lack of respect, in which case, I feel it’s open season. For the record, I don’t even agree with everything Dragon says, all the time, and I’m sure he wouldn’t agree with me on everything either.

I’m not hoping any of the three hardware companies go out of business. I think competition is good for the industry. The stronger each company is, the better it is for us, because they will compete with each other to get our money. I was a Genesis teenager, but I would have never said the SNES sucked. It had a lot of really good games for it, and I think part of why the Genesis lineup was so strong was because Sega had to compete.

I’ve said a few times on here, I wished Nintendo had made a system that had impressed me, because, and I know this will be completely ignored, in favor of the view that I’m some sort of Sony fanboy, I would have one day bought it (I don’t buy anything first day. I’ve gone over my 20 games rule enough that everybody here should know it already). I wanted Nintendo to blow away what Sony and Microsoft were currently doing.

Because not only would that mean that there was an interesting system on my radar, but it’d also put pressure on Sony and Microsoft to do even better.

The fact is that the Wii U is not that impressive a system. And developers are even saying it.

And when I read people attacking him for giving his opinion of the hardware, when he knows better than you and I do, that, to me, is the definition of a fanboy. Where you choose to ignore the evidence presented by professionals, in favor of your own opinions and brand loyalty. And then to throw personal insults at people who bring up facts, in an attempt to discredit the information they bring.

It’s an incredibly old propaganda technique and it’s kinda sad to see someone like Polygem bringing it into a discussion about videogames. These are things that we find fun and for some of us, therapeutic. We can argue about them, because we have different opinions, but I don’t see why that would inspire someone to attack someone’s character, unless someone is so blinded by company loyalty, that that is what they must do in order to make themselves feel better.

@84

‘System that impressed you?’

Well each to his own; but frankly your missing out. Even if you don’t buy a Wii U, a Wii can be picked up for £50 2nd hand.

If your too set in your ways to not play games like Mario Galaxy and Skyward Sword in your gaming life, some people will find it hard to relate to your opinions.

Just smacks of stubborn refusal of trying something different.

@clupula: your strange fantasies again. so now i am using some secret, “old propaganda techniques”? man, you are a comedian. i am writing down my opinion here. nothing else. everything else is just happening in your head.
you are insulting all the time, not pointing it out straight but between the lines.
you brought up that nintendo is only kids games stuff, wii is shovleware collecting dust etc etc, but pretend you are not the one attacking….then you are complaining if someone tells you to stop trolling, you even feel “personally insulted” and you are “not on the same level”. ha. you´re the kind of guy i truly respect. society needs more of your type. more lawyers.
i find this rather disgusting tbh. if you want to say something, say it, loud and clear.

“you are insulting all the time, not pointing it out straight but between the lines.
you brought up that nintendo is only kids games stuff, wii is shovleware collecting dust etc etc, but pretend you are not the one attacking”

The fact that you can’t tell the difference between a personal attack and someone disliking a game or company or system speaks volumes about you.

I could say that every single Wii game is shit (which is untrue, but bare with me) and that still isn’t actually a personal attack. How fucked in the head are you that you would see an equivalency between that and attacking a person’s character? Contrary to what you believe, if you say something from a company whose output I like sucks, I don’t take that personally. That’s called a difference of opinion.

You, however, act as though if I say Wii games are geared towards children, that I’ve somehow pissed on your ancestor’s grave. You should probably look into why you feel such an attachment to a faceless corporation.

I love just about everything Platinum games have ever done. However, if you say that all of their games are “Weeaboo-centric pussy crap” or whatever (as I’m sure, at least one constant commenter would), it isn’t something I’d take personally, because they’re a company. I don’t have any vested interest in them, other than I enjoy their games and want to play more. To me, that just says you have a different idea of what’s good than I do. If I say that I don’t enjoy Mario games or that I find them a tired milking of a franchise, that should just mean, to you, that I have different tastes than you. If you see it as an insult, then maybe you should step back and take a look at yourself.

@85 – I can totally respect that you don’t relate to my opinions, because we have different ideas of what we enjoy. I don’t like playing games that I feel are geared towards kids, for the same reason I don’t watch Pixar films. I grew up in a house with seven kids. I’ve seen enough children’s programming and gaming to last me a lifetime and I don’t care to do so now.

I don’t play Sly Cooper or Ratchet & Clank either. Doesn’t mean that the gameplay isn’t fun. It’s just not an aesthetic that I want to indulge in.

I’ve said many times, if I had kids of my own, I’d buy Nintendo consoles. Actually, I’m supposed to help a member of my family set up her Wii U around Christmas. And yes, she bought it for her 8 year old, not for herself. I don’t have any particular hatred towards any company. It’s just not for me. When you say, “some people will find it hard to relate to your opinions,” I can totally understand that. I don’t relate to playing children’s games and you don’t relate to me not. Differences are what makes the world so interesting. If everybody liked the same things, there wouldn’t be a need for more than one company or even any third parties.

This was the link in which they indicated the WiiU was the best graphical version, sorry i cannot put it before because i leave work, and i dont post on weekends, i spend my weekend playing darksiders 2 on my ps3, gotham city impostors, dragon dogma, house poker and pinball fx2 on my 360, and a little bit of last story and xenoblade on wii.

http://n4g.com/news/1126830/face-off-call-of-duty-black-ops-2-wii-u-vs-ps3-vs-xbox-360

Also i think it is very different to put some labels on nintendo, especially labels that are done by the other two manufactures to diminish the value of nintendo products in order to gain market, or as an strategy to locate better their product in the competition, like is childish or for children, that indicates some strong feeling against nintendo; than saying nintendo is not for me, because not all people find nintendo titles childish or aimed at children, hence the everyone or teen ratings, or that dont mind this,even if in the surface can seem this way, because the games are really hard especially mario titles collecting all the stars, that requires serious gaming skills, that can only be appreciated for avid gamers.

I do believe that for example dark souls is not for me, i dont have problems playing any other games, but with this one i do find that i cannot advance, that i need constant wikipedia serchings to know things, therefore i will say is not for me, because i know there is people that will love and like the game, but again is very different to say that is a bad desing choice, or is badly desing it, i will never say that, is just it is not for me, but for time to time i jump back into it in oder to see if i can change my mind ( and even i pruchased demon souls nontheless), probably at some point i will, but that is the difference between the two scenarios i described earlier, one is respectful, i mean the later (darksouls), while the former not (nintedo childish).

^ …But thats the DF article that clearly indicates that the WiiU version is the inferiour one. Did you even read it?

@Manu
That link is a story based on the EG DF article and clearly indicates that in stills it’s better than the PS3 and on par with 360, but in motion worse than both.

# 90, #91 I know guys but in some parts, has improved graphics, in other dont, which means is not a Horrible slow CPU, if that was the case, it will not have any improvements in any department, like it did, even if it does has some issues like framerate.

^ …Are you trolling?

#93 ^ never, i see it this way, this developer indicatied that the WiiU CPU is horrible and slow , because in the end he is comparing the WiiU with 360 and PS3, therefore by logic it will not reach those levels, but it did surpassed the ps3 on some istances , and in some instances matched the 360, except the framerate, so it is not that horrible or slow, because if this was the case the game will end up being much worse on all fronts without any improvement (comparing with the ps3) or being on the same level as the 360, the framerate issue can be for porting issues, and it was the only asspect inferior.

…You didnt actually read the DF piece, did you.

@95

He could probably duplicate his #94 reply to your query there.

It’ll save time.

^yes i did.

@88

Thats fine of course, I just can’t relate to that!

I overheard a kid talking to his Mum the other day, the child asked:

“Does Dad read Spiderman comics too?”

She replied:

“He did when he was younger, he’s too old for that now…”

Sad times, IMO some things transcend age. Prime example would be Mario games or Pixar / Ghibli animations.

Each to his own though!

I just hope some people here don’t get too defensive about things they like and try to insult others. Not everyone like everything. Some people hate GTA, which I think is one of the best franchises, but I respect that. If people think all zeldas are great, I beg to differ. SW was nothing special, there are a lot better jrpgs around there, like persona series or Megaten series (of which persona is a part). That is my opinion, you cant do anything about it. If you are insulting others for these trivial things, then you have got a big problem with your mentality.
The thing which I find hilarious is that how many of these same people wish x company to bow out of business just because they want it. Thats pure fanboyism. Competition is always good.
The last good console ninty produced was GC. They wanted to go the other route with wii,and I parted ways. I don’t get dictated by what x company wants me to use, I decide on my own. Motion controls suck, so most wii games suck because of that, barring a few like last story etc. That too suffered from antique hardware of wii. MS and sony making the hardwares I like, ninty doesn’t. Until the day ninty tries to dictate “the new way to play” to me, they wont have my money.
But I definitely don’t want them to go out of business, because competition is always good and many people like their games (unlike some pathetic haters here) and they have 1000s of employees.
If anyone doesn’t agree with me, fine. I can discuss things respectfully. I am also free to change my opinions.

@98 – Hey, there’s some very adult stuff coming from Ghibli. I wouldn’t look at Grave of the Fireflies as a kid’s film unless you really really want to make them cry.

polygem, you can’t really argue with people like Sony2456.

They will type passionate walls of bla bla bla about some abysmal videogame and call you nerd because they read someone on the internet mocking others using that word and thought it’s cool.

They will trick themselves into thinking they don’t get dictated by companies which toy to buy next and again, passionately fight for a corner on the internet with every single churn Sony release. In reality, they just don’t want to belong to some fantasy ‘casual’ force. Nutcases? Indeed.

They will paraphrase other people they randomly read and tell you to ignore those.

They will call you a fanboy in their psychotic rage yet continue to masturbate into their Blu-ray drive.

Oh well. Simply put, they’re bloody idiots :/

What’s even more sad is how they think they make some kind of career here, contribute and influence something in the grand scheme of things. Fortunately vg247 doesn’t have post ranks, avatars and post counts.

So anyway, why bother with some pathetic comment from a miserable dev.