Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes demo – watch now

Sunday, 2 September 2012 00:36 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes is the new, open-world entry in Kojima Productions’ groundbreaking stealth action series. Watch the presentation shown in Japan right here.

This is the same presentation as was shown during Metal Gear’s 25th Anniversary event, at which the Metal Gear Solid movie was announced. Although press and attendees were forbidden to share what they saw, there’s been a number of leaks and releases in the interim; here’s everything we know about Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes.

Ground Zeroes has not been dated.


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  1. ejams

    The official Playstation Blog confirmed it to be for PS3:

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Jaha-BRN

    Platforms are in fact announced at the end : PS3 and Xbox 360 (10’40 on the video)

    #2 3 years ago
  3. KAP

    1. Is this a PS3 exclusive?
    2. Why did everyone claim it was a 20min demo on Friday?
    3. Was more shown on Friday?
    4. SNAKE IS BACK INDEED!!! – Fucking SICK Demo.. All in-game graphics to that caliber… WOOOOOW!!!!

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Jaha-BRN

    At least 5 minutes more :it starts a 8min40.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Brenna Hillier

    Fixed, thanks.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. CPC_RedDawn

    Color me not impressed. I am glad they are going to back to the more original MGS roots as I have hated every single one of them bar the first one on PS1 and its remake on Gamecube.

    Do NOT expect it to look anything like that on current consoles, although the graphics were nowhere near as good as the press had hyped them to be. I mean, the lighting sure was excellent… it was ALL at night so more or less any lighting will look better. But the textures on the characters were dreadful, extremely low res the dogs in particular look like plastic toys. The cloth dynamics and physics looked pretty cool but lacked any real flow and they moved very unrealistically. If this is meant to be aimed at mid-range PC hardware from current gen tech then fair enough, but I think they could of gotten a little more out of them that this.

    Although this is the first MGS game in over a decade that has gotten my attention, in terms of potential gameplay and not graphics.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. osric90

    Looks amazing. I’m glad this is a true MGS title and not some crazy spin-off.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Phoenixblight

    Not interested. Of course they bring Snake in. Keep beating this dead Horse Kojima.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. SlayerGT

    I love Kojima’s nuance. Sick.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. MegaGeek1

    Thank the gods some exciting news has finally come out of the video game industry. I’ve been stagnating on boring crumbs all year. I have a feeling we’re finally getting a glimpse of what next gen console graphics will look like, and I couldn’t be happier!

    #10 3 years ago
  11. macronia

    That was stunning but i am confused … if it is running on PC , then how come in the end of the trailer it says xbox 360 and ps3 only ??

    #11 3 years ago
  12. Phoenixblight


    Because That is the platforms it will be on.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. Gekidami

    I’m guessing next gen games are being announced for PS3 & 360 for the time being. Star Wars *Bunch of random numbers* is also allegedly announced for the current gen consoles.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. HauntaVirus

    Looking good, hopefully MGS5 will be PS3 exclusive.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. GwynbleiddiuM

    I’m not happy, Kojima 2 years ago when he was showing off FOX Engine said his next project will be a multiplatform title and will be on PC as well, and here there was no PC or Windows anywhere…

    But the game looks great, especially animations. Can’t wait for an Englished dubbed trailer.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. Maximum Payne

    @15 Well I don’t think they trouble all that like just for one demo ?
    Its probably same thing like Battlefield 3 and Star Wars 1313.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. macronia

    @16 .. Well PCs are used to develop and demo games, using developer kits based on the hardware/software of the console the game is being made for. The trailer does NOT say it will be on PC, but it does very clearly say it will be on PS3 and 360. A demo running on a PC using a console developer kit DOES NOT mean the game will have a version that will install and run on a regular, windows based PC. Literally every console exclusive game ever made was built using a PC with a devkit, and early demos were running on a PC with a devkit.

    Of course i hope a PC version as the game seems it uses heavily graphics

    #17 3 years ago
  18. Yoshi

    @8 Well firstly this is Big Boss (original Snake) so it’s not as if this is Solid Snake and that MGS4 ending was just a waste of time :P

    #18 3 years ago
  19. Maximum Payne

    @17 I don’t know about that. Games are made on PC but I’am not sure they are run on PC, especially in like PS3 exclusive which architecture is completely different for you can just ”try” and demo on PC.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Takeshi

    Well, not a huge MGS fan, but fuck me, next-gen graphics can’t come soon enough!! I want a new Soul Reaver and the third Batman game with this kind of graphics!

    #20 3 years ago
  21. diego-rbb-93

    #18, not really sure about. It could be Solid Snake as hes´s aging, or it could be Big Boss years later ahead of Peace Walker. The key is the eye´s patch, is made of leather. WTF would do SS with one like that? Its definitely Big Boss.

    The cage boy cant be Raiden or Frank Jaeger, according to what I´ve read on MGS Wiki, if we take the fact of SS/BB age. In fact, if is BB the one we are playing, that kid could even be Solid Snake.

    MGS4 was the end of Solid Snake. There are more stories that could be made about him, but at that point, his history is finished, nothing else can be said about him after the final of MGS4. Kojima made it sure it was done in that way, and he will respect it forever.

    About the PC Fact, its probably coming to this platform. Kojima wants it.

    #21 3 years ago
  22. Hcw87

    No way in hell this will release on current platforms, it wouldn’t be run on PC if it were. It’s just like Star Wars 1313, a next gen title. And who knows, maybe it’ll look even better on the actual next gen systems. The 360 can’t handle graphics and physics like that, let alone the PS3. And why would they show it running on pc if the graphics will be nowhere near what it shows in the video? It’s just obvious.

    For me this was almost as impressive as Star Wars 1313, can’t believe people can bash the graphics shown here. Better than anything we’ve got so far on 360/PS3.

    #22 3 years ago
  23. Dragon246

    If this trailer/gameplay graphics are really this gen (which I highly doubt), other game engines should just shut their shops down.

    #23 3 years ago
  24. diego-rbb-93

    #22 Fail. The game is confirmed for PS3/360. In fact, the PC where the demo was running use close specifications to the PS3 specs. This game is a prologue for the MGS5 on Next-gen, all webs are confirming it.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. GwynbleiddiuM

    @21 You’re wrong, Big Boss lost his right eye, while Solid Snake have both eyes intact. So this is indeed Big Boss and there’s no doubt about it.
    The suit that Snake’s wearing in this demo is the exact same suit as Peace Walker.

    The game takes place after the events of MGS: Peace Walker and the spanish signs suggests they’re still in south america.

    The child is Chico in the cage and there are mentions of Paz, both are MGS: PW characters. Also Big Boss is in communication with Kazuhira Miller, I recognize the voice from Peace Walker Japanese trailer.

    Did you even read the subtitles? CHICO CHICO CHICO…

    Frank Jaeger was an adult and he was in Portable Ops. You’d know him as Null in MGS: PO.

    #25 3 years ago
  26. Psychotext

    They need to dial back that wet look, everything looks like plastic. Metal, skin, fabric, rocks… all plastic.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. Dragon246

    True. If anything, ps3 version will be the best as KojiPro has worked on ps3 more. Ps3 is difficult to develop for, but best looking consoles games are on it as it beats 360 in processing grunt easily. First party and japanese studios games are proof of that.
    And really, if this is ps3 graphics, all other game engines should go to hell for giving us games with sub-par graphics for last 6-7 years.

    #27 3 years ago
  28. GwynbleiddiuM

    @27 I’m a PS3 owner and I despise xbox 360, but you’re wrong. Red Dead Redempion looks much better on Xbox and has more details for starters. when PS3 isn’t the lead design platform it always looks slightly worse than 360.

    Also, this was a demo, it could look hell a lot less impressive in the final output. We shall see how it’s going to be once in-game footage pops in, and I mean actual gameplay and performance.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. Dave Cook

    @28 I’m curious as to why you despise Xbox 360. Not having a go at you, I’m just curious man, nothing more :)

    I like to get inside how gamers think about titles and formats as it’s useful for writing our articles. The community on this site is a good place to get inside the mindset of the people I’ve found.

    #29 3 years ago
  30. Ireland Michael

    So who is the guy with the messed up face supposed to be? Volgin? Decoy Octopus? Someone obvious I’m not thinking of? A completely new character?

    @28 That’s one game. He was talking about games specifically made for it. There’s far little argument to be made against the fact that the PS3 is technically the more graphical impressive console of the two.

    Impressive demo. The graphics are great, though this is nothing current gen hardware can’t go. Plenty of extremely low res textures are hidden under the graphical impressive atmospheric effect. Still looks great though. I definitely look the more realistic style they’re going for with this.

    Movement looks hello more fluid, which is exactly what the series needs. It’s been stuck in the same old stiff, jilted movement since MGS1.

    #30 3 years ago
  31. Dave Cook

    ’30 I thought it could have been Volgin too, but I’m pretty sure they’re done with him now.

    My theory is that – based on how old Snake looks when he takes the visor off – is that the guy in the hat is maybe a failed early prototype of the genome project. Hence looking all messed up.

    I first thought Zero, but in MGS 4 Zero isn’t all burned and messed up. He’s just a vegetated old man.

    Hot Coldman?

    #31 3 years ago
  32. KAP


    The more you work on an engine the better it looks, the PS2 era was testament of that.
    Ubisofts engine “Anvil” back on AC1 was amazing for its time, now AC3′s “AnvilNext” can do stuff they never thought possible way back then, 2,000 NPC in a battle, wide open spaces vastly different climable terrain, weather effects wasn’t even phathomable back on AC1.. now look!

    Everyones clammering for next gen, when in actual fact next gen is simply “perspective” in many ways.

    “You only need imagination to build the world” – Me.

    #32 3 years ago
  33. Ireland Michael

    @31 Yeah, you’re right. It’s definitely Hot Coldman. I was looking at concept sketches of him just now, and the hat is a dead giveaway.

    #33 3 years ago
  34. GwynbleiddiuM

    @Dave, it’s a long story, it’s more due to the fact that I resent the day Microsoft entered home console market. After the failure of MSX they planned their comeback well. They blurred the lines of what made computer games and console games different. They engaged in rivalry with everyone else results pushed them to do the same. So then became the day that there were no distinguished difference between each platform, PC, PS3, Xbox… I will always have a deep respect for Nintendo, despite all that they managed to stay true to their path, they managed to stay unique and preserve their identity. That’s the story of my hatred for XBOX 360, or rather Microsoft.

    There was a time when I enjoyed consoles and PC games differently, today I don’t really have a good reason to buy a console. You remember the PS2 age? It was fun, and unique and it mattered. I bought my PS3 this gen only to play MGS4, granted I played Uncharted games and God of War and Killzones and Resistances on it too. They were PS3 exclusives and they were great, especially GoW, Uncharted and MGS4, they had a bit of that old flavor in them.

    And also I’m pissed at how cheap XBOX360′s build quality was, It gave me Red Ring of Death. It works and sounds like a dishwasher machine, when it reads discs in high speed, you’re always at the edge of your sit trying to find a safe cover in case it explodes in your face.

    All these cheap marketing tactics gave them the edge they wanted to sell loads. And when you’re selling companies wont give a damn if your product is going to fall apart any moment. PS3 was expensive, but the build quality is legendary. Xbox was cheap and the build quality even cheaper.

    Not sure if I gave you the information you were after, but that’s my story. :D

    @Michael, I doubt that he’s Volgin, he was BIIIG, this one is your average joe. He might have tangled with Big Boss in the past but don’t think it’s Volgin. Maybe Coldman.

    #34 3 years ago
  35. Dave Cook

    @34 nah that was a good response. I know what you mean about the level playing field. I love my Xbox 360 and PS3 the same as they both play home to unique games, but yes, Nintendo is the one that always does stuff different – for better or worse.

    I’m not a fan of the way that with each new Nintendo format you can bank on there being a new Kirby game, new Zelda, new Mario, and more recently, a new Nintendogs, new brain training. Their lack of new IP irritates me as they used to be better at that back in the day. Their games are great of course, I’m just a staunch fan of new ideas :)

    I’m excited to see what Microsoft and Sony do in the next gen. I genuinely believe we could see some radical new ideas emerging, and OUYA could be a neat prospect too. Open platforms breed innovation, so that’s definitely one to watch.

    Cheers man :)

    #35 3 years ago
  36. Kuwabara

    I’m kinda surprised that they are releasing this game on ps3/this gen. Kojima once complained that he was only able to achieve a tenth of his desired goal, due to the capabilities of the ps3 being less powerful than he expected. So why release a game this gen? this fox engine must be that amazing if he can do a open world game with great graphics. Maybe he wants to take the crown away from naughty dog and have the best looking game.

    #36 3 years ago
  37. Ireland Michael

    @36 Because only a shit developer needs powerful hardware to release a good game. Boasting about and overinflating the capabilities of something is pretty common, especially in this industry.

    “A tenth of his desired goal” is just a number he pulled out of his ass.

    #37 3 years ago
  38. stretch215

    Lol @34. You need to get out more man. ;)

    #38 3 years ago
  39. Moonwalker1982

    They DID say several times that this was running on a PC with current gen specs. I don’t know if i believe it will really look like this on 360 and PS3 though,we’ll see.

    #39 3 years ago
  40. GwynbleiddiuM

    @35 Well, I don’t really had any Nintendo consoles after SNES, just DSi, but you can see from the games they’re making they have a code, a certain principal, that even third party devs follow in order to have a successful title on a nintendo machine.

    I just respect them for the effort.

    And as for the second part of your comment, at the rate they’re going they’ll probably just kill it off. :P I think consoles will become the new cable. A subscription based service and interactable streaming. Well if buying off Gaikai and Onlive is any indication, things are heading toward another thing I don’t like, mainly because I’m using a 512kbps internet connection in 21st century, in a country that almost breathing is forbidden, and sanctions and trade restrictions are interfering with my current form of entertainment, let alone that I have to stream everything off internet, that’d be a day that I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

    @38 very funny, hurr hurr hurr. Attacking people’s character just because they know stuff that others don’t is completely new, haven’t been done before. I always loved MGS series for it’s story, and that makes me pay attention. I fail to see how that shows I’m in desperate need of going out more…

    #40 3 years ago
  41. Kuwabara

    @37. Remember this quote after mgs4

    “I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn’t really do that because of the CPU. We’re using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not criticizing the PS3 machine, it’s just that we weren’t really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered – we were creating something we couldn’t entirely see.”

    If he really thinks mgs4 used up all the cell, how does he expect the new game to look better and be open world. Did mgs4 use a shitty engine?

    #41 3 years ago
  42. Dave Cook

    @36 he stated at the event that he’s also working on a next gen Fox Engine game, which will probably be MGS5 proper, or that ZOE project.

    #42 3 years ago
  43. Dave Cook

    @40 you’ve hit the nail on the head mate. I’m a firm believer in consoles moving to the wayside to make room for services. Imagine if Xbox 720 or whatever it’ll be called as a service, not a piece of hardware.

    I’m only in favour of it if it’s like Spotify though. I don’t want publishers holding me to ransom for £60 games over the wire just because it’s the only way to get the content. They need to be smarter than that I think.

    So like Spotify. Imagine paying £9.99 a month for Xbox Live if it meant you could stream every game that came out, ever. It won’t happen anytime soon as publishers still don’t ‘get’ the power that would have. They want all the revenue for themselves.

    I don’t think that’s greed though. They’re business that exist to make money, so I can’t blame them, plus many of them are shit scared of how volatile and uncertain the industry is right now.

    Once it’s all levelled off though, you will start to see some very interesting things happen in this space I’m sure.

    #43 3 years ago
  44. Kuwabara

    @42, he said it should look like this on the ps3 /xbox, and it might be next gen too.

    #44 3 years ago
  45. Maximum Payne

    But there are lot of versions of open world.
    Is it like Batman Arkham city or even bigger like GTA ?
    Or level are just very open ended a la crysis ?

    #45 3 years ago
  46. Gekidami

    Apparently Kojima said at the event that it was running on a PC with similar specs to a PS3, so it should look like this on that console.

    #46 3 years ago
  47. Clupula

    The console I wonder about for this, to be quite honest, is the 360. I think the PS3 can pull these graphics off, considering some of the graphics I’ve seen in Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2 & 3, and Beyond: Two Souls. The 360 version, on the other hand, I imagine will either be dithered graphically or have to be some sort of 4 disc monster.

    And as for games like Red Dead Redemption, it’s a commonly known fact that if your lead platform is the 360, the game will look lesser on PS3, whereas if your lead is PS3, you can usually get both versions looking equal (with the exception of Final Fantasy XIII, where the 360 version was seriously gimped graphically). The fact that they’re saying the PC they showed this on is equal to the PS3 specs says to me that they are most likely using the PS3 as the lead platform.

    And as for the mystery characters, the burned man is Hot Coldman. The kid…my first guess would be Chico, but if this takes place as many years after Peace Walker as I think it does, shouldn’t Chico be an adult or, at least, late teenager by now?

    #47 3 years ago
  48. Ireland Michael

    @41 Because he’s talking out of his ass.

    It’s caused hyperbole.

    @43 That’s never going to happen. The licensing fees would be enormous, and half the devs would never see a return on their investment.

    @47 It’s only set a few years after. It’s definitely Chico. It says as much.

    #48 3 years ago
  49. Clupula

    @48 – but if it’s only a few years after, why is Big Boss so old? Considering how old Big Boss is, his hair shouldn’t have turned completely white in only 3 or 4 years after Peace Walker. 10, maybe. 15 maybe.

    #49 3 years ago
  50. Clupula

    @41 – considering how many developers are still discovering how to get more and more power out of the Cell, to this day, I’d say maybe Kojima meant that he got as much power out of it as he could, at the time, with the knowledge he had then. He’s still had 4 years to figure out more things.

    #50 3 years ago
  51. Da Man

    I hope it’s exclusive for teh ps3.

    Stupid MS with their stupid western audience. I miss the days of no online, disc read errors, clicking noises in mah dvd drive and inferior hardware dominating the market so much that companies could get away producing ‘games’ that would otherwise bomb on PC.

    #51 3 years ago
  52. Ireland Michael

    @49 He’s not all that much older than he was in Peace Walker. He’s just going gray. His hair is for from gone “completely white”.

    It doesn’t matter either way. The trailer *says* it’s Chico.

    #52 3 years ago
  53. Clupula

    @51 – do you do anything besides troll, seriously?

    #53 3 years ago
  54. Da Man

    ^Look, dipshit.. I’ve had two PSXs, two PS2s, all four ended up the same way.

    You keep telling yourself that.

    #54 3 years ago
  55. Amaterasu

    Not impressed with what is shown contentwise. But love the atmosphere and engine, so let’s wait and see where they take it. But here we go again with the bad writing: “The pirate crackdown’s a go”.

    #55 3 years ago
  56. OrbitMonkey

    @54, You broke all four in fits of gamer rage, because you never could defeat Final Fantasy end bosses?

    #56 3 years ago
  57. Da Man

    Come on now, as if you never got teh red ring of rage when your quickscope failed you.

    #57 3 years ago
  58. Ireland Michael

    @53, 56 He’s trolling and insulting exactly for the kind of reactions you’ve given him. The sooner everyone ignores him, the sooner he’ll get bored and find somewhere else to piss off.

    #58 3 years ago
  59. Da Man

    Your level of IQ and irony of own behaviour never ceases to amaze me, Michael..

    Did you know the surname O’Connor is one of the top results in COD related searches? Unfortunately, including 2012.

    What would you do here without any users posting snide remarks :( ?

    #59 3 years ago
  60. YoungZer0

    God, you’re so shallow, it’s not even funny anymore.

    #60 3 years ago
  61. Da Man

    Indeed. I’m so shallow that I make fun of a page long tirade of how MS ruined both PC and console gaming only to get attacked by a butthurt Sony fanboy and a guy who thinks anyone playing CoD is a retard but likes to point fingers.

    Please do post some thoughts on toy evolution or better yet, sexism in Bayonetta. That’s some insightful talk right there.

    #61 3 years ago
  62. Dragon246

    Extended Trailer (courtesy IGN)-

    Uploaded it for those who hate IGN video player (like myself).

    #62 3 years ago
  63. badboy_122

    so the demo is rendered and running on PC …but the game itself not gonna be released on PC ? what the fuck !!!!

    #63 3 years ago
  64. Ireland Michael

    @63 Almost every single game is developed on a PC.

    #64 3 years ago
  65. Hunam

    Developing on a PC and for a PC is actually two entirely different things though.

    #65 3 years ago
  66. OrbitMonkey

    ^ Why is that Hunam? I have to admit, what I know about game development could be written on a stamp in crayon :-/

    #66 3 years ago
  67. Phoenixblight


    Its obvious the amount of testing of how the game works with all the varying hardware,OS,configurations where the console has set specs and doesn’r change at all nor do the developers have to worry about what other software is running while the game is playing.

    #67 3 years ago
  68. stretch215

    @40 nobody is attacking your (apparently fragile) character. Sure, I may have had a laugh at your expense after reading your tirade about Microsoft (b/c I think it’s ridiculous),
    but my comment was not meant to be offensive. Didn’t you see me wink my eye? ;)

    #68 3 years ago
  69. OrbitMonkey

    @67, It may be obvious to you good sir, but to a ignoramus like myself, the pc is just another platform… With better graphics :-P

    #69 3 years ago
  70. Phoenixblight


    If only it were that simple.

    #70 3 years ago
  71. Da Man

    MS were supporting the very core of japanese console oriented industry and leading the way for indies on consoles at the time Sony were busy advertising the banana gamepad and going on about cell processors interconnecting TVs and microwaves. Unfortunately, that didn’t prevent many console genres from losing even more relevance and quality.

    You have to have quite a tunnel vision to not notice all that.

    #71 3 years ago
  72. OrbitMonkey

    ^ Very good points indeed… Irrelevant to the topic mind, but hey-ho.

    #72 3 years ago
  73. Da Man

    I was referring to the previous messages.

    #73 3 years ago
  74. OlderGamer

    You know what DM needs?

    A dose of Tea.

    Would be like ying and yang, the two of the could balance each other out. Our … well, completly derail every single thread with meaningless off topic rants about company fandome.


    #74 3 years ago
  75. OrbitMonkey

    @73, You mean Gwyn’s way back in the 30′s? Or the one’s in your own mind *Twilight Zone theme tune*

    #75 3 years ago
  76. OrbitMonkey

    @74, If you say that 7 times in a mirror Tea WILL return ;-)

    #76 3 years ago
  77. OlderGamer

    @OM lol

    #77 3 years ago
  78. Da Man

    Nope, it’s O’Conner who is need of that, obv. I don’t even know whom I would compare Old hypocrite’s drunken essays to.. Any N4G CoD hater probably, since they aren’t that special but rather just long winded.

    +1 for missing Unpronunceable’s tirade whilst calling me out for being ‘meaningless offtopic’. You have to keep up with your friends I see.

    I was clarifying my previous message, which in turn addressed that one.

    #78 3 years ago
  79. Gadzooks!

    Some people talking out their ass about console power need to be reminded that the most technically accomplished console game by a pretty large margin is the Witcher 2.

    I’ve played the best the PS3 has to offer an nothing comes close to the opening scene where you walk through the siege camp. Take the best scenes in Uncharted (which are mostly matte backgrounds or elaborate skyboxes, with a tiny play area), but then make them fully explorable and interactive.

    The PS3′s crippling memory segregation makes large-scale games very difficult to pull off which is why PS3 exclusives are so lavish but narrow in scope. Uncharted, Killzone, Heavy Rain, GoW. All pretty games, but incredibly restrictive.

    #79 3 years ago
  80. Maximum Payne

    @79 Did you play Bad Company 2 or Battlefield 3 ?
    I am interested to know how does it look on consoles because 24 players,destruction,vehicles and big maps are not easy to render.

    #80 3 years ago
  81. Gadzooks!


    I have played them, and visually they are good, but certainly not top-tier. That’s fine though, I’ll take physics, AI and scope over flashy visuals every time.

    #81 3 years ago
  82. TheOutcastWolf

    This game look really promissing… but I hope the Xbox logo had nothing to do with it… MGS was supposed to be a PS exclusive and rarely a Nintendo game once in a while, MicroSoft will just hold this masterpiece down…

    #82 3 years ago
  83. SlayerGT

    @79 What’s so “technically accomplished” about the Witcher 2? I have it but have yet to play it. I’m curious.

    #83 3 years ago
  84. TheOutcastWolf

    @72 Mate you just went full casual, Witcher 2 is the worst rip-off butthurt game on the 360… but you all care more about shooting there right?

    I really like all consoles but I hate MS, again, I like the 360, it can do good things, but sadly MS just keep pulling it down and making crappy sequels… And shall we remember they killed the best 3rd party company that ever walked on earth?

    #84 3 years ago
  85. freedoms_stain

    @83, Play it, it’s awesome.

    I have it on PC so I have no idea what the hullabaloo is over the xbox version. Probably the best things in the game technically (for me) were the skeletal animations and character texturing. Character animation is incredibly fluid in the game, it’s like someone in the gaming industry finally realised the human spine doesn’t just have one pivot point somewhere near the rib cage and decided to give vertebrae a go. The skin textures are also incredibly life-like, people have pores and their scars don’t look drawn on. Geralt’s 100 year old battle scarred naked torso is a sight to behold let me tell you.

    #85 3 years ago
  86. Christopher Jack

    Of course people like Gadzooks has to turn this into a console war “Xbox iz better cuz Witcher 2 lookz better den Uncharted 2″ Apples & Oranges. Then you have Da Man consistently going off topic to attack both a certain machine & its users. We get it, Sony touched you in a naughty place- we don’t care that 4 of your consoles broke. Do you have any idea how many Xbox 360s people have been through? No? Then stop being a fucking hypocrite.

    Back to topic: Really nice looking game so far. Would have preferred that they released it on PC as well though.

    #86 3 years ago
  87. Kuwabara

    if this game is supposed to release next year, you’d think they’d be showing off footage from a console. Also, i do believe the ps3 can handle this game as is. Just look at the dam ground textures and rocks. It needs improving. Is it hard to make watery /mud ? they need to look at naughty dog. Im guessing their visit to naughty dog last year was to learn from the masters. As for the lighting, i saw the same looking light effects in Beyond: , so yes i excpect the ps3 game to look the same if not improved.

    #87 3 years ago
  88. SlayerGT

    @85 its on my list Freedoms. I heard it was good but I feel it will require Heavy Rain or Journey emotional investment. I have to be in the mood for an RPG much less one with enthalling story and scope. I sunk over 150 hours into Dragons Dogma over the summer but was easy since its just a really fun “B” grade adventure. I’ll get to it..if my 3rd Xbox doesn’t break *sarcastically winks at Da Man*

    #88 3 years ago
  89. Da Man

    Da Man is okay with Xbox being a poorly built machine, contrary to what Sdf soldiers want to think he just tends to point out stupidity of deluded customers.

    There was a single off topic post before mine, it’s not hard to figure that out.

    I won’t call you an idiot since I’m such a nice guy but you ‘re ruining my monitor every day.

    #89 3 years ago
  90. Gadzooks!


    Oh boo hoo, oh boo hoo hoo. Did the nasty man correct the baseless horseshit being bandied about by people who arent actually in posession of the facts or first hand experience to back up the wild claims they are making?

    Oh diddums, you poor insecure thing.

    Why dont you grow a pair you whimpering little child, or fuck off to a forum where people like you can huddle under a nice cosy single-corporation shelter, free from fact and the correction of people who know what the fuck they are talking about.

    Thing is you only ever comment on OTHER POSTERS. You obviously arent capable of discussing the issues so you go after personalities. You are effectively a tabloid reporter.

    You are the worst kind of forum troll. You are the jerk sitting on the sideline with cries of ‘bottle him’ and ‘go for the balls’ whenever a disagreement happens. But you dont contribute.

    So put up or shut up.

    #90 3 years ago
  91. Da Man

    Also, CristopherJackArse

    And also I’m pissed at how cheap XBOX360′s build quality was, It gave me Red Ring of Death. It works and sounds like a dishwasher machine, when it reads discs in high speed, you’re always at the edge of your sit trying to find a safe cover in case it explodes in your face.
    Omg wtf. Do yuo have any iead how many Pos2s ppl went htru?

    Shouldn’t stop you from selectively following blog comment sections.

    #91 3 years ago
  92. Joe Musashi

    Lots of insecurity and projection in this ‘discussion’. Must be the nanomachines.


    #92 3 years ago
  93. OrbitMonkey

    Great comedic double acts of our times, Laurel & Hardy, Abbott & Costello, Cannon & Ball, Da Man & Gadzooks.


    #93 3 years ago
  94. Da Man

    Meh, it all pales in comparison with cornered PC nerds being equally serious and deluded at the same time.

    #94 3 years ago
  95. Christopher Jack

    @90, Me insecure? You used 4 paragraphs attacking me while defending yourself. Just keep to the topic at hand, I don’t ever remember console of choice ever being a part of it. You only see what you want to see, no point trying to convince someone as deluded as yourself.

    If you don’t want people calling you out at the pathetic troll that you are, you have 2 choices: 1) Stop commenting. 2) Stop trolling. It really is that simple.

    #95 3 years ago
  96. Gadzooks!


    YOU attacked me for laying down some facts and correcting some peoples incorrect assumptions.

    YOU also personally attacked DaMan.

    YOU ragepost kneejerk personal attacks pretty much every time Sony is criticised.

    YOU very rarely contribute to topics, preferring to comment on people instead.

    YOU are the kind of petty topic derailing scum that makes debate and discussion descend into what this thread has descended into.

    Try thinking before using that bile-spattered keyboard of yours just once in a while. It might make you seem less of an antagonistic, snyde, petty argumentative prick.

    #96 3 years ago
  97. OrbitMonkey

    ^ lol, makes no comment regarding topic, rages against people making no comment about topic ;-)

    And yes I’m aware I haven’t either!! Soooo er… THIS LOOKS KEWL!! Next gen will have super awesome grafics!!

    #97 3 years ago
  98. Gadzooks!


    Exactly, see how shit just spirals away from the point when someone (CJ) starts the cycle of abuse?

    He has to have his snipes though. Kid can’t help himself.

    #98 3 years ago
  99. OrbitMonkey

    Cycle of abuse?! Your just as bad you lunatic!! :-P

    #99 3 years ago
  100. OrbitMonkey


    #100 3 years ago
  101. ManuOtaku

    An open world game from Kojima would be a very interesting thing to see, although i think he is better with a more linear approach, lets see how he handles this?, i hope it turns good.

    #101 3 years ago
  102. Christopher Jack

    @91. I didn’t even see that post but I would not have argued with it. I’ve been RRoD quite a few times & some of my previous 360s really did sound like they were preparing to launch. However, nor I or the original poster of that comment go into every article attacking the Xbox 360 & its users. It’s fair enough to criticize & debate, it’s how we as humans evolve.

    Unfortunately neither you or Gadzooks do that, you troll & harass other commenters in an attempt to derail a thread & push your own Anti-Sony propaganda on us all. I don’t care that you hate Sony, I no longer even own any Sony console, but we just don’t want to hear it every thread…

    Also to note, I’ve never had a problem- or know anyone who has with the PS2, nor do I know the statistics so I simply don’t comment on it. All I know is that Sony weren’t forced to cover a 3 year warranty so they couldn’t have been as bad as the X360s but that’s an assumption. Doesn’t matter either way, the PS2 is irrelevant to modern gamers. However I’ve been borrowing my sister’s lately to catch up on somethings that I’ve missed c:

    #102 3 years ago
  103. ManuOtaku

    I dont going to say if is good or bad, but what Da Man and Gadzooks are doing on this thread or other Sony Threads is not any different than some commenters on every Nintendo Thread, they are not the only ones doing it, and yet they are the only ones being called out from doing it.
    p.s no wonder why they are so defensive about it.

    #103 3 years ago
  104. Christopher Jack

    I do like the way the fabrics blow in the wind. Too often, even in huge budget games, attention to detail is heavily overlooked & you end up with games that just don’t feel alive. While only small, having a cape or a baggy outfit that is just unnaturally static can kill the immersion somewhat. I mean, just look at the way the ranger armour moves in Fallout NV, it’s quite frankly disturbing.

    #104 3 years ago
  105. GwynbleiddiuM

    I thought by now you learned that you shouldn’t quote or respond to Da Man, that’s what any sensible and sane person should do. But you ignore your brain’s advise and succumb to that urge, the need to enlighten his ignorant ass. Trust me, you were not the first, but as long as you pay attention to Da Man, he has the fuel to go on, you feed him, and he obliges.

    @Da Man, as far as you quoting me goes, Dave Cook asked me a question and I answered, based on firsthand personal experience. I never said PS2 was build greatly, it’s ODD was a mess, and I had to buy a second one because at the end of its cycle, replacing an ODD was almost as expensive as buying a new one. So I bought a slim one a 2 years before PS3, and it never broke after that.

    My problems with my PS2 was purely ODD based, my problems with my XBOX 360 was beyond just replacing the drives optical sensor, I had many issues and it finally died. So, I stand by my word, XBOX 360′s build quality is utter shit.

    #105 3 years ago
  106. Christopher Jack

    @15, LoL. Practice what you preach, mate.

    @103, While I agree with you that Nintendo tends to take quite a lot of unfair criticism on this site(sometimes even by myself). Perhaps because this site is viewed as a hardcore gamers hub for information &, depending on your perspective, Ninty may be viewed as a casual company. However, while Ninty maybe unfairly criticized, rarely is that negativity aimed at any specific user.

    #106 3 years ago
  107. ManuOtaku

    #106 havent you heard OG is the leader of the NDF?, in pasts posts some negativity was aimed at a various specific users.

    #107 3 years ago
  108. Christopher Jack

    @107, & it’s probably still tied to Da Man.

    #108 3 years ago
  109. GwynbleiddiuM

    @106, I know, right? :D

    #109 3 years ago
  110. ManuOtaku

    #108 yes, and a few others too, hence my comment.

    #110 3 years ago
  111. Ireland Michael

    Who cares what’s tied to who? It’s only getting dragged out because people keep talking about it.

    #111 3 years ago
  112. Christopher Jack

    @111, You’re not one to forget & move on yourself.

    #112 3 years ago
  113. Da Man

    Unpronynunceable, you are both deluded in regards to myself and the gaming industry I see…

    I made fun of your deluded rant, which was the whole and only point of my original comment.. quickly and predictably it was taken out of context. So I clarified it.. X360 build quality is bad, but your imaginary theories about MS are even more so.

    Also CristopherJack(arse), if mimicking the stupidity of pointlessly devoted people is akin to trolling and attacks in your book, by all means do continue to think so.

    #113 3 years ago
  114. Ireland Michael

    @112 I stopped wasting my energy humouring the blatant trolling of these kinds of individuals a good while back. Regardless, two wrongs don’t make a right anyway.

    As long as people continue to give these people attention, they will continue to behave this way, because reactions from people exactly what they want. It doesn’t matter what you have to say or how valid your point. They don’t care.

    #114 3 years ago
  115. Da Man

    Wholeheartedly agreed, O’Conner.

    Just an example of that pathetic behaviour:

    14/11/11, 5:52 pm
    How bout some comments on Halo Anniversary or the reviews…

    Looking forward to going through this in HD with the new graphics. Love that they added that on the fly switch button for comparison.

    14/11/11, 6:01 pm
    @31, Sheesh, try to be nice & look what happens. Typical troll Is typical.

    #34Ireland Michael
    14/11/11, 6:21 pm
    @32 It’s a boring rehash of a game that was already boring when it came out. There you go.


    #115 3 years ago

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  • Update now available for Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, Pokemon X and Y

    Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire along with Pokemon X and Y are being updated by Nintendo to fix a few bugs and in-game text. There’s also the possibility of a few hacks and exploits being fixed. Per Nintendo Life (via Serebii), both patches are 250-270 blocks in size, and it’s a mandatory update which […]

  • Side-scrolling cover shooter Not a Hero gets a demo

    Not a Hero, the upcoming game from OlliOlli developer Roll7, has received a demo. The demo for Not a Hero was made available today on Steam. In the game, you play as Steve, the campaign manager for BunnyLord. A time-travelling rabbit who’s running for mayor of London. Think this is an absurd premise? This trailer […]

  • You have until April 30 to export your Green Day: Rock Band tracks to Rock Band 3

    Harmonix has announced that those looking to export their song collection from Green Day: Rock Band into Rock Band 3 can only do so until the end of the month. April 30 will be the cutoff date for anyone who wants to export tracks from Green Day: Rock Band into their Rock Band 3 library, […]

  • Batman: Arkham Knight minimum, recommended, and ultra PC specs revealed

    Batman: Arkham Knight is looking like it’s going to be quite a taxing game. Nvidia has released a list of the minimum, recommended, and ultra PC requirements for Batman: Arkham Knight. Here’s the full thing: Minimum OS: Win 7 SP1, Win 8.1 (64-bit Operating System Required) Processor: Intel Core i5-750, 2.67 GHz | AMD Phenom […]

  • Bloodborne patch 1.03 is live, reduces loading times, fixes suspend/resume bugs, more

    Patch 1.03 is now live for Bloodborne. The patch reduces loading times, adds item descriptions to loading screens, and fixes other various bugs. From Software has pushed update 1.03 live to all Bloodborne owners. As promised, it reduces loading times by approximately 5 to 15 seconds. Another new addition is showing item descriptions instead of […]

  • Battlefield 4: first look at Community Map in action

    Get your first look at the map designed by the community of Battlefield 4. Battlefield 4′s community-designed map is a reality. DICE has recently updated CTE to include an early version of the map. It’s not fully textured as Westie is about to show you, but the layout is nearly finalised. Westie goes over the […]

  • Microsoft apologises for uploading misleading Witcher 3: Wild Hunt footage

    Xbox’s YouTube channel uploaded a video of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt yesterday that was captured from the PC build. The most recent gameplay video for the The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt appeared on the Xbox YouTube channel and showed a quest from the game’s opening section. A few minutes after it had gone live, […]

  • Assassin’s Creed creator’s new game is Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey

    Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey is the game Assassin’s Creed creator Patrice Desilets has been working on. Patrice Desilets has just announced that the next game his indie studio Panache Digital Games is making is called Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey. The announcement comes from Desilets’s keynote at the Reboot Develop event in Croatia. The trailer started […]

  • Bloodborne: Cathedral Ward closed door mystery solved

    The mystery of the locked door at the bottom of the Cathedral Ward in Bloodborne has been solved. Bloodborne, like earlier From Software games, is filled with doors that don’t open the first time you try them. Some will give you “locked” messages, others “does not open from this side”. Some of these will open […]

  • Assassin’s Creed creator Patrice Desilets is revealing his next game now [UPDATE: ended]

    Patrice Desilets, one of the original creators of Assassin’s Creed is hosting a presentation where he’s expected to talk about his next project. Patrice Desilets has emerged once again. This time he’s attending development conference in Croatia. Desilets is giving a live keynote and there’s a good chance we’re going to hear about his next […]

  • Destiny House of Wolves: everything you need to know about gear upgrades & The Reef

    Bungie revealed plenty of important details in last night’s Destiny stream. Let’s go over everything. Alex wants to make sure you don’t miss any of the information revealed yesterday. Most of it affects all Destiny players too, even those who don’t intend on buying House of Wolves. During the first stream, Bungie explained the armour […]

  • Mod-friendly Galactic Civilizations 3 will leave Steam Early Access in May

    Galactic Civilizations 3 will leave Steam Early Access next month for a full release, Stardok has announced. The developer called the game the “largest and most diverse strategy sandbox to date,” as players have a variety of tools such as diplomatic treaties to resource exchanges, and United Planets resolutions to hundreds of research directions for […]

  • Ys 6: The Ark of Napishtim is out next week on PC – here’s the pre-order trailer

    Ys 6: The Ark of Napishtim will be released next week on PC, and today, we have a pre-order trailer for you. The game will be made available on April 28 for $19.99/€17.99/£13.99 on GOG, the Humble Store and Steam. Along with improvements over the original PSP version, it will contain less backtracking, controller support […]

  • Destiny: House of Wolves – full gear set up to level 34 in PvP and PvE, upgrades, more

    The Destiny: House of Wolves livestream this afternoon was chock full of information. Read onward for our full report. According to Bungie, Petra Venj, who serves the Queen, is the main story agent who leads the player through the main series of quests. Players who complete bounties will be able to level up in her […]

  • Destiny: House of Wolves – watch the livestream right here

    Bungie will host a Destiny: House of Wolves livestream at 2pm EDT today, and you can watch it right here. Watch live video from Bungie on The stream will introduce the new social space, The Reef, as well as gear upgrade paths. House of Wolves contains new Strike missions, The Prison of Elders three-player […]

  • FIFA Ultimate Team: week of April 22 team includes Barcelona, Chelsea players

    This week’s FIFA 15 Team of the Week is now available for FIFA Ultimate Team players. Each team member, as with previous weeks, is selected base on the previous weekend’s matches. Here’s the list of players now available: Starting GK: Claudio Bravo – FC Barcelona (Spain) CB: Leonardo Bonucci – Juventus (Italy) CB: Ömer Toprak […]

  • Sony’s Spring Fever Sale winds down with Shovel Knight and Call of Duty discounts

    It’s the final week of Sony’s Spring Fever Sale which means more games have been added to the mix. Shovel Knight, which launches today is one offer, and the rest are all Cal of Duty titles. The Taken movie series is on sale as well. With Shovel Knight available today on PlayStation 3, PS4 and […]

  • Drivers for Xbox controllers, voice messages, more features available in Xbox One preview

    Microsoft has announced new features coming to Xbox One and the Xbox App on Windows 10 through the preview program this month. Some of the new features have been requested by the community for both Xbox One and Xbox One SmartGlass. Here’s what to expect, straight from the horse’s mouth: Xbox on Windows 10 Game […]

  • Total War: Warhammer has been announced for PC, Mac, SteamOS

    Total War: Warhammer has been announced after previous teases from The Creative Assembly touched upon it. The game will contain “gigantic monsters, flying creatures, legendary heroes and storms of magical power.” It is also the first in a trilogy which includes two additional standalone titles and extra content packs. It will feature thousands of warriors […]

  • This video for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt features a quest from the prologue

    A new video for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt has been released, showing off the Precious Cargo quest contained in the game’s prologue. The quest tasks Geralt with helping a merchant retrieve a mysterious box from the swamps. The scene looks familiar, but we’ve seen so many videos for the game it’s hard to tell […]

  • Limited public beta for The Elder Scrolls Online kicks off tomorrow on consoles

    The limited public beta for The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited will launch on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One tomorrow, and Sony has provided details on the tester for those who’ve been invited to participate. The beta test contains the full version of the game and will run from April 23-27, and will start and […]

  • Dying Light debuts in second place on Media Create charts

    Techland’s Dying Light made its debut in Japan lats week, coming in a respectable second place behind Nintendo’s Girls Mode 3: Kirakira Code. The zombie shooter sold 25,530 units on PlayStation 4, while the top earner for the week moved a little over 55,000 units on 3DS. Another western release when landed on the chart, […]

  • Lord of Magna: Maiden Heaven will release in the west this June

    Lord of Magna: Maiden Heaven has been given a release date by XSEED Games, which announced the localization back in February. The title will launch for 3DS in North America on June 2 digitally and through retail. It will be an eShop only title in Europe and Australia when it releases on June 4. A […]

  • This Overlord video teases four new faces of evil

    A new Overlord game is in the works, going by the previous teasing and this video – which teases the possibility of four-payer co-op. Or just four characters to choose from. We don’t know just yet – all we know is the team is asking you to “join the fellowship.” A new entry in the […]

  • GTA movie will star Daniel Radcliffe as Rockstar’s Sam Houser, the BBC confirms

    The GTA movie Game Changer will star Daniel Radcliffe as Rockstar co-founder and president Sam Houser, theBBC has confirmed. The BBC also confirmed Bill Paxton will play Jack Thompson, a role Paxton already confirmed last week when speaking with Deadline. Here’s the synopsis per the BBC: “Conceived for an adult audience, this special 90-minute drama […]

  • Take a look at Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold’s Classic Mode

    Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold’s Classic Mode has received a trailer today. Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold will come with two modes, Classic and Story. Classic Mode was trailered today and in it, you’ll get to make your party by choosing from 13 classes. You’ll be able to customise them too using the character creation tool. Revamped […]

  • Shovel Knight: Plague of Shadows to come with new challenge mode

    Shovel Knight’s upcoming expansion Plague of Shadows will bring with it a new challenge mode. Shovel Knight developer Yacht Club Games has revealed the challenge mode, one of the new additions coming to the game with the free Plague of Shadows expansion. “Are you more into digging than distillation? Already have your Feats book long […]

  • Nvidia releases complete graphical guide for GTA 5

    Those with GeForce cards will be happy to know that Nvidia has released a comprehensive graphical tweaks guide for GTA 5. Nvidia usually produces graphical guides for the big AAA games, and GTA 5 is no different. Their guides offer in-depth coverage of each in-game setting, how much they affect framerate, if they can be […]

  • Cthulhu voodoo: why Bloodborne is the best Lovecraftian game

    Sherif Said tackles Bloodborne’s links to Lovecraftian horror, explaining why you should face the madness and immerse yourself in its lore. Spoilers inside. No other game could commit to its themes so religiously without feeling the need to compromise its vision and veer towards accessibility. Bloodborne stands tall above any game that dares attach itself […]

  • WWE 2K15 is coming to PC this year

    WWE 2K15 will make its way to PC this spring. WWE announced that WWE 2K15 will make its debut on PC in the spring. The game will be based on the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One versions, both of which came out in November. MyCareer and 2K Showaces modes are included, as well as all […]

  • GTA 5 PC: new mod adds snow to GTA Online

    If you’re looking to get some snow in your GTA Online, someone figured out a way. Modder ECB2 created a mod that works with GTA Online on PC. The mod is called “Snow in GTA Online” and it does what it says on the tin. YouTube channel imperfectplayers captured a video showing it in action. […]

  • Deals with Gold: Call of Duty edition

    Xbox Live Deals with Gold for the week of April 20 are now live with mostly Call of Duty games. Various Call of Duty games are on sale on Xbox One and Xbox 360 through Xbox Live this week. Indie games Never Alone and We Are Doomed managed to sneak in as well. With the […]

  • Mortal Kombat X: PSN sign in problems fixed in new patch

    Patch 1.03 is now live for Mortal Kombat X and it brings an end to the aggravating sing in issue encountered by some users on PS4. Mortal Kombat X 1.03 patch has been released. The patch fixes bug CE-34878-0, which affected the PlayStation 4 version. The bug caused users to have to log in and […]

  • GTA 5 PC: new patch fixes Windows Media Player issue, getting stuck in the clouds

    GTA 5 has received a new patch on PC to fix issues caused by the lack of Windows Media Player and getting stuck between online matches. Patch 335.1 is now available to all owners of GTA 5 on PC. The strange issue that affected those who didn’t have Windows Media Player installed, has been fixed. […]

  • Halo 3: ODST and Relic remake come to The Master Chief Collection in May

    Halo 3: ODST and Halo 2′s Relic map remake are coming to Halo: The Master Chief Collection next month. 343 Industries has announced that Halo: The Master Chief Collection owners will get Halo 3: ODST campaign and the Relic remake in the next content update, due in May. And as promised, the April update has […]

  • Rockstar says Social Club wasn’t hacked, account details leaked from other websites

    Following a number of reports from users who had their Social Club accounts hijacked, Rockstar has confirmed that the service has not been hacked. Over the last couple of days, a few users on Reddit and Rockstar Twitter support started reporting getting kicked out of their GTA Online sessions and seeing an error telling them […]

  • That Destiny: House of Wolves teaser is packed with new intel, Reef reveal at 11.00am PST today

    The new Destiny: House of Wolves social space was revealed more fully than you might believe in today’s teaser. A teaser for a Destiny: House of Wolves’ new social space went live earlier to advertise today’s full reveal. But resident Destiny expert Arekkz went over the teaser with his very fine-toothed comb and turned up […]