Medal of Honor: Warfighter ‘Hunt’ DLC based on hunt for Bin Laden

@HeavyD-Love Here’s to you, Nicola and Bart …

I’ll leave the discussion with this.

“We humans have existed in our present form for about a hundred thousand years. I believe that if during this time the human mind had been primarily controlled by anger and hatred, our overall population would have decreased. But today, despite all our wars, we find that the human population is greater than ever. This clearly indicates to me that love and compassion predominate in the world. And this is why unpleasant events are “news”; compassionate activities are so much a part of daily life that they are taken for granted and , therefore, largely ignored.”
– His Holiness the Dalai Lama

Enjoy the discussion.

@50

Oh, we’ll that’s okay then.

People forge passports, their still forced on you.

We now have retina scans and nude scanners in airports. What makes you think RFID won’t become mandatory at some stage?

Police have been held to account for keeping innocent peoples DNA, but of course, it’s all for the greater good.

Keep deluding yourself PB

@52

Not one of his best…

I’m not keen on the Snowy mountain maps at all… Outdoors maps always lack character for me. I need buildings, alleyways, rooftops etc.

Though the tunnel sections might be interesting.

@51….awesome

@53

I don’t care about the nude scanners I feel sorry for the person who has to look at those screens for 8 hours a day.

Retina scans? Where is that being forced on anyone?

“What makes you think RFID won’t become mandatory at some stage?”

Even if there are we have a long way to go to accept them since its quite easy to remove them or break them. All you have to do is take them to a charge like a tazer to fry them.

“Police have been held to account for keeping innocent peoples DNA, but of course, it’s all for the greater good.”

So? When you are born they take your blood and they keep it so hows that any different? Tell you what when the modern gestapo comes to my door and throw me or anyone into prison or detention camp because of frivolous reasons I will worry then.

@44
I don’t care who armed them, which was of course wrong. So should they just leave their mistakes ?
Also us armed hussain? News to me. Amazing ignorance at display here. You really should be put in a museum to showcase “the ignorant human/ homo ignoramus” species .

@55

I fear for this map.

The amount of time I heard phrases like rag head or sand n***er when playing team death match on MW2 was unreal…

This map is surely going o bring out the worst in the online ‘community’…

Wow!

I wonder if you’ll be able to rape Afghani women infront of their kids and then kill the whole family once you’ve finished your business, in this game!

You know…

Keeping’ it real authentic and that!

OOH RAH!!

@58

Armed and supported Iraq in the Iran / Iraq war! Nice piccy for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cardoen_Saddam.jpg

Honourary citizen of Detriot… lol

This is fun too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqBOMBSDQsI

@60 And afterwards, their corpses are going to get sentenced to 200 lashes for getting raped and thrown in jail for six months.

Allahu akbar!

@59, A valid concern The topicality of the combat zone and the fact the “bad guys” are not panto-russian terrorists, aliens or space. Nazi fetishists, but actually militia, involved in fighting and killing western troops right now, leaves a bad taste in the mouth for some.

@GIGA & DSB, Please gentlemen, this thread has been derailed quite enough. Nothing will be gained by you two clashing your ego’s once more..

@62:

No, their corpses were already burned by the amazingly brave US soldiers…

They needed the freedom whether they liked it or not!!

@64 Fair enough.

@60

That’s DLC, but you get it on the disc if you pre order

@63

It was terrible in MW2, amount of ignorant racism…

This is bound bring out the idiots…

@67:

DSB’s probably already trying to preorder it.

@67, That was a bit tasteless mate :-/

Though with EA’s need to promote the authenticity of this particular FPS, I can quite believe they would consider throwing in some harrowing events based on ‘real-life’ events.

@70

It’s tasteless adding this mode IMO, although sorry if that offended you!

@71, No offence, just observation… Though I will cherish your apology, they are rare on the internet

@72

This is true!

@Mr.Ignoramus
Has the museum contacted you yet? If you like wikipedia that much, look for iran contra affair.
So much for us support to Iraq.
You should just stick to defending ninty as you are no good on other topics. Wikipedia can only help so much.
Want the humble pie?

@74

Yes, they didn’t support them atall. In fact the US hasnt got a history of arming militia groups then attacking them when they have become no use to them on the political stage.

Before the gulf war, there were many reports of uk / us companies selling Iraq chemicals which were later turned into chemical weapons.

@75
US has probably the worst record in arming various militias. I never contested that. Unfortunately that doesn’t help your argument that they fought all wars without reason. Afghanistan was definitely necessary. Iraq, not so much. But they are right in saying that world would become a better place if iran and north korea govs straightened up. Nukes only look good on bigger (and responsible ) countries. Both iran and north korea don’t fit the bill.

@76

Which wars would you term valid out of interest?

The last few for the US have been shocking displays of misinformation, controversy and poor closure…

Nam, gulf war, Afganistan etc…

All have had dubious motives and all have had less than stellar outcomes…

I like the fact you talk about human rights atrocities, conveniently side stepping things like, agent orange, napalm, nuclear weapons, unlawful detention, torture camps, sonic weapons, unmanned drones etc…

The US do like to play the role of world sheriff though, unfortunatly with the UK as the deputy dog.

When the US truly stands up against real tyranny and human rights issues without financial gains, then some of my faith in the country will be restored.

Fear is the smell when ignorance takes a shit.

- His Holiness Dad, from Shit My Dad Says.

@78 …

@77
Looks like you have a fundamental problem in understanding war. Unfortunately NO ONE follows UN treaties in war. Use of chemical warfare is regrettable. US definitely wants to act like global watchdog with UK as the deputy, but they understand all too well that they can’t afford that, and neither are they capable of doing that. Afghanistan war was and is right. Although it would never have solved the problem.
Everything is not black and white as described by you. Recent NATO efforts in libya were commendable.
In an ideal world, UN would be all powerful body with no security council and general council would have all the powers.

“The bearing of arms is the essential medium through which the individual asserts both his social power and his participation in politics as a responsible moral being…”

(Historian) J.G.A. Pocock,

@80

Of Course it’s not black and white. Not for one second have I ever assumed that…

So many big players have different motives fo wanting war. It’s never as simple as it would initially seem.

No one follows UN treaties?!

US invented the bullshit ‘unlawful’ combatant technicality when they wanted to torture people without having to answer to the Genova convention…

That is one of the sickest ‘bending’ of the rules of warfare in recent time.

The fact the US operates on a holier than though approach while doing things like this is disgusting.

I’m sure the ‘liberation’ of Afganistan will continue to be a success story and will go down In history as such. Of course their weren’t any other financial gains the US have and will continue to have from invading Afganistan…

I really don’t want any more UN or EU.

Big, bloated, expensive political entities with no real political influence, who can’t pass a single piece of legislation deciding on whether to shit or get off the pot.

I think a governing body should be recognized for it’s ability to turn words into action. The UN and the EU are examples of the opposite. They hesitate, and in politics that’s one of the most dangerous things you can do.

Every time the EU holds one of their pointless meetings, proving their incredible ability to agree and decide on pretty much nothing at all, you’re getting billed for it. That’s billions being spent on absolutely nothing, except politicians listening to the sound of their own voices.

You can say what you want about the US, but at least they do more than talk a good game. The EU never makes a mistake, because the EU never actually does anything.

@83
Your arguments are certainly true. But there will always to be a trade-off. Is faster process is better which is prone to make blunders with high losses or a slower system with better quality of decision making. Its open for debate.
@82
Generally , no soldiers are holier than thou. They both want to kill opposition and survive. US soldiers are of same breed.

Good call #12…….do I hear 100…

@84

There’s a huge difference being the invading force though. US has never been invaded in the same way as its treatment of other countries.

Being the invading force you are open to be asked serious questions:

What is the operation goal?
How are your soldiers briefed on other countries customs?
What are your plans for stabilising the infrastructure after the goal is complete?
How do you handle your troops mental health issues on return?
What weapons or tactics are ‘fair’ to use in a civilian environment?
Are you prepared for guerrilla warfare?

Etc…

Now, it doesn’t take a military strategist to figure out that they completly ballsed up this war. UK troops were severely under prepared for the length of fighting.

US and UK forces just got bogged down in messy IED guerilla street fights, who didn’t see that happening? Guess we learnt a lot from nam.

The rebuild looks like its going great!

@27: Sadly you’re right, the problem is that they will be getting away with it every single time. I bet the occupy movement is going to do something against that.

lol.

Honestly though, i don’t really understand why the streets aren’t full of dead bankers by now.

@33: Nah, i’d usually consider myself pretty naive when it comes to faith in humanity, but i don’t think this will change any time soon. Today most people seem to think that greed is something natural and since there is no law against fucking the little man, it is not a crime. So it’s all good.

I hate to bring up the united states of america again, but they seem to have truely mastered greed. You have corrupt judges getting payed by private prisons, so they convict more and more people for minor drug related crimes. Those prisons force labor so they can profit from that too. It’s an endless cycle, which could be stopped by legalizing marijuana (I don’t smoke weed, btw. i just don’t see how that’s more dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes).

But that’s never going to happen, because the war on drugs is so successful.

You have students, who, in order to go to a university have to take insane loans from banks, which they can only pay by working for the banks after they are done. Those students are then working for the banks do develop more schemes that will rob the little man. Again, endless cycle.

No mainstream media is reporting about corruption, because they’ve been bought. Instead they are feeding you with unimportant bullshit, like abortion, which shouldn’t be a topic, because fuck you, it’s not the governments business.

@58: Wow, you don’t even know that the US armed Hussein and dare to call him ignorant? Ever head of the Iran-Iraq War? I guess not! Come on, answer fast, who trained Al Quaida and for what purpose?!

@76: “Nukes only look good on bigger (and responsible ) countries. Both iran and north korea don’t fit the bill.”

Good thing that Iran doesn’t has any nukes then. But i agree, nukes definitely look better on countries that would use white phosphorus and nukes on civilians.

@80: “US definitely wants to act like global watchdog with UK as the deputy, but they understand all too well that they can’t afford that, and neither are they capable of doing that.”

Then they shouldn’t do it!

They want a clean war, with little to no casualties on their site. That’s the american definition of a clean war. Nobody cares if those dronestrikes kill innocent children, as long as they are not american, they are fair game. Oh wait, last two targets on the Obamas kill list were american and one of them was a teenager.

… Oh wait, they were brown, so it’s good again. Puh, dodged that one.

But as monkeygourmet said, no way is the USA ever going to understand the horrors of war. They never had it on their soil.

@87
“no way is the USA ever going to understand the horrors of war. They never had it on their soil.”

Huh ever heard of the revolutionary war? (which is bs, shame the king wasn’t bothered, we could of won).

civil war too, which has created the America you know of today.

@88: I meant by a foreign force. Sorry, thought that was obvious.

I think it’s pretty obvious from all these comments that few Europeans make any kind of effort to understand it themselves.

The US was invaded during WW2 as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign

My experience is that Americans understand war a lot better than anyone around here. They have one of the biggest and most active militaries in the world.

They grow up around memorials, national holidays devoted to soldiers, Veterans Day and Memorial Day, their grandfathers are veterans of WW2, Korea and Vietnam, their fathers or brothers may have been to Afghanistan or Iraq. And some have lost people.

It’s a highly militarized society.

They choose not to care, which is the same thing our politicians do on our behalf. A country minds it’s own business. If you don’t want bombs dropped on you, then it’s a good idea not to have guys like Al Qaeda living in your backyard, making your country into a problem for theirs.

I think Europeans have their own brand of ignorance. They haven’t been to America, but somehow they have it all figured out based on what they see on TV. Warfare is treated in largely the same way. Europe likes to talk, not act, so once a war actually does roll around, the militaries are ill equipped to handle them, and the public aren’t supporting their soldiers.

How’s that for apathetic and lazy?

@87
Have you seen war and terror attacks or even visited the countries which are suffering way more due to terrorism? Every soldier knows war. It doesn’t matter if they are from us or otherwise.
Also before trying to become blabbermouth #2, why don’t you check the details of iran-iraq war? Us effectively wanted a stalement and it happened. It supported both sides.
About nukes, ever heard of MAD ? One of its biggest components is the huge collateral damage which every one will try to prevent. Govs of bigger countries are more responsible to their people , smaller countries many of whom are ruled by dectators don’t care about collateral damage.
If you still don’t understand it, you should just stop talking about things way bigger than what you can possess with your brain.

@90: Alaska, man. Probably the hardest month they had.

“They have one of the biggest and most active militaries in the world.”

You make it sound like that’s something positive.

What exactly do you mean when you say, ‘they understand war’?

If you mean they understand how to kill people, then yes, i’d agree. Do they understand that every war has an aftermath? That their actions have actual consequences? I doubt it. They are basically doing the same thing over and over again.

They want their foot in everybody’s business, no matter the cost.

You think it matters if they kill one leader of al Qaeda, when their last drone strikes results in the forming of a new terror cell? Those people don’t believe in what their leader says, they don’t share his idiolgy, they just want to see the people who killed their family bleed.

America calls them terrorist if it doesn’t suit their need. The call them freedom fighters if they buy their weapons or help them set foot in their country. You really think americas involvement in Syria and Libya isn’t going to bite them in the ass at one point in history?

It will, it happened before.

Every war is different, every country is different and its history is different, when you invade, you NEED to look that up.

But they don’t do that and the aftermath is a disaster.

America invades iraq, is completely confused by the infrastructure. They completely destabilize the country, get rid of the cops, the military, the government. Thousands of people lose their job, with no future in sight.

Hoo-Fucking-Ray.

So what’s the situation now in Iraq? Civil War with a hotbed of terrorism. Outstanding job america, you really understand war. Al Qaeda never had any power in Iraq, but you sure fixed that.

And of course the americans are better equipped. War is their business. And business has to flow. Why would europeans invest in something they don’t have? Don’t you understand the problem?! As long as america invest in weapons and equipment, THEY have to justify the COST. That means THEY NEED to have WAR.

The biggest problem is that american generals make sure to prolong the war, because when they are done with their job, they are going to be recruited by private military companies, who need war in order to survive.

“They haven’t been to America”

Most of us don’t need to. If we want to see americans, all we need to do is visit one of their military bases in our country.

After all, we’re allies.

We’re talking about americas foreign policy here. We don’t need to visit the USA to understand more about that.

“If you don’t want bombs dropped on you, then it’s a good idea not to have guys like Al Qaeda living in your backyard”

Wow, i can’t believe you wrote that. Just … wow.

@91: No, I’ve never been to Afghanistan and Iraq? Have you?

And don’t get smart on me, you little fart.

You’re the guy who didn’t even knew that Iraq got their weapons from the US. I bet you don’t even know about the 1953 Coup d’état in Iran. You probably think that most of the middle east dislikes the USA out of boredom.

@92 Politics is the art of the possible. You rarely get to do what you like to do, so instead you do what you can do, and you do what you have to do.

You think Pakistanis love America? They hate their fucking guts, and they’ve been producing terror groups for a while now. A drone strike doesn’t make a difference. They’re bombing people who already hate them. Not bombing them wouldn’t suddenly make them love the US, but those Al Qaeda guys would still be there enjoying the sunshine if they didn’t.

Drones aren’t being used in India, they aren’t being used in Bangladesh, they aren’t being used in Turkey. And that’s because none of those countries ever gave us anything to shoot them at.

We’ll worry about the future when it gets here. We can always bomb ‘em again.

Actually doing something, is dirty work. It carries risk, it carries consequences. That’s why the EU sticks to writing angry letters to dictators. Zero commitment, zero action, zero results, zero consequences. They might as well be sending them muffin baskets.

It’s very easy to sit in a European country that spends less than 2% on its military budget, and barely has a working military, without realizing the fact that America is what makes that possible.

Europe never really has to lift a finger, because America is doing their dirty work. The thing that enables us to cut back on our militaries to the point of not just making us irrelevant to the rest of the world, but also leaving our countries undefended, is the United States military.

This is how international politics fit together.

Nobody’s argueing that the US or their military don’t make stupid mistakes, but that’s just another reason why you don’t want to piss them off. Germany learned that lesson, why not Iraq? Why not Afghanistan?

Afghanistan should never have turned into an occupation, and Iraq neither. At the end of the day, I still feel safer being allied to people who risk their necks to throw bombs at dictators, than people who hide at home, throwing angry letters at them.

Yeah, real brave sitting 3000 miles away on a battleship and pressing the “shock and awe” button.

Real brave…

Still, I suppose using nuclear weapons, cluster bombs and depleted uranium on countless innocent people people who hate freedom is worth just to make the world a much safer place for Americans everyone, right?

The world shall be free!

Even if everyone else has to die in the process…

I’m sure they have a jumbotron counting the civilian casualties. Because that’s what everybody goes to war for. Killing women and children.

Last time I checked, Americans weren’t the ones strapping bombs to mentally handicapped children and sending them into checkpoints, so they can videotape them when they blow up.

That’s obviously the pinnacle of bravery. Do those retards get 72 virgins too?

“Last time I checked, Americans weren’t the ones strapping bombs to blah, blah, blah, gibberish, blah, blah, blah…”

No, they just use nukes, napalm, cluster bombs and depleted uranium from afar, because they’re oh so very brave and civilised.

I mean, surely flying nuclear bombs to the other side of the world to kill countless innocent men, women and children protect the civilised world from communism is much more noble and galant than any other type of mass murder freedom fighting…

They probably deserved it anyway, right?

Really fighting over whose tactics are braver? Grow the hell up.

It’s not about the bravery of tactics.

It’s about one low life scum’s pig headed ignorance when it comes to praising and defending the most bloody handed oppressors in modern history.

Lulz.

Ding 100!