Wii U console to sell at a loss, Nintendo confirms

#49

I’m sorry to hear of your chronic muscle wasting disease. If you have the wrist strength of a toddler then I guess this isn’t the right controller for you.

*Ninty announces wii. Motion controls!*
Ninty fans- WOAH! Future is here!

*Ninty announces wiiu. Gamepad with a screen-dual screen!*
Ninty fans- WOAH! Fuck motion controls. THIS IS the future!

Hype machine is what its said.

While you can like whatever you want, shoving it other peoples throat wont help anybody. There were people who hate motion controls and this too will have a fair share of non-believers.
Also innovation just for the sake of it is what ninty is good at.

@Monkey
“Touchscreen DS – PS Vita though…”
Yeah dude. Ninty invented touchscreen and every console that uses it is a copy. Right.
Pro controller is definitely not a copy.
Ever heard of capacitive screens? 50$ chinese tablets have more processing power than the “gamepad” and they have a capacitive screen.

As it stands, gamepad doesnt feel too hot for now, and its something sales will reflect imho. As analysts said, it would be fun to watch what happens to wiiu after the initial demand subsides.

@ gadzooks Whoa nerd! No need to get nasty . Let me start by telling you strenghth is not the problem. If the motion isn’t comfortable people won’t use it. Simple. Look at the pad, now use that tiny brain of yours to imagine someone holding that in one hand and tracking with it. Even you must now agree that the premise is ridiculous. Anyways, I’m 6’7″ 255 lbs. I have enough strength in my wrist to snap your neck. Easily.

How very macho of you.

bro im 6’8″ 256lbs

srsly

y would i lie on the internet

@53

I’ve said time and time again, Nintendo don’t invent tech, but they apply it in a way that other firms want to replicate.

I even said it earlier but you wanted to jump down my throat again, you must be getting a taste for it!

I don’t understand why but it does make me laugh…

People slag off Nintendo eg motion controllers, then something like MOVE comes out and all the Sony fans shit their panties with excitement.

One thing is good with Sony, they usually refine the tech, ie PS Vita and Move, they just forget / don’t bother to support it.

Sony HQ : tick another box then move on….

As for tablets being better and cheaper, it’s chalk and cheese really. All next gen consoles will be out of date within weeks compared to PCs and even things like the iPad in the near future.

Doesn’t mean squat

“People slag off Nintendo eg motion controllers, then something like MOVE comes out and all the Sony fans shit their panties with excitement.”

A Big +1 on that point MG.

Said fans do the samething with IPs as well. Mario Kart and Smash Bros are just kidie games, but LBPK and All Stars are AMAZING!!!

@59

Exactly, totally the same with IPs and it always has been since the Snes and Genesis…

Incredibly annoying, if not the most annoying thing for me on the forums.

Soon it’ll be Vita and PS4 features and Smartglass are awesome even though we hated the shitty Wii U pad.

Let’s face it, people dont like change, Nintendo shake things up that’s all.

I remember thinking the original DS looked bat shit crazy, then, after playing it I realised how cool it was for gaming.

At least Nintendo are brave enough to attempt and commit to new tech!

Gaming would be crazy boring without there wacky ideas!

@58 Unfortunately, and this is coming from someone to whom LittleBigPlanet is one of their favourite franchises of this gen, LBP Karting is altogether terrible, and a cheap and lazy ripoff. The controls are lazy, the mechanics are weak and uninspired, and criminally for a LittelBigPlanet game, it’s almost completely lacking in any charm whatsoever. ModNation Racers was a vastly better game.

At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who created the tech, as long as the experiences are fun. Whether its a WiiMote, Move controller or Kinect. It doesn’t bloody matter.

Iterative inspiration and copying the competition are part of every industry, and sitting around criticising one side over the other achieves nothing.

All that matter is whether the experience is fun or not.

@59 “At least Nintendo are brave enough to attempt and commit to new tech!”

Nintendo’s tech is no more “new” than any of the competitions’ is. They were just lucky enough that their ideas took off.

I agree, and I always thought Modnation racing was a great start to a promising kart franchise. I really think, had they stuck with that(maybe even cameo SackBoy and a few others in there) they actualy would have had a game to cover the Mee Too with Mario Kart.

Modnation was pretty well done I thought.

@60

It kind of does actually.

Why can’t we have 3 vastly different formats with different ways of playing?

MS and Sony are practically the same, it’s only Nintendo who goes out on a limb.

Nintendo’s ideas tend to take off more because they do this crazy thing after releasing them… Supporting them!!!

It’s called backing your horse!

No, that’s not to say I don’t have fun on MS and Sony machines, I’m just haven’t been wowed by their tech and products for a looooong time.

When I see a new Nintendo machine, it just makes me think of all the new possibilities, granted only about 20% of those are realised, buts it’s still fun to see new ideas being put forward!

Whenever I see Sony or MS announce something, I usually think, oh, that’s a bit like that Nintendo xxx…

It’s sad really.

Also, you really do take a Buddhist approach to the 3 platforms, ‘why can’t we all just have fun…’

However, even a Buddhist would know that Nintendo games offer a purer more life affirming gameplay balance that replicates the eb and flow of natural control and rhythms…

@62 “MS and Sony are practically the same, it’s only Nintendo who goes out on a limb.

Nintendo’s ideas tend to take off more because they do this crazy thing after releasing them… Supporting them!!!”

Because Microsoft hasn’t been supporting the Kinect at all… Oh, wait, they have. Constantly. Sometimes to the point of ramming of ramming it down people’s throat, sure, but to say they’re not supporting it is just ludicrous.

I won’t deny that Sony could do a far better job of supporting the Move, but I think that’s oversimplifying things. While they may take a traditional approach to design in general, I think it’s hard to deny that they’ve taken plenty of risks when it comes to creating inventive ideas for their games with their first party titles, alongside supporting a lot of third party games that anyone else (Nintendo included) would have considered very risky ventures. You just need to look at thatgamecompant for proof of that.

“However, even a Buddhist would know that Nintendo games offer a purer more life affirming gameplay balance that replicates the eb and flow of natural control and rhythms.”

I’m assuming this is a joke and not serious. =P

I do think Nintendo has a knack for cohesive gameplay. When they actually bother to put in the effort. Unfortunately, that effort doesn’t occur half as often as it used to. Their rehashing of the NSMB formula is getting especially tedious at this point.

@63

I would argue that MS support of Kinect was more of a ‘placeholder’ this gen, but yeah I get what your saying with Sony though.

I feel Kinect will come into its own but require a handheld controller too…

So, although supported, I think it’s been pretty weak this gen.

@OG and MG
Cancel what I said earlier, you REALLY like to shove your opinions in others throats. Tell me an article where I said move was awesome.
I would say Kinect the best tech to come out this gen. Although I think it has most of its potential outside of gaming, like medical etc.

“As for tablets being better and cheaper, it’s chalk and cheese really. All next gen consoles will be out of date within weeks compared to PCs and even things like the iPad in the near future.”
Yeah, I was stating tablets that are released one year before wiiu releases and its still a better and cheaper tablet (the chinese ones)

“However, even a Buddhist would know that Nintendo games offer a purer more life affirming gameplay balance that replicates the eb and flow of natural control and rhythms… ”
Keep your Buddhist approach to yourself please. All buddhist monks I met (We have lots of them here ) never have heard what a game console is, let alone wiiii-uuuuu.
Come out of your bubble and you will see that sony does a better job than any pubs at releasing innovative games.

*Goes to ashram and starts praying to cleanse his mind from the thoughts of war- console war *

@65

But the Wii U tablet IS a ‘Chinese one’… And that’s a whole other problem!

Anyway, it’s not a tablet, it’s a;

2 screen experience

http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/17/wii-u-gamepad-not-a-tablet-its-a-two-screen-experience-reggie/

A Chinese, 2 screen experience!

A chinese experience …
I have heard enough of that for a lifetime, it sucks, even though I am a dragon

Hey Dragon man, I just state my opinion, I would never force it on ya. But look at Sony, look at this gen, and tell me it doesn’t at least feel a little bit like they(and this putting it mildly) drew much inperation from Nintendo. With both Move and IPs being the main things that stand out.

And ofc here is the disclaimer, that is the way the way game industry works. Lots of products have come from ideas found in other products.

@68 They may have driven inspiration for Nintendo with the Move, but the gameplay thing is a very recent development, and I seriously hope PSA and LBPK end up being the only games to do this. Because most of Sony’s franchises stand up pretty darn well on their own, and they are far more experimental and creative than Nintendo has been in a very long time.

Maybe Mike, but if you go back to the 32bit days, Sony didn’t need to make the game themselves. Instead of Daytona PSx hosted Ridge Racer. Instead of Virtua Fighter, PSx had Tekken. And to be fair the industry has always worked a bit like this. Look at all of the companies trying get mascots Nintendo had Mario, Sega had Sonic, and Sony used both Crash and Spyro as the public mascot faces for their early systems. Even MS tried with stuff like Vodo Vince and a couple of other attemps I can’t recall at the moment. And that is just mascots.

Everyone today wants a FPS brand they can pitch. Sure CoD is king, but MS and Halo work pretty well too, and Sony has been trying to get their own from Killzone to Resistance to Warhawk/Starhawk.

All of proving what we both know, what we all know, just biz as usual in the games industry. Nothing new.

On topic: Doesn’t the whole, “making a loss” seem a change of tact for Ninty? Though tbh the loss could be a dollar a console…

I agree OM, something I wasn’t expecting to hear from Nintendo. I think it could be bad thing. Time will tell.

@68
“But look at Sony, look at this gen, and tell me it doesn’t at least feel a little bit like they(and this putting it mildly) drew much inperation from Nintendo. With both Move and IPs being the main things that stand out.”
So do you mean because ninty made motion gaming big, they are the sole custodians of it. As of now, ninty motion controllers are the worst in the business.
Do they own entire video game genres just because they were one of the first in them like ssb or mario kart etc.?
Its a pretty weak argument. They were great games, thats precisely why they are taken as inspirations, and these new games improve and expand the formula.
Ninty fans while watching anything All Stars -
“WOAH! That is a clone! SSB IS WAAAAAAY BETTER!
Really? Have they played the beta before reaching that conclusion. No. All-stars features entire new gameplay systems, but they only see that its a 4-person brawler and go, “SMASH BRO CLONE!!!”.
They really need to broaden their horizons to see there is much more to gaming than ninty.

#54

Sing along now:

Macho macho man,
I wanna be, a macho man.
(with girls wrists)
Macho macho man,
I can barely lift, a half-filled flan.

@73 I have. And beyond winning the fights in a different way, the game is completely ripped off from SSB in almost every way. Even the goddamn menus are a ripoff. And somehow, it manages to possess less in the process too. The character templates are basic and there’s almost nothing to them. It’s boring, charmless, and the aesthetic is a clusterfucked mess or inconsistency.

The problem with gamers like you is that your opinion is completely slanted in one direction. You’re not interested in an objective viewpoint. You just want to religiously defend a certain format.

I think OG is being way too convenient and praising with his stance on Ninty too mind. At least in this thread. You’re starting to show a blatant bias that skimps on one company’s responsibilities to bolster your negative opinion of another, and it’s starting to become more and more noticeable,

No Dragon ofc not, but often times there are leaders/inovaters and followers. Right now Sony are in follower mode. Instead of getting out in front of things, being new, being better they are mostly just chasing someone elses tail.

One of the best features, imo, this gen that Sony brought to the table is the wirelss usbmin to usb rechargable control pads for PS3. It wasn’t huge, but it worked. And it is a nice thing to have. Better then spending an extra 20usd for a play and charge kit.

That would be an example of being a leader. Another one would be PSN+. They have done that very few times this gen.

I know some folks will disagree, they see BR or 3D as a big thing. I don’t. My collection for BRs is very small. I still buy SD over BD in most cases. And I don’t own a 3D TV and don’t plan on getting on anytime soon. It isn’t inovating/leading if your the only ones pushing it.

BR isn’t the new standard, nor the standard of the future, digital is(just for clarification). And 3D will happen when A: it comes standard on every TV, and B: it doesn’t require glasses of any kind. I just think that Sony has shown that they don’t understand the market/consumer. Do I hate them? No. Prolly seems like it to folks like you and Lex tho. But it has gotten to a point where I don’t feel the need to even turn on my PS3, haven’t in a few days now. I don’t see that changing much, and I don’t feel any anticipation to own a PS4. I bought my PSx, PS2, and PS3 at launch. I might pick up a PS4 after a couple of years in with a lower price and more games.

some people like copycat ideas.. choose d original and not the copycat. for example, modnation is just a revised edition of mario kart. and copycat ideas never wins d original.

@75

Sony aren’t the only ones copying Nintendo. Smartglass would be a prime example of that.