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Chivalry dev believes women don’t want female characters

Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:01 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare contains no female characters, because that would “make it appeal less” to women, apparently.

Challenged by a forumite as to why there are no female characters – even NPCs or non-combatants – in the hack-and-slasher, team lead Tibberius ignored the old “historical accuracy” chestnut in favour of a somewhat baffling shot in the dark regarding the preferences of female gamers.

“I actually think that adding female characters to a game like this would make it appeal less to females,” the developer said.

“Which at first sounds strange,” Tibberius added, quite accurately, “But from my experience of the general maturity level of the internet and the unfortunately male dominated FPS market I don’t think that it would add to the experience for women or men given the actions that would likely occur.”

“Hopefully that helps you understand why we decided not to go that route,” the developer concluded.

“I am totally fine with women fighting, but its the fact that it would probably overall harm the way the community would play the game that has me concerned.”

We’ve reached out to Torn Banner Studios for more insight into what this means.

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare is a first-person multiplayer combat affair which launched in mid-October.

Thanks, Leena.

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21 Comments

  1. absolutezero

    Jesus Christ what a bunch of bollocks.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. YoungZer0

    Bullshit. They were just too lazy to create female models and that’s it.

    I actually don’t think they have to explain themselves. If they choose not to include female characters so be it, it’s their game. But that Bullshit doesn’t help anyone.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. LuLshuck

    Whats the point in adding something when people wont use it, plus did woman fight in the medieval times?

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Sini

    meh, as a guy i play males if it’s first person perspective or camera far away, but females if right behind the character for “dat ass” effect. But I wouldn’t cry about it if only female toons were present.
    Also, females typically look better in armors etc, see d3 or any mmo i guess.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. TheWulf

    WELP. Considering the nontrivial quotent of lady gamers I know of hanging around on tumblr, I’m almost tempted to drop this on mine just to watch the hellstorm that would assuredly arise from it. It’s tempting, but I’m not really into schadenfreude.

    Still, this is a bunch of baloney. What women don’t want is sexualised characters, they don’t want women who’re there to be drooled at by horny virgins. That is what those I’ve spoken with are not fond of. But when you have something tasteful and modest, like the engineer from Torchlight II, they’d support it greatly.

    So long as you didn’t put your women in chainmail bikinis, and you actually treated them with the same respect that you’d treat your men, you’d find that women would have more interest in your game.

    But hey, what do I know?

    #5 2 years ago
  6. YoungZer0

    “What women don’t want is sexualised characters”

    I must be a woman then, because i hate that too.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. TheWulf

    @3

    Yes. Yes they did.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=did+women+fight+in+medieval+times

    #7 2 years ago
  8. TheWulf

    @6

    Same here. I was trying to put it from a sympathetic angle, though, as I tend to hear that a lot. I don’t want to say this as ‘hey, this is something I don’t want’ because this isn’t my view alone. This is the view of pretty much every woman I’ve talked to on the topic.

    So you don’t want it, I don’t want it, and the women I’ve spoken with don’t want it. The sad part is is that this is then taken by some people (this dev) apparently as ‘we don’t want women in games.’ And that’s bizarre. We do want women in games, but we want them to be shown to be as respectable as men are.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Stardog

    His point is that the maturity level of gamers is such that they will teabag all the female characters.

    It’s nothing to do with the female characters being sexualised from a character design standpoint.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. YoungZer0

    @8: The thing that pisses me off the most is that many devs actually do want to include women in erm, realistic clothes, but then comes some asshole advertiser/publisher and says “MAIK DEM MOA SXE! POPEL LUV SEX! SX SELLS!”

    Not knowning that Sex attracts, but is not the reason why things sell.

    Aside from porn that is.

    But that’s the thing, why would anyone buy a game because the girl on the cover isn’t wearing anything? They can fap to porn anytime they want! It’s ridiculous and it alienates a huge chunk of the possible user base. That is one of many reasons why i avoid MMORPG’s. That genre is just full of over sexualized female characters.

    @9:

    “His point is that the maturity level of gamers is such that they will teabag all the female characters.”

    So what?

    #10 2 years ago
  11. OrbitMonkey

    @3, Joan of Arc says “Bon jour ”

    Still a bit saddened , no big tittied wenchs running around in bikini chainmail :(

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Faceless

    @7 I can’t believe I’m responding to you, notorious as you are at making bad points ad nauseam, but…

    You do realise there are far more female gamers than there were female warriors during the medieval times? Female soldiers and especially knights were rare, rare enough that Joan of Arc remains a historical milestone and a reference in nearly every discussion on the physical equality of either gender.

    As for Torn Banner, should’ve just gone with the historical accuracy excuse. At least that would’ve been more plausible and warrant less sensationalist articles.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Digital Bamboo

    Not very chivalrous of them.

    Sounds like a very old fashioned excuse to exclude women, along the lines of “women, with their delicate sensibilities, should not be expected to endure the harsh realities of a mans world, and shall therefore be excluded, for their own protection” except with a modern bullshit spin.

    1880 called…

    #13 2 years ago
  14. OrbitMonkey

    C’mon guys, its a well known fact that women are delicate little flowers who shrink away from violence & are completely at the mercy of big strong men!

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Robustitron

    These are the awkward catch-22 situations you get when people try too hard to find controversy, and developers are put in a tough situation.

    They could include women and risk being declared misogynists/rape supporters and face a media attack over anything that happens ingame, a baseless accusation of violence against women can easily snowball without having to make any sense, so long as it’s emotionally charged it can explode and get out of hand.

    It only took Battlefield 3 a single line from an NPC “I’m getting my shit pushed in over here”, for Kotaku to write a lengthy article declaring the game to be homophobic.

    Or they could take the less moral but safer route and exclude women overall and avoid the paranoia altogether.

    The developers of God of War recently claimed that they would no longer allow women to be harmed in-game the same way as men, as a response to various controversies.

    I can see this potentially reaching a point where female characters are treated the same as children in games, given an invincibility field and only killed off screen to avoid controversy.

    It seems like the feminist trends in gaming are pushing to infantalize women and discourage female characters from being put in the same situations as men. We are going backwards because negatives make better headlines than positives.

    The Chivalry devs will be damned for excluding women, and inevitably other devs with be damned far worse for including them and allowing them to face harm or some controversial situation, it only takes one blogger to “perceive” some form of implied rape to get the ball rolling.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. NocturnalB

    Gaming is such a messed up place for girls. I know a bunch of girls that game, and they get down to bid-ness! Girls truly don’t care about playing male characters most of the ones i know do play male characters(and kick ass), but on the same note that’s usually because they don’t have much choice.

    And ALL the girls i know who play stay off of stuff like Xbox Live comms, because of the idiots, unless it’s people they know. Pretty stupid how people get, I’ve been on comms with them before. Girl i knew who said something once in a public Black Ops game, soon as they heard a girls voice she had to leave because they all started harassing her so badly they weren’t even playing the match anymore, just messing with her and being disgusting.

    Why is it such a big girl to meet a girl who plays games? I’ve been through 2 girlfriends who gamed as much as i do. I just don’t get why it’s like that every time.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. GwynbleiddiuM

    Can’t believe I’m saying I agree with TheWulf only on his first comment.

    Also, woman in military roles are underrated and undermined in history. A few examples can be found here: http://womenshistorymonth.wordpress.com/resources/women-and-series/women-and-war/female-warriors/

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Sylrissa

    Well for starters this isn’t War of the Roses, trying to recreate an authentic medieval conflict, so historical accuracy can’t be an excuse.

    Chivalry is set in a fictional world so they could introduce what they want, and as long as the female characters were outfitted in the same level of armour coverage I wouldn’t see the problem.

    However if they don’t want to include female characters, then that’s fine, but just say so, don’t try and give me some justification for it.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. vashtari

    Women don’t want female characters? As a woman in her late 20s, the first thing I looked for was a female character. As someone who’s researched medieval history for quite a long time, researching specifically females in the late medieval ages, I can say that women did in fact fight with weapons and proper armor. Because of how women couldn’t officially be recognized as knights, they never officially got the title. However there were real women other than Joan of Arc who were not only shieldmaidens, but also commanded armies in their own rights. They were forced to act in a non-official capacity, though they were still able to do what men did.

    Bottom line, having females in the game would not hurt the game. It would not be lore unfriendly. Talk to people in your local SCA or strict medieval re-enactment group. The ones who’ve done hard research for years would tell you what historical findings have.

    As far as Chivalry not having females as a character option, adding it now would be difficult budget wise. I do wish they would have considered us women more than they did, chalking it up to “they wouldn’t like it.” Many of us really do want to fight as our own gender. I hate fighting as a man. I’m not a male, so why would i want to fight as a male? I wouldn’t mind running into the same problems that women ran into in the medieval period, being a female and “trying to do a man’s job.” That is lore friendly. Women never wore armor that was truly fitted to their bodies, nor did they get special treatment. They weren’t amazons, but they weren’t fragile either.

    By the way, I fully agree with what TheWulf said. So true.

    #19 12 months ago
  20. vashtari

    @YoungZer0 Lol, that just means we’d lop their heads off in the next round, right? I’d be like, “Oh, so you thought T-bagging was cute? Let’s have you do it to yourself! Here, eat THAT.”

    #20 12 months ago
  21. Gekidami

    You do know this is a year old, right?

    And anyway, maybe they just didnt want to be accused of rape.

    #21 12 months ago

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    PC users lamenting the lack of local, offline co-op in Resident Evil: Revelations 2 will be pleased to know a modder has remedied the omission. The mod, created by FluffyQuack, adds offline co-op mode to Episode 1 but the only caveat is players will need to use gamepads instead of mouse and keyboard (via Gamespot). […]

  • Number of Steam accounts with Dota 2 installed hits over 42 million

    Dota 2 has seen its installation rate jump 85% year-over-year, resulting in the MOBA now having close to 43 million installations worldwide. The figures were published via a report from video game research and consulting firm EEDAR, which studied Steam accounts daily to better understand the service’s player behavior and title performance. According to statistics […]

  • Nintendo issuing Eon Ticket codes for Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

    Nintendo is handing out an Eon Ticket to Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire owners which will allow them to visit the Southern Island. Once a player arrives, depending on which version of the game they own, Pokemon Latios and Latias are able to be caught. The Eon Ticket was originally issued via StreetPass, but […]

  • Here’s a couple The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt screenshots to brighten your day

    Two images for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt have surfaced on the game’s Facebook page. Grabbed by Gamekyo, the images show Gerlat and Vesemir chatting with a fellow, and the other shows Geralt riding up to some ruins where some people have been hanged. CD Projekt Red will make an appearance at PAX East next […]

  • Hyrule Warriors Boss Pack DLC contains unlockable character – potential spoilers

    While you already know the next DLC for Hyrule Warriors will allow you to play as the gigantic beast Ganon, there’s a rather humorous unlockable character contained in it as well. Potential spoilers follow below. When the DLC arrived in Japan February 26, YouTuber moccos-tan IsedelicaAs posted a video of the unlockable character, which is […]

  • Star Trek Online players gather on Vulcan to pay respects to Leonard Nimoy

    Star Trek Online players paid tribute to Leonard Nimoy yesterday by gathering around a fountain on Vulcan, the home planet of Spock in the Star Trek series. According to a post by barnacle999 on reddit, when he logged into the MMO “there were around 20 full instances and several partial,” culminating in around 1000 players […]

  • Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin gameplay video shows invasion of The Forlorn

    A new Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin gameplay video has been released, and provides the viewer with a look at the NPC invader system. Watch below as The Forlorn hunts down the player through the game with “with deadly skill and tenacity.” He even teams up with other enemies, making your fight […]

  • Visual upgrade for Wasteland 2, improved modding tools in the works

    A visual upgrade and improved mod tools are in the works for Wasteland 2, according to a blog post from inXile Entertainment. The upgrades will come about as the game’s codebase is migrated from Unity 4.5 to Unity 5. “A major benefit of moving to Unity 5 is that 5 will include many of the […]

  • Battlefield Hardline brings “Hollywood crime drama” to single-player campaign

    In the fifth developer diary for Battlefield Hardline, the team discusses how it’s bringing “Hollywood crime drama” to the shooter’s single-player campaign. The video was released a couple of days ago, so apologies are in order if this has been posted already, but I promise I searched the site and never found it. Visceral Games […]

  • Masquerada: Songs and Shadows is a pause for tactics isometric RPG coming in 2016

    Masquerada: Songs and Shadows is a 2.5D isometric RPG, built in the vein of Baldur’s Gate and Dragon Age in the works at Withing Hour Studios. The game allows the player to pause combat to plan party tactics. “Set in the Venetian-inspired fantasy city of Ombre where rare masks are the key to casting magic, […]

  • Underworld Ascendant surpasses Kickstarter goal

    Underworld Ascendant which was launched on Kickstarter earlier this month, has met its  $600,000 funding goal. With six days left 10,786 backers pledged $610,541 In light of being funded, the team has also switched up the stretch goals as bit, as you can see in the image below. The studio, OtherSide Entertainment, is fronted by Paul Neurath, […]

  • Latest Evolve patch fixes progress and save game data loss on Xbox One

    A patch for Evolve has been released on Xbox One which fixes lost progress and save game data users had reported. The patch also fixes an issue with shadows and flashlight, makes incremental improvements to matchmaking, invites, and rejoining, and there were progressions balance changes. “The issue with lost progress and saved games was mostly […]

  • Online servers for Ridge Racer Unbounded shut down in Europe

    Online functionality for Ridge Racer Unbounded is no longer available, Namco Bandai Europe has announced. Solo mode and the track editor are still playable, minus the sharing options. Ridge Racer Unbounded was released on PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in March 2013. Thanks, MCV.

  • OlliOlli will be a cross-buy title on 3DS and Wii U

    Curve Digital has announced OlliOlli will be a cross-buy title when it releases on 3DS and Wii U. The Roll7 title will be the first third-party title to offer the functionality on the systems. OllliOlli will be released on the eShop March 5 The game launches on Nintendo’s eShop on March 5th, followed by Xbox […]

  • Darkbeast electrifies latest Bloodborne video

    The latest Bloodborne video shows off another monster in the game. This one is Darkbeast and he’s full of electricity. The video is the last of IGN’s month-long coverage of the title.

  • Future Assassin’s Creed games will have greater focus on modern timeline

    Ubisoft plans to focus more on modern timelines in future Assassin’s Creed games, the company suggested during its latest community livestream. During the Twitch stream, one of the lead writers for the Assassin’s Creed series, Darby McDevitt, said the modern timeline for Brotherhood’s town of Monteriggioni could inspire future development. “That only came about because […]

  • Fruit Ninja Kinect 2 is coming to Xbox One next month

    Halfbrick has announced Fruit Ninja Kinect 2 for Xbox One will release next month. The mobile title made its way onto Xbox 360 garnering 1 million downloads as of March 2012. It has a new multiplayer mode for up to four players with Battle and Party modes along with a new progression system. An announcement […]

  • New GTA 5 PC screens – shit the bed!

    Rockstar has pumped out 15 new screens for the PC version of Grand Theft Auto 5. Don’t touch them, because they’re electric. And if you touch them, you’ll get shocked. The PC version of GTA 5 has been delayed until April 14, which both sucks and blows. BUT! There’s a new trailer coming between now […]

  • Sony Japan accidentally erases 20th Anniversary PS4 contest entries

    Sony Japan has accidentally erased all information obtained from PlayStation owners who entered to win a 20th Anniversary PlayStation 4. Those who purchased PlayStation 3, PS4, Vita or Vita TV between December 4 – January 15 were handed a calendar with a code which entered them into the contest. Somehow, all data collected from the […]

  • Hearthstone datamine suggests Blackrock Mountain expansion on the way

    Hearthstone’s next update may be based on World of Warcraft’s Molten Core raid, if datamined information posted on Hearthpwn is spot-on. According to files mined from the latest patch, three new cosmetic card backs are on the way, one of which is called Molten Core. The data suggests that pre-ordering the Blackrock Mountain expansion will […]

  • Using Battlefield Hardline single-player gadgets increases your metagame rewards

    Gadgets contained in Battlefield Hardline’s campaign mode have been detailed, and each provides the player with various ways in which to solve crimes. According to design director Scott Warner, one way to “diffuse” a conflict when confronted with criminal activity is to flash your badge and ordering the criminal to freeze. Putting your gun on […]

  • Mortal Kombat X video is all about story mode, new characters

    After promising a new Mortal Kombat X reveal “soon”, NetherRealm Studios has made good on said promise by releasing the story trailer. The video shows parts of the story mode featuring Mileena, which takes place 25 years after the events of 2011′s Mortal Kombat. Outworld has become a larger threat and new fighters joining the […]

  • Destiny’s shotgun and pulse rifle buffs mean it’s time to rethink your load-out

    Destiny’s most-ignored weapons got major boosts this week. It’s time to start thinking about how to work them into your set-up. Even if you’re used to using scout rifles and sniper rifles as a general loud-out (neither class was touched by 1.1.1), the buffs to pulse rifles and shotguns should make you rethink your contextual […]

  • Battlefield Bad Company 2: five years later, what did it do so right?

    It’s been five years since the release of Battlefield Bad Company 2. What did the much-loved entry in the franchise do for the Battlefield series? Westie’s played Battlefield Bad Company 2 for over 1,260 hours on PS3 and PC. That’s dedication. In his latest video he discusses the stand out moments from a FPS classic, […]

  • War is hell in this Zombie Army Trilogy gameplay trailer

    Here’s five minutes of headshots, shambling zombies and an undead Hitler from Rebellion’s upcoming Zombie Army Trilogy. The Sniper Elite spin-off arrives on PS4, PC and Xbox One March 6 and includes three games (obviously) and a new Horde mode.

  • Titan Souls releases on PS4, Vita, PC on April 14

    Ace indie giant-slayer Titan Souls will be released on PS4, Vita and PC on April 14. Publisher Devolver confirmed the date to Eurogamer. Those of us in Europe will have to wait until a day later for release. Titan Souls is a tough-as-nails indie game where you have one life to slay a giant enemy. […]

  • Destiny weekly update: lowdown on Inferno Crucible, Vault Transfer improvements

    Destiny’s weekly update has made some pretty significant changes – let Arekkz Gaming take you through them. Bungie has revealed the first release date for the new Inferno Crucible mode, and made it a lot easier to access your vault. You should subscribe to Arekkz Gaming. It will improve your life.

  • Destiny: Xur location and inventory Feb 27, 28

    It’s Xursday again – what treats does he have for you this week? He’s in the North Tower, to the right of the Stranger’s room. Let’s take a look at the latest weapons and gear from your favourite Destiny trader. No Backup Plans [Titan Gauntlets] – 13SC ATS/8 Arachnid [Hunter Helmet] – 13SC Heart of […]

  • Battlefield Hardline will be stable on PC at launch, Visceral assures

    PC format is “by far the best gaming platform around,” says Hardline producer. “We’re doing what we can to take advantage of people’s different system with the graphics, framerate, controls, etc. We’re not just porting it over.” Battlefield Hardline developer Visceral is reassuring players that there will not be a repeat of the disastrous Battlefield […]

  • Win Pneuma: Breath of Life for Xbox One

    We have 10 download codes for new indie puzzler Pneuma: Breath of Life for Xbox One to give away. The be in with a chance of winning a code, just enter your details below and we’ll pull the winners from the hat on Monday March 2nd, after 2pm GMT. Pneuma: Breath of Life is a […]

  • Life is Strange Episode 2 delayed

    Life is Strange Episode 2 won’t make its expected release date. The first Life is Strange episode released on January 30, and we had expected the second to follow on March 13. Square Enix has since confirmed to Destructoid that the next chapter won’t make its release date. There’s been no word of the new […]

  • Mortal Kombat X: which character will be revealed tomorrow?

    Mortal Kombat X director Ed Boon is teasing a new character reveal. During today’s Mortal Kombat X livestream, NetherRealm said that a new character would be revealed “very soon”. Boon followed up with this teasing tweet suggesting the reveal will occur tomorrow: Very soon? As in tomorrow? :/ — Ed Boon (@noobde) February 26, 2015 […]

  • Halo played by Twitch is an exercise in great patience

    TwitchPlaysHalo is ridiculous. Halo: Combat Evolved is the latest game to be sucked into the “TwitchPlays” phenomenon, and the results are somewhat painful to spectate. If you’re not familiar with the setup, which debuted with TwitchPlaysPokemon, the game accepts commands from the channels’ chat stream. Although it doesn’t have the strategic RPG elements of Pokemon, […]

  • Gold Amiibo sold out, selling at five times RRP on auction sites

    Gold Mario Amiibo are expected to sell for pretty astounding profits on eBay and other auction sites. The Walmart-exclusive Gold Mario Amiibo is already completely sold out. Plenty of people managed to snaffle them to resell, though. There are now dozens of listings on eBay and other auction sites. One of the average asking prices […]

  • Canadian new game prices jump to $75

    Canadian gamers are in for an unpleasant price hike. As spotted by HardcoreGamer, the local Canadian branches of Amazon and EB Games have raised the prices of upcoming games to CAD$75. The CAD$5 increasing comes within a year of prices hitting the CAD$70 point. CAD$75 (£38/€53) currently exchanges for $60, the standard US pricing. The […]

  • New Xenoblade Chronicles X footage shows weather, day-night cycle

    The latest Xenoblade Chronicles X footage shows off a gloriously beautiful world. Xenoblade Chronicles X is Monolith Soft’s first solo Wii U game, and the developer is clearly enjoying being able to build a big open world with all the features we’ve come to expect. Missed the whole Xenoblade thing? Chronicles X is a sort […]

  • Dead Rising: Watchtower teaser talks up the benefits of Zombrex

    Live-action Dead Rising movie Watchtower is almost upon us. Dead Rising: Watchtower will release on Crackle on March 27, and via other digital distributors thereafter. Enjoy the short teaser below, courtesy of IGN.

  • We Happy Few debut hits you upside the face with a frying pan

    Contrast developer Compulsion Games has revealed its next project – the delightfully creepy-looking We Happy Few. We Happy Few is set in “a drug-fuelled, retrofuturistic city in an alternative 1960s England” where “a plucky bunch of moderately terrible people trying to escape from a lifetime of cheerful denial”. Players are tasked with blending in with […]