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EA stock drops 3% after analyst expresses doubts on SWTOR

Friday, 20 January 2012 04:07 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Investors have been scared away from EA by an analyst’s prediction that Star Wars: The Old republic won’t live up to prior expectations.

Brean Murray Carret & Co issued a note to investors on Thursday morning, slashing its price target on EA stock from $22 to $28. Analyst Todd Mitchell said he had “creeping concerns” over Star Wars: the Old Republic’s profitability.

“Specifically, initial sales appear to be below expectations, and casual observation of early play is causing us to rethink our churn assumptions,” Mitchell said, as reported by MarketWatch.

Investors were so spooked by the warning that EA stock took a beating, dropping almost 3% to $17.75.

EA and BioWare have expressed nothing but satisfaction with the launch so far.

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19 Comments

  1. freedoms_stain

    To 22 from 28.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. OlderGamer

    Way too early to throw in the towel on SW TOR yet. However I honestly don’t see the game having much of an impact, esp long term. Its great for the Lenerds, Sheldons, Rajis, and Howiwitzes of the world, but I think your average gamer(if there is such a term) is more likly to play something like WoW. As far as MMOs go.

    SW games are better suited to the likes of Battlefront and Unleased type things. In other words SW is a great place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there. Pick em up and put em down games are just better fits, imo.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. e13

    If they would have done some sort of Mass Effect MMO I would be all in.

    Plus the graphics don’t look next gen

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Kalain

    Problem I see here is an analyst not really having a clue. He’s probably looked at the Console market and WoW expansion sales and decided that the 2Million copies on a single platform for a single game isn’t enough.

    The game will do well, bits need to be tuned/fixed/redo, but it will do well.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Erthazus

    That analyst can gtfo really. I don’t understand what he is comparing. MMO to the console market or what?

    Anyway, game is broken. You can fix it, you can do everything you want with it. It’s done. Engine is done. Everything is done, hype train is over… You only have Star Wars brand and crappy WOW clone.

    Engine is worse than Vanilla WOW, not to mention that Blizzard will restructure every location in Azeroth. Just look at the Alliance new crisp location aka Gilneas City and you will understand what i’m talking about.

    This game is a mess as i said before and i was correct from the start. SWTOR is a mess and nothing more. It goes the same road Everquest II, RIFT, AION or EA’s WARHAMMER went.

    6 months and good luck with it, EA. Best wishes. Lol.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. GrimRita

    Erth – how is Rift a mess? Are you comparing EVERYTHING to the dizzy numbers of WoW? If you are, you need a brain check.

    MMOs can still be a success with a much smaller user base. EA of course wanted to topple WoW from #1 spot and will probably fail again.

    If SWTOR can bump along with small numbers and return a profit, fine. Either way, 1 million days at launch is pretty poor and I just cant see where the growth will come from. Star Wars isnt huge in Asia and maybe with the release of Episode 1 3D might bring in a few extra players but hardly enough to beat WoW.

    But the investors have a right to be worried, despite EAs claims of a ‘smooth’ launch, it wasnt – massive Qs probably forced on people to give the impression that the game is busy, lots of down time for tiny fixes that break the game.

    Bioware have a huge team behind this and its only a matter of time before that is downsized and I bet we will see the removal of voice acting from side quests by the end of the year or early next.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. Talkar

    I think SWTOR will get a lot of players each year when episode 1-VI is being released in 3D. However Grim SWTOR didn’t suffer massive q’s. It did suffer q’s yes, but not massive, massive are when you sit in a q for about 4 freaking days straight! That is how WoW was.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Erthazus

    @6, I didn’t said that RIFT is a mess. I said that SWTOR is going the same road these mmos are going. FTP at best or small servers with small numbers.

    and yes, for MMO to be successfull, you still need a lot of subscribers because MMO’s are a huge investment.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. frostquake

    SPECULATION WILL END THE WORLD! Speculation of “FUTURES” causes prices to raise or fall on “WILLY NILLY” Who the HELL knows what the Future Holds in 3,6,12 months. SPECULATORS are RUINING this Country and the WORLD!! Want to Bitch about Gas Prices..Talk to Speculators! Want to bitch about food prices…Talk to Speculators!

    Who ever allowed SPECULATION to become a real part of our Society deserves to be sent to the deepest pit of DESPAIR!

    Oh and by the way..I HATE SPECULATORS!!!

    That being Said..I do not see anything really “LASTING” in SWTOR. They claim it will never end..a lie! They can adapt or the game will die! The Free To Play model with Pay down the line has SPOILED all the Facebook Users. The models of MMO need to change to survive!

    #9 3 years ago
  10. Talkar

    @9
    Lol at you ranting about speculating, and then finishing off with doing just that xD

    #10 3 years ago
  11. viralshag

    I had a fun game of PvP last night.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. DarkElfa

    Haterz gonna hate, players gonna play. Shut the fuck up and go play a game peoples, life is too short for bitching and speculation…

    #12 3 years ago
  13. _LarZen_

    @12 You should take your own advice then.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. TheWulf

    The only thing I have against SWTOR is the setting. They picked a really dismal time to set it in, there are much more interesting stories to be told elsewhere. I mean, the latter trilogy of Star Wars films can be considered as Sci-Fantasy detritus as they have little impact upon the minds of those unfortunate enough to see them, and most of that impact is Jar-Jar Binks.

    Not only that, but the choices of races were poor. There are some really interesting Star Wars races out there, including my personal favourites – the Shistavanen. Not only that, but originally the reason they said they left out same sex couplings in Star Wars was because the lore didn’t support it. However, to the contrary, there are actually a number of precedents for it. This shows that the writers aren’t very familiar with the source material that they’re working with.

    Where Relic have done great things for the Warhammer 40k Universe with their writing, Bioware has actually managed to detract from their given IP. It’s almost as bad as the latter trilogy of films. Not quite, but almost. It’s certainly not as interesting as Star Wars could be.

    And the story stuff I saw had little impact on the world itself, and it had little to do with what the player was doing. And really it was just conversational stuff that was much ado about nothing. I watched a lot of the story on Youtube and some of it just put me to sleep.

    There’s just no excitement, wonder, or romance there. It’s all cold. Really, it feels like a bit of a cash-in. That’s my problem with it. Star Wars is a great IP, I KNOW this. And it could be put to far better use than TOR did. Really, this is no more interesting than The Force Unleashed, and nowhere near as compelling as Knights of the Old Republic II, which was a broken mess.

    I’m sure I’ll get hate for this, but really, I’m just being honest. Which is more than you can say for a lot of the fans. If I see something particularly brilliant, I’ll definitely talk it up. But as it stands, this is Star Wars not at its worst, but definitely at its most unexciting.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. Phoenixblight

    “The only thing I have against SWTOR is the setting. They picked a really dismal time to set it in, there are much more interesting stories to be told elsewhere. I mean, the latter trilogy of Star Wars films can be considered as Sci-Fantasy detritus as they have little impact upon the minds of those unfortunate enough to see them, and most of that impact is Jar-Jar Binks.”

    More freedom to do as they please since there are books upon books writen about the Star wars movies and afterward. Bioware also has the KOTOR support, there are a lot of quests and such related to Revan. I wouldn’t be playing it if it was related to the movies at all.

    “And the story stuff I saw had little impact on the world itself, and it had little to do with what the player was doing. And really it was just conversational stuff that was much ado about nothing. I watched a lot of the story on Youtube and some of it just put me to sleep.”

    WHere would you get the idea you have an effect on the actual world? Each story of each classes tells a different perspective around the Emperor, and each factions role in the lead up to the war. What you do have control over especially by the end of each act is how your story changes. The story changes based on the choices you make through out your class quest. I can confirm that having a level 40 Imperial Agent and my friend also playing the imperial agent and we have discussed this but our story is different because we had made completely different choices.

    Anyways fans have clamored for a KOTOR MMO since KOTOR release so those fans like me have gotten what we wanted from Bioware.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. Kabby

    Sith Warrior Conversations:

    Option 1 – A somewhat reasoned response.
    Option 2 – A question or amusing quip.
    Option 3 – You annoyed me, time to die.

    Picking 1 and 2 often leads to more interesting paths but resisting that third option requires real life use of the force.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. GrimRita

    Well with my alt, the BH story was about as interesting as watching a Soap on TV – fucking boring.

    The amount of times you travel back and forth only to find your target ‘isnt there’ or escaped right under your nose when there is only ONE way out, with YOU blocking that means of escape.

    Then theres the running back and forth to your ship for a chat – why cant those lazy bastards meet you for a change?!

    Anyway, I am pleased my time has come to an end because SWTOR has to be probably THE biggest disappointment of 2011. It lacks any kind of creativity, has a development who are utterly stupid and a game engine creaking under the sheer weight of all those ‘stories’ it will burst.

    Roll on the EA fiscal call because not even they can hide the numbers

    #17 3 years ago
  18. viralshag

    @14, I agree with what you said there. I actually really liked the stories I played – I completed the smuggler story as “Dark” and past the starting areas for Consular, Bounty Hunter, Knight and Trooper – Trooper being the most boring.

    But the problem, as you said, is that it really makes no difference what epic choices (and some are epic in scale) you make within the story. As PB keeps pointing out (and missing what you’re trying say anyway) you can have a very varied story towards the end, but I don’t see how any of those choices mean anything at the end of it other than to yourself?

    In my opinion, this should have been given the ME3 treatment – a (hopefully) fantastic SP game with a great story and some optional but related MP.

    At the end of the day, no matter what you have done in your time as a Smuggler, Bounty Hunter or Knight; you will still be in a “blank canvas” of an MMO world.

    “Anyways fans have clamored for a KOTOR MMO since KOTOR release so those fans like me have gotten what we wanted from Bioware.” – Think that’s the first time I have heard a KOTOR fan saying they always wanted a KOTOR MMO. I personally just always wanted a KOTOR sequel… Something that will never happen now. TOR is the end of that franchise… which is the real big shame here.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. GrimRita

    I dont think they had much of a ‘choice’(see what I did there!)when it came to setting.

    After SWG, it was clear that players wanted to be a Jedi also. Look what happened to that game, once Jedi were let loose, at a time when there were only a handful around.

    But the beauty of SWG was that it appealed to those who enjoyed combat(pve or/and pvp) AND, importantly, those who just wanted to spend their time crafting, resource gathering and putting effort into creating stuff(pre NGE of course).

    If you can get people to pay £8.99 to do what they more or less wanted, then you are on to a winner. Had SWG been set in the Clone War era, things may have turned out differently.

    #19 3 years ago

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  • CoD: Advanced Warfare owners get free pistol today

    Advanced Warfare developer Sledgehammer Games is adding a new pistol to the game, free to all players. The M1 Irons is a new pistol that comes to Advanced Warfare starting today. The weapon is offered as a thank you gift from the developer. Sledgehammer says the Irons is good at range and packs a punch. […]

  • Fall down the Skullgirls Big Band music video rabbit hole with me

    Skullgirls is a pretty amazing fighting game, but did you know it’s also a passable music creation suite? Earlier today I was idly perusing an episode of PlayStation Underground showing off Skullgirls 2nd Encore, a re-release of the indie fighter packing in loads of new features and coming to PS4 – with full cross-play! – […]

  • The many uses of Wolfenstein: The Old Blood’s pipe weapon

    Wolfenstein: The Old Blood adds a sick new weapon to BJ’s arsenal: a pipe. In Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, a pipe is not just a pipe. Not only can you bash nazis with it, you can use it to climb walls, reach hatches, and even break through some walls. Plus? You can dual wield it. […]

  • Mortal Kombat X teaser gives first look at Predator

    Mortal Kombat X’s next celebrity guest was teased during the latest Kast. Today’s Mortal Kombat X Kast was mostly about all about Jason, but also included a very brief nod to Predator. You can watch the full livestream to see the tease in situ if you’re really keen, but IGN shared this convenient edit: There’s […]

  • Rock Band 4 has count-ins, drum fills and vocal harmonies

    Rock Band 4 will more closely emulate the feeling of being a real musician with some neat personalisation touches. For Rock Band 4, Harmonix elected to double down on player ownership of their experience rather than technical precision. To this end, it has implemented a number of cool new features. I am wildly envious of […]

  • Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z, Lost Planet 3 developer shuttered

    Spark Unlimited has gone down with all hands. The Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z and Lost Planet 3 developer has been shuttered and all staff laid off. Chief technical officer John Butrovich confirmed the news in a statement issued to IGN. “Spark Unlimited is closing as a video game developer. The ongoing opportunities for smaller mobile […]

  • PS Now subscription available on PlayStation 3 this month, Vita coming soon

    PlayStation Now’s all you can eat service has finally been dated for PS3. Subscriptions to PS Now, Sony’s cloud-based gaming service, will be available on PS3 from May 12 in the US. The all you can eat package will also be made available on select Bravia TVs and Sony Blu-ray players on the same date. […]

  • GTA 5 is even better with a gravity gun

    GTA 5 modders have made a dream come true, adding a gravity gun to your arsenal of mayhem-causing weaponry. GTA 5 isn’t ready for this. It looks like a heck of a lot of fun, but the poor old Los Santos po po can’t deal with the resulting carnage at all. If Rockstar were ever […]

  • “Mod makers should be able to make money from their creations,” says DOOM creator

    DOOM co-creator John Romero has weighed in on the paid mods debate. Paid mods are a hot issue right now. For years, Valve has been enabling content creators to make money from their work on Counter-strike: Global offensive, Dota 2 and Team Fortress 2, but when it partnered with Bethesda to offer the same for […]

  • Watch WRC driver Kevin Abbring smash through a DIRT Rally challenge

    WRC driver Kevin Abbring has been participating in Dirt Rally’s daily events – and kicking ass. Dirt Rally seems to have ticked one of the most difficult to attain boxes of racing development – creating something professional drivers like to play, and which rewards their years of experience. Codemasters published the video below showing Hyundai […]

  • Mortal Kombat X patch to bring PC version up to console standard

    Mortal Kombat X PC will be fixed tomorrow, NetherRealm has promised. The PC version of Mortal Kombat X has come under fire for poor performance, including stuttering frame rate and bugs as plenty. About 45 minutes into a recent Twitch stream, NetherRealm boss Ed Boon said an update will drop tomorrow to address many of […]

  • Destiny House of Wolves: all new Crucible maps detailed

    Destiny’s House of Wolves DLC will add four new maps to the Crucible, the game’s competitive multiplayer mode. Let’s take a look at all of them. Alex brings you new footage showing all of the four maps that will drop with House of Wolves. He goes over the layout, landmarks, gameplay styles, and other important […]

  • Custom Xbox One Star Wars controllers look very tempting

    Microsoft is celebrating May 4 by showing off concept designs for Star Wars-themed Xbox One controllers. May 4 is of course Star Wars Day and the controller concepts you’re about to see are just that, concepts. Or at least that’s what they said they are. There are four designs and they don’t look very practical. […]

  • Project Cars launch trailer is an anthology of race cars, set to the beats of Deadmau5

    Project Cars comes out this week and there’s just enough time for one last trailer. Project Cars, Slightly Mad Studios’ ambitious racer that has been in development for ages, is finally coming out this week. The racer received plenty of changes throughout its development based on community feedback and the final product will be in […]

  • Star Wars Battlefront dev reveals planet Sullust

    Sullust, a planet that has not been previously shown, will be featured in one of Star Wars Battlefront’s maps. Star Wars Battlefront developer DICE revealed today that planet Sullust will be one of the game’s locations. The planet was mentioned in the films and other Star Wars works, but was only shown today. DICE posted […]

  • Destiny House of Wolves: Tower vendor changes

    House of Wolves will change the inventory of some of Destiny’s vendors and add new roles to others. Here’s everything that has been announced so far. You know that House of Wolves will bring a new social space to the game in the form of The Reef. But did you also know that the good […]

  • Nintendo apologises for Amiibo shortages, will reissue some out-of-stock figures

    Nintendo released a statement today to apologise for fan’s frustrations in finding some Amiibo figures and promised to handle distribution better going forward. Nintendo has been criticised recently for its lack of communication when it comes to new Amiibo figures. Something which has lead fans to not know if certain figures are limited to some […]

  • Halo: MCC “a black eye for us,” Halo 5 won’t suffer the same fate, says franchise director

    The development of Halo: The Master Chief Collection was of an “outrageous complexity,” which was one of the reasons it suffered a horrible launch. None of that will happen with Halo 5: Guardians, according to Frank O’Connor. Frank O’Connor, Halo franchise development director opened up to Xbox Achievements about the difficult task of developing The […]

  • Destiny House of Wolves: weapon Reforging explained

    When House of Wolves drops in a couple of weeks, you’ll be able to change the stats of some in-game weapons. This process is called ‘Reforging’. Alex goes over all the details Bungie revealed about the new Reforging system. This covers the materials you need, the weapons that can be reforged and much more. Make […]

  • GTA 5 PC: control the in-game phone with your iPhone using this mod

    GTA 5′s latest mod lets you control the in-game phone with your real-life iPhone. Reddit user Planetleak wanted to see if he would succeed in getting his iPhone to control the phone in GTA 5. He did it and has a video to prove it. It’s not a mod per-se, but it emulates mouse and […]

  • SoulCalibur dev wants to know fans’ favourite characters for “something huge”

    SoulCalibur developers are probably working on a new game, because they’re asking fans to vote on their favourite characters. Project Soul, the longtime developer of the SoulCalibur series is soliciting feedback on fans’ favourite characters. The developer said as much in a post on its Facebook page. “Calling all SoulCalibur Fans! Project Soul would like […]

  • Jason Voorhees doesn’t look out of place in new Mortal Kombat X trailer

    Jason Voorhees comes to Mortal Kombat X starting tomorrow and it’s time to celebrate his arrival. Jason Voorhees, the first DLC character for Mortal Kombat X has been given the trailer treatment. Jason is part of the game’s Kombat Pack, owners of which can start using him tomorrow, May 5. Being an iconic horror character, […]

  • Dragon Age: Inquisition – Dragonslayer DLC announced, free to all this week

    Dragon Age: Inquisition is getting a multiplayer expansion this week. BioWare has announced that all owners of Dragon Age: Inquisition will receive a new multiplayer expansion, for free. The expansion is called Dragonslayer and it’s centred around fighting dragons, hence the name. Three new playable characters will join the roster as you explore an all-new […]

  • Sonder is still happening, and this is the best news of the week

    Sonder is a really interesting-looking new indie adventure, which I am quite excited to remember exists. We first heard about Sonder in late 2013, when its debut trailer introduced us to a Kamai Media’s ambitious vision. In the intervening months Kamai has been hard at work on its space station management sim slash non-linear narrative […]

  • Twitter axes playable Internet Archive embeds

    The dream has died: Twitter has disabled Internet Archive game embeds. Remember how for a few days you could tweet a link to an a game on the Internet Archive and it was playable direct from that tweet? Well, Twitter has cancelled that. All those tweets now just show links. GamesIndustry suspects it has something […]

  • Lords of the Fallen, Divinity: Original Sin developers will reveal new games at E3 2015

    Lords of the Fallen developer Deck13 and Divinity: Original Sin developer Larian Studios have new projects in the works which will be revealed at E3 2015. Publisher Focus Home Interactive is behind both new games. In a French press release [PDF] spotted by RPG Codex, Focus said it will show off the two unrevealed titles […]

  • Rare game announce expected at E3 2015

    Rare’s new game will be shown off at E3 2015, apparently. Rare hasn’t announced a reveal, and neither has Microsoft, but it looks like the news has slipped out anyway. IGN cites a tweet from Rare creative director Simon Woodroffe in which he says that a new project from Rare designer Gregg Mayles will be […]

  • Batgirl expansion included in $40 Batman: Arkham Knight season pass

    Here’s what you get in the $40 Batman: Arkham Knight season pass. Batman: Arkham Knight’s season pass was announced last week, but apart from the news that it would cost a whopping $40/£33, we didn’t get many details of what it would include. Thankfully, Warner Bros. has since acknowledged the clamour this caused, as players […]

  • Star Wars Day Xbox sale discounts Force Unleashed, Lego games

    Star Wars Day is upon us, and here’s an Xbox sale to mark it. Microsoft is offering discounts on Xbox 360 games to celebrate May 4. From my desk here in Australia the sale is a bit light on content – two Lego games, plus The Force Unleashed and its DLC packs. Your mileage may […]

  • Here’s hoping this tease means we see Mass Effect at E3 2015

    Mass Effect boss Mike Gamble has shared a teaser image, which we’re more than happy to draw speculative conclusions from. The new Mass Effect game in the works at BioWare Edmonton is a mysterious beast. Judging by how long it’s been in development, it feels like we’re about due for a proper reveal, to clear […]

  • Watch almost a whole hour of Wolfenstein: The Old Blood

    Wolfenstein: The Old Blood is almost here. Are you ready for old-school shooter action? Wolfenstein: The Old Blood publisher Bethesda livestreamed almost an hour of the Machine Games shooter recently, and has now uploaded the archive to YouTube. Check it out below: Wolfenstein: The Old Blood launches digitally on PC, PS4 and Xbox One on […]

  • Splatoon lacks voice chat to promote a positive online experience

    Nintendo’s multiplayer game Splatoon will not contain a voice chat option in order to “focus on the positive aspects” of online gaming. Speaking in the latest issue of Edge magazine (thanks, GamesRadar), Splatoon co-director Yusuke Amano said personal experience with negativity in online voice chat was one of the main reasons for excluding the feature. […]

  • D4 on PC: differences from Xbox One version, system specs announced

    D4: Dark Dreams Don’t Die – Season 1 is coming to PC, and Access Games has provided a list of features different from the Xbox One version. We’ve pulled most of the changes off the game’s website and posted them below, along with the PC specs. D4 on PC Kinect gesture input controls replaced with […]

  • The Megalodon returns to Battlefield 4 with the latest CTE patch

    The Megalodon Easter Egg in Battlefield 4 may have been removed earlier this year from Naval Strike, but it has since resurfaced on the CTE with the latest patch. I’d make a Jaws reference, but it’s been done to death. The shark is shown in the video on the Paracel Storm map which was where […]

  • Survival horror game Kodoku has a new work-in-progress trailer

    Kodoku, the survival horror title from Carnivore Studio, has a new work-in-progress video available, showing you how the game is coming along. Announced for PlayStation 4 and Vita back in 2013, the game is slated for release sometime this year, and tasks the player with avoiding mythical Japanese ghosts using only magic and stealth. Thanks, […]

  • Current HoloLens prototype has noticeably “tighter” FoV compared to January build

    Microsoft’s augmented reality headset HoloLens is still very much in the prototype stage, according to various reports out of the Build Conference. Microsoft hasn’t discussed technical specs with the press yet as nothing is set in stone, but during a hands-on at Build, Ars Technica noticed the prototypes had a “x86 processor, 2GB RAM, 802.11ac […]

  • Silent Hills petition asking Konami to continue development has over 50,000 signatures

    A petition to save the Silent Hills game has been formed by fans in the hopes Konami will change its mind and bring the collaboration with Guillermo del Toro back from the dead. Konami confirmed on Monday the Silent Hill remake from film director Del Toro and Metal Gear’s Hideo Kojima had been cancelled, but […]

  • Attack on Titan has a US release date, title changed in EU over copyright claim

    Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains will be released under a different title in Europe, according to the publisher, and while a release date has been set for North America, the same cannot be said for fans across the pond. According to Atlus, a copyright claim in Europe has forced the company to publish the […]

  • Yooka-Laylee meets final Kickstarter Stretch Goal in less than 24 hours

    The Kickstarter for Playtonic’s Yooka-Laylee sailed beyond its final £1 million ($1.5 million) Stretch Goal overnight, which will allow for a simultaneous release on all announced platforms. Once funded, Yooka-Laylee was slated for release on Linux, Mac, PC, PlayStation 4, Wii U, and Xbox One; however, a simultaneous release on all platforms wasn’t guaranteed unless […]

  • Not a Hero will miss its May 7 release date, but not by much

    Not a Hero will miss its May 7 release date, according to an announcement from Roll7. Not to worry though, it’s only by a week. According to the developer, the delay is due to “having undergone super-secret upgrades to crank shit up to 60fps.” The extra week will provide the additional time needed for tweaking […]