Modern Warfare 2 map removed due to religious faux pas

@GIGA, Fine, if you want to believe that atheists & theists will not always. be arguing their seperate beliefs, that’s ok.

Theirs no compulsion on you to do anything.

@47, They’re not removing it because of something random that offends the religion. They’ve done something that was always offensive to the religion.

There is no compulsion to do anything but if you are going to do something, then at least do it correctly.

I don’t know how you address a person who calls you a dumbass and accuses of lies when you don’t put a ‘the’ in the name, whilst continously failing to form even the simplest english sentences.

If you weren’t around for a three exciting years, I would’ve thought you’re a top comedian.

Могу тебе фотку прислать.

@22, if that is truly your standpoint then you, your fellow followers and all the religious on the planet have to shut the fuck up and take it on the chin.

If you’re going to hold a belief for which you refuse to offer proof then you cannot hold others to the standards of your religion. If your religion is defined as a personal belief in the unprovable, keep it personal. If there is holy text in a bathroom in a video game, accept it, if South Park or some European newspaper depicts Mohammed in a cartoon, accept it. I’m not singling out Muslims here, same goes for Christians, I don’t want to hear arguments for political policy or censorship in the media (entertainment or otherwise) based on Christian belief either.

I’m sure someone will tell me I should respect other peoples beliefs, I do and you should respect mine. I don’t believe in anything, therefore I am not constrained by any of your or anyone else holy laws, for you to insist I cannot draw Mohammed is to force your beliefs upon me, beliefs which you have argued are personal and unprovable, so why should I be constrained by them and why should you care if I defy them? If your religion requires that you get upset about these things, perhaps it’s not as personal as you’re making out.

In a free society this shouldn’t be a problem. Each to their own, no offence meant, none taken, I simply do not believe what you believe.

@46: How about no? Islam and Christianity are both retarded religions and should be mocked whenever possible.

I have no tolerance for intolerance.

“@GIGA, Fine, if you want to believe that atheists & theists will not always. be arguing their seperate beliefs, that’s ok.”

That’s not what I said.

Don’t get confused between one point of contention and every single possible point of contention.

@52, Ew, your rational & logical approach to this offends me!

Just out of interest, is it actually religious text? It is Activision & their handling of foreign language isn’t great.

It could simple read “brush hair to look pretty” for all I know :-/

@GIGA, But that’s what I’ve been saying all along… I wasn’t singling you out, I was pointing out the pointlessness of atheist/theists (in general) arguing their beliefs.

@54 & 57, If a little more respect had been shown towards the religion in the first place, by not putting the text there at all, then you wouldn’t even have this problem.

It seems like more effort to do something wrong than not doing it at all.

“If your religion is defined as a personal belief in the unprovable, keep it personal.”

It’s not a personal belief. What are you talking about? This is a Religion that is practiced by about a quarter of the population of the entire planet.

It’s anything but personal.

I could just as easily turn this around on you.

Your lack of faith is based on the unprovable. All the “scientific” formulas and theories in the world can’t prove that a Creator doesn’t exist. So shut up or jog on.

Why are you atheists constantly trying to push your disbelief on others? Telling us we believe in fairy tales, and old men who live in the clouds? You can’t prove a thing, so keep it to yourself.

“for you to insist I cannot draw Mohammed is to force your beliefs upon me, beliefs which you have argued are personal and unprovable, so why should I be constrained by them and why should you care if I defy them?”

Who am I holding to the standards of my religion??

Where did you get this nonsense from?

What beliefs have I or anyone else ever forced on you?

I think you’re being hypocritical here, anyway, but do correct me if I’m wrong…

If I was to start saying that people with dwarfism should be executed at birth, or that homosexuals should be cured from psychological disorders, or that children who are victims of sexual abuse are the ones to blame for what happened to them, you’d consider me less than some unidentifiable, foul smelling mucus that you just scraped off your shoe.

We don’t live in a free world where we can say what we like about anything that we want.

Don’t be so naive.

You’re confused, because you’ve failed to understand the difference between someone reacting to deliberate provocation, and someone forcing their views on others.

If you intentionally try and offend someone, guess what, they’re going to get offended.

They’re going to react.

You can offend people in different ways. In some cultures, if you don’t belch out loud after your meal as a guest, people get offended (could just be an urban myth, but you get the point). In other cultures, belching out loud at a meal is the height of rudeness.

You need to learn to appreciate that not everyone is bound by the rules of your own particular culture. Just because something is small in your eyes doesn’t mean that the rest of the world has to change themselves to accommodate you.

Muslims don’t come into your house and tell you what you should or shouldn’t do. Nobody does that.

Nobody constrains you or puts barriers up as to what you can and can’t do.

But if you do something, knowing that you’re going to offend people, whether you can understand why they take offence to that action or not, hoping to get a reaction, don’t be surprised when people want to retaliate.

The point here is what is it doing in Favela? That’s in South America right? Very weird.

@57:

It says: “Indeed Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty”

It’s from a hadith:

‘Abdullaah ibn Mas’ood radiallaahu ‘anhu who related that Allaah’s Messenger sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said: “Whoever has an atoms worth of kibr (pride) in his heart will not enter Paradise.” So a man said: What about a person who loves (i.e. takes pride in) wearing beautiful clothes and beautiful shoes? So he replied: “Indeed Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty. Kibr (pride) is to reject the truth, and to despise the people.

That’s why someone may have originally had it as part of a real mirror/picture frame that an unsuspecting artist copied without knowing what it was.

@61:

It was probably just in a generic objects folder, and got placed there by a level builder.

I think people needs to realize this would offend/affect some people or group of people, in this case, muslims, they have as any group of people in this world,( and when i said a group of people it can be from a relegious point of view, or politics, believes, way of living, or in any idea/ believe/ likings that unites them), they have their set of believes and ideas ,therefore if they find something that goes against those believes or ideas, in an insulting way, they have the right to feel bad about it, and to let it know, like any person or group of people that are being insulted on their believes, and this is not calling for censorship, or for attacking freedonm or speach, or anything like that, is just because another human being is being affected by it, so with a nice bit of empathy we should understand that, we just need to think in what we hold dear to us, and if that is insulted in a way, we want that to stop or te let know the others the way we feel about it in order to stop it, so in the end we just need to put in everyone shoes/hats and have tolerance and empathy about it.

@54, Fully agreed.

@60, How was he trying to push atheism on to you? & yes, religion should be personal & because it has been forced upon us non-believers, it dictates how we act & that’s just not on. We should all live by moral codes but they shouldn’t be dictated by a religion. Things like no murdering, raping or thievery are just common sense & we don’t need a religion to tell us that while things like woman can’t drive or leave their house without permission- that’s plain crazy, all humans are born equal.

GUYS CAN YOU ALL STFU ABOUT RELIGION THANKS

Manu you old hippy!!

Anyway, as I understand it, the Quran cannot be stored in a bathroom, but this is a phrase from the Quran being used as decoration & I thought that was ok?

So is it a case that no Islamic text should be shown in a bathroom?

@65, Now now Fin, it’s like your gonna catch a sudden case of theism

#66 Orbit LOL…. well yes iam a kind of old hippy myself, is a part of my nature, yep you can call me that, that will fit , among other things as well

@62 – I’m confused – how is it offensive to reproduce the text in a game, but not on a forum thread? Is it the writing? The language? Genuinely, I have no idea but I’m very curious.

“How was he trying to push atheism on to you?”

I distinctly said “you atheists“. Meaning you as a group.

Then I gave examples of trying to spread atheism through attempted mockery and ridicule from this very thread. I wasn’t singling him out in my example.

“because it has been forced upon us non-believers”

That’s complete nonsense.

So growing up in the UK, are you going to tell me that atheism was forced on me? Being that I went to schools where I was taught that saying that we evolved from ape like creatures is an indisputable scientific fact, and that the government and media all supported this?

I think you’ll find that there are next to no Biblical laws that you have to abide by, living in the West in this day and age.

“we don’t need a religion to tell us that while things like woman can’t drive”

Show me exactly where the religion of Islam says this.

Take as long as you like…

I know a bunch of Muslims who wouldn’t be offended by that. I remember playing WWII games and gunning Yanks inside a bombarded church, and no one gave a fuck.
It’s a random object in a random game. It’s supposed to be fun and nothing else.

You can’t argue with a person who thinks ‘religion’ is about following cookie cutter ethics.

That’s some fundamentally empty psyche.

@66,69:

It’s not from the Qur’an, it’s a Hadith.

The hadith mentions the name of God, so it’s obviously in written form on the frame.

It’s just our belief that the name of God should never be mistreated or abused in any way, including shooting it off of a wall, where it’s going to fall into a toilet.

Obviously.

@73

So if they made it a static piece of scenery that didn’t fall off the wall it would be okay? Seems like that would be easier than removing it…

I think the best thing to do is simply replace the texture with a blank one.

@75: I think it would be best if you simply ignored it.

^ Do you even play the game?

@77: Yes.

And here’s something i do if i play a game that includes material that offends me:

I stop playing it.

@75 …perhaps, but is it really necessary, according to the religion?

@78:

You play MW2? What platform?

@79:

They shouldn’t have used it in the first place. I worked for about 9 years as an environment artist, and I would never, ever have dreamt of putting a texture into a game if I didn’t know what it said.

For this reason, precisely.

For all I know, I could put some Malay text into a game that was racist, or some extreme sexual reference.

@80: PC.

Obviously the work of zionist jews. they already control hollywood and you see anti christian/ anti islam alot in movie references. They’ve also sadly hit the video games sector. This was intentional. Putting something about Muhammed being peaceful directly above a toilet seat! Who ever placed that pic there is saying bullshit to islam and mohammed being all about peace.

one thing we all have learned from this is that muslims are big cry babies. you would think trying get rid of all the hacking that have ruined mw2, was of the more important but noooooooo… the stupidity is just hilarious…

@82:

You are a dirty, dirty little liar…

http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=6423#post-37028

Now jog on.

A word to rioting Muslims…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXHPKhRCVg

@86: I got it as a christmas present, just like Call of Duty 4.

What’s your point anyway?

You clearly are not a man of principles, you rather play and bitch, than to abandon the game insults your believe. I bet you also eat bacon and eggs for breakfast.

Also note that the article mentions that the same texture has been used in Call of Duty MW 3, so either way, i’m right.

^ Blah, blah, blah, carry on, liar.

You don’t play the game. You don’t even like CoD, and haven’t even played it for the last 10 months, according to you, so this story has absolutely ZERO to do with you.

You’re just an antagonistic, dirty little liar with nothing better to do than spread your faeces all over the internet.

Go lie to someone else.

Talking to idiots like you is a waste of my time.

@89: According to Steam, the last time i played MW3 was january 26th 2012. If my math isn’t off, it’s less than 10 months, so i win again.

And yes, i don’t like Call of Duty. It’s a series that really gotten boring. I think i didn’t even reach lvl 10 in MW3 before i stopped playing it.

Still, without my help, you manage to make yourself look like a total fool.

Why did you continue to play a game (Not one but three) that insults your believe, bacon-eater? Why can’t you answer a simple question like that?

You’re one of those extremely pretentious religious people. The useless kind. You remember your religion when it suits you, you forget it when it doesn’t.

I’m just wondering, does anyone think this thread could exceed the 300 comments or whatever of the epic Nintendo one?

@91: Impossible without the help of OlderGamer and monkeygourmet.

So much ignorance to be found in one single word: Faith.

Best to live and let live.

Imo, Acti should have just removed the text or not removed the text. Taking down a whole map is extreme and, again, imo, wrong. Nope, don’t play CoD, don’t like it, and don’t care. But if this issue were to be in any other game, I would advise the same action.

lol @ YoungZ as if on que I guess. I was reading the thread, basicly a no win situation.

@93
That’s what they can do quickly and on their side without patching the game – so as to be seen to be doing something. A patch will remove it and the map will then return. They can’t turn around a patch overnight though.

^ Exactly.

@60, Yeah, not sure these “provocations are actually provocations or if they are simply interpreted as such, and even if they are intended to provoke there are different ways to react. Not sure death threats are ever the best reaction.

Perhaps I am being naive in believing that the rest of the world could use a good dose of objectivity in their thinking. Obviously the world you envision where everyone has to treat everybody else like they’re made of glass is a good future.

Maybe people should take a good hard look over what they get offended about. I could easily have been offended that you chose to put words in my mouth and stereotype me as some sort of religion hating atheist, none of which I expressed in any way whatsoever in the course of this thread, instead I’m just going to point out that you were wrong to do that, because I haven’t discussed it with you and you’re leaping to conclusions based on the one single opinion I have expressed here and the fact that I do no agree with your theistic view of the world.

As for “Personal Belief” possibly the wrong words, but it’s one you have chosen rather than one that has been forced on you, correct? Therefore I don’t think it’s too much to expect that you respect the choice of others not to believe and leave them to it even if you find anything they do offensive as per your beliefs. I believe that attempting to restrict media output based on your beliefs construes forcing it on others.

Acti should have just removed the text or not removed the text. Taking down a whole map is extreme
Tell me more about it. How do you ‘remove the text’?

‘Imo’, ignorant customers should refrain from useless advices. Just my two cents.

Why are people acting like this is an attack on freedom of speech? Activision have incorrectly misused an item. They have been politely informed of this. They have chosen to fix this.

Their is no hidden Islamic agenda here, merely assumptions & misinformation.

@98: How about you follow your own advice?

^Coming from a horny student who has nothing better to do other than spewing his angst ridden bs on the internet?

I can’t follow that advice, since I’m not a customer.