Wii U to release on December 7 for €349, according to French retailer

Also, how do you think Gaikai will factor in to your beloved PSN?

More payments I’m sure…

@100

Yes, but you clearly have no understanding of the final Nintendo network solution or how they will implement it in games…

I’m sure they’ve put a lot of money in considering its their weakest area

My “Beloved PSN?” “Final (Nintendo network) solution?” Who are you, Ming the Merciless? Talk like a fucking human being.

TEA = monkeygourmet but for Nintendo

@99

I think I’ll enjoy playing it with my friends, I’ll also enjoy playing the 720 and PS4 too.

One thing I haven’t got is a weird PS3 boner.

Don’t worry, it’s not your company to defend…

SDF out in force again

You are so good at throwing out slogans and catchphrases while dodging anything anyone actually says. Have you ever considered a future in American politics?

“One thing I haven’t got is a weird PS3 boner.”

Says the one that has one for Nintendo. Every comment that has criticized Nintendo you have defended against.

Go look in the mirror dude.

@106

I’ve made all my points, answered anything ive thought was relevant.

Only time will see who’s been talking rubbish.

I don’t mind admitting if I’ve been wrong, but nothing I’ve said has been revolutionary.

It’s just a culmination of watching the 3 companies fight for a foothold in different ways in a shifting environment. I’ve read a lot, played a lot and have based my theories on videogames on these experiences.

If you can’t handle anyone giving you some home truths about a console you own and the direction future revisions are potentially heading, you need to stop stressing out so much.

I have a PS3, it’s okay, but I don’t feel the need to defend it.

Man, get a grip!

@107

Most play time this gen has been 360, PS3 then Wii. Check gamerscore.

Insert credit, try again…

“If you can’t handle anyone giving you some home truths about a console you own and the direction future revisions are potentially heading, you need to stop stressing out so much.”

Hello, Mr. Kettle, this is Mr. Pot. Oh, he’s what, you say?

@109

Look at the thread 70% of them are your comments defending Nintendo.

Could careless about your gamerscore. I call it like I see it.

@111

I started this thread explaining why I thought this price was about par for the course of a new console release. (go and check)

I don’t defend, I just make people realise they are living in ‘glass’ houses.

Especially crazy SDF bots

@112

As I am sure every fan boy says to other people. “They are only teaching them they are wrong.” amirite?

You aren’t teaching anyone anything especially since most of your comments have been opinions and conjecture with no evidence other than because “It’s just a culmination of watching the 3 companies fight for a foothold in different ways in a shifting environment. I’ve read a lot, played a lot and have based my theories on videogames on these experiences.”
You are no more right than the people criticizing Nintendo or any other company. If you want to continue to beat off your ego to explain why you’re right go ahead but no one is listening. I find it quite funny to read though.

@113

What are your predictions surrounding next gen?

It’s a gaming forum, all we do is make predictions and discuss.

I’ll maybe write a piece for the forum, you can have a read then if you want.

Just like what Iwata said on January, 2012. The console will be out “before christmas”. http://pinoytutorial.com/techtorial/nintendo-wii-u-sales-release-date-before-christmas-2012/

sales will tell. haters will hate.

@monkey: you made your points very clear. they just ignore most of it and take only what they want to hear, then twist and turn it so it fits their opinion. arguments do not count. nintendo just sucks for them (they think). they don´t give it a chance/they will maybe regret that one day. any serious gamer cannot miss out on many of the nintendo games imho. those guys call themselves the hardcore crowd…lol…i – like you- have all the current gen systems, i doubt they do. it´s always the same. as soon as these guys feel like losing the grip they start the nitpicking…they mostly lose the grip fast…soooooooo….

@16

Yes we aren’t serious gamers because we don’t see a value in paying 350$ for hardware that is dated and offers nothing more than Nintendo IPs.

The only games of Nintendo I have enjoyed is Zelda,Smash Bro,Metroid,Mario Kart and Rare’s games back in the N64 days. 350$ is not a value for those 4 games and Nintendo Land doesn’t do it for me. Thankfully I have friends that got the Wii and plan on Wii U that allow me to borrow their system in order to play their games. Thats how I played Skyward sword without dropping a dime. My friends Wii was collecting dust so he was willing to let me borrow it in exchange for me letting him borrow my Infamous 2.

A monkey is a monkey. What he didn’t respond to are follows-
1. How are 3rd party games better on wiiu when other version have exclusive games.
2.How the hell does he know that psn isn’t going to be free next-gen.
3.What is the slate of exclusives on wiiu after launch window.
And many others.
Ps Plus is the most value for money you get for any subscription in the entire games industry. Tell me any other service which provides MORE THAN 45 GAMES free , and 1000$ of discounts, not to mention early access to betas and demos. None are there.
But of course you don’t know as you lost yourself in ninty land.
@OG and Manu
That’s precisely what I said. If you have no interest in 1st party ninty games, then owning a ninty console is useless. Whereas ps and xbox provide awesome 3rd party games along with 1st party offerings and hence have larger diversity in their catalogue.
Mario can only sell 30-50m units, (see sales of previous ninty consoles)rest of the wii sales came from motion games. I doubt wiiu has something as revolutionary as wiis motion gaming. Not to mention the fact that wii launched at 250$. But this time they launching it at 100$ higher when they could have made a profit at 250$ as current gen consoles do.

@118

I will be buying the Wii U mainly for exclusives. But it’ll be also nice to pick up sone 3rd party offerings too if the Wii U version is better.

Assassins Creed offering more content on PS3 doesn’t really make it the ‘better’ game, we don’t even know the extent ofthe content yet. Just sayin’.

I use the PS3 just for exclusives. Most 3rd party ports in the first 3/4 of it’s life were god awful. The 360 was killing it everytime.

It’s got slightly better, but still in a lousy state, how you enjoying Skyrim by the way?

So to make the argument Wii U is only good for exclusives is a bit short sighted seeing i mainly know people who have bought the PS3 for the exact same reasons. It’s just the Wii, Wii U aren’t going to cost £500 plus on launch like the PS3 did…

You could say Sony packed features in, i wouldn’t.

A lowspeed Bluray drive that has pretty much hindered games for the first part of it’s life.

The Cell proccessor, again Sony wanting to go the wacky route even if it comprimises it’s own game development.

Low memory allocation (even at the time).

etc… etc…

All you were paying for on launch was a fucking Bluray player. But, hey, yeah i guess it’s great having to put up with alwful ports, long loading times, an old fashioned pad and constant updates for the first 3 years of a consoles life…

I can’t wait for Sony to get the old 4K Blurray wagon rolling with PS4, Yay!!! I would love to update all my media again, thank you Sony!

And im sure games will be better too on a 4K Disk!!! (Yay, 6 hour long cutscenes)

Answering your questions:

1. Don’t know what you mean?

2. Because we will all be paying subscriptions in some way or another to make up for the fact these next gen consoles are going to have to last another 10 years in one way or another.

Sony can’t price the PS4 like the 3 and MS can’t afford that either.

So, in some way, your going to be paying extra. Wether you wan’t to justify that by saying onlines still “free” or whatever, well thats up to you!

Just because something is better value, doesn’t mean it’s free. I don’t think Sony will out and out say, “Now your paying for online gaming”, but i don’t think you’ll have an option to not pay a subsricption cost before you can access there online features.

So, it’s going to be corperate spin is what im saying, same as MS and Gold.

Nintendo ‘have’ to offer online free with the Wii U in the same way Sony did with PS3.

also,

people saying it’s over priced…

Again thats what PC games say about the PS3 and 360… You can get a graphics card thats twice as powerful for £30 quid.

This way of thinking doesn’t really work.

@119
I only bought ps3 after slim was released and it had a decent library. Bought xbox360 6 months earlier than that. Not spending 350 for a exclusive only console that I have very little interest in.
Also refrain from saying anything if you don’t know shit about it. Check how much is 2x speed for blu ray.
Also tell me where I can buy a 30$ rig for playing games. Rigs and consoles play games, graphics card alone don’t.
Still not telling the numbers eh?

@119
“people saying it’s over priced…”

PC Gamers, PS3 and 360 doesn’t matter one bit in the argument. It’s about what is a good price to sell a home console. Ignore features, specs, manufacturer, even games. The price needs to be acceptable for what people think you should pay for this type of product. Nintendo have traditionally been very good at setting their launch prices, not necessarily in terms of value, not in terms of specs but in terms of “This is what people expect to pay for this type of product”. They have consciously been very good at thinking, this is the price we want to hit and this is how we do that with the features we want to include. This price isn’t good, it’s that simple.

@121

We don’t have a 100% agreement on the price yet.

And, as much as you say otherwise, most of the negativity here is based on low tech / price ratio.

Let’s say the console is a bit more powerful than 360.

It has free online (from what we’ve heard)

Full Wii backwards compatibility

Smallish hard drive / solid state

Potential pack in of Nintendo land

A tablet controller that obvs has an extra screen, beaming tech, motion sensors, rumble, NFC reader, camera and mic.

And it’s a new launch. £299 for the base unit seems about right to me.

If it was £199.99, where do they go once 720 etc… Is announced?

@122
True, but it’s more in reaction to the news article than confirmed prices. US prices were rumoured to be $250/$300/$350 the other day too. Maybe this one is the top end.

Again though, stop listing features as justification for the price. Whether this is a good price or not is based purely on what people will pay for a new console. Hitting $250 and less than £250 is very important.

@123, “stop listing features as justification for price”?

That makes no sense. Here’s a box, I will not tell you what’s in it. It costs £300. Good price?

@124
The point is that for sales purposes people will already have a figure in their head as to what they will be willing to pay for a new console. Nintendo does very well in hitting those figures (bar the initial hiccup with 3DS) – Sony not so much. It will play some fun games, that’s the bottom line. How much am I willing to pay for something which plays some fun games? Ultimately funky features matter not one jot *if* the price isn’t right.

250 to 350 Euro is perfectly priced…i really cannot see why people are complaining about it. the 3ds xl is 199 and it sells pretty damn well. wiiu is a home console with a tablet controller and probably a game packed in. IT MUST be at least 250 euro. anything else would make no sense. it´s not always the best strategy to go for the cheapest possible price. it must be reasonably priced. like dr said, people must feel like what they pay for is worth the value they will get for that price. 250 to 350 is not too much for a brandnew home console, but it´s not too cheap either. people will see the value in it. if this price is true i think they totally nailed the pricing…

#126 Agree polly and basecally because we dont know with certainty two aspects, the final tech under the hood, and more importantly, what is bundle with the console, games, controllers, size of the memory, etc, therefore at this point is pure speculation.

I believe that nintendo should and needs to bundle nintendoland with every unit sold since launch, if they dont do that, they will be making a big mistake, i hope they did learned from the wii and 3ds releases.

p.s Also dont want to sound like a broken record, but gamers that dont see with good light nintendo games, for whatever reason, valid or not, that can bebated, should think in their kids and/or future kids, i mean the upcoming generation of gamers, and for that stop wanting nintendo failure or that the leave this industry for good, because when you have kids, and if you want them to play games, chances are that a nintendo console will be involve in his playing time, and therefore when he will become a more avid while he grows, he can then go with the other videogames companies and/ or can keep playing nintendo games, therefore i think is good we have nintendo in this industry, just to keep the healthy growth of this hoobie, and maybe while you play with your kids you will end up enjoying nintendo games too, i know iam, therefore i dont think is that wild idea to have your prefered console alongside with a nintendo console, or at least dont think only in your likes or dislikes, think in the big picture with empathy, i mean in the future gamers, that can be your kids too.

@126
Well priced for you but not for people with little interest in ninty 1st party games (millions of wii owners just bought it for motion control not for mario).
‘It MUST be priced 250 euros’
Why? Isn’t cheaper better?
In the end we are all hypothesizing. Its fate will be decided by customers who are much more varied than people commenting here.

people will buy it a gain because of the tablet…and mario is a system seller even to non gamers. everyone knows mario.

cheaper isn´t always better. nope. things need a value by it´s pricing too. call it perverted but it is the law of the market. for nitntendo and the wiiu everything under 250 euro would be bad pricing. guys like you would be the first to rape it with cheap shovelware arguments: “look at the price of that thing. it´s a cheap toy, nintendo know it´s not worth shit so they sell it that cheap, it´s not even a REAL console with that price, just a toy, if it would cost more noone would buy it”….stuff like that.

@129

Pretty much this. If it had been too cheap, people would have still found something to whine about.

@128

Of course cheaper is nicer on the pocket, but Nintendo will almost certainly have to lower the price when next gen launches.

My prediction is they’ll start to announce Zelda, Mario, 2 dual touch pad games and maybe a small price cut to interrupt Sony and MS.

£299.99 I think is fine for this console. Didn’t the PS1 and Saturn launch for £349 and £399?! Even SF2 on the Snes was £64.99! Just for one game!!!

I think £299 would present good value, but again we don’t have long to wait!

@ 129
Just like ‘non-gamers’ bought n64 and gamecube because everyone knows mario.
And tablet, really ? The only resistive tablets available in the market now are cheap chinese ones, and they will be joined by wiiu.
Also like I said earlier 250 is good, 350 isnt . I am waiting to see the difference in versions.
And poly, can you tell me how to rape a console? Is it legal?

Amazing, we have a Nintendo positive thread/article

http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/07/rayman-creator-wii-u-is-a-surprising-machine-lots-of-memory/

And another rock throwing at Nintendo thread goes over 125posts.

The positive thread has around 14posts as of writting this.

This what the NDF(lol, I like that term), means when we talk about haters just want to hate(on Nintendo).

OG we should make T-Shirst with the NDF logo on the front and our avatars on it, on the back, it will rock
p.s including polly and monkeygourmet of course

lol, love it

“sales will tell.”

Exactly. Because for the last couple of generations, it was the console that sold the most that was the worst: PSX, PS2, Wii

(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles )

^Oh man i miss SEGA consoles too, i wish they one day decide to make a comeback and join the fray, although maybe is an almost impossible scenario.
p.s and yes i agree dreamcast and gamecube were great consoles, with great control pads, an fun games.

I heard Sega is planning something big for near future a month ago. Just don’t know what they are planning.

#137 Dragon if thats the case i will keep my fingers crossed the whole month
p.s with skies of arcadia 2, shenmue 3 as a launch tittles

@dragon. raping a console is legal but it never makes sense.
wii opened the door for many many new gamers…mario as a franchise today is indeed a much bigger system seller than it was in the n64 or gamecube aera…but all of this is pure speculation. we can have this discussion a year after wiiu´s launch. i really cannot see it fail (if priced right: 250 to 350 euro), we´ll see…

NDF SHIRTS: COUNT ME IN! all our miis in smash bros brawl style on the front!

I admit I love these Epic Nintendo Wiiu threads, always entertaining

My personal wish is that the Wiiu sells like hotcakes as competition is a good thing, keeps the other console makers working hard. Its a great thing for consumers.

I wanted to desire a Wiiu at launch but nothing I have seen really makes me have to have one, so Im going to wait and see. I’ll probably be better off doing that as I’ll get some new color or package deal that way eventually. If it’s true that there isn’t a scaler that scales it up to 1080, then i may not buy one. I guess I’ll wait and see how the games turn out. If there is a super mario 64 type of game, i’ll be much more tempted.

I have said this before but all my hardcore gamer friends that currently own a Wii aren’t planning on getting a Wiiu, and they seem unexcited about it. My Wii owning friends that only own a Wiiu either didn’t know about the Wiiu, thought the controller was an upgrade for their current Wii, or just don’t seem to care really. I realize that the hardcore Nintendo fans will get one so initial sales will be great, but I wonder how many of those casual gamers that bought a Wii will get one. The wii sold like crazy because it was cheap, something very new with its motion gaming, and was very casual and approachable for non-gamers. The Wii was an “It” item.

A more costly system with a tablet, cool as it may be, may not bring the fired up frenzy that the Wii enjoyed as it was the right product at the right time. The Wiiu isn’t guaranteed to have that same acceptance.

I want it to succeed, I’m no fanboy, but the Wiiu story will be interesting to watch it unfold.

i am definiteley someoene you´d call a hc gamer, owning all consoles and playing games for over 25 years…and i want a wiiu much more than i want a ps4 or nextbox. yea, that´s maybe because i love nintendo games but i know other gamers, aged 30+ that are “hardcore” but interested in a nintnedo consoles too. one of my friends is also definiteley a “hardcore” gamer. he plays mainly on pc (his ps3 is collecting dust by the way, he just told me recently, he only plays fight night on it from time to time. he said: everytime i turn that thing on i need to make a freaking update for an hour, i hate that thing, stupid consoles…lol), he wants a wiiu badly,literally cannot wait. also excited about the tablet and what nintendo will do with it to implement it into the games. he can also see his kid enjoy playing on the tablet too a lot. like drawing stuff and so on. he likes nintendo games because he feels they are the only games he can play with his girlfriend and their kiddo together. he also said that he doesn´t need consoles really because the experiences there are so similar to what he can get on the pc. the nintendo games are different though, he craves different gaming experiences and this is where nintendo delivers, that´s why he has a 3ds where he enjoys super mario 3d land (wont buy resident evil, too much pc/ console game), mario kart and so on, while his non gaming gf loves to play layton and nintendogs alone or with their kid or alltogehter…many of my non gamer friends bought a wii because they were excited about the motion control thing. they all have jobs and i am pretty sure they would have bought the wii for 400 euros too. i a agree that pricing is important, but again 250 to 350 seems really good to me.
i recently talked to a close friend of mine who very rareley plays games, the typical casual guy, he has a wii and an ipad, rareley using both for games and he said that he is excited about the wiiu because it has a tablet controller. that´s a big mainstream thing right now, tablets going mainstream is still prety fresh but at the same time not too new anymore. everybody knows what it is and almost everybody slightly interested in tech wants one, kids and adults alike. i think nintendo really have a great feeling for what the mass market wants in gaming. great timing. but that´s just me. i agree. the wiiu story will be an interesting one.

It’s almost double the price of Wii at launch..

“cheaper isn´t always better. nope. things need a value by it´s pricing too.”

W w what? You heard it here first folks the WiiU is now both a luxury item akin to an iPad aswell as being the perfect console for families.

Jesus Christ.

Are all consoles that much more expensive in Europe?

I can’t see many people paying $400+ for a new Nintendo console in Canada. I just got a refirbished Wii for the equivalent of 79 Euros for crapssake.

I’d be surprised if this were true. Around $300 seems like a reasonable upper limit to me.

@143: what the hell are you making up here…i never compared the wiiu to the ipad. all i said is that tablets are a big thing. people want them. the wiiu is delivering a gaming experience with a tablet controller. still it is different from an ipad. where can you buy an ipad for 250 to 350 euros by the way? please don´t put your thoughts into my mouth will ya…you made up that comparisson all by yourself. jesus christ indeed.

@ 136:

“yes i agree dreamcast and gamecube were great consoles, with great control pads, an fun games.”

Haha funnily enough, I originally DID write exactly what you said (before I edited it – which was still before you posted your reply though… I think). So the opposite – not the best-selling console being the worst but the worst-selling console being the best.

But while that would be true for Dreamcast and Game Cube, I still enjoyed the N64 more than the Saturn. Also the SNES more than the Genesis (Yes, up until the Wii, I used to be quite a Nintendo fan).
And in this generation, the horrible pricing sure doesn’t make the worst-selling PS3 my favorite. Then again you have the RROD for 360s, which makes the price/performance ratio just as bad. So you have the IMO awful Wii and the only slightly better but still awful PS3/360… Can you guess that I hated this generation?
Which is exactly why I worry that the recent history may indeed repeat itself…

@144
Europe is nothing compared to m country where I bought vita for more than 400$ as I needed a new handheld badly and 3ds just isn’t an option here as ninty games sell here for like goddamn 60$ for a 3ds and wii game. Hell even 3ds and wii sells for more than 300$ each.