EA: next-gen consoles out “probably starting next year”

What people have to think about when they are concerned about the cost of the next gen consoles is that tech has come a long long way since 2005. The next gen consoles could use mid range PC counterparts from last gen (ATI HD 5850, Nvidia GTX470) and still be relevant in four to five years time. People are forgetting that a console is MASS market consumer products, they are being manufactured by the thousands so prices for CPU’s, GPU, RAM, etc, etc are very small seen as Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo obviously are buying is some serious numbers.

Why don’t PC elitists stick to their lovely PCs and leave console players alone? U mad?

Just don’t bother yourself, don’t buy consoles. I’m sure no one will force you. I’m sure of it.
You are too hardcore to play on consoles.

Current consoles are fine if you never play on PC. The problem is when you play on PC and then get back to consoles.

If you want to enjoy your consoles, stay away from PC because when you experience it it’s difficult to go back to such low-tech.

—xxJPRACERxx

And that is exactly the crux of it.

I did a bit on that samething in a another thread comparing a Saturn to current gen. If all you ever had was a Saturn, you wouldn’t think any less of the system. But when you got your hands on a PS3, you would have a hella time going back to your saturn. While you still may enjoy some of its games(I know I still do), your not going to be able to look at it the same way or get excited about new Saturn games if they were to still come out. Your going to want to game on the PS3.

That in a nut shell is the PC vs Console problem right there. No ranting needed.

Alot of console gamers, like Gad, are prolly feeling threatend by PC. And if your a staunch console gamer, why wouldn’t you? PC market has exploded. And for those of us that either converetd from consoles or been PC gamers all along, we fully understand the advantages that come with PC games.

So, enjoy your Saturn. It is a great system.

It depends how much of a gamer you are.

Some people have no problem going from a PC to a DS, for example. Some gamers may even spend more time on the latter. They’re more interested in the gameplay than overall presentation.

I agree and disagree at the same time G1GA. I am on board with gameplay over graphics. Hell I game on Wii

But PC isn’t just about graphics. It is about choice. With in the games themself. And about playablity. Minecraft on PC vs Console for example. Using that game because graphics aren’t the reason people enjoy it or the draw(unless your into the retro vibe). The game plays much better on PC, and mouse and KB are far better suited for the game then a gamepad. Esp the building.

So I don’t know that there are levels of gamers and higher level ones can game on anything type of thing.

I think most of us are looking for thebest system to game on. Some might have different peramiters of what constitues the best. Might be a game exclusive, a social or online comunity, might be moding, could be price point of hardware and or software. But what ever it is, its cool. Or should be.

Imo, Erth(prolly me too) shouldn’t be ranting on every thread about consoles stinking up the joint. Any more then Gad should be calling PC players elitest. In truth both have valid points.

Console gaming, because it is the lowest common denominater frequently holds PC gaming back. The tech is old and outdated, esp this gen. But because they are mass market thier importance isn’t going to change. Erth needs to move on.

Yet, almost everything Erth has said is correct. PC is the better game experience. PC is the better tech. The better choice. Gad can’t cling to consoles, stick their head in the sand and pretend PCs don’t exist or that only elite nerds would want to play on them.

It just is what it is.

And again different people value different things. So while PC is the best choice for me or Erth or who ever, console is the best choice for someone else. And like many gamers understand, it isn’t a choice of just one or the other.

Personaly next gen I won’t be buying all of the systems. I just don’t use them and don’t enjoy them enough to own all of them. So I am going to make the choice (s) that best fit me.

Oldman talking drunken bollocks again, how surprising.

Currently enjoying some Nes rereleases on 360.

Oh well, let the threatened PC nerds ease their insecurity with long winded internet essays. It is what it is indeed.

OG, I do not call PC gamers elitists. I call assholes with a hardware-based superiority complex like you and Erthazus elitists because thats what you are.

You say you shouldnt stink up the place with your bullshit ‘Im looking down my nose at you right now’ posts. Take your own fucking advice and pipe down. You are making yourself sound more moronic every post you make.

Play what you like where you want, just stop telling us we’re playing the wrong way or on the wrong platform. Your opinion is not fact, but it is winding a lot of people up.

^ sensitive guy is sensitive o_O

You two must be connected at the hip

Right gad, it is my opinion that has created year on year console decline.

Really. How can yet another topic like this turn into a debate about PC/Console wars?

I have a PC, never will/have own a console but I see the need for consoles in the gaming world. Before I could afford a PC, I look back to the days on my SNES/N64 and some of the fucking brilliant games on them.

My only concern as stated at the start of this story, is if a) developers can afford next gen b) can gamers?

I wonder the samething, consolewise Grim. I don’t see it being an issue with Nintendo, but what about Sony and MS systems.

The tech is old and outdated, esp this gen.
Must be Erzadad or erzatwin.

Seriously, the introduction of shaders in early 2000s, completely ignored by ps2, was the turning point for PC graphics.

Let alone the 3d going from Tomb Raider to Half Life in mid 90s.

Daman..sigh. It is old and outdated. The gen is headed into its 8th year. And prolly has another 2 years left before new MS/Sony hardware comes out. Thats dated.

PC gaming is, for me, about more then graphics. Infact, I game on a TV that, 32inchs, only even displays 720P. That is what my PC is connected to. My PC is about 5 years old. I need a replacement soon. I am no where near the level of performance that guys like Erth are. Tech benchmarks aren’t why I play PC games.

It is the kind of games on PC that keep me playing. Diablo III, Tourchlight II, Guild Wars II, Civilization V, World Of Warcraft, Indie games, Rift, Total War, StarCraft, etc. Plus I like Backwards compatability. I like playing mods. I love Steam sales.

Someday I will have a better rig. But when I do, I doubt it will be higher end. Just not what I shop for. Like I said different gamers value different things.

You said especially. That’s the issue.

Both of the prev generations held back PC a lot more, and in worse ways.

“Steve Peterson

All you need to know about the current console generation is contained in one number: 30 percent. That’s the approximate drop in retail sales for consoles and console software this year over last year, the fourth straight year of declines. Publishers are releasing fewer titles, and average sales and prices are dropping. It’s past time for new consoles to revive sales, if indeed sales can be brought back to the glory days of 2008. The console makers hate having to lose money for years selling new consoles at a loss, so they’ve held off. This has allowed mobile, social, and downloadable games, particularly free-to-play ones, to build an impressive audience.

New consoles have their biggest challenge ever: Fighting against a vast array of free-to-play games that, one way or another, are making their way to the same screen that console games have been played on. No genre is immune, as a new generation of FPS and RPG games start combining free-to-play with top-notch graphics. Sony has been letting the camel’s nose into the tent with Dust 514 and all the SOE MMORPGs. Gamers will be looking for free-to-play games on new consoles, and if they aren’t there, that’s a huge reason not to buy a new console.
New consoles are going to need to offer compelling new game experiences (either through innovative controller schemes, like the Wii U, or through hugely better graphics) that simply can’t be found elsewhere. Additionally, new consoles will probably need to offer an array of entertainment options in order to justify their price tags, and console makers will have to keep prices of the hardware low to create a big enough audience to justify exclusive development. I think most third-party publishers will hesitate to put the majority of their development resources into next-gen consoles; EA and Activision have already shown this. The longer we wait for new consoles, the lower their chances for long-term success as their competition on many fronts continues to rush forward at full speed.”

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-07-19-roundtable-is-the-console-cycle-really-too-long

Steve Peterson has been in the game business for 30 years now as a designer (co-designer of the Champions RPG among others), a marketer (for various software companies) and a lecturer. Follow him on Twitter @20thLevel

These guys are far more educated on the industry then I am. But if you guys think I am responable for changing peoples perception and influencing anything, you need to read that article.

I used to be extremly console focused.

I agree with your last post Daman, consoles has almost always held PC games back techwise. I think the difference here is that this gen is so long. For me the issues isn’t just a graphics one, but we have games now hitting their 4th and 5th release for this hardware cycle. I think CoD is on their 7th?

That creates a stagnet game market. New tech often shakes IPs up, offering new ways to do thing. New ideas, new tools, new experiences. And that is a good thing for games. PC or otherwise.

If #65 was directed at my response,

I probably have trouble following you @vg247 though. First you go on about graphics, then say esp this gen, but then it turns out you were going somewhere else.

But anyway. I don’t think most have to read that article to know some no shit sherlock suggestions.

Your mixing me up with Erth. I am not a big graphics guy. I like the shiny true, who doesn’t. But my motivation for PC gaming isn’t a graphical one.

The article was to point out(mostly to Mr Gad) that while he reads my posts, I am certianly not the only one feeling the way I do. GamesIndustrybiz did a whole article tackling subjects related to this debate. And using industry insiders, they asked each to give their take.

The fact that many of them are saying the same types of things I have been saying, I felt was a good point to bring in. I mean, there is no right or wrong. We disagree over toys, esentialy. It isn’t a big deal nor is it a reason to name call, finger point or otherwise treat each other like shit.

@68 I say, good show!

Go create a forum thread to spread your master race propaganda and do your stupid trolling.

You are boring and worse, you are preventing the article subject from being discussed.

GO. AWAY.

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@OG
On the whole how ever are devs going to cope with the extra costs of developing on next gen consoles … How have they been managing with high end PC specs all this time? Just fine strangely. What ever goes into the NextBox or PS4 it’s not going to be any more powerful than top end PCs of a few years ago.

See what happens when you leave the soft loving glow of the Xbot collective OG?

lol at Oribt, I feel so cold.

I wondered the samething Doc. Infact not just about next gen, but for this gen. Alot of publishers stock in the tank right now. Not just console side either.

I just hope if next-gen consoles fully embrace games based on ftp, they should also discourage pubs from looting the customers.Hope these ftp games can also include a option where you can play them indefinitely for 60$ or less with decent armor/health/anything else required and higher quality items can be earned in game and are not cash exclusive.

Wow….. I cannot believe anyone would be calling Oldergamer a PC elitist, OG seems to be one of the most well rounded gamers on here. He loved Nintendo and says he doesnt care about graphics, but loves PC so all of a sudden he is a PC fanboy?

What he said about a new console being released is completely right. Until a new machine is released with a major update in graphics, no one really knows what they are missing. He used Saturn as an example and its so true, I thought my Saturn and PS1 was great till I played Quake using my 3DFX card and then couldnt go back to it and feel the same.

We have hit the same point with current consoles, if you have the PC and GPU, a game like Batman:Arkham city looks just amazing on PC, and still looks good on console, but the PC just wows. Does that make the Xbox or PS3 version less fun, no it doesnt, but after seeing games on highest settings its hard to go back. I prefer gaming on a console over a PC, and Im no PC fanboy.