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Booth babe ban: we must support EG Expo’s initiative

Thursday, 4th October 2012 10:12 GMT By Patrick Garratt

EG Expo head Rupert Loman yesterday followed PAX bosses in outright banning the use of booth babes at his event. E3 and gamescom must follow his lead on this offensive anachronism, says Patrick Garratt.

Booth babes at games events are the post-ban cigarette in the bar, a pervasive stink modernisers politely ignore until eventually, inevitably, some brave soul has to insist that the offender take their antediluvian discourtesy outside.

One of the fiercest debates in games this year has centred on sexism, and more specifically on whether or not its overt form – both in terms of content and marketing – still has a place in the industry. The entire subject crystalised yesterday when Eurogamer Expo promulgated an apology for allowing booth babes into its 2012 event, adding that their presence would be spiflicated from next year’s show.

This is great or terrible, depending on who you are. Feminists in both the specialist and mainstream media have seized on the topic recently, calling for a serious shift in attitudes from publishers, developers and journalists when it comes to inimical depictions of women. Right wingers, usually timidly waving their breast-shaped flags on social media as opposed to presenting a cogent argument as to why the rubric of games brutally sexualising the female form should be maintained, have been in a perpetual state of eye-rolling at the entire morass. A clamp-down on booth babes and sexualisation seriously represents censorship and inhibits freedom of expression and speech, say they.

Utter bullshit. The notion is, of course, ridiculous and indefensible. A great many people are offended by sexist marketing. It’s 2012, not 1990. Women’s rights, quite correctly, present a ferocious contemporary battleground, and one that must be ultimately won by proponents of plenary sexual equality. Rupert Loman, the managing director of Eurogamer Network and the boss of Eurogamer Expo, is right to have taken a stand in this case. A company who hadn’t exhibited at the show before arrived this year with a gaggle of soubrettes wearing QR codes on their hot-pants. In case it wasn’t clear, the idea of this “stunt” was that people should use their phones to scan the codes in from models’ backsides on the showfloor. If you have this kind of activity in your show, you’re associated with it. You’re condoning it. Rupert clearly decided he didn’t want his name mired with presenting this style of sell-tactics to the thousands of children and families that crammed into Eurogamer Expo last week.

If you’re still arguing that big-tit marketing in a show open to the general public is “just a bit of fun,” it’s probably time for resipiscence. This isn’t about whether or not the women being employed have the right to do the job, but rather that femininity is being reduced to “make us bend over and shoot our asses because you’re a perennially erect, two-footed penis. You have no brain: you will buy this product because we marketed at your biology like an 0898 number in the back of a ‘lads’ mag. Women are asses you want to fuck. You’re a fuck-rod. Now give us some money.” It’s broadside contumeliousness. If women want to work in industries in which they’re distilled to the sum of their sexual parts, that’s entirely up to them; what is being contested here is the right of companies to commit such depredations before mainstream audiences.

The ontogeny of the sexism in games debate recapitulates the phylogeny of the subject in general. As with the rest of society, the games trade, however slowly, has become acutely aware that using sex to sell in this way is, to say the least, solecistic. While bumptious lefties have repeated the message to the point of palilalia, susurruses of discontent are now being heard across the spectrum and the momentum’s obvious: it’s widely accepted that the tottering lasciviousness we’ve previously endured at E3 and gamescom is anachronistic. It’s not up for debate hereafter. Eurogamer Expo’s move transmutes the booth babe issue from theory to fact in Europe, and PAX has already made the step. It’s happened, and other games shows should now find themselves pressured to follow suit. It’s time: ban the booth babe.

Inuring to the use of show models isn’t a female manumission – although some crusaders may well see it as such – but, less grandly, is about ensuring sexuality can’t be discomfortingly and capitalistically exploited in everyday environments over which we can exert control. Booth babes at games events are the post-ban cigarette in the bar, a pervasive stink modernisers politely ignore until eventually, inevitably, some brave soul has to insist that the offender take their antediluvian discourtesy outside. Finally, we have an unirenic landlord, Rupert Loman, with the sangfroid to pull the ashtrays from the tables and point to the door. Some things, we have learned with time, should be kept out of public spaces: sexist marketing is one of them.

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  1. Ireland Michael

    Cue countless young males whiney about the rest of us being prissy and uptight.

    Couldn’t agree with this sentiment more. Either present women respectfully or go back to the playground with the other grown up kids.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. FinalStar

    Am I the only one who finds it a bit strange that Eurogamer now is claiming a no-tolerance policy on booth babes and can’t even bring itself to post a picture in the respective article (something like the one shown up here surely wouldn’t have done harm) yet happily posted articles e.g. about Shag-a-Gamer along with images and videos of the “service”? Even with the reasoning of “but that’s news” the visual stuff wouldn’t have been necessary.

    And Penny Arcade, well… they’re banning booth babes but apparently have no problems whatsoever with the who Dickwolf debacle including making fun in PAX sessions of people who feel different? Go figure.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Richard Plant

    Absolutely agree Pat, couldn’t have said it better myself.

    The problem which EG are attempting to address here is not the larger issue of the sexual bias in society, no games trade show has the weight to do anything about that. No, it’s the attempt to interpellate the audience into the position of the protagonists of Revenge of the Nerds.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. TheBlackHole

    Hot women – Awesome.

    Games – Awesome.

    But yeah, that EG expo stunt was fucking awful.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. fightclubdoll

    My faith in humanity …and my vocabulary… grew as a result of reading that. Thanks, Pat. =-)

    I’d like to think that devs and publishers want to welcome female gamers like myself just as much as they welcome the guys. But they’re saying we don’t matter if they fill the expo halls with these hired women only there to be exploited as sex objects. They’re saying that they’re only interested in catering to males, and stupid males at that. And I don’t wish to see Chippendales men parading around with codes printed on their full monties, either. It would be just as insulting.

    Moreover, I do want events to which I could bring my little girl and we could enjoy the community of gamers and the games we love without having to wade through an obstacle course of embarrassing sleeze. That’s not why we play, and it really doesn’t belong at all. If anything, it might keep us away.
    And we really shouldn’t be kept away. We’re part of the community.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. TheBlackHole

    @2

    Interesting point.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. dirigiblebill

    “The ontogeny of the sexism in games debate recapitulates the phylogeny of the subject in general.”

    Yeah, you work that vocab babes.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. Karooo

    Pat you are an incredible writer. Mind blown.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Old MacDonald

    Brits. :)

    #9 2 years ago
  10. Mr Tom

    /reads article
    /sighs
    /gets dictionary out
    /starts re-reading article
    /gives up
    /faps

    #10 2 years ago
  11. FinalStar

    Another thought as I came across a comment on EG that pointed it out: If women’s rights are so important for Rupert & Co., why was nothing done to stop the QR-butts as soon as possible?

    You can’t really tell me there was no way to get the company responsible to get them to get their booth persons to dress up in shorts if you really wanted to. Maybe it would have cost some money (due to breach of contract or whatever), but surely there would have been possibilities.

    Letting things go on for three days and complaining after the fact, well… that’s not the most convincing way to take a stand.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Fin

    @11

    Sup bro.

    From here http://www.eurogamer.net/forum/thread/242422

    “At this year’s show three companies showed up with booth babes. Two in particular we thought were dressed inappropriately. As a short term measure we told them to move into the 18+ zone, and we asked some of them to put on leggings as well.”

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Docker Al

    Gave the thesauras a workout didn’t we? Seriously though the hypocrisy of the male author is breath-taking. Who gave you the right to DICKtate to women about how they can earn a quid? It’s wrong and they can’t do it because a man said so? Go down to the beach and tell the women there that their bikinis are offensive and see how far you get. That’s a family environment isn’t it?Big words can’t hide the fact that the author is both ignorant and sexist.And to the women readers out there the next time you go out be sure to check with Pat if the clothes you’re wearing are ok by him.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. KrazyKraut

    “A company who hadn’t exhibited at the show before arrived this year with a gaggle of soubrettes wearing QR codes on their hot-pants. In case it wasn’t clear, the idea of this “stunt” was that people should use their phones to scan the codes in from models’ backsides on the showfloor. If you have this kind of activity in your show, you’re associated with it. You’re condoning it. Rupert clearly decided he didn’t want his name mired with presenting this style of sell-tactics to the thousands of children and families that crammed into Eurogamer Expo last week.”

    Exactly, this is the most important part. And its not about families, its the image of a woman,too

    Here an old, but still interesting story/video SFW ofc:
    http://www.destructoid.com/ces-2010-booth-babe-horror-stories-documentary-160218.phtml

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Gheritt White

    Man alive, I couldn’t believe the some of the booth-babes’ outfits at this year’s show! Some publishers must have thought it was an expo for Brazzers.com!

    #15 2 years ago
  16. jacobvandy

    tl;dr

    #16 2 years ago
  17. FinalStar

    @12

    I actually read that and forgot about it… d’oh.

    Then again, why only “some of them”? And I’m sure in the 18 area there was lots of blood, gore and violent on display, which apparently is perfectly acceptable – but god beware there’s womenfolk around.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. KrazyKraut

    @13 wtf is wrong with you?
    So…i never saw a male person on a nudism beach getting a boner. Thats the same example you bring.

    Btw…I am sure you are male..somewhat sure.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. Fin

    @17

    If the women were in the games, I wouldn’t have a problem with it (well I probably would, but that’s another discussion). Having the girls just wandering round (in ridiculous heels) is just pandering to your audience, I’ve no time for it.

    Also, does nobody else think maybe Pat is actually supporting having booth babes and the entire article is satire?

    #19 2 years ago
  20. G1GAHURTZ

    I also agree that the concept within this temerarious article is overflowing with contemptible, specious hypocrisy.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. Stardog

    This is one of the most poorly written articles I’ve ever read. I’m assuming it’s a joke.

    @13 – Agreed.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. absolutezero

    Actual femenists are actually passing comment on women dancing about next to some TVs showing video games.

    Yes thats what holding women back in society.

    Yes.

    Oh hey would you look at that im also a smoker. I guess I might aswell kill myself.

    #22 2 years ago
  23. OrbitMonkey

    Ban this filth!

    http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/08/david-beckham-underwear-pics-the-whole-package/

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Yoshi

    This reason for the decision has as much logic as those retarded Americans complaining about gay marriage.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. xxJPRACERxx

    It’s a fucking show! Damn I miss the 80′s! At least then people were not offended about some stupid shit. Because you don’t like something why should everybody suffer for it? Fucking fair.

    I’ve been to 2 e3 in the 90′s and the booth babes are part of the culture and general ambiance of these shows. I just hate the world we live in. If seeing a girl in a sexy suit hurt you then you have a problem, boy or girl.

    The world is becoming more and more like in Demolition Man. Soon we won’t be able to do anything.

    I’m fucking pissed and sorry about my bad English, not my 1st language.

    edit: I have no problem with “booth boys”(?) if girls gamers want that.
    @13 +1

    #25 2 years ago
  26. absolutezero

    See all those people being negatively affected by the portrayal of women in video games?

    What do you think happens when they play the murder simulators that most of video gaming has become?

    Thats right they go on huge big breasted skimy clothed killing sprees!

    #26 2 years ago
  27. Classique

    This is the kind of writing that blinds pretentious award panels (and commenter #8) into throwing the spoils Mr. Garratt’s way. No thought for the average reader, just a massive cock-splosion involving Patrick telling everyone that he knows a lot of words.

    Why use one word when forty will do. Eh, Pat?

    #27 2 years ago
  28. Christopher Jack

    Two extreme points here, one side seeing it as demeaning to women(or just offensive in general) & the other seeing it as freedom of expression. There comes a point where both sides are right or wrong- QR codes on arses MAY have crossed that line, either way, I don’t really care- of course anything will offend at least some body but how many were there at the Eurogamer expo who were TRULY offended?

    #28 2 years ago
  29. mongbatstar

    @27 Would you prefer finger puppets?

    #29 2 years ago
  30. MadFlavour

    I don’t have a problem with booth babes in and of themselves but it’s lazy marketing like this which leads to the dumbing down and homogenization of the games we play. It plays into all the tired cliched old gamer stereotypes.

    If you wanna use sex to sell something, OK, how’s about being a bit more creative with it though, and adding a bit of variety, taking into account all the people who might want to play your games.

    #30 2 years ago
  31. YoungZer0

    @28: +1

    #31 2 years ago
  32. Detale

    Well done Pat. I think spiflicated may be my new favourite word.

    #32 2 years ago
  33. Classique

    #29 – No, but a good writer knows his audience. And doesn’t need to use on online thesaurus to make himself appear more intelligent.

    #33 2 years ago
  34. Da Man

    I don’t think most readers are able to decipher that article (as shown by many posts).

    #34 2 years ago
  35. YoungZer0

    @33: Not only that, but you also have to consider that most of the users are not native speakers. Why make it more difficult for them?

    #35 2 years ago
  36. G1GAHURTZ

    Sorry Pat, but this article is completely stupid.

    This isn’t about whether or not the women being employed have the right to do the job, but rather that femininity is being reduced to “make us bend over and shoot our asses because you’re a perennially erect, two-footed penis. You have no brain: you will buy this product because we marketed at your biology like an 0898 number in the back of a ‘lads’ mag. Women are asses you want to fuck. You’re a fuck-rod. Now give us some money.” It’s broadside contumeliousness. If women want to work in industries in which they’re distilled to the sum of their sexual parts, that’s entirely up to them; what is being contested here is the right of companies to commit such depredations before mainstream audiences.

    This is one of the most nonsensical things that I’ve ever read. Sorry Pat (again), but you’ve managed to contradict yourself entirely, and show incredibly flawed logic.

    So it’s perfectly ok for women to become porn stars, eh?

    It’s perfectly fine for them to be LITERAL sexual objects that are often copulated with (and ‘on’) by numerous men (at the same time) for the sexual gratification of some frustrated sicko and considered nothing more than a dolled up bucket, is it?

    It’s ok for some porn company to get some prostitute, tart her up a bit, give her a few shots of brandy and a line of coke before fully satisfying themselves with her; slapping, choking, spitting at, and then sitting back as the credit card numbers come rolling in, right?

    That’s perfectly fine if “people want it”?

    Their “femininity” remains intact?

    But if companies try and sell 5% of that scenario to the very same audience who are blended in with a “mainstream audience”, then all of a sudden it’s wrong, and you jump up on your high horse and start rallying the troops a la Henry V, that we’ve got to cleanse humanity from this evil degradation of women?

    How are you blinded from the utter hypocrisy that your own hands are writing??

    You’re saying that a 10.0 earthquake is all hunky dory, but if we feel any slight tremors, it’s the end of the world!

    You say that you’re “against censorship”, but without doubt, like it or not, that’s exactly what you’re promoting here. Censoring the lesser example, while indulging and being satisfied with the greater one.

    Would you tell your daughters that it’s wrong for them to be booth babes, but that being a porn actress is ok?

    Because as booth babes, they’d be targeting the “mainstream”?

    That’s exactly how you’re coming across with this article…

    #36 2 years ago
  37. SplatteredHouse

    Very rarely in that did it descend to gobbledygook, but what did the elevated vocabulary routine actually add to the article, beyond serving to distance the author from the majority of the audience. I’m glad I DIDN’T leave praise for the last block of text, after all, lovingly carved and somewhat compelling though it may have been, if it’s going to encourage this.

    To the viewpoint, I say it’s Eurogamer’s show. You walk through the door, you’re either patron or presenter. Either way, they make the rules. Of course, we CAN go off on some women’s rights storm in a teacup (even as it appears Pat’s more irritated with the general marketing of this medium, and towards its audience, than this particular issue).

    You know the OTHER common impression those outside of the hobby hold of gamers? A segmented closed-group niche. So, why not take the opportunity of an event like this, to basically throw a party? Cut loose, invite local media, present an extroverted impression of gaming culture that’s inclusive, shows the enthusiasm players have for what we enjoy?
    The particular example given sounds extreme, and I don’t think they should have used that approach, but we really don’t want to bury entertainment and fun under a mountain of rules and regulations. It’s just not us (if you ask me.)

    To any point of: is it ok for people to be employed at a public event dressing in a style akin to game characters, or intended to evoke familiarity with that media. Absolutely it is. They’re working, perhaps they’re “professional” cosplayers even, to where this gives them pleasure and they earn a living doing this craft, take great pride, and welcome interest and attention from those in attendance (as does, of course their sponsor, and these benefit gaming’s appearance and recognition in turn)
    To seem to equate this to the equivalent of notes blearily slipped to a table dancer is to greatly exaggerate the negative effect of the presence of these performers.

    #37 2 years ago
  38. OlderGamer

    Good article Pat, expected reactions from expected posters.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. absolutezero

    Cosplayers are banned from PAX aswell for being slutty as fuck.

    And they don’t even get paid. WHAT MESSAGE IS THIS SENDING TO LITTLE GIRLS??!?!?!?

    #39 2 years ago
  40. viralshag

    I remember when I met a friend working as a “booth babe” for the 3DS showing in Brick Lane back in 2011. She’s not a gamer but she likes doing the shows because she meets people and often gets freebies.

    Unsurprisingly, she does a lot more than just gaming events and likes doing it because it’s a fun job, often with friends, and often helps gives them something to put in their portfolio/CV.

    Funny that while you’re supposedly protecting women’s rights, they’re actually stopping some women from doing what they want because, god forbid, they might actually enjoy it.

    But hey, you guys are the ones wearing the outfits and know best, right?

    #40 2 years ago
  41. OrbitMonkey

    @OG, You think so? I thought it was a overly opinionated editorial rant, with Pat telling us off… Again.

    Sex is used to market product! Oh noes the horror!

    Booth babes are not sexist. It would only be sexist if that was all ladies were allowed to do.

    #41 2 years ago
  42. G1GAHURTZ

    OG, you still owe me an apology for accusing me of making claims that I never made in a previous thread about women.

    I still consider you nothing more than a blatant liar until you do.

    I haven’t forgotten.

    #42 2 years ago
  43. OlderGamer

    @Orbit, yes I do think so.

    @G1GA I don’t “owe” you anything, your words speak for themself. I am not going to get into a long and drawn out war of words with you G1GA. You’re head/ideas are about as permiable as a brick wall. For example:

    A quick one at that…

    The porn industry isn’t justification for Both Babes. The game shows have zero control over the porn industry. They can run the game show the way they feel best represents them. You don’t see it that way ofc.

    Besides isn’t a game show ‘possed to be about games?

    That is all you will get out of me on the subject.

    As for Viral, are you familar with Dwarf Tossing? Same examples can be put into place you used for women wanting to work as both babes. The people in both cases agree and sign up to participate. The impact on those people is never the issue. But when a Little Person, not participating, jut doing day to day stuff(say shoping with the wife and kids) has to deal with people wanting to literaly throw him…because they did it in a bar somewhere. Is demening. And potentialy physicly harmful, as many little people have serious medical issues.

    Sometimes issues go beyond what might be right in front of ones face. Sure banning booth babes isn’t going to change the whole world, but it could change one little corner of it.

    But of course, I am just trolling….

    #43 2 years ago
  44. G1GAHURTZ

    No, you owe me an apology, and you remain a liar by refusing to give one.

    You said that I made a claim about women, and it was a blatant lie.

    I challenged you to quote me, and you ran off like a coward. Go and find the article, then quote me if I’m wrong.

    #44 2 years ago
  45. YoungZer0

    @40: That’s what pisses me off about Feminists. They act like women are stupid kids that need to be told what to do and what not to do.

    As if grown-ass women are unable to decide for themselves.

    And if a woman actually enjoys a job – which in the view of a sex-negative feminist might be considered degrading (And really, what isn’t) – she’s confused, a slave of the patriarchy.

    It’s the worst kind of sexism there is.

    #45 2 years ago
  46. OrbitMonkey

    @45, Their are no feminists complaining about this. Only men with ideas of how women need to be represented. Big difference.

    #46 2 years ago
  47. G1GAHURTZ

    “And if a woman actually enjoys a job – which in the view of a sex-negative feminist might be considered degrading (And really, what isn’t) – she’s confused, a slave of the patriarchy.”

    It’s not just a job. Its anything. If an intelligent, free thinking woman wants to do anything at all that a feminist dislikes, then she somehow turns into a brainwashed victim of male dominance, in their minds.

    If anything, it’s some feminists/wannabe male heros/OG who fit the profile of totalitarian bullies.

    #47 2 years ago
  48. OlderGamer

    I edited my first post, by adding to it: reread that. We are done.

    #48 2 years ago
  49. YoungZer0

    @46: Bullshit. I know at least two women from work who share that kind of idea about feminism, and they are far from alone.

    @47: Yes.

    #49 2 years ago
  50. Dragon246

    Representatives present to guide people in a booth, either male or female, fine. But booth babes serve no purpose. I agree with the meaning of the article, but not the wording.
    Heres a better sounding (and more realistic IMHO) opinion via eurogamer-
    “Have you ever seen some gamer dude getting his photo taken with a Booth Babe? Some chunky, pale guy, grinning as he puts an arm around the waist of a beautiful young girl. A moment captured forever, of this guy and this girl. The guy is probably a good guy. A good friend, a kind person. A good son. He’ll be a good dad one day. But in that moment? When that photo is being taken? He’s not posing for a photo beside a person. He’s posing for a photo with a thing he’s seen. A beautiful, unattainable thing. An object.”

    #50 2 years ago
  51. Gadzooks!

    To my mind this is still dictation to the women involved, whether it’s viewed as positive or negative.

    I’m with #40 on this. Perhaps ask the women if they enjoy their job or not before telling them what they can and can’t do?

    #51 2 years ago
  52. G1GAHURTZ

    OG, I take it back. You’re not a liar.

    You’re just stupid.

    Go and learn to read. I’m shocked that you can come in here claiming that you agree with Pat’s article, since, if there’s anyone around here who wouldn’t understand a word of it, it’s you.

    You have difficulty understanding basic points that I make, because you’re just stupid.

    I never said that porn was a justification for anything.

    Fool.

    #52 2 years ago
  53. OrbitMonkey

    @49, I meant in this thread… Not the world in general :-)

    @GIGA, Woah, bro chill. Bygones be bygones & all that eh?

    #53 2 years ago
  54. naffgeek

    I thought it was about companies not being able to use sexist marketing in this way not dictating to women what they should or shouldn’t do to earn money.

    Also I learnt a veritable cornucopia (shit load) of new words from that article and that’s never a bad thing.

    #54 2 years ago
  55. Chockster

    @33 A good writer does know his audience. I quite like the fact Pat knows his well enough to throw this kind of thing at us now and then.

    #55 2 years ago
  56. viralshag

    @50, “He’s not posing for a photo beside a person. He’s posing for a photo with a thing he’s seen. A beautiful, unattainable thing. An object.”

    That’s ridiculous. I’m sorry but that just is. Now we’re dictating what other people think of those women too.

    So a guy wants a photo with a good looking girl, unattainable or not, who cares? It’s not like these girls are being forced to give out kisses and a blowjob for money. They’re job is to promote something and look good doing it. Which often they do.

    That’s it, shut down the porn industry, close the strip clubs, lock up all the strippers… It’s about time these women learn to do something they might not want to do because other women (and men!) are offended by them doing something they might actually want to do.

    That’s freedom folks! The freedom to stop others from doing something because you’re offended by it! Good job, World!

    #56 2 years ago
  57. Digital Bamboo

    Whoa.

    I studied English at the University level for 5 years and came out with a degree and a pretty decent average at the end, & I have never before seen over a dozen of the words contained within this article.

    I’d consider taking it down a few notches, for the sake of clarity.

    #57 2 years ago
  58. G1GAHURTZ

    @OM:

    The guy deserves it. I’m sick of him accusing me of saying things that I never even came close to saying, and then running away when I challenge him to quote me (which he can never do, because I never said the things that he claims).

    I’ve put up with his idiocy for so long, but I’m not pulling any punches anymore.

    #58 2 years ago
  59. AmiralPatate

    It’s funny how it’s not ‘kay to show half-naked women with big boobs, but it’s totally fine to show half-naked men with big muscles.
    Surely men and women aren’t treated very differently in video games. Either everyone is Ken and Barbie or they are your average girl/guy-next-door.

    Moreover, I usually buy stuff based on their qualities and shortcomings rather than on the number of boobs on the cover. Although to be perfectly honest, I have nothing against boobs on covers.

    #59 2 years ago
  60. Deacon

    I struggled with many of those words. Not entirely sure they were all necessary.

    I have no doubt ManuOtaku is working his way through deciphering them all as we speak ;)

    Do we ban revealing/sexily dressed cosplayers to such shows? for the sake of the parents and children? Or is it just that the ‘booth babe’ models are getting paid for it that makes it ‘wrong’?

    #60 2 years ago
  61. stretch215

    @40 +10000000

    #61 2 years ago
  62. Clupula

    As soon as I read the title of the article, I immediately thought, Patrick’s opened up the women’s studies books again.

    #62 2 years ago
  63. Clupula

    @45 – completely agree.

    #63 2 years ago
  64. Dragon246

    @56,
    “That’s it, shut down the porn industry, close the strip clubs, lock up all the strippers… It’s about time these women learn to do something they might not want to do because other women (and men!) are offended by them doing something they might actually want to do.

    That’s freedom folks! The freedom to stop others from doing something because you’re offended by it! Good job, World!”

    Shut them down. Because they dont serve any purpose whatsoever. In my country, it isnt even allowed, and people are fine with it. This is worst example of freedom you can give. You can run naked on streets, gangbang on streets and ejaculate on everyone who says anything to you. Thats freedom too.
    They would better serve society if they do something more productive, like doing a job that requires brains, not boobs.

    #64 2 years ago
  65. Christopher Jack

    @64, Being contempt with something doesn’t mean things couldn’t be better. I don’t hate the house I’m living in but doesn’t mean I wouldn’t love to move out given a better option.

    #65 2 years ago
  66. Clupula

    @64 – What country do you live in? That seems like a very sad place.

    It isn’t Ireland, is it? I only ask because, for years, I’ve tried to find Irish-only porn and couldn’t find any.

    #66 2 years ago
  67. RobsStang

    Good looking models are used to sell everything from tooth paste to cars – I have no problems with “Booth Babes”. I went to E3 in 2011 and they helped bring the show to life.

    I hope the Feminazis don’t get their way again.

    #67 2 years ago
  68. DSB

    This is such a bunch of bleeding heart nonsense.

    I hope these kinds of attitudes never make it to the core of the industry, because if every developer starts buying into the idea that games need to be three, four, or five times more politicially correct and morally sanitized – something that doesn’t apply to any other medium – then games are going to get considerably more boring and toothless than they already are, and gaming will pretty much have forfeited its battle to become relevant.

    A medium that spans the tasteless as well as the high brow is in everybody’s best interest, even the puritans, although they’re not like to realize it.

    #68 2 years ago
  69. Karooo

    @57 Experience > degree

    #69 2 years ago
  70. mistermogul

    I agree with #57…

    Did Patrick swallow a Thesaurus this morning? This article reads like a piss-take…

    This is a gaming blog not a forum for English literature professors!

    #70 2 years ago
  71. Dragon246

    @66,
    Its not Ireland. Its very far and very big (and poor :), even with exceptional growth due to stupid population ) in its comparison.

    #71 2 years ago
  72. AmiralPatate

    @64
    Boobs are morale boosting. A morally boosted employee tends to be more productive. Therefore, boobs are good for productivity.
    Besides, porn generates a shit ton of money. Lots of money means lots of taxes. So yes, porn brings money into the economy.

    #72 2 years ago
  73. OrbitMonkey

    @66, Your welcome.

    http://www.largeporntube.com/search/?q=irish

    #73 2 years ago
  74. YoungZer0

    @71: It’s not india, is it?

    #74 2 years ago
  75. Cobra951

    What’s wrong with women wanting to be sexy? My guess is that they threaten women who aren’t–you know, the kind of women who become either puritans or feminazis.

    OK, OK. I know that ruffled more than a few feathers. I realize how outrageous that statement was. But consider the subject of freedom before you go nodding your head approvingly when liberties are taken away, even the liberty to pose in skimpy outfits for the arousal of male attendees. Who wants that gone, and why? The women who do it? No. The men who watch it? No. It’s a meddling third party, with an agenda about . . . something. Could be anything, but usually it’s either religious or political, and has nothing to do with the actual events. Do we really want to let either of those crowds abridge our freedoms? Political correctness is already totalitarian enough. Let’s not encourage it to get worse.

    #75 2 years ago
  76. Da Man

    #72, opiates are morale boosting. And generate lots of money too. So yes, let’s just implement them into economy circle.

    #76 2 years ago
  77. AmiralPatate

    @76
    Why not. Selling cancer is legal after all.

    #77 2 years ago
  78. viralshag

    @64, That’s amazingly sexist and ignorant in itself…

    “They would better serve society if they do something more productive, like doing a job that requires brains, not boobs.”

    Again, if they’re happy doing those jobs, who are we to tell them it’s wrong? How many people actually do a job that serves society rather than their own or their company’s bank balance?

    #78 2 years ago
  79. Da Man

    Hmm. Well, fair enough, #77.

    #79 2 years ago
  80. DSB

    I think VG247 has a bit of a problem in that it’s clearly pushing this neo-feminist agenda, but then when a woman happens to make a game, while being John Romeros wife, the fact that she’s John Romeros wife somehow ends up capering the headline, and even being listed right next to her qualifications.

    The problem with high horses is that it’s so hard to stay on.

    #80 2 years ago
  81. Talkar

    Let me get this straight. It is okay for women to want to be viewed as sex objects, but it is wrong for us to view those women as sex objects?
    Am i understanding that right?

    #81 2 years ago
  82. Yoshi

    Did I ever tell you I love you Viral :D You’re saying exactly what I want to say without me needing to write it :p

    #82 2 years ago
  83. viralshag

    You’re welcome. ;)

    I’ve actually asked my friend who did the 3DS promo about her thoughts on it. I’m curious to know what she thinks about all this.

    #83 2 years ago
  84. Digital Bamboo

    @69 Encounter the word unirenic much in your experience? Useful one, is that? ;)

    I’d argue that earning a degree is a valuable experience in itself, and one that forces a person to read, write and think about texts that they would never otherwise know about or choose to pursue on their own. I won’t try and make the case that attending University somehow automatically makes a person more well-rounded, (I met more than a couple of morons there just like anywhere else) but there’s no reason to think that real life experience can’t be gained during—or applied to—your studies at University. You get exactly as much out of it as you put into it.

    Anyway, my point was, this article is understandable to almost no one. The author should know his audience, and write accordingly.

    #84 2 years ago
  85. Talkar

    ^Obviously you don’t spend much time here :P

    #85 2 years ago
  86. Dragon246

    @84
    Universities rock. Especially good ones.
    @Viral
    In hindsight, you may be right. I just don’t feel people involved in porn are any better than animals.
    In the case of Booth babes, if they know what they selling, guess I don’t have any problems with them.
    @Young
    :)
    Where are you from?

    #86 2 years ago
  87. Da Man

    Animals? Porn? You never seen any porn then, because animals are better.. Well unless you mean beastiality that is o_O.

    Notwithstanding that people are no better than animals of course.

    #87 2 years ago
  88. laughing-gravy

    Isn’t this taking the PC thing a bit too far?! Honestly you would think they had nothing better to do.

    #88 2 years ago
  89. Dragon246

    @87
    :) Tokyo Jungle is better in that regard.

    #89 2 years ago
  90. NeoSquall

    Is this to make up for that “Psycho written” Borderlands 2 review?

    Anyway, I hoped that this “no boothbabes/sexy boothbabes on the showfloor” bullshit would stay confined to Penny Arcade and its expos, but sadly globalisation proved me wrong.

    What is so wrong in having boothbabes at an expo?
    As people said before me, they’re morale boosters and serve their purpose in marketing games and alluring people to their booths before the others.

    Sure, there’s no need to have them dress with mankinis (unless it’s for a Saints Row game), which we can all agree are vulgar, but we shouldn’t be either such bigots and almost throw a girl out of the show because her cheerleader top is slightly more revealing than the real life one.

    #90 2 years ago
  91. Talkar

    @90
    Because everyone gets offended by everything. If it were up to certain people here we would live in a sterile world where there are no such things as sex, alcohol, music and in general entertainment, because some might find it offensive…

    #91 2 years ago
  92. Ireland Michael

    Came in expecting the obvious culprits to display rampantly sexist behaviour.

    Was not disappointed.

    If you want to look at women treating themselves as objects, go to a porn site. The Internet isn’t lacking in them.

    As for the wordiness of the article, it’s a bit wordier than some, but it’s nowhere near as bad as it could get. lrn2education.

    Although I know Pat already knows that simplicity and approachability is the preferred way of writing something. He usually doesn’t write this “flowery”. Why did you make such an obvious exception for this piece?

    #92 2 years ago
  93. FeaturePreacher

    Anyone know if you can still show titties in the games themselves? God of War Ascention’s sex for orbs scene just screams for a tit free environment, right?

    #93 2 years ago
  94. xxJPRACERxx

    @64 “You can run naked on streets, gangbang on streets and ejaculate on everyone who says anything to you. Thats freedom too.”

    The difference between a porno movie and what you’ve said is choice. You have the choice to watch a porno or not.

    If you don’t want to watch a porno then don’t. But accept that some people do want to watch. That is freedom.

    #94 2 years ago
  95. Dragon246

    @94
    see #86

    #95 2 years ago
  96. GwynbleiddiuM

    I don’t know, I think on this instance I’d like to side with G1GA, and DSB also. In the past I said that how I view this issue, but I think Pat went a little too extreme this time. :P

    If people start taking actions like these, like banning booth babes on a video game expo, or in any sort of fair, you’re taking away the freedom and choice, people are allowed to make their own choices. Choice is a good thing to have even if we tend to make the wrong ones all the time, it is still our choice. We can let people know how we think about matters like this but we can’t force them into thinking like us. To me this is radical way of thinking, much like what is going on in middle-east and Muslim countries.

    #96 2 years ago
  97. YoungZer0

    @86: Germany. Land of the pervs. 8)

    Dunno if you’re aware of it, but India isn’t really known for it’s female rights. Matter of fact, there was recent poll done by the Thomson Reuters Foundation showing the best and worst (G-20) countries for women. India was last on that list. Came even after Saudi Arabia.

    To quote an article from forbes.com:

    What would you say has been one of the most shocking findings of this survey?

    Perhaps the fact that India was ranked worse than Saudi Arabia. Virtually, every aspect of a women’s life in Saudi Arabia is controlled by men. They cannot drive or enter the Olympics. They’re generally forbidden from leaving home, travelling outside the country, working, studying, marrying, filing a court case or seeking medical care without being accompanied by or receiving the written consent of a male guardian. In India, women, to a great extent, have many of these freedoms and some people may be surprised by the fact it polled worse than Saudi Arabia. However, Saudi Arabia’s wealth means schooling and healthcare for women are of a good quality, while practices like infanticide, child marriage, wife-beating and trafficking are commonplace in India and maternal mortality rates are extremely high.”

    #97 2 years ago
  98. LuLshuck

    These are peoples jobs on the line cunt, seriously consider both sides not just one

    #98 2 years ago
  99. absolutezero

    The respectability of video games is on the line here. How can THE MEDIUM MOVE FORWARD if people are still oggling boobs?

    How can gaming compete with the arch nemesis Cinema while still catering to the people that made it popular in the first place?

    Do you want Video Games to continue to be a niche medium like comic books and sci-fi TV shows? Or do you instead desire more jokes on the Big Bang Theory?

    As an industry I say:

    “Down with this sort of thing.”

    “Careful now.”

    #99 2 years ago
  100. Hunam

    So… Women huh? They’re cool and stuff.

    #100 2 years ago
  101. absolutezero

    Says you.

    #101 2 years ago
  102. Telepathic.Geometry

    Personally, I hate it when I’m watching an anime with a friend and – courtesy of the deeply DEEPLY ingrained sexism in Japanese society – an otherwise great manga is marred by fan service. My friend eyeballs me and says, so, it was like that… >.<

    I feel the same way about this whole debate. Setting aside the more serious issues of sexism within the industry for a second, I just wish that I could bring more of my friends and co-workers into the gaming world, or at least admit that I'm a part of it without this adolescent bullshit marring that image…

    Here in Japan, pretty much the entire country has this booth babe problem and it's a damned shame.

    #102 2 years ago
  103. Talkar

    @99
    Some games require babes. Imagine Duke Nukem without babes. It wouldn’t be Duke Nukem anymore if you removed them…

    #103 2 years ago
  104. OlderGamer

    @TG +1

    Alot of folks only see one part of the whole picture. And most of the time the part they think they see is one of censorship. There is more to it then that. I love, and I mean LOVE watching The Walking Dead. But if they went skin, the shows dynamics would have changed to a point where the end product wasn’t what I started watching the thing for in the first place. It would be distracting, and I think a sell out attempt to draw in certian demographics.

    Much the same way I think Booth Babes are used in game shows. Crazy me, but I think, the shows should be focused on the games. And gamers ages range from young to old. To many having scantly clad women pigen holes the show and the industry into a purpetual juvenial state.

    It isn’t an issue of censorship, to me. There all also other shades of grey that make up the entire scene. For example, while it isn’t degrading to the women participating, it is objectifying women as a whole and that is degrading to other women. And considering that the amount of women in gaming is growing rapidly, I think that pov should be considered too.

    Ofc some people will disagree with that, esp people on a dedicated gaming site visited by mostly the very same demographic the use of Booth Babes is aimed at. But this site and others like it don’t represent the greater whole of gamers. Until that is understood, some stupid stuff will continue to hold the medium back.

    #104 2 years ago
  105. Joe_Gamer

    Cheerleaders = OK
    Hooters = OK
    Toddlers in Tiaras = OK(Seriously WTF?)
    Starving half naked models hawking anything and everything = OK
    Gratuitous nudity in every blockbuster movie ever = OK

    Booth Babes = Huge problem?

    I don’t get it.

    #105 2 years ago
  106. Talkar

    I’m not sure if this relates to the topic onhand, but damn there were some damn good cosplayers at eurogamer, not the best, but better than expected! I hope they won’t be banned!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAAnIrvALT8

    #106 2 years ago
  107. Sylrissa

    @106 They have already responded saying that cosplayers and staff in character (they gave the example of Lara croft etc) will not be banned.

    #107 2 years ago
  108. DSB

    It’s just tragically funny.

    Chick in hotpants with lowcut top = BAD

    Chick in hotpants with lowcut top carrying handguns = AWESOME

    Mind crimes. How do they work?

    #108 2 years ago
  109. zinc

    @DSB, The lesson here is that a woman showing off her body for money is demeaning, but flashing the goods for nothing is empowering…

    Probably something to do with bucking perceived gender roles & sexual expressionism that you’d need a degree & a mangina to understand.

    #109 2 years ago
  110. endofive

    This article is seeped in some serious repressed sexuality.

    We got a seriously fucked up society if people think that enjoying the sight of pleasing human form (male or female) is as destructive as the use of a drug which can cause serious health problems (cigarettes).

    Sexuality is just a natural part of being human…Of course it’s going to be used in marketing. Often times the main focus of marketing is making an emotional connection with the consumer, you don’t complain about car companies showing how happy a family can be if they just purchase this certain type of car.

    How about we keep booth babes but they have to wear a scarf that covers everything but their eyes and robes that only show the hands and feet. Then everybody wins @.@

    Or maybe keep booth babes as is, and hire some booth beefcakes. Maybe dress ‘em up as Kratos. Then we can all be equal hur hur hur hur

    #110 2 years ago