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E3 2012: VG247 staff video chat on Nintendo and day two

Wednesday, 6th June 2012 10:22 GMT By Staff

Two down. Head in to see VG247′s Pat Garratt, Brenna Hillier and Johnny Cullen talking through E3′s second day and the Nintendo Wii U software showing.

Here’s the chat from day one. Warning: we say “fuck” a bit. Read Johnny Minkley’s assessment of the Nintendo conference here.

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  1. G1GAHURTZ

    LOL!

    Interesting chat.

    1. Either Brenna is very, very tiny, or her cat is clinically obese.

    2. Johnny claps like a seal.

    Nice!

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Patrick Garratt

    That cat’s enormous.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Johnny Cullen

    Arf arf!

    #3 2 years ago
  4. G1GAHURTZ

    Haha!

    You made me lol, Johnny.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. absolutezero

    If Nintendo is a casual video game creator surely Activision would be right in there because CoD is the largest do everything for everyone title in the World.

    I think the main problem with E3 as a whole was an alarming lack of new, interesting games.

    Its not a games show anymore. Its fucking terrible.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Deacon

    Loving all the coverage guys! Brenna is a wee hottie!

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Gekidami

    Wheres Stephany?

    #7 2 years ago
  8. absolutezero

    I’ve just realised that along with chest high walls and gritty realism the bow seems to have become the weapon of choice aswell. It was in everything.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Patrick Garratt

    @8 – Apparently the bow thing’s to do with The Hunger Games.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. Patrick Garratt

    @7 – She’s on US time. We record this in the morning EU time. She doesn’t start until 2pm our time.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. OlderGamer

    Take a look around the web for a few. Not at the core game website, but the more main stream scources. And you get stuff like this:

    http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/nintendo-reveals-extensive-wii-u-game-lineup-193055585.html

    Why does that matter?

    Because a lot more people will likely read that then come to a site like this for indepth info. Don’t get me wrong, this is where I want to be. Great site. However there is a massive amount average, everyday(potential Nintendo) gamers that will get their E3 impressions from outlets like the one in the link.

    Hard to say what will happen when WiiU launches. I think it depends on price and launch games. If the system retails for 250usd(w/a pack in), it could be huge. If it retails for near 400usd, with or without a pack in, thats going to be a hard sell.

    But I think a lot of people are doing the wrong thing. You shouldn’t be asking yourself if Nintendo is for the core. Instead you should be understanding that the core doesn’t mean today what it used to mean 10years ago. In your little slice of the world, the indurty revolves around core games. But in reality the industry doesn’t work like that.

    Unless the next gen prices are too high(and they very well could be), I expect the market to continue to grow and expand past traditional core games in the coming years. Strong mobile growth. Strong PC growth. And a lot of focus on so called casual games, smaller downloadable games, Kinect games, and yes Nintendo games(WiiU and 3DS).

    I also think core gamers tend to undervalue unique gameplay experiences. Most core gamers are very happy with the tried and tested gameplay mechanics. And in fact are happy to play the same games with slight tweaks each year. I know it is ironic cause we are in a Nintendo thread, and Nintendos backbone are its franchises. However Nintendo doesn’t put out yearly franchise updates.

    Most core gamers are happy with simply more DLC for their fav OMP Shooter. Even near yearly and yearly releases of said games. Where as your nondedicated game buyer would wonder what is new, and why he/she should buy a new one if they already have one. And for more then just shooters. What makes forza 5 worthy to purchase if I already own Forza 4? Why buy EA Sports 2013 when I have an EA Sports 2011? Yet another NFS game? Many core gamers don’t see a problem with this. But a growing % of the market does.

    (Edit, I also have to say that there is a silly notion that “casual” gamers don’t enjoy the same types of games and Core gamers. I think they do. I think the major difference is the volume and level at which the two dedicate themself to playing. Maybe a person only has 4 hours a week to play a game, does that mean they should have to play Mario Kart over NFS? Or shouldn’t be interested in CoD? The word casual doesn’t mean Bad/Poor/or unwanted. It means, in my mind, less dedicated. The word doesn’t speak to game tatses but instead game devotion/simple time to play. That is why lite, smaller, easy to pick up and play games sell so well in those demographics. A casual gamer has time for something lite and simple to enjoy. But not always having time to sink into a complex game. It doesn’t, however, mean that said casual gamer doesn’t alos enjoy a round of halo or a game of Fifa.)

    Nintendo doesn’t put games with such sameness so close together. Sure they have a New Super mario Bro U coming out, but how many years ago was New Super Mario Bro Wii? What makes U different from Wii? The multiplayer second screen stuff. See what I mean? What makes Gears 4 different from Gears 3? And look how close together those releases are going to be.

    At some basic level core gamers need to open their eyes and take a look around. Things are changing, have been for awhile. Its a brave new world. The focus is not on tech it is on game experiences. Look at Vita as another example, killer hardware – but too expensive and not enough games with mass appeal. And it sits there. Sony and MS better take notice. If their next gen systems clock in for 600usd+, have 80usd games, and the lines ups are a list of yearly sequels and franchises, they could be in the same situation as Vita.

    In the end it comes down to games, with a heavy focus on price. And the game industry is a lot larger then just the traditional core market.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. AHA-Lambda

    Good discussion guys, wish more games journalist would be this cutthroat and honest more often actually O_o

    #12 2 years ago
  13. G1GAHURTZ

    What makes Gears 4 different from Gears 3?

    Wow, have you played it?

    Please tell us exactly how similar they are…

    #13 2 years ago
  14. DrDamn

    @OG
    “What makes forza 5 worthy to purchase if I already own Forza 4?”

    You ought to read up on these things OG. Here’s a hint – the answer is “A lot”.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. OlderGamer

    @G1GA and Doc, I think your missing my point.

    If a non dedicated gamer is looking at either of those franchises, what makes one purchase worthy over another? IE: why buy Forza 5 if Forza 4 is cheaper/used. Why buy Gears 4 if I already own 3.

    If I personaly have a franchise that I enjoy, like Civilization, I will buy just about everything for it. Like G1GA and CoD. Like most core gamers. What I was saying is that the market has been slowly shifting away from core gamers. To a more casual market where those gamers don’t feel compeled to buy and rebuy rehashed game experiences.

    Just think about at it. Core gameplay mechanics, what changes in a game like Gears? Nothing to compele a gamer that buys four games a year to buy Gears 4, esp if she/he already owns Gears 1,2, or 3.

    And I think price is a huge factor. That said gamer doesn’t buy only four games because it is a perfect number of gaming zen and balance. They buy three or four or five, because of the price of the games aren’t worth the value that said person will get from the purchase. Again we are talking nondedicated gamer. Value is a big deal. That is why games like Halo and CoD do so well. Even w/o the dlc, you can sink alot of hours into a game like that. But it comes down to price.

    And in most cases the casual player will be just as happy buying an older version of gears for far less cash. And once that player has one, they won’t be very likly to feel the need to buy another one.

    Going forward into a new gen, price is going to be huge.

    It is very hard to justify yearly updates for franchise games. Its why, imo, year on year software sales are down. Oversaturation. It is a rut that the core market has been in for awhile now.

    “Please tell us exactly how similar they are…”

    Really?

    “You ought to read up on these things OG.”

    I have.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. DrDamn

    Forza Horizons is a completely different approach, open world with off-road racing. Forza 4 is a track based circuit racer. But you knew that right?

    I get what your saying – and both agree and disagree – but with this particular Forza it’s a rubbish example to use.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. G1GAHURTZ

    If a non dedicated gamer is looking at either of those franchises, what makes one purchase worthy over another? IE: why buy Forza 5 if Forza 4 is cheaper/used. Why buy Gears 4 if I already own 3.

    Why should a non-dedicated gamer buy NSMBWU if they already own NWMBW?

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Ireland Michael

    @15 But O.G., casual gamers don’t matter! Because they’re not casual gamers!

    #18 2 years ago
  19. OlderGamer

    Yes and no Doc. When I read about it, it looked like a cross between Dirt and Test drive. And unless it is marketed right(a demo is gonna be huge) my point stands. Because the surface gamer isn’t going to see that difference.

    Look at Dirt Showdown. I really like that game. I wasn’t a fan of the past dirt games, they were too hard for me, and took themself too seriously. But after the demo on steam(and I almost didn’t download it, figuring i knew what to expect already), I enjoyed the game. Now I am just waiting for the price to come down before I buy it.

    Maybe Forza was a bad example. But I think it drives home my point well, in that the casual gamer won’t see a difference. If the game were made by the same people yet had a different name. Was a different game. or just a different franchise, I think it would get noticed more I think. Just like Dirt, if codies had renamed it, instead of trying to ride the franchise brand, I think that would have been a better move.

    I could lay out the intracite and suttle differences between every Civ game, even in the expansions for each one. Hell the updates and patches. But the surface level gamer will just see the name Civ. And think, “oh a Civ game”.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. OlderGamer

    Because G1GA, they didn’t just buy one last year.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. DrDamn

    @19
    So why doesn’t that apply at least in some respects to Nintendo too? I understand there is a difference in timing, fewer releases. G1GA’s example NSMBW and NSMBWU and also NSMB2 on 3DS. Why don’t these surface level gamers just think it’s the same game with maybe a few control differences? Or examples where they do release more than one title in a series on a single piece of hardware Wii Fit and Wii Fit 2?

    My point is not that your sentiment or main point is wrong, more that it’s not a Nintendo thing and shouldn’t be made out as such. It’s a gaming thing. You can find good and bad examples from Nintendo and good and bad examples from other developers.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. G1GAHURTZ

    @20:

    Who told you that?

    Maybe they did. Being casuals and all, they’re not likely to camp outside the store at a midnight opening.

    Anyway, you still have to tell us all the similarities between Gears 3 & 4.

    Besides your own unfounded assumptions, that is…

    #22 2 years ago
  23. OlderGamer

    I think that Nintendo faces the same challange that everyone else does. In terms of keeping the experiences fresh. And I also think that price point and “more just like Wii” could hurt them at launch. Time will tell. I am not so much praising Nintendo, as pointing out that the majority of reasons core gamers bash it don’t matter to anyone that isn’t a core gamer.

    That is what my link was about. A main stream media outlets showering Nintendos E3 with goodness. Most people interested in the system don’t care if it has CoD on it or not. That, for example, is a hard pill to swallow for most of us on a site like this.

    But it is the truth.

    I think the traditional core market is giving way to a broader more casual one. I think Nintendo caught on to that at the right time with wii. WiiU I think will be a tougher sell. But I think the industry can do a lot to change the direction it is headed.

    I think high priced tech filled systems are a bad idea. I think DLC hurts gaming. I think dev costs are too high. I think games cost too much. I think franchise over saturation is a real problem. I think there is too much marketing influence in the games indurty. I think metacritic is bought and manipulated.

    And I think that other then playing on PC, Nintendo is a nice and refreshing break from so much of the stuff I dislike about todays games. I think a lot of people feel that way. I think alot of Nintendo stuff gets a bad rap. That is why I plant my feet and post what I post.

    G1GA, really i am not going to get into Gears with ya. Besides no one has played the fourth ones yet to know the differences. But it seems to me, that there could well be the similar difference between the gameplay in Gears 2, 3 and 4 and there was between PacMan and Ms.Pacman. And yes, the same could be said about a lot of games.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. ManuOtaku

    #22 If one goes by this, Number 2 was the same as number one, and heres a shocking one, number 3 was also the same as number 2, hey what a crazy idea number 4 will be the same as number 3, if i was a beting man i will be rich on that prediction alone, or not because there will be a lot of bets, you know for the sure bet thing.

    P.S i do love gears by the way, so i hope they keep doing the same but better.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. manamana

    Patrick is spot on. Nintendo implied long enough to cater some of the core gamers with the new console and yet, they have shown nothing new in that regard. ME3 or Batman won’t cut it and is intended for those folks, who haven’t already played it on the HD consoles and therefore casuals. No exclusive “mature” game, despite the Zombie trailer, but nothing at hand. I was very interested in the WiiU and now not so much anymore. I mean come on, its a brand new console, they got to show more than nintendoland, to win core gamers over, don’t they?

    #25 2 years ago
  26. DrDamn

    @23
    BBC Coverage was fairly balanced, not showering with goodness by any means.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18334462

    I think Nintendo’s problem with WiiU will be confusion as to what it offers – as it doesn’t seem to be exactly clear on that point itself. I think there may be a limit to how long they can continue to reintroduce game franchises too. Wii came off the back of the N64 and GC which were not such big successes. So there was more of a gap there for some and for others this was their first experience of these titles.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. G1GAHURTZ

    G1GA, really i am not going to get into Gears with ya. Besides no one has played the fourth ones yet to know the differences.

    Exactly!

    So stop using it as an example and acting like you do!

    #27 2 years ago
  28. OlderGamer

    I wonder the samething Doc.

    #28 2 years ago
  29. OlderGamer

    How much of a difference do you think there will be G1GA?

    How much a difference was there between any of the other three releases? Horde Mode was a nice addition. But what else? Anything else? Where are those differences?

    I think it is pretty safe to assume we already know what to expect from a gears game. And my issue with it, wasn’t that one version doesn’t do much different from another, it was more of why do we need one so soon after the last one? Does gears need to be a yearly franchise release?

    It is all part of the oversaturation theme that I was talking about.

    #29 2 years ago
  30. G1GAHURTZ

    Assume, assume, assume…

    That’s where you’re going wrong.

    You don’t know what’s the same or different in the game, so you were blatantly wrong to start saying that the same old game is coming out a year after the first one.

    In any case. Since when did you become the judge of when a title needs a new version?

    I think it’s well established now that people (in their tens of millions) are more than willing to buy a new version a year after release. So then how can you come along and tell these people that they’re wrong?

    And where did you’re special threshold of two or more years come from? Some people want sequels right after they finish the first game, so you’re not really in a position to tell anyone that they don’t know what they want, and that they should actually prefer to wait for years instead.

    At the end of the day, if you don’t like the game, don’t buy it.

    If there were 100 Gears of Wars on the market, I’m sure it wouldn’t stop you enjoying your game of Civ, would it?

    #30 2 years ago
  31. SplatteredHouse

    Along the point of the Nintendo core support, Reggie was on Spike TV after the presentation, and he brought out the old “launch window” routine again to answer a question about when we might expect to play the featured games. My eyes were a-rolling. With Nintendo, particularly in Europe, that’ll mean you can expect to play that stuff goodness-knows-when. They’re making their bed.

    #31 2 years ago
  32. OlderGamer

    G1GA, your starting to piss me off.

    First, a deep breath, now:

    Wasn’t it you that was judging the Nintendo conference before it even happend? Yes, because I called you on it.

    You asked me to lay out the differences between gears 3 and gears 4.

    I responded: “Besides no one has played the fourth ones yet to know the differences.”

    The answer is classes. Like in Cod, BF, Halo Reach, and lots of other games before it. But Classes will be the distinquishable difference between between Gears3 and Gears 4. The gameplay mechanics will likly be the same. But the foucs on classes could/should help offer new scenerios. Prolly more so in an online enviroment then a offline one. It is a nice touch.

    Now the part of your last post that actualy bothers me:

    You:
    “In any case. Since when did you become the judge of when a title needs a new version?”

    When did I claim I was? Scince when does stating an opinion equal assuming judge and jury of anything?

    You:
    ” think it’s well established now that people (in their tens of millions) are more than willing to buy a new version a year after release. So then how can you come along and tell these people that they’re wrong?”

    Yes, many game franchises sell year after year on new versions. Yet year on year sales have been in decline across the board. Oversaturating the market is not a good thing, imo. Tony Hawk, Band Games, and many more are great examples.

    I never said that people that enjoy, say a CoD game, each year are Wrong. But let me ask you this, lets turn the tables here. How can you say the franchises you enjoy are ok to do updates(even yearly ones), yet claim that Nintendo does its fans an injustice because .. say NSMBWU is too much like NSMBW? You even went on to say a few days ago that you felt most of the nintendo games with in the same franchises played too much the same. And yet you eat up CoD.

    You:
    “And where did you’re special threshold of two or more years come from?”

    You mean why do I think franchises should wait a couple of years between release(at least)? Again man, look at games like Guitar Hero. Not every franchise can survive yearly releases.

    You:
    “Some people want sequels right after they finish the first game…”

    Of course some people do. Of course some people don’t, wouldn’t you agree?

    You:
    “so you’re not really in a position to tell anyone that they don’t know what they want, and that they should actually prefer to wait for years instead.”

    I never claim to be in a position of anything. And never claimed to tell anyone anything. I did, however state my opinion. That is allowed right? I even used the time honored words, “I think” to signify, well…what I thought. If either of us is telling the other what they should or shouldn’t be thinking, it isn’t me.

    Incase you missed it, I think(my opinion is) that when franchise releases come out too closly together there is a risk that the market becomes oversaturated and it can devalue the brand. In the case of, well a lot of games, I used GH(band games) as an example.

    You:
    “At the end of the day, if you don’t like the game, don’t buy it.”

    Sound advice. I say live and let live.

    You:
    “If there were 100 Gears of Wars on the market, I’m sure it wouldn’t stop you enjoying your game of Civ, would it?”

    Not any more then Nintendo putting out another Mario themed game should stop you from enjoying gears or CoD. But you sure have been taking exception to Nintendo threads recently. While writting this post, I have gone back over threads for the past few days and found some funny posts from you:

    #2
    G1GAHURTZ
    04/06/12, 9:38 am
    Wii U is a fad.

    #50
    G1GAHURTZ
    04/06/12, 12:17 pm

    You are right. The Wii was certainly successful with soccer moms and other people who only ever bought one game.

    and my fav:

    #24
    G1GAHURTZ
    04/06/12, 11:40 am
    Nintendo are a cheap plastic accessory manufaturer.

    You sure have gone out of your way to hit the Nintendo threads over the past few days.

    Really G1GA, I am disapointed.

    This ends here, respond if you want, don’t if you don’t feel like it. But I am done. I am not going to turn this into some stupid forum war. I have been in enough of those, and we have all seen enough of those to know that no ones enjoys them. I know I don’t like em. And for what? So one person can claim to have a cooler toy?

    #32 2 years ago
  33. fearmonkey

    Except for Nintendo, this E3 felt like the 2004 E3 to me, where they held back for the next year.

    it’s cool to see you guys all together having a chat :)

    #33 2 years ago
  34. G1GAHURTZ

    1. Get it right. You’re just frustrated because I’m not buying your pointless waffle. That’s what’s actually “p***ing you off”.

    2. “The answer is classes“.

    Wrong.

    That’s one difference. What’s wrong with you? When are you going to figure this out? You haven’t played the game… You haven’t seen a review… You don’t have a clue about the SP… You know NOTHING about this game other than the little crumbs of info we’ve seen over the last few days.

    You’re assuming and jumping to conclusions to suit your ridiculous agenda.

    3. “Year on year sales have been in decline across the board

    Do you even know what that means??

    It means that ALL games are selling fewer copies. Sequels, new IPs, everything. There is a recession that is affecting every single major gaming territory in the world.

    Even so, MW3 was STILL the biggest entertainment release of all time, and there are STILL 20 million people playing CoD every month! So there are more people playing an anually released game now (7th CoD in 7 years!) than there were at this stage last year, and the year before, and the year before…

    The fact that some other random games are selling less means nothing to the basic principle that gamers want more good games.

    4. You really did completely miss the point, and I can see that I have to spell things out for you.

    There’s nothing wrong with a sequel being similar to it’s predecessor if that’s what gamers want. Yes, core games do that. So do Nintendo!!!

    You ran on to some comment section whinging about same old stuff, blah, blah, blah… Some long winded post about how bad this is for gaming. Then when I simply point out to you that Nintendo does exactly the same thing, you turn hypocrite.

    ‘Oh, it’s ok for Nintendo to do it, because they only do it once every generation… Oh, but Nintendo games are all very different and not the same at all… Oh, but Nintendo are different, because they have a different controller…’

    Basically, what I’ve done is expose your bias and your incredibly flawed argument.

    There is NO difference between Nintendo sucking a franchise dry (which you defend), and anyone else.(which you criticise with buckets of hypocrisy).

    I’ve told you that, and so have many other people, but you refuse to accept it because you’re being a hypocrite.

    I admit that other companies run franchises into the ground.

    So what? Why should I care. As far as I’m concerned, some other dev will step in and offer something better until they fall into the same mistakes, and someone else replaces them.

    Such is the nature of the games industry and greed in general.

    5. Go to google and look up the phrase ‘tongue in cheek’.

    Anyone with a brain can see that phrases like “The Wii U is a fad” is obviously based on the 6-7 year old claim that the Wii was a fad. If anything, I was actually mocking the people who dismissed the Wii from day one and showing that Nintendo had been successful.

    But either you have an agenda, or there’s something wrong with you if you can’t see obvious things like that.

    6. Don’t make claims that you can’t keep.

    #34 2 years ago
  35. OrbitMonkey

    It’s always a bit handbags at dawn after a E3… *grabs popcorn*

    #35 2 years ago
  36. Gadzooks!

    OG missed the bits about the new Gears taking a less scripted, wider battle field approach in his panic googling of Gears info.

    Must have had the red mist on at that point I guess. ;)

    #36 2 years ago

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