Miyamoto: Vita needs more games for true success

Come on Gekidami, all we want to do is gaming. Thats at least my take on it. And yes, maybe they had the biggest launchlineup since evarr including all those games like Plants vs. Zombies (superb iPad game btw.) & Co. But from a certain point of view, Erthazus is right: aint nothing to play out there. If you know what I mean with “nothing”.

There are certainly games missing and they will certainly arrive. But its not as if everybody talks about how much they are gaming on the Vita. Or developers throwing their heart at it. Lets be fair, nobody hates “your” Sony product and it definitely has nothing to do with “nintendogs” like this Dragon guy isnt tired of throwing in all the time.

E3 will show and I bet Sony will put huge efforts into promoting its Vita. Hopefully that is.

Yes, i’m so delusional Gekidami and you are not. Go play Call of Duty and think that it is not a Rip Off of other masterpieces with ugly 1999 year Id Tech 3 engine.

I’m a gamer and i saw all the launch line up. It is not That impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Vita_games

this is the list of all Playstation Vita announced Games (Not every one of them is released)

Nothing Impressive. Absolutely Nothing. So you call me delusional because well, I and other Gamers on the Planet earth don’t like their games? Their games are poor and only for DieHard Sony fans. I repeat myself third time already because your brain can’t accept the fact that NOT EVERYONE LIKES STUPID CASUAL RIP OFF’s that Sony does.
Wipeout and Uncharted was probably the only games that were OK.

Do.You.Understand.Me? Or not? If not, then GTFO and worship your Sony alone in the dark basement with Nathan Drake figure. Don’t forget to look at the http://www.Morningstar.com and cry me a river.

Launch Lineup for PS Vita Games are not that impressive at all, especially when there are some amazing stuff for iOS, 3DS.

@51
What do you mean by “nothing”? If you feel like you have ‘nothing’ to play, maybe you should have gotten Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention last month, or Frobisher Says! & MK last week, or wait for Resistance at the end of the month before you get Gravity Daze & Silent Hill: Book of Memories. Or maybe you should check out more of the 30-odd games that came out round launch.

If by “nothing” you mean ‘nothing you like’, well i’m sorry but developers dont sit around a table and ask what manamana really wants to play on Vita. To quote Cenk Uygur: “Its a sad day for you”. Doesnt give you the right to ignore facts and say Vita has no games at all.

Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention – Port from the PS3 (2008 game. Wow, cool a 2008 game) with additional content and it’s not really a good Tactical RPG.

Frobisher Says! – what?

Mortal Kombat – Port from PS3 and Xbox 360 with touch screen stupid mini games. Bravo.

Resistance:BS – looks like crap and Resistance games are mediocre series and everyone know that.

Gravity Daze – the only game and the last one i’m looking for. It’s good, i hope so. One Game. Cool.

Silent Hill: Book of Memories – Another port and current gen SH games suck even on consoles.

So impressive Geki. No one wants that except for DieHard Sony fans. Nothing to play. I won’t spend my time on these shitty games when Diablo III or Max Payne 3 comes out.

It’s not worth of my time but you still don’t get it do you?

Erthazus beat me with the post, but the names you listed are, dispite from Disgaea3, what I usually call “nothing”. Silent Hill isnt even a *real* SH. Its a Co-Op somewhat but no real horror game. So there you go – happy games for you, nothingbfor me.

Edit: well MK is a *real* game, sadly not my cup of tea.

Well in that case “Its a sad day for you”. Maybe if you send Sony your pictures, they’ll stick them on their walls and think about you whilst they make games. After all, you two are the most important people in the universe, and your opinions are absolute. Because apparently, if you dont like something, its as good as it not existing.

Get lost you Sonytittsucker!

No Geki, you are just Delusional Sony fanboy and that’s it. Go see a doctor or something.

And you’re just a soullless idiot, and that’s it… ‘Erza’

And you are just mad Xbox, Halo TardMan and fanboy.

Go better tell everyone that you can’t mute players in Steam. Maybe you will feel better.

Thank you for proving my point, again

Having a great weekend I see…. Medvedev is a mediocre president. Oh wait, it’s Putin now.. again.

it’s like talking with a bot. Oh well, at least your posts make PC nerds happy, daily.

Me no speaky Engrish. Me sentence structure no.

I think we need to chill here guys. This hobby we all share is playing great games. So in the spirit of gaming can’t we just accept that other people have opinion that we don’t share or that we are just plain wrong? Let it go my friends, let it go…

You guys are funny.

It’s always the same few bickering too. I didn’t even have to guess the names before entering the thread.

Man, I remember when that used to be me. Hahaha.

Crazy. For all of the “facts” flying around. I would like to ask Gek and Dragon if they care to explain why Vita Sales have stalled?

According to your point of view, this thing should top of the charts. Why isn’t it?

Let me help you: not enough people are compeled to buy one.

That boils down to two reasons:

(ready?)

Lack of games that people want to own/play

and

a price point people are unwilling to pay.

Argue that for a bit.

You tell everyone about the amazing games line up, can you explain why the sales are low?

I have said it before, the system is impresive in its features and hardware. But the games line up is weak right now. And the price is too high. When that changes, it should be able to move more units.

I myself, am waiting for E3 to see which handheld I wanna go with. The only reason i don’t already own a 3DS is because of how impressive looking the Vita hardware is. I am giving it the benifit of the doubt, for now. But it really comes down to games. I don’t want a traveling PS3. I don’t want a PS3/console experience on the go. That seems to be very much Sonys goal. I am gonna wait a bit and see what E3 has in show.

Oh and Dragon, while you might not own multi systems, i am betting that most of us on a site like this do. For example, I own a Wii, xb360, PS3, PSP, DS, and PC. And that is just the systems with currently made games. I also own almost everything dating back to Pong(even the off stuff like Atari Jag and CD, NEO GEO, 3DO, Turbo Duo, etc). I am not a dedicated collecter, but I am a dedicated gamer, we own hardware and games. And not just stuff from one publisher. I will be owning everything with games I want to play(that I can afford, the last few years have been tougher for me).

^ Nope. I never said that the games were so amazing the console was flying off shelves, i made three points (if you bothered to read my comments, rather than make shit up):

1. The console is new and games are coming.

2. The console had a strong launch lineup compared to others.

3. It has games and there are more releasing.

Conclusion: Saying it has “no games” is unfair.

Maybe you should balance all of that typing you do with a bit of reading.

As for price, like i already said; Dont expect a price drop any time soon, because unlike Nintendo, Sony arent selling the Vita at a criminally off-kilter production cost to retail price ratio. People love cheaper stuff, and they’re hesitant to get new things unless they’re dirt cheap. Right now the best selling portable in Japan isnt the 3DS, its the PSP, and 3DS sales were on a stand still too, in till Nintendo dropped it by nearly 50%.

Oh and, just get a 3DS. You dont need to dick around, we already know where you’re going to go.

who gives a fuck stop arguing stupid nerds

@67 This is a gaming news site. The term nerd is slighty redundant here.

hehehe

This is a gaming news site. The term nerd is slighty redundant here.
That’s like saying anyone who likes to play CoD is a CoD fanboy..

@70 Except that one is an insult and the other is not.

Do you get defensive when the air breaths, dude? Chill the fuck out. You’ll live longer.

@66

Why are you defending Sony so much?! They really need to sort this situation out, it’s like they don’t even understand how the mobile gaming space works…

As I’ve said before, they seem so paranoid about piracy, they have forgot to get any games signed up for the system. It’s stuck between a rock and a hard place. All the big hitters are going to go to the 3ds first because it’s so much cheaper to produce games for it.

I don’t think you’ll see things like Resident Evil and Kingdom Hearts for a very long time and this is where Sony needs to decide what this device is actually intended for. If its for triple AAA console quality games then they should have been more prepared, especially seeing how much of a beating Nintendo took at first.

You seem to think I’m a Nintendo fanboy, I’m just a fan of technology and all gaming systems in general.

I just don’t mind admitting when I can see a company fuck up and screw it’s customers over. A lot of features have been purposefully delayed with the Vita in a bid to keep people upgrading firmware as an anti piracy measure.

I refused to keep a product where the company was more worried about piracy than providing more gaming experiences.

@65,
You twisted what I said. I never said more games are not welcome, they definitely are.Its just that some people here are unjustifiably bashing vita for not having games ( it certainly has games, its more like the game they want ) while its out for only 2 months. It has the best software lineup for any console (especially handheld) in first 2 months. Early adopters always risk being put in this position and it happens with almost every console launch. As Geki said , saying no games is completely biased and unfair.
Ps vita costs more than 3ds because its costlier to make. Instead of forcing sony to take a loss, people should ask ninty why it was overpricing 3ds so much.
Also comparing 3ds and vita lineup for now is a bit unfair because of the 1 year headstart 3ds had. Still as I said earlier vita has 9 games with 80+ metacritic score in just 2 months whereas 3ds has just 14 in 1 and half years. That shows that vita has great software irrespective of what others say.
@Oldergamer, I have psp, vita, ps3 and xbox360 and pc. I was referring that most of the people in real world (not a virtual one)have only one console.
I would like to see where this discussion will head 6 months from now.

@72 So basically it’s in the exact same position as the 3DS when it launched?

This happens at the launch of almost every format. It sells tonnes at launch, then there’s little activity for the first few months until some big hitter titles are released, and then it starts to build solid momentum and a large userbase, encouraging more development.

It also takes time for the really good titles to come out. The freakin’ thing has only just launched for crying out loud. The moment a Monster Hunter title is released for this in Japan, the sales for this thing will go through the roof.

Christ, people have such short attention spans some times.

#71 – Neither is an insult. It’s a matter of perspective, ‘dude’.

I have no idea what made you think I was getting defensive btw.

@74

I don’t recall people hacking the 3ds and enabling features on it which should have been available at launch?

Of course things take a while to pick up steam, but Sony can’t really afford to hang around at the moment. Especially at the moment in an extremely volitile handhold console space.

From my perspective, if I could have used remote play, downloaded my psp games for free, played all ps1 games and had a few ps2 re releases playable, this small drought wouldnt have bothered me.

These features are all working, it’s just Sony want to drip feed them to the market which I think is bullshit.

Hence my decision to sell before a price cut.

@72
Why do you feel the need to bash Sony so much? It wouldnt be so bad if you had valid points, but people are saying the games that are there “dont count” because they personally dont like them, and they’re complaining because a system that only just came out doesnt have as many games as ones thats been out for a year and a half, and you’re throwing in some batshit crazy conspiracy theory about hacker, or whatever. Its retarded, this is either trolling or you’re all little crybabies jumping up and down because you cant have everything now.

You guys, this is what you are doing. Be aware of it: http://erininjuba.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/someone-is-wrong-on-the-internet.png?w=272&h=300

@79

Yep! but I’m at work so at least I’m getting paid to disagree with someone!

Jesus it’s like who has the bigger knob in here…… If you like the Vita and it’s games stick with that, if you like the 3DS and it’s lineup then you know what to do…. Better still, own both of them? Of course people are going to have a preference, I personally chose the 3DS as I believe that there really isn’t any beating Nintendo when it comes to handheld consoles (My opinion, and I couldn’t give a fuck if anyone objects). I’ve owned a Nokia N-Gage and I know from this that no matter what technology you pack into a handheld – it’s the software that will make or break it and, currently Nintendo seem to have cleverly published some big names for the 3DS that in time, Sony will start doing I’m sure it takes more time to make a Vita game anyway.

Perhaps the only problem I would throw Sony’s way is their lack of foresight when it comes to the power of a handheld, the PSP was a powerful machine but it couldn’t topple the DS come the end, I can’t help that again, where they have concentrated on graphical output this could be the Vita’s greatest hurdle. Sometimes it pays just to keep it simple.

Looks like everyone is taking a sunday break. Enjoy it.

Handheld consoles should just die…. The mobile/iOS gaming is really proving to be fun, affordable and more fitting to play on the way than fully designed, yet watered down games. If I wanted to play Mortal Kombat, I’ll play it on my console where the graphics are good and I can see a lot on my 32 inch TV.

I don’t see myself playing a BioShock or any hardcore thing on a portable device , simply because it ain’t hardcore.

So it needs to die…

^ What are you talking about? Handheld consoles need to live as long as it gets! The bigger the displays and graphics, the better. No, they are here to stay. But it could be that, in the not so distant future , its not so clear what ia handheld gaming console or a portable multimedia device is. Its not as black & white as some people think, imo.

@83: As harsh as it sounds i have to agree with Ali here. Never bought a PSP, DS or whatever. Just don’t see any point in portable gaming at all. Not even in mobile gaming to be honest. But mobile gaming makes sense. It’s cheaper and the games just get better and better. I just can’t fully enjoy a game when i’m not at home or at a friends home.

Bought the HD Collection of MGS just for Peace Walker and i’m very pissed about the pacing of this game. Everything’s cut so you can play through a mission in 5 min. That just doesn’t work when you’re playing it on a home console.

I admit i played a lot of DS games on my PC through an emulator and those games were fun. I just can’t imagine enjoying them more on a handheld. Not a chance.

Game devs should just sit down and develop these little games for PSN/XBL instead.

Somewhat dishonest to imply that Miyamoto’s comment on the Vita links to his (earlier, in the interview) comment about the troubled 3DS launch. The two comments were not related as part of a single thread of discussion, though you’d be hard pressed to realise that from the way VG247 presents it.

Basically what you’ve done there is taken the tiny sliver of non-answer provided by the Edge interview, run it through a thesaurus and picked a far more sensational and misleading way to paraphrase what was actually said. This is why games journalists are not real journalists.

@83,85:

i played super stardust and earned trophies lying under a tree in a park yesterday!

i played ocarina of time and mario kart in a hotel room after a long day at a boring conference weekend lateley – this stuff saved me!

what are u talking about?

LONG LIVES THE HANDHELD!

Handhelds should stay and they WILL stay until core gamers like people here carve for good engrossing gameplay on the go which mobiles cant provide yet. Although I feel its almost certain that next generation handhelds will definitely have call and smartphone facilities , but they must still have gaming as their main function otherwise they will lose their main customers.
LONG LIVE PLAY!

maybe old news but i heard of it just today: wipeout HD/ Fury is on it´s way to vita as a DLC pack for 2048! it will be free for everyone who already owns the ps3 version….this is awesome news since i totally prefer HD/ Fury over 2048. i just started to replay it on the ps3 recently but wont continue it now. wanna play this on the vita.
here´s just one link to back it up:

http://videogamewriters.com/wipeout-hd-headed-to-vita-this-spring-free-for-owners-of-ps3-version-39096

#66 “As for price, like i already said; Dont expect a price drop any time soon, because unlike Nintendo, Sony arent selling the Vita at a criminally off-kilter production cost to retail price ratio”

Sony arent selling the vita at a criminnally price off kilter production cost to retail price ratio, thats true, but they do with the memory cards, and for me the 3DS didnt do that either, i mean the criminally price, because nintendo is the only videogame manufacturer that depends solely on selling videogames as their only main asset, they dont have multiple divisions to coupe with the gaming department losses, like sony and microsoft do, and if the leaked manufacturing costs for the 3DS were indeed accurate, about 150$ if i dont recall wrong, then is not criminal either, becuase if you add other costs like advertisement, etc, i think we are talking aprox. of a net gain about 50$ (more or less), and that is not criminal, for a videogame company only like nintendo.

And i like to point out that vita also needs games that are exclusive to vita,and i mean that they are not found on any other system, games that use the unique vita tech, and games that are focus with a handheld mindset, not console games on a handheld, because the two are very different and the things that make a game stronger on one, it will not do it at the other, and viceversa, both types of videogames are very different, therefore the games should be different too, but that will be another topic, though.

@90,
“if the leaked manufacturing costs for the 3DS were indeed accurate, about 150$ if i dont recall wrong, then is not criminal either, becuase if you add other costs like advertisement, etc, i think we are talking aprox. of a net gain about 50$ (more or less), and that is not criminal, for a videogame company only like nintendo.”
Correct your facts first
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Nintendo-3DS-Carries-$100-71-Bill-of-Materials-IHS-iSuppli-Physical-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
Now tell me if nintendo was doing the right thing or not.
Also look at this-
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/teardowns/sony-playstation-vita-teardown/?pi_campaign_id=13825
Now tell me if vita is expensive or not. As for memory cards, you can always buy a 4gb card and wait for price to drop, but I will admit that memory cards were overpriced. Although not nearly as criminally as 3ds was.
“because nintendo is the only videogame manufacturer that depends solely on selling videogames as their only main asset, they dont have multiple divisions to coupe with the gaming department losses, like sony and microsoft do, ”
Do you think ms and sony are doing some charity work in gaming sector so they should take losses whereas ninty rips off every customer. That is double talk. MS and Sony are running businesses here and they need profits to run too.They are just like nintendo – MNCs.

#91 “Do you think ms and sony are doing some charity work in gaming sector so they should take losses whereas ninty rips off every customer. That is double talk. MS and Sony are running businesses here and they need profits to run too.They are just like nintendo – MNCs.

They had always sold their consoles at lost in the majority of the entire lifecycle of their hardware, is not charity i know that is business, but they can coupe with that they had multiple divisions, it is a common practice in big corporations like these ones, but nintendo is different in this regard, they dont have multiple divisions, videogaming is their main and only asset for incomes.

“Correct your facts first
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Nintendo-3DS-Carries-$100-71-Bill-of-Materials-IHS-iSuppli-Physical-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
Now tell me if nintendo was doing the right thing or not”

Hence the if i didnt recall wrong, that indicates some doubt, i never claim it was an undisputable fact, because iam not a machine and i never said it was the correct information, but the linked article doesnt cover all the costs involve for the final product, the one at retail, it doenst cover cost s like advertisement, assembling, packing, etc, all the non direct costs if you will, so in reality to have a real accurate number it is difficult, therefore calling the price as criminal or rip off is too much, heck even nintendo admitted is lossing money at 170$ therefore you can say 50 $ net gain, when it did lunched is not that wild guess either, and mind you is a pretty reasonable number IMHO, for a gain that is.

@92,
“They had always sold their consoles at lost in the majority of the entire lifecycle of their hardware, is not charity i know that is business, but they can coupe with that they had multiple divisions, it is a common practice in big corporations like these ones, ”
Like which companies? MS is swimming with cash because of xbl and sony only made losses with ps3, ps2 and ps1 were highly successful and were profitable.
“but nintendo is different in this regard, they dont have multiple divisions, videogaming is their main and only asset for incomes.”
You seem to give nintendo more leverage as they are “video games company only”. Well as a customer, I dont give a damn to this. Its not my fault that its a games only company, but I am not paying anything to a company which takes its customers for granted. Nostalgia factor does not work with new gamers like me and its value will only decrease in the future.
Also if ninty is making losses on 3ds at 170$, then sony must be bleeding because of vita as it costs much more than 3ds to manufacture.