PlayStation All-Stars: Battle Royale ‘just a rip-off’ – Kamiya

@47

I personally believe that they do have gravitas.

Gravitas, unless you didn’t know, can also mean ‘important’ and I believe that Nintendo’s cast in the Smash Bros titles are more of an important and crucial ensemble instead of the hastily thrown together misfits seen in PSABR.

They’re consistent because of the worlds that Nintendo has crafted for them, whereas in PSABR, you could get Kratos hammering away on Parappa the Rappa for example. See my point yet?

I’m amazed though, that you didn’t realise that gravitas has a variety of meanings.

Oh well. Back to personal insults for you then I guess to try and get your point across.

“but you’re talking about little red/blue plumbers.”

And a clown face pycho with flaming hair is so much more … what mature? Adult? Cool? Gravitas?

@51
As a collective the Nintendo set of characters have great pulling power – and hence importance. I’m not sure how the Sony characters are inspired by them though?

You said …
“a group of straggler mascots that not only lack the collective gravitas of their Ninty inspirations”

I’m not sick of gaming. I’m sick of the community, every forum site it’s the same crap from the “devotee’s” of gaming. It’s getting tiring to read and I keep hoping that my peers will one day stop these dumbass comparisons on cosmetic design. Especially with the older crowd that are fully aware of this since they’ve been playing just as long if not longer then I have. The story never changes with these sites. And, if it weren’t for me staying up to date on my hobby I wouldn’t see it. But, it get’s to a point where the record is beyond broken.

@53

I suppose that goes back to what I was saying, in #51 when I referred to them coming from a series of similarly themed worlds, whereas the characters in PSABR, appear to just be a motley crew of first and third party mascots thrown in together.

I don’t think I would mean that Sony was inspired by them, rather than because their line-up of characters in PSABR doesn’t have the thematical consistency of the Smash Bros games, (See the Kratos/Parappa comparison) that it makes them seem a lot more thrown together with little thought behind them.

But really, in regards to the OT, the consistency of the character roster is a minor point.

Wow, it took 42 posts for me to be accused of being a format fanboy. Surprised it took that long, actually.

Again, I’ll ask.

@42 “Translation: Miyamoto didn’t shit it out, so I know I won’t like it.”

So I guess that’s why my favourite games of the last decade are all Sony exclusive titles then, huh?

@52 Don’t forget the generic looking male in casual clothes. And the… other generic looking male in casual clothes. I think there’s another generic looking male in casual clothes they’ve yet to be announce as well.

Half of PSASBR’s problem is that many of the icons that actually helped establish the PlayStation name aren’t even in here, and what we’re left with is an aesthetically scattered hodge-pod of has-beens and also-rans. Many are characters you would barely even associate with Sony (mind you, Snake and Sonic in SSBB are just as guilty of this), and the lack of Crash Bandicoot is frankly depressing.

@54 “It’s getting tiring to read and I keep hoping that my peers will one day stop these dumbass comparisons on cosmetic design.”

You’re frankly deluding yourself if you think this boils down to nothing more than purely cosmetic similarities.

A heavenly kingdom… Mushroom pipe kingdom…. a post civil landscape….. a futuristic world with aliens…. all connect? The only thing that connects is the sprites of the game in smash because they are all from vastly different worlds with the exception of a FEW that are connected.

Then again there really isn’t a diverse array of games these characters are spread out from to come together where a large array of the cast hail from the same game.

Chalk that up to another difference in PASBR then in Smash less Pallet swaps

@Everyone… it’s a ripoff, just admit it. Still going to buy it, still going to enjoy it as much as I enjoyed SSB because the gameplay of those games was amazing especially since it was a great game your friends could play with you when they come over.

So stop complaining over symatics. If someone on the internet thinks it is/isn’t a ripoff… you’re probably not gonna convince them otherwise.

I can’t believe someone put “nintendo magic”in a comment. Well, actually you gave me my first genuine gut-busting laugh in at least a week. I guess I should thank you @37 . You beat me to it.

@55
Ok gotcha. Games are clearly inspired by but characters aren’t. Agree Nintendo roster is more cohesive – but does that indicate less variety in visual style for them or just a mish-mash in this

And the funny thing is that I DO see this as a rip-off, but when people start throwing around ridiculous phrases like “Nintendo magic” and claiming that Mario is somehow a deep character, I have to call people on it.

And I’ll even agree that it has too many characters that people don’t necessarily associate with Sony. Why is a Big Daddy in this? Why is DINO in this, instead of old school Dante, who people do associate with Playstation? Why is Raiden in this, when he’s from the first multiplatform Metal Gear game?

Which Fedora 15 directive has an opened and closed tag instead of being a single word called?

@62 Still waiting for an answer.

@62
Sony: We want Snake in PASBR!
Konami: We want $$$!
Sony: Oh … how much for Raiden?

@59 – no worries, mate. I calls ‘em like I sees ‘em.

@65 Huh, I only just realised the irony in that.

Snake is a character you *would* associate with the Sony brand, but appears in Brawl, while Raiden, whose only playable titles are all multi-format, ends up in this.

@66 You simply can’t admit that your blind assumption of my personal bias is completely unsubstantiated, can you?

Will never happen, but what the Sony fighter needs is Crash and Spyro. As well as a handful of other “mascots” from PSx. And yes I fully understand why they can’t have them, but still.

@68 That’s the other problem. Beyond characters that have absolutely nothing to even do with Sony, the vast of majority of these “mascots” have only existed for the past couple of years.

As a company with nearly 20 years of heritage in the industry, and being the company that single handedly catapulted us into the mainstream, that’s just odd.

Well, I have no problem with Kratos and Drake and Cole being there, because, even if they’re newer characters, they are iconic in their own way. Fat Princess, on the other hand…

@67 – you are totally right on the Snake/Brawl-Raiden/All-Stars thing. It is very odd, to say the least.

@70 I love how you keep ignoring the other question.

@42 “Translation: Miyamoto didn’t shit it out, so I know I won’t like it.”

So I guess that’s why my favourite games of the last decade are all Sony exclusive titles then, huh?

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Appreciate the agreement though.

Why even waste your keyboard, #70? This is O’Conner we’re talking about here. He’s independent…

I think a so long debate and Sony itself is using Super Smash Brothers as its only tag for the Youtube page to advertise PlayStation All Stars, that tells everything

Now having said that, doing a game that is in a genre of a smash’em up couldnt be considered a ripoff, but more of a homage in my opinion, but Sony using Super Smash Brothers as a way to promote their game is a bit too far closely of being a rip off, at the very least they are comparing the two games so closely is baffling.

i think some of you are nuts to think snake is not gonna be in this. they will probably announce it during the metal gear 25th anniversary along with hopefully mgs5. it will probably be old snake or big boss to differentiate from solid snake that appeared in smash. as far as crash, spyro, cloud, sephiroth i am willing to bet they will release them as downloadable content. activision and square will want a lot of money and the only way sony could probably afford them is to cut a bigger pie for those characters when they are downloaded separately.

Why has a Smash Brothers rip caused so much debate? Yes it’s a rip, yes it’s a cheap cash in and yes you don’t have to buy it.

It has no negative impact on anything, move along.

For someone who doesn’t give a toss about either game this has been a really enlightening debate.

So one side likes the version of the game with Ninty characters and the other side prefers the one with Sony (or otherwise) characters… but it seems like one is definitely better than the other… depending on which one you like more.

Well, this certainly is something new to the industry.

I dont know ninty fanboys are so butthurt discussing that PSASBR is a copy of ssb or not. ssb was a good idea. It was about time someone else followed suit. Just because I am a ps gamer does not mean that I cant play a ssb like game because ninty wont release on ps and some nintendogs say “its a ripoff and shit” without even playing. I have played the beta and it rocks.

@77 And what about those of us who also support Sony and still think it’s a lazy ripoff?

Not everyone who has a problem with this game is a “Nintendo fanboy”, and it’s an incredibly lazy assumption to make.

@78 at which point why are you not just saying it is not your type of game and moving along. why constantly complain when obviously a lot of journalists and game sites have said that game is a lot of fun and admitting it is heavily inspired or some even calling it a rip off. people who have played the beta also say it is fun. i personally consider it a new game in that genre with tactics and gameplay very different from the way smash is played.and what exactly makes it a “lazy” ripoff? because you find it dull or boring? sony/superbot took what makes smash a great game and tried to bring their own take on it. people that only own a ps3 get to see why people rate smash highly and i don’t see why people have a problem with it.

“@78 at which point why are you not just saying it is not your type of game and moving along.”

Super Smash Bros. is entirely my “type of game”. But that has nothing to do with my question.

Apologies for being an advocate for quality.

it´s sad. everytime a nintendo discussion is coming up a shitstorm is coming up too.
ok, then don´t play those games, keep saying those are kids games… whatever. it is your own freaking loss. i am more than happy though that there still are people who are able to see the beauty of those games.

@59: if you really cannot laugh enough these days – just play kirby´s return to dreamland with 3 of your friends. you´ll laugh the whole play session, i bet on it. it´s….y´know….nintendo MAGIC!

The advocate for quality who says they can tell something is bad without having ever played it. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

@81 – a shitstorm wouldn’t come up if Nintendo fanboys wouldn’t act like pathetic manchildren every time one of their sacred cows is brought up.

^^noone has. i used the word “nintendo magic” and people clicked. that´s all. i totally meant what i said in my first post. manchild? you neneh cherry fan?

@83 You still haven’t responded to the fact that none of my favourite games are made by Nintendo, and that I’m huge fan of much of Sony’s first party work.

Your lazy “Nintendo fanboy” retort is completely redundant considering almost everyone discussing the subject in this thread so far are people that I know for a fact are platform agnostic.

@80 advocate for quality? ROFL

let me get this straight you say you like a lot of sony first party stuff and not really a nintendo fanboy. you say super smash bros is entirely your type of game and yet you are not even going to give it a shot and will call it a ripoff. o wait not just a rip off but a “lazy” ripoff. you are an advocate of quality on top of all this where you can judge it before even playing it… . i still don’t see why you have a problem with this. the nintendo fans can play their game when it comes out and the sony fans can play this. why hate and call it a lazy ripoff without even playing when journalists and beta testers are mostly positive on the game and call it fun.

People who do nothing but praise Nintendo at the expense of everyone else are not exactly who I would see as platform agnostic. See, here’s the difference between Nintendo fanboys and everyone else…I know quite a few people who love their PS3′s who are not huge Killzone fans and will call out the poor quality and lack of innovation in the franchise. I know quite a few people who love their 360′s who are not huge Fable fans and will call out the poor quality and lack of innovation in the franchise.

Yet, when it comes to Nintendo, from certain people here, everything they’ve ever done is gold, no matter how many times we’ve seen it before. And Nintendo are the only ones who ever originate anything, according to some people on here.

I swear if Nintendo released a bag of 10 lbs. of dog shit and stuck the Nintendo logo on the side of the bag, there are people in here who would defend it to their last breath. If Sony or Microsoft did that, they’d be rightly called out for it, but to the Nintendo magic crowd, Nintendo can never do any wrong.

@87:
have you seen my forum thread about my 3ds xl first impression? or how i struggled with the wii for YEARS until it finally clicked again?
i have posted a million times that i love the ratchet and clank franchise (to name just one sony ip i truly love), that one of my biggest gaming hopes for the rest of this gen is the announcement of a new aaa medievil game for ps3 or vita…
i am also a huge halo whore. ask IR, we have a lot of disagreement going on about halo.
still this sony brawler is a rip off though and nintendo games have a certain magic to it. have you played the wind waker or mario glalaxy? those games are just insaneley good. it´s not just nostalgia.
thing is: most of the nintendo stuff just IS great, the creativity put in most of these games just needs the fullest respect and many of them have a certain ingredient that distinguishes them from all the others, which makes them more special. many will never like a kirby game because they say it´kids stuff. in fact those games are great, quality games, real gameplay monsters and kirby is a badass, much more so than michael fenix.
or take yoshi! those yoshis eat enemies, shit them out as eggs and throw them back at their foes. that´s nasty. that´s more badass than a chainsaw gun if you ask me.
…what can i say. that´s how things are imho. that´s not making me a fanboy but yea, a manchild maybe (i hope so, thank you).
now open your mind, become a man, start plaing this games.