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Developers reaffirm BioWare’s right to leave Mass Effect 3 ending as it is

Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:34 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Irrational Games boss Ken Levine and Mythic creative director Paul Barnett have both defended developers’ creative right to tell stories as they choose – regardless of community backlash.

In a question and answer session at the Smithsonian American Art museum, as reported by Vox Games, one audience member asked Barnett and Levine what they thought of call for BioWare to change Mass Effect 3′s ending.

“If computer games are art than I fully endorse the author of the artwork to have a statement about what they believe should happen,” Barnett said.

“Just as J.K. Rowling can end her books and say that is the end of Harry Potter. I don’t think she should be forced to make another one.”

Levine said he felt the discussion came at “an important moment” and argued that gamers wouldn’t be satisfied with a changed ending.

“I think if those people got what they wanted and [BioWare] wrote their ending they would be very disappointed in the emotional feeling they got because they didn’t really create it,” he said.

“I think this whole thing is making me a little bit sad because I don’t think anyone would get what they wanted if that happened.”

A fan campaign to pressure BioWare into creating a new ending has raised over $74,000.

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21 Comments

  1. alterecho

    My thoughts exactly! Godfather wouldn’t be Godfather If it had a different ending.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Aimless

    It’s really a more nuanced argument than can be tackled in a sentence or two. I’d encourage people to give this article a read as it gives a pretty good overview of the situation.

    Personally I’m for BioWare altering the ending, but also believe they should stick to the direction they chose. In other words a director’s cut where they edit the finale to better realise the developer’s intent with the ending, because as is I feel it’s very half-arsed and I can’t imagine everyone at the company is happy with it either.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. bugmenot

    The Godfather sucks. Mass Effect sucks. They’re about on the same-tier. Ego-inflating kitsch. A harmful distraction from solving real-life problems. :) ;)

    #3 3 years ago
  4. BubinTheElcor

    I think this article makes a good point, a good unbiased read http://www.mediumdifficulty.com/2012/03/20/consumer-demand-entitlement/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=consumer-demand-entitlement

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Sini

    you bitches want your own endings? make your own fucking game.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. diego-rbb-93

    @1, Alterecho:

    Godfather ending was brilliant for the movie, just the perfect hit that make you see how the movie just worked on you to arrive to that point.

    Mass Effect 3 has nothing to do with that for the moment.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. Froseidon

    @ 1 & 5 – Too true.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Malmer

    It is certainly their right not to change anything. It is also their right to not listen to the majority of the fans (not a vocal minority here). It sure is.

    But then again, it is their “right” to not sell any additional dlc, since the ending makes it so that nothing matters. It is their “right” to sell fewer copies of dragon age 3. It is their “right” to make any spinoff in the mass effect meet a wall of resistance. It certainly is their right.

    But is it the smart move?

    Fans have legitimate concerns over the ending. An ending that makes no sense at all if you think about it more than five minutes. Making an optional other ending could fix some of that.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. OrbitMonkey

    Their is no legitimate concern, their is no nuanced argument. The fans want to see their hero run off and live happily ever after with their fuck buddy of choice. That is it.

    Please don’t dress it up as anything else.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. Vapsyvox

    Sure, some players would like to see their Shepard and his/her partner move to some cute bungalow in the ass end of space, but please don’t hastily assume that it’s what everyone wants. Those who actually played the game and took the story seriously know that their Shepard probably wouldn’t survive, and they are okay with that. But they are not okay with some tri-colored, half-assed ending that is riddled with plot holes and no conclusion whatsoever.

    Casey Hudson promised 16 different endings where the player’s choices from the previous games mattered. What we got was cheap space magic, Jake Lloyd and three endings that differed only in color.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. endgame

    Well, it’s hard to act on this matter. I think both parties are right about something. I as a gamer and a massive Mass Effect fan think that the ending (my ending) was maybe not bad but certainly incomplete. What happened to all of my friends? What happened to Garrus, Tali, Grunt, EDI, Jack, Samara and so many others. I would like to know. On the other hand I wouldn’t want them (Bioware) to create a new ending. What’s done it’s done. Just move on. Or maybe release some free cinematics-only DLC showing us what happened to them. What I would really love would be high-res textures. The game looks horrible. And now Texmod doesn’t work with masseffect3.exe which means that the modders can’t help us anymore.

    Anyway, one thing is certain. There will definitely be more Mass Effect games in the near future. If not, than the ending is not only incomplete but bad as well. :)

    #11 3 years ago
  12. Malmer

    I have no problem if shepard dies. Let him die. In pain and agony tortured by reaper spiders. Whatever. But I want to see Liara grieve over it. Or Tali get killed. Or Wrex killing husks. Something. Some closure. And the whole premise, kill organics now so synthetics don’t do it later. And Shepard is just fine with that. Seriously?

    That’s our problem. Not that we didn’t se shep eith blie babies. And why not? Why don’t have that as one of many possible outcomes? Sidequests in the game are better written and with more different outcomes.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. strikkebil

    the whole thing is just embarresing… change the ending cos u didnt like it? if the game wasnt finished or glitched out yes, there would be reason for refunds. but just cos u dont like it?! that gamers even suggest changing the ending, instead of asking bioware for dlc to explain more says alot about them as a group. and yes i said them, cos i dont wanna be assossiated with gamers anymore.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Vedexent

    Let`s distance the issue from video games for a second. Lets talk about cars.

    If a series of cars came out, and the 2010 and 2011 models came with a particular feature, and the marketing for the 2012 model talked ALL about this feature being in the that model as well, and you bought one based on that advertising and then found that they had yanked that feature and not told anyone, would you not think that you had a right to complain? Would you not potentially want to return that vehicle? Would you not possibly want to manufacturer to fulfill what they both implied through their past design choices (this car being one of a line), and explicitly stated in their advertising material?

    Any consumer product which is defective, or is substantially different than advertised would receive this reaction.

    Video games are not “sacred”. Game writers,producers, and marketers cannot lie to their customer base and hide behind the classification of “art”

    The book & movie analogies that some people invoke are flawed.

    While we have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to expect movies or books to change to match customer desires, Bioware specifically built a line of games which incorporated customer choice into the game. We didn`t shove our choices at Bioware, they invited them. They asked for them. They told us that we were supposed to be part of the story building process. They relinquished a portion of artistic control in order to more completely engage their audience – and for many fans this is what sold Mass Effect to them.

    Then in the last 5 minutes they decided to re-assert sole artistic control, but still expect us to buy their product and react as if it was still the same interactive story telling? Please.

    Many people have stated that it isn`t about a Happy ending – it`s about a story-consistent ending, which offers closure, even if that ending is still a bleak one (regardless of what IGN and some of the more vitriolic industry paid lapdogs would have you think).

    I can only assume that some of the more vitriolic anti-fan responses here are trolls, astro-turfers, or people who lack the ability to think critically about the fan complaints and evaluate them as CUSTOMER complaints when a manufacturer`s advertising lied.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. Phoenixblight

    @14

    Car analogies suck and should never be used in the context of games. 5 years of payment for a vehicle that you had hopefully researched before you buy =/= a 60$ game that gives you hours of entertainment.

    You need to replay all of Bioware games and start to think critically about the choices being made every single one of them didn’t matter they were all superficial if you think otherwise you are lying to yourself.

    Killing the original council, who you picked for Councilor, what you did with the Collector base, all those ending “choices” never matter hey if you like to drink diet coke and think that its original soda that is your business but that is not the case here. You are fed with the illusion of choice. People have romanticized or hyped the ending to be such a spectacular thing of epic proportions and then reality slapped them across the face and told them “no”. If you actually thought there was going to be so many different endings based on the choices you made throughout the ENTIRE series you were lying to yourself because all the choices you made throughout the series had been answered just not in the ending and those choices were not relevant for the choice being made at the end.

    People claim that this protest is of the vast majority then why in all my classes and work with the people I speak to daily, I have only spoke to one person who seems to have romanticize the ending while totally disregarding Bioware previous game endings.

    Bioware should stick to their guns for the ending. If anything give us an epilogue explaining what happened to the team members, races and galaxy as a whole. I didn’t enjoy WItcher 2, Batman Arkham Asylum, SKyrim’s ending and I know I am not the only one. I have yet to see anyone to throw any protests for those games and two of them are games based on choices. Life goes on.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. absolutezero

    This entire thing rankles because of everyone saying that developers should be untouchable.

    Like Brian Sewell should hang up his jacket because artists are without reproach when it comes to criticism.

    “Its what they wanted to do, who are you to offer ideas, constructive criticism and advice?”

    mmmmmmm logical.

    EDIT, im pretty sure that one of the major decision from the first game (to kill or free the Queen) made next to no fucking difference at the end of the game. Its talking an entire series based around choice and then removing all the choices for the end. Which turns out to be foolish when the end is badly written, poorly rendered and filled with plot holes.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. viralshag

    @15, If the choices you make mean absolutely nothing, why do I see two completely different outcomes at the end of the Quarian missions based upon my decisions?

    Why can’t the same thing be applied to the options at the end?

    #17 3 years ago
  18. absolutezero

    You really want to know why?

    Because.

    Its because they can. No one is allowed to question that either because its in the game and if its in the game then they obviously wanted it to be exactly like that. So sit down and shut up we have some DLC to sell fucker and you better damn well buy it.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. Phoenixblight

    @17

    Because the choices throughout the game have all gotten their consequences you are asking for Bioware to collect the 60 different choices made throughout the entire series and make a ending with that in mind. If Bioware was going to do that they would have just dsone the slideshow which people have also hated. They never win.

    @18

    I never said that but the next game I do buy from the companies that had made the games I mention I will know better and not expect anything out of them or I will just not buy their games ever again like the Fable series.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Aimless

    I imagine this will get its own article, but Dr. Ray Muzyka has published a good level-headed open letter on the issue.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. viralshag

    @19, Well I think you will find that’s exactly what people were expecting. Not every decision has to have an impact but surely you would at least expect a difference between whether you’ve been Paragon or Renegade… That’s pretty much what most decisions throughout the game amount to anyway – whether you’re Paragon or Renegade.

    Why could they be bothered to make some decisions change the course of the story throughout the game but then regardless of what you choose you just get three stock options at the end?

    You’re making out like they COULDN’T have done it… even though they already did…

    #21 3 years ago

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  • Shelter 2 pre-orders open, launch trailer debuts early

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  • That Batman: Arkham Knight trailer is full of codes

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  • Assassin’s Creed haystacks won’t save you from a fall

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  • Why are people buying PS4 and not Xbox One?

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  • Toejam and Earl are back with a new Kickstarter

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  • New Wander trailer shows off Azertash form

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  • SOMA approaching beta phase on PC and PS4

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  • Square Enix does not condone Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest HD Remaster

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  • New Hunger teaser released by LittleBigPlanet Vita co-developers

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  • Here’s two Mario Party 10 overview videos, one featuring amiibo

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  • Clan Raids announced for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare Companion App

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  • Play Battlefield Hardline starting March 12 through EA Access

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  • This video summarizes the contents of Destiny patch 1.1.1

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  • Destiny 1.1.1 patch notes out, update is live

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  • Payday 2 packs based on Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number coming

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  • Velocity 2X making its way onto Linux, Mac, PC and Xbox One

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  • Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number finally has a release date

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  • Warhammer 40,000: Dark Nexus Arena is a twin stick shooter MOBA for PC

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  • More information, videos for cancelled Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun surface

    A trailer for the cancelled Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun title from Climax which was reportedly set for an E3 2012 reveal, has surfaced. Along with the above video is another which is described as a pre-boss battle cutscene. It’s below. According to a source of NeoGAF’s Mama Robotnik, the game was being developed under […]

  • Three additional games added to Square Enix Humble Bundle

    Kane & Lynch Collection, Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light and Startopia have been added to the Square Enix Humble Bundle. All three are made available when paying the average price of $7.69. Those who have already purchased the bundle will automatically be granted the titles. All three are available for PC only. The […]

  • Forza Horizon 2 gets Fast & Furious with standalone expansion

    A Fast & Furious tie-in and standalone expansion to Forza Horizon 2 will arrive for Xbox consoles next month. Titled Forza Horizon 2 Presents Fast & Furious, the downloadable title does not require the base game to play. “We’ve been talking with the folks at Turn 10 for a number of years and have always […]

  • The Evil Within: The Assignment has a release date, new trailer

    The Evil Within: The Assignment will be released on March 10 in North America and March 11 in Europe, it was announced today. Along with an exact release date was a trailer detailing more information about the first set of DLC. The Assignment is the first of two DLCs centering on Detective Castellanos’ mysterious partner, […]

  • Steam and GOG cross-platform multiplayer added to AvP Classic 2000

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  • OlliOlli 2: Welcome to Olliwood arrives on PS4, Vita next week

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  • Week 7: Play GTA Online with VG247 tonight at 8pm UK time!

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  • Batman: Arkham Knight – first look into the story

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  • Vita knocks New 3DS LL out of top slot on Media Create charts

    Thanks to four new titles, one of which was God Eater 2: Rage Burst, PlayStation Vita has knocked New 3DS LL out of the top slot on the Media Create charts in Japan. The handheld, which came in thrid place last week, moved 35,203 units for the February 16-22 period, compared to 10,901 units the […]

  • Dragon Quest Heroes coming west in 2015, PS4 only

    Dragon Quest Heroes will be making its way to west this year. Square Enix has announced that it’s bringing Dragon Quest Heroes to the west this year. The press release mentioned only PAL territories (Europe & Australia). Though it’s unlikely it will miss the US. The game will release on PlayStation 4, both digitally and […]

  • Destiny: how to make sure Crota stays down for longer

    If you’re familiar with the final encounter of the Crota’s End raid, then you know every second Crota is immobilised counts. Arekkz Gaming has a handy tip for anyone who’s played Crota’s End or anyone attempting it. The trick is simple to execute and will ensure Crota stays on his knees for longer, making for […]

  • NBA Live 15 added to EA Access just four months after release

    EA has added NBA Live 15 to the list of games available instantly to anyone with an EA Access subscription. NBA Live 15 has been added to EA Access’ Vault, EA has announced. As of today, anyone with an EA Access subscription on Xbox One can play it alongside other available games. NBA Live 15 […]

  • Deal: get Advanced Warfare Limited Edition Xbox One bundle + extra game for £299

    UK retailer GAME is offering a good deal on the Advanced Warfare Limited Edition 1TB Xbox One bundle and is throwing in an extra game. The retailer has reduced the price of the bundle to £299, which is the usual price for the standalone console. The bundle is of course Advanced Warfare-themed. The console and […]

  • That Metal Gear Rising 2 logo was for the second anniversary of the original

    Metal Gear Rising developer Platinum Games has confirmed, once and for all, that the “2″ logo we saw during Sony’s presentation at Taipei Game Show was definitely not for a sequel. Platinum posted this on Twitter earlier. デザイナーの趙&ニシイから、『MGR』2周年記念イラスト! ディレクターの齋藤( @PG_saito )が、開発スタッフブログでご紹介しています↓↓ http://t.co/IW1aOxAZQR #mgr pic.twitter.com/ZbNF3Jk1tF — PlatinumGames Inc. (@platinumgames) February 25, 2015 The illustrations were made by artist Yong-Hee […]

  • Resident Evil Revelations 2 is formulaic and I’m okay with that

    There’s something comforting about the lack of ambition and plain old gameplay in Resident Evil Revelations 2, says Matt Martin. “It’s locked from the other side.” Of course it is. What did I expect? I’ve been here before. So many times. Not just in Resident Evil but a million other games. It’s so familiar as […]

  • Battlefield 4: double XP event live now through Sunday

    EA is holding a double XP event in Battlefield 4 on all platforms. The publisher is celebrating Battlefield Hardline going gold by offering all Battlefield 4 players double XP in multiplayer matches. The double XP event is now live and through 23:59 UTC on Sunday, March 1.

  • BioShock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Rayman Legends free with March Games with Gold

    The list of free games coming in March as part of Microsoft’s Games with Gold programme has leaked. The leaked list of games include Rayman Legends and #IDARB for Xbox One along with Tomb Raider and BioShock Infinite for Xbox 360. In addition, Microsoft will be offering double the amount of games in April. The […]

  • Telltale’s new IP will be a “super show”, bridges the gap between TV and game

    Telltale’s upcoming mysterious new IP will be produced in collaboration with Lionsgate and will be a hybrid game and TV show. Entertainment Weekly spoke to Telltale CEO Kevin Bruner to understand what’s a super show. “A “Super Show” episode combines one part of interactive playable content with one part of scripted television style content,” said […]

  • Next Mortal Kombat X stream to show Brutalities, new character

    Brutalities will be making a return in Mortal Kombat X and we’re getting a look at them very soon. The next Mortal Kombat X live-stream has been dated and we know it will show Brutalities for the first time. Developer NetherRealm Studios posted this on Twitter. pic.twitter.com/ZJYN1FNRZ9 — NetherRealm Studios (@NetherRealm) February 23, 2015 Notice […]

  • PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2 does not support offline co-op [Update]

    Players who bought the PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2 have realised that the game doesn’t support offline co-op. Unlike the console versions, the PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2 can only be played in single player, with no offline co-op option. Capcom has not revealed this prior to launch. Instead, users on […]

  • Deals with Gold: Assassin’s Creed, Sleeping Dogs, Thief, and more

    This week’s Deals with Gold is offering hefty discounts on some good titles. The list of discounted games for this week’s Deals with Gold promotion includes Assassin’s Creed 4: Black Flag, Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition, Thief and others. The deals cover Xbox 360 and Xbox One and are only available to Xbox Live Gold subscribers. […]