Modern Warfare 2 map removed due to religious faux pas

So you don’t pay for your videogames. Good to know.

No, unfortunately I’m amongst people who create toys for horny scumbags such as you.

Sorry, i don’t play shovelware.

There’s nothing to be sorry about, last time I was involved in shovelware I was an angsty student.

So you’re still involved in shovelware, got it.

Language barrier again I see.

This thread is hilarious.

“Not sure death threats are ever the best reaction.”

Rampaging, rioting, killing innocent people, causing unnecessary havoc and chaos are nothing to do with Islam. And while these things have, admittedly, been done by Muslims, what they were doing was wrong.

I don’t disagree with their right to take offence, but without question, they reacted in the wrong way, and in the end, as your comments prove, it’s counter productive, because it’s the religion that comes off looking bad in the eyes of those who know little about it.

“Obviously the world you envision where everyone has to treat everybody else like they’re made of glass is a good future.”

It’s not quite that extreme. I just think people should just treat others as they would hope to be treated themselves. There’s no benefit, whatsoever, in mocking and ridiculing the beliefs of others, and it only serves as a clear attempt to undermine them.

“ I could easily have been offended that you chose to put words in my mouth and stereotype me as some sort of religion hating atheist”

Well, if you’re not a religion hating atheist, then comments such as: “you, your fellow followers and all the religious on the planet have to shut the fuck up and take it on the chin.” aren’t really doing you any favours, now are they?

“I believe that attempting to restrict media output based on your beliefs construes forcing it on others.”

I’m not sure if I used the word personal before you did, but… as far as the point above goes, then I refer you to my previous point.

What if the texture had been offensive to gays/ethnic minorities/disabled/etc?

Would they then be forcing their desires on to you?

He’s given up trying to troll me, so he’s going for you, DM.

@110: Still can’t answer that question, eh?

Awww, poor, poor muslims chose to be offended once again. ;< And so the eternal butthurt contiunes…

Seriously, is there ANYTHING in the world that they don't find offensive? I'm seriously starting to believe that there are some kind of muslim censorship basements in which every single piece of art or entertainment known to mankind is thoroughly analysed for the smallest details that they might find offensive. (it's obviously not true, just saying it in case it might cause another muslimbutthurt)

Mr. G1GABUTTHURTZ, the few first comments were so obviously sarcastic that I don't see why your reaction was so drastic. Then you started to refer to those people as "idiots", and went on with "You obviously hold absolutely NOTHING sacred in your lives" (YEAH, THOSE F***ING KAFIRS!) – just WHAT THE F*CK? RELAX. And for such a small detail, why do you even care and make such a fuss about it? :l Who in the world goes around a map looking for these details anyway? I don't see christians being offended by a cross being placed in a more or less appropriate location, be it a computer game or a film. What if I find it offensive that you were offended by a 2×2 TEXTURE IN A GAME? Now you're making my game worse by making a map less detailed, LOOK WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, I'M SO OFFENDED I'M WRITING IT IN CAPS.

@112, So you created a account so you could troll a fellow poster who was/has been rational & reasonable regarded the representation of his faith?

Obviously you fail to see the irony in your butt-hurted over-reaction to the offense his maturity has caused you.

“Shut up, fools. You obviously hold absolutely NOTHING sacred in your lives”

If it’s a rational, reasonable and mature way to react to sarcasm then I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

And I didn’t create an account just to comment on his post (since when a critical response = trolling? oO), my account is about ~1 year old.

@113, Wouldn’t say rational or reasonable, that’s not what faith is about.

^ you found anything to back up your claim, yet?

@zinc:

Thank you. It’s better to just completely ignore the blatant trolls, though.

@116, I respect your faith, it’s just you growing up with it as a part of your life you feel different about the way you express it than us Westerners (although technically Australia is among the most Eastern countries, we’re still a mostly Western culture). It’s not the religion itself we have a problem with but the way Muslims express it. It’s mainly just a small minority making a bad name for the larger communities with things like a couple honour killings happening in Australia- it will hit national news & the Islamic culture & religion will be blamed which I don’t think is fair.

I am British. I grew up in England (and Germany). My family are a mixture of practicing and non-practicing Christians, and I became Muslim in 1998 after first learning about it in 1997.

“It’s mainly just a small minority making a bad name for the larger communities with things like a couple honour killings happening in Australia- it will hit national news & the Islamic culture & religion will be blamed which I don’t think is fair.”

You’re right it’s not fair. It’s the same media sensationalism that’s somehow managed to convince you that Islam says that women aren’t allowed to drive, when this is in fact, nothing to do with the religion. It’s a man made law in KSA (actually, it’s not even a law, but it’s enforced through a technicality) that has no explicit basis in the religion.

You just have to be able to make the distinction between the actions of people who, in all likelihood, probably don’t even practice anywhere near properly anyway, and the Religion itself.

@114, I believe this thread started with assumptions being made, then jokes towards Islam, which were then refuted by GIGA, who then (quite calmly) replied to various piss-takes & illinformed accusations.

Personally I cannot see the logic behind asking people to be reasonable, whilst insulting their beliefs. Which is all that has happened in this thread.

Plus it seems only the atheists getting all worked up over this tbh. Activision have been politely asked to remove a faux pas. They have accepted this & acted accordingly.

@119:

Seriously? You don’t understand why people are getting worked up over this? Muslims get offended over bullshit, Activision apologises and makes the whole map UNAVAILABLE for EVERYONE. That wouldn’t have happened if those muslims would stop being so easily offended.

Do you not understand that what’s holy to you, isn’t holy to us and you should respect too? If i burn a Quran or a Bible, how the fuck is that your problem? I didn’t burn YOUR Quran/Bible.

Not to say Christians are any better, but you think they would’ve cried like little children and forced the developer to change something so FUCKING irrelevant?

And again, if you have such a huge problem with that: DON’T PLAY IT. Don’t be such a huge hypocrite.

@120, Good grief child read your post.

Burning religious text shouldn’t be considered offensive? Have you no respect for cultural attitudes that differ to your own?

@118, It’s the Islamic culture that forbids many woman’s right, not the religion, I am aware of this.

@121: Where did i say it shouldn’t be considered offensive? He can be offended as much as he wants.

Also: Culture =/= Religion

@122: Wrong: http://quran.com/4/34

The bible is no better. It states that you can stone your son to death if he’s a drunk/not to your satisfaction. Or your daughter, if she’s not a virgin before her wedding night.

^ I might consider actually responding to this ignoramus if he wasn’t such a bare faced liar. But because of that fact, he gets none of my time.

@122:

Saudi (a single country of many, many Muslim countries) culture prevents women from driving.

Islam is a religion, and doesn’t have a culture, by definition.

As Ron B would say ‘Well that escalated quickly”

Arab, Muslim, Middle Eastern culture, whatever. Point being many of the oppressive rules are because of misinterpretations of their own religion. Not that the Quran actually teaches fairness of woman, it does mention some basic freedoms they should but not all are entitled to.

@126: I don’t think so, to be honest. For example, if you read the old testament, it’s pretty clear who wrote it; old men who wanted more power. It’s a tool to enslave more than anything else. Nothing peaceful about that.

But that’s the funny part about religious people, as soon as you quote from their book, they lose every chance to ‘win’ the argument. So they go into silent mode.

Or Team Deathmatch, depending on how loyal they are to their belief.

This is a fucking horrible thread.

In some Islamic cultures absolutions are said even before taking the Quran out. Is it not even slightly understandable that seeing the name of God in a toilet might fuck them off just a little bit?

I had no idea that people who pass judgement so easily know so little about the faith itself. Pro-tip while it might be distantly related to Christianity, the teaching and holy scripture is completely different. While the Bible’s parables are easily understood the Quran is the exact opposite. No one person can issue statements on its intent without years of study. arguement and interpretation.

@127, Your demanding open-mindness & tolerance, but offering none. Your mind is set so discussion is moot & the perceved insult minor compared to the energy spent on protest…

The rational atheist, exposing hypocrisy , especially his own.

@129: Right, i don’t have any tolerance for intolerance. I won’t force any game developer to change their game so it suits my needs. I won’t burn any flags and i won’t kill any ambassadors. I will simply ignore it. Is that too much to ask? Ignore it, or don’t play it.

You never see Buddhist act like oversensitive children. Now why is that?

*shakes her head* All this fuss is being blown out of proportion I think, and I think the words of Steven Fry say it best to answer all this “I’m offended by that” nonsense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ&feature=related

@130. Yeah Buddhist’s…

http://geoconger.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/buddhist-riot-over-akon-concert-in-sri-lanka-the-church-of-england-newspaper-april-9-2010-p-8/

P.S. If that text had read “New DmC is crap” I think you would be singing a different tune.

@131, Never underestimate the intolerance & entitlement felt by certain gamers :-/

It’s all very dumb though.

There’s a vast majority of moderate muslims who don’t flip their shit over this sort of thing. They don’t like it, but they don’t raise hell and expect to be accomodated. Had Activision done nothing, they would consider them assholes, and go on with their lives.

You have to be careful when the TV is showing you pictures of hundreds of people in protest around embassies, when you’re talking about a society comprised of 40 million people.

Especially when those embassies are American, and you have regimes who may use that excuse to fuck their shit up a bit, or at least pay a few guys to show up and be angry.

Beyond that, making the divide seem deeper than it truly is, is good TV. News are entertainment, a lot of those guys want ratings just as bad as Jersey Shore and American Idol.

“A few hundred guys show up for protest in Cairo” isn’t as good a headline as “MIDDLE EAST ON FIRE”.

Also Manchester Cathedral vs Resistance: Fall of Man. Also Family Research Council vs SWTOR. Monotheists are always going to demand special treatment for themselves. Being both the keepers of the ultimate truth, as well as followers of the very real and infallible God and all.

@134 Agreed, every group has it’s rotten eggs and taring everyone with the same brush is stup4id in and off itself.
This may be anecdotal, must I know some that live on my street and I haven’t had any problems with them in the 8 years I’ve lived in this house.

@132: I wouldn’t give a single fuck if this text would say anything about DmC. That’s their thing. It’s not going to change what i think about DmC.

That’s not even the problem here. The text in said game says nothing negative about the Islam, It says and i quote the-man-with-big-mouth-and-without-principles: “Indeed Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty”.

That is so offensive.

@136, You are not getting it at all are you? Even after it has been fully explained ?

Ok, here: Muslims beleve the Quran is the actual word of god. They believe all copies & text within should be treated with respect. Washing your hands before handling is a must. It is considered a insult to God to place the Quran in a bathroom. Hence the polite request for Activision to remove said item.

Cue a week or two without Favella… A huge insult to all the CoD worshippers such as yourself. Apparently.

@125:

“Not that the Quran actually teaches fairness of woman, it does mention some basic freedoms they should but not all are entitled to.”

Such as…

“But that’s the funny part about religious people, as soon as you quote from their book, they lose every chance to ‘win’ the argument. So they go into silent mode.”

Fool.

I’ve stopped communicating with you, because you’re a liar.

I can appreciate that you’re not able to fully understand this point, so I’m going to break it down to you.

1. As a Muslim, honesty and integrity is at the apex of good human character, as far as I’m concerned.

I can see that to you, lying is no biggie at all. You probably do it frequently, so doing it probably means absolutely nothing in your eyes. To you, lying is probably like drinking water. Goes down easy.

When you blatantly LIED to try and ‘win’ on the internet, you lost 100% of the tiny piece of respect that I may have had in your case.

To me, you’re now on the same level as Maxine Carr.

Nothing more than a liar who needs no time being wasted on.

2. This is one difference between people who follow a faith, and people who claim to set their own moral compass.

When you have a clear set of rules as to what is and isn’t good human behaviour, there’s no possibility of lowering and lowering the standard until your moral compass becomes so corrupt that you lose the ability to differentiate between right and wrong.

People of faith, the practicing ones who follow their religion from the original source, be they Muslim, Christian, Jew or whatever, don’t have a continually degenerating set of moral standards that can only ever end in an individual seeing absolutely nothing wrong in things such as lying, cheating, stealing, and much worse than that.

I’m not saying that every non-religious person is like that, just as I’m not saying that every believer is 100% honest. Of course there are many non-believers who are known to be very honest.

But you clearly aren’t among them.

So what sort of example are you?

Why should any person of faith accept the way that you’re trying to preach (that’s exactly what you’re doing) disbelief? To become a liar?

To become some sort of base desire chasing individual whose lot in life is to drink himself into unconsciousness and lie like an animal, in his own vomit, by the side of the road at 4AM on a Saturday morning?

You’re a liar who doesn’t even understand why lying is wrong. You can probably justify it to yourself like waving a fly away from about your head.

Your own moral compass is corrupt, and in order to come to terms with that, you have to spend your time trying to spread your own set of corrupt principles, until everyone around you is equally damaged.

You keep your corrupt morals, and your bad character. I’ll stick with trying to adhere to the excellent ones that Islam teaches me, thanks.

3. If you think that you’re going to Google a couple of Islamophobic websites and suddenly prove some non-existent point, then go ahead, fill your boots.

So what’s your contention with the verse? That the One who created all of mankind can’t give a husband a degree of responsibility over his wife? Why? Because you, the morally corrupted liar, thinks that it’s unfair?

That the One who created all of mankind can’t give steps to help keep the family unit together if one of them is causing it to break up?

There are three very distinct steps here if a husband, who is charged with maintaining and supporting his family (whether he wants to or not), is sure that his wife is going to cause the break up of their family through indecent behaviour.

First, warn her. This should be enough for any spouse in any loving relationship. Second, don’t sleep with her. If step one failed, then you can be sure that being made to sleep in a separate bed is going to send out the message, loud and clear. Third, ‘strike’ her. But how is this ‘strike’? It’s no more than a symbolic, restrained hit on the body to let her know that the next step is divorce and the destruction of the family. The proof of this is well documented in many Islamic texts. At no time is it ever allowed for a husband to physically abuse his wife by doing anything that leaves a mark, or a bruise. Hitting ANY person in the face is also completely forbidden in the religion.

This is all to avoid divorce, and keep the family together, so that the children can grow up in a healthy environment where they’re not going to grow up disadvantaged. The negative effects on most children who grow up in single parent families are well documented, and they don’t need me to explain them here.

The family unit in Islam is one of equality, but the roles are not identical. Just like the midfield captain of the team’s role is not identical to that of the goalkeeper. They are both equal in terms of their importance to the team. If they ever decided to step out of their defined roles, then you can be sure that the team is going to lose.

So while you rushed to quote this verse, why did you not quote any of these? http://www.submission.info/perspectives/women/equality.html

Because you don’t know anything about Islam, or the Qur’an, and you’re just sitting there, Googling away, trying to look for the most negative interpretation that you can try to conjure up in your deceitful, lying mind.

It’s all very ironic anyway, since, if you live in the West, you live in a society where domestic abuse is incredibly common. Where the family unit has degenerated into such a mess that single parent families are the complete norm. Where there is generation after generation of people failing to grasp the importance of marriage and sticking with the responsibility of raising children properly. Then of course, you’ve got the ridiculously high sexual assault rates, and the general consensus that beauty is what makes a woman. Women are sexual objects in the West, used to sell all sorts of things and make the 1% richer.

I’ll tell you what, if I was a woman (now there’s a thought), I’d rather live in a properly practicing Islamic society than in one where there’s a very high probability that I’m going to be sexually assaulted, continually judged on my physical appearance, and suffer from anxiety, depression and a whole host of other psychological problems due to the general culture.

Just look at Britney Spears! Now there’s a prime example of what Western culture can do to a “free” woman.