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Paradox boss: Next console gen will “probably be the last”

Thursday, 19 January 2012 19:39 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Paradox Interactive CEO Fredrik Wester is of the opinion open platforms such as PC, mobile, and social networks will continue to thrive in the future, while box products decline as the next generation of consoles will “probably be the last.”

Speaking at the firm’s annual showcase in Stockholm, Wester is of the belief digital is where it’s at, due to Paradox revenues increasing by 97% in 2011 from digital offerings, compared to 1.5% in 2006 from digital revenues.

“The next generation of console hardware will probably be the last,” he said. “I’d be surprised if we see another generation after that.”

Last year the firm also beat its previous 2010 record with a 250% growth in profit compared to the prior year’s 75% profit growth.

Thanks, StrategyInformer.

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38 Comments

  1. LOLshock94

    waht a retart

    #1 3 years ago
  2. ManuOtaku

    What is the catch, really, all the sudden interest to demolish dedicated home consoles gaming, really i wonder what is the catch in this, what are they after?

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Night Hunter

    @2: money, what else!? He says digital and for me that means total control over prices and they get rid of the used game market.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. absolutezero

    Paradox is a PC developer there is no used game market.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Erthazus

    Consoles should die.

    Since Xbox 360 launch there is no progression. Last juice from consoles we saw in 2009 and we are in 2012 already with the same old consoles.

    I hope that consoles will disappear eventually. I know that console gamers will disagree with my opinion, but i want my games to be better and technology should not stop devs to optimize something for everyone. I’m not against the controller, but these proprietary devices should go.

    Next gen as the last one is ok. I’m still going to buy one of the consoles and of course PS Vita.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. DSB

    @2 I think you misunderstood something. Like a lot.

    Who’s looking to destroy it?

    Thing is, something better is going to come along, and that’s gonna make you throw your console away.

    It’s evolution, baby.

    @3 I strongly doubt that prices are going to skyrocket with the demise of the licence-barons.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. monkeygourmet

    @5

    But this will effect PC Gaming aswell…

    After the next generation of consoles, im certain every type of gaming you can imagine will be streamed in some way or another. So, in about 10 years, PC gaming as you know it will be dead too…

    #7 3 years ago
  8. _LarZen_

    If consoles wil be gone so wil the pc…

    #8 3 years ago
  9. Lounds

    Gaming won’t be dead, and even if everything is streamed in 10 years time, you can still use your mice & keyboard or controller, whats the problem, a united gaming culture, apart from mobile gaming cough cough.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. DSB

    @7 Anything “as we know it” is going to be somewhere else in a decade. That’s kinda the rule.

    No doubt it’ll have a devastating effect on all kinds of hardware once cloud reaches it’s full potential but you’re still going to need a platform with the versatility to work as well as play.

    I don’t know when the written word is going to get stomped out, but I think it’ll take longer than a decade.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. fearmonkey

    I love these opinions which turn out to be wrong 90 percent of the time.
    Such as PC gaming is dead…….. and Single player gaming is Dead……..

    Then look at the insightful comments made in the past like Nintendo’s no one needs 32bit gaming, 3DFX’s no one needs 32bit color, and all the pro virtual reality is the future crap.

    Now we have this guy saying consoles are dead, PC and mobile gaming is the future. I don’t know a single serious gamer that believes mobile devices are the future of gaming. If we all have Cloud consoles one day, fine, but that’s a ways off.. It’s taken handhelds a long time to catch up to today’s current consoles, and those games still aren’t exactly at that level. By the time they are, new consoles will be out.

    It’s too hard to guess what the future will bring…. Technologies change too fast and often.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. TheWulf

    Sigh. Why do PC gamers have to peddle anti-console semantics? I actually got myself banned from Rock, Paper, Shotgun because I was speaking out loudly against this sort of thing. I’m literally sick of it. Geez, this Master Race elitist bullshit… the average PC gamer tends to buy into it too much and it is not cool.

    There’s nothing wrong with consoles or console gamers. I prefer the PC, but I won’t ever ignore consoles simply because they are. If I did then I’d miss marvels like Okami and Ratchet & Clank. It is such a foolish notion, and I can’t help but think that console gamers would treat PC gamers better if we stopped all this nonsense. You’re okay, Erth, but even you need to stop this. It doesn’t make any of us look good.

    Anyway, Fred Wester is a pretty cool guy too and I’m not sure if he means what he’s being made out to mean here. What I think he’s trying to get at is that consoles will evolve to be more multipurpose machines, perhaps building in elements like OnLive and things that will help with day to day life. The PS3 and 360 have already begun to do this, but it’s very primitive compared to what you get on smartphones and tablets.

    I think that what Wester is getting at is that after the next generation of consoles, they’re going to evolve into such multipurpose multimedia devices that they won’t technically be consoles any more. They’ll have evolved into something that benefits people more readily. Something that perhaps you could tie your smart phones, computers, and tablets into for a more ‘wired’ home experience.

    Not to mention that, as I said with OnLive, after the next generation cloud computing is going to become more of a thing, and there’s going to be more bandwidth readily available for it.

    One huge benefit that may come to console gamers, and it’s something that games developers have already been experimenting with, is if mods could be ransported to consoles. And potentially, at some point, even developed on consoles. Though the computer may continue to be the most comfortable environment for mod development. But I think that opening up the platform at some point in the future will make consoles much more worthwhile for all sorts of people, rather than just console gamers.

    So I think the future of consoles is really bright. Will they still be called ‘consoles’ after the next generation? I couldn’t tell you, but they might not be. And I think that’s what Fred is getting at.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. fearmonkey

    @TheWulf – Not all PC gamers are console haters.
    I love the PC, and play a ton of PC games, but I actually prefer the console experience. I like turning the machine on, placing in a disk and being in the game right away. PC gaming, while looking much much better on my Nvidia 480GTX, is my 2nd choice in gaming. I cannot wait for consoles to catch up and surpass PC’s, at least for awhile.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Lounds

    @Fearmonkey

    I was taking the piss out of mobile gaming, it’s the only platform I know where it’s market is over saturated with utter shit.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. DSB

    I think you got your analogies mixed up there fearmonkey.

    Nintendo’s “no one needs x” argument is a lot closer to the “no one needs cloud gaming” argument.

    You’re right in that you never know the kinds of unexpected problems that might arise, but one thing is absolutely certain – Things move forward, things are replaced, and nothing stays the same.

    People fear change, and as you also point out, it doesn’t mean the end of the console gaming experience, just the end of the hardware, at the very least as the main platform.

    The console and the PC are in the same boat in terms of hardware being made redundant, but quite arguably there are few things to do on a console right now that you won’t be able to via a cloud device, with a powerful enough internet and vendor hardware infrastructure.

    I also don’t agree with the argument that things tend to move slowly. It feels like yesterday I was playing a grey brick called a Nintendo Gameboy. These days kids have iPads with 250 times the processing power.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. freedoms_stain

    I think there will continue to be devices that we plug into displays and play games on with dedicated gaming controllers for a while yet, but whether these devices resemble what we’ve been calling “games consoles” for the last few decades remains to be seen.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. SuperGuyverUSA

    Yeah, this guy is an idiot. I don’t know about Microsoft, but Nintendo has always been making video game consoles and Sony plans to stay in the console market as well (at least from what I have gathered). The death of handhelds is something I hate to think about, but I can live with it. Death of consoles? Now that’s just something that most gamers would have to disagree with. I believe video game consoles will live on.

    #17 3 years ago
  18. ManuOtaku

    #6 “@2 I think you misunderstood something. Like a lot.

    Who’s looking to destroy it?

    Thing is, something better is going to come along, and that’s gonna make you throw your console away.

    It’s evolution, baby”

    We can have evolution with home consoles too, for example holographic consoles,o r other new techs that we cannot think about it right now, again iam not against evolution iam against cloud gaming, for many reasons i have stated in the past, therefore i dont think cloud gaming is the only way for evolution in gaming, as evolution finds mutliple ways in reality, get only one way for the evolution to happen is just foolish in my eyes, so i wonder what is all this sudden interest in demolish dedicated gaming on both consoles and handhelds, i dont know but is not coincidence IMHO

    #18 3 years ago
  19. Psychotext

    Exactly the same thing was said before the the release of the PS3 / 360. It was wrong then, it’s wrong now.

    They may change a lot (for instance, PVR / cable box functionality inbuilt) but they’re here to stay.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Gadzooks!

    Agreed, consoles are not going away because without consoles there is no games industry plain and simple.

    Tech nerds can bang on about PCs all day long but Joe Public has not and never will buy/maintain/upgrade/fap over a PC for gaming. Streaming and browser games on smart TVs might sustain the industry for a while, but the public wants the standardised, easy to use console for gaming. PCs will never replace that.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. absolutezero

    So why the fuck are consoles turning into mini PCs?

    Really if all anyone wants is a simple plug and play console why are they turning into media centers?

    I agree though consoles wont die because MS and Sony wont let them die, they will beat the corpse for as long as they can and people will continue to pay through the nose and act smug about it.

    The current style of console might not be going anywhere but maybe it should maybe it should take a little look at itself and realise that people do want to just stick and disc in and start playing, so kill installs and patches and DLC and all other stupid shit barriers to just getting into the game. Fuck off Social Networks, get fucked achievements, go to hell Video Streaming.

    No one wants to faff about with accounts and profiles and all that shite, I just want to play the game. Stick a game in, comfy couch and drool on myself.

    #21 3 years ago
  22. Gadzooks!

    #21

    I can buy a game, put it in my 360 and have it load on boot, and be playing within about 20 seconds. This applies to every 360.

    You are lucky to be playing a game within an hour with some PC and to a lesser extent PS3 games. Thats if the game works on your particular mix of hardware, and if you have kept up to date with minimum specs, drivers, patches, etc..

    You have to be a bit of a thickie to not see why the PC model will never, ever be mainstream gaming.

    #22 3 years ago
  23. absolutezero

    I can put a disc in my 360 have to it load on boot have it not connected to Xbox Live, have to choose where to put my save game on its single hard drive, have to sign into whatever publishers own system to deliver news I don’t care about, sign into Xbox Live, have to download a patch, get signed out of Live, sign back in again, watch a minute of unskippable developer and publisher logos.

    Then I might actually get to play. The entire plug and play aesthetic that consoles used to have no longer applies its an out-dated idea. Its no longer that Black and White, just like trying to say you have to keep up with hardware, and patches and drivers and blah blah blah.

    Just because I faulted your statement does not mean I expect PCs to ever be turning up in living rooms anytime soon. Something like On Live, thats a possibility (and thats an idea im not to fond of either).

    #23 3 years ago
  24. Gadzooks!

    #23

    You are really clutching at straws there mate! XD

    Sign into a publishers network? On some EA titles, maybe. Thats a function of the game though, not the platform, and it’s optional if you want to play offline.

    As I stated, most 360 games can be played within around 20 seconds. Make that 30 if you patch, or arent clever enough to enable auto sign-in. Make that minutes for the PC equivalent, sometimes doubled, if indeed the game even works on your rig.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. absolutezero

    Im glad you grasped at the silliness of the shit I posted because thats about the same level of knowledge your displaying with the inane generalisations about PC games. It sounds to me like you have pre-concieved notions about what a PC game is and how it plays and are using those notions to colour an entire platform. Which is silly. You big silly.

    You really think it takes longer to start a game up on PC than a console? Really?

    ok.

    #25 3 years ago
  26. DSB

    No one can say with absolute certainty what the future will bring, just what the most promising technologies are. Cloud gaming obviously among them.

    @Mano There’s no reason why holographics wouldn’t be handled by a cloud device, which may also have a limited hardware capacity, or even your own TV.

    The biggest obstacle I see is the “own your own” mentality, but as DVD sales and rentals have shown, even that can be defeated by a better deal, sporting better delivery.

    As for the industry’s ability to hold back the future, that’s only half true. They can delay it, like they managed to do with the VHS tape, but ultimately people recognize superior technology when they see it.

    And that applies to their business models as well. With VHS tapes you were able to sell more copies of each individual movie, since the tape had incredibly poor durability. They obviously weren’t able to preserve that for the sake of making more, just as they aren’t able to sustain DVD and ticket sales today.

    People want something different. Companies either realize that and make it work, or they perish in their own incompetence.

    That’s largely the basis for the current SOPA/PIPA fiasco. Suddenly the money is drying up, and they need to attribute that to anything but their own failure to adapt.

    @24 I’ve rarely seen load times like the ones you get on consoles on a PC. Playing an average sports game it’s not unusual to have to get through three different ones just to play the game. These days we have SSD drives, welcome to the 21st century!

    #26 3 years ago
  27. Gadzooks!

    #25

    You seem to think I dont own a gaming PC. I do own one, and have to maintain, patch, upgrade and install games on the annoying box of pain.

    I dont use the thing for games. Frankly I’d rather have sewage piped into my lungs than game on it, but my girlfriend does. In fact she has her own gaming PC but uses mine because hers is so flakey.

    The only reason she plays on PC is because I absorb the pain of maintenance, and a mighty fucking pain it is.

    #27 3 years ago
  28. absolutezero

    Ok so you own a gaming PC but don’t game on it you just keep it upgraded, which you don’t really have to do in order to keep playing games on it.

    ok chief seems legit.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. Gadzooks!

    Read my post again. Properly this time.

    #29 3 years ago
  30. absolutezero

    It still seems like a load of old half-arsed out-dated opinions. I’ll read it again, yeah you have a PC which you have to “maintain”, patch which happens on everything, upgrade which is not really needed anymore unless you have really out of date kit, and installing is also on everything now aswell!

    If you get a new piece of hardware like a new GPU a one-time driver update will keep it running fine for months without a hitch. Its simply a falacy that PCs need a huge amount of looking after to keep playing games.

    So basically for someone that purports to own a gaming PC and has to do alot of begruding work upon it you have very ignorant and incorrect opinions.

    Why not just say fuck it and get On Live for your “girlfriend”? Why not just fix her PC? What the fuck is going on?

    #30 3 years ago
  31. Gadzooks!

    I dont have the time or money to keep both machines game-capable, so hers is basically an occasional use web browser.

    You obviously have few issues with your PC. Thats great, I’m glad for you. It hasnt worked out that way for me or my girlfriend or the family members I have to provide tech support for.

    This is not opinion, this is experience.

    I’ve been using PC’s all my professional life (22 years) and the problems always remain. Not powerful enough without constant upgrades, too much tweaking to make things work, viruses, windows crashes and driver incompatibilities all make it a chore and the simple fact is that your average gamer just cannot be arsed with it.

    There is no standard PC. No consistency. Little chance of knowing if any given config even fits together, let alone works, let alone works with your software.

    There are too many variables. That’s why PC gaming is not mainstream and will remain that way. PC gaming is for entheusiasts. All power to them, but it is not for most people. For most people the console is the only way to game.

    #31 3 years ago
  32. Kalain

    #29

    I call consoles little boxes of pain because you have no control over them. You have to patch when you are told to patch. MOst of the games I’ve bought on the PS3, which is only few, always required a patch to be downloaded so that the PS3 could identify the disk/Game, then there are the patches which have got to be downloaded before I even get to play the game. Thats my experience of consoles.

    I look after 3 gaming PC’s in my household, as well as helping a friend with his. The only time I have a problem is when my son thinks it’s a good idea to download beta drivers for his GFX card, aside from that they all patch/update automatically without issue. I guess I look after them remarkably well.

    From reading your posts, you come across as someone doesn’t really understand how to maintain a PC, let alone a gaming one. Yes, you do a little bit of work at the start, tuning it to how you want, then after that it runs automatically and updates when you have told it too (providing you understand how Windows update works correctly).

    As for game patches and GFX drivers, you have steam for that. It will update depending on your settings.

    The only real problem you’ll have is if you upgrade your CPU and MB. Generally, if you’re using win 7, it will cry for a bit and you just install the new drivers and away you go.

    Maintaining PC’s is a lot easier and simpler now then it was 2 years ago.

    But, on topic, Consoles did bring a lot, most of it was in the programming department. Optimisation was the biggest thing they bought since they have such a small amount of memory to play with you really needed to learn how each console worked.

    But Fredrik Wester is right, this gen or next gen, will be the last gen of consoles we will see. After that they will become media centres, built into TV’s or part of a great set of media related devices. You can see this today with the likes of LoveFilm and Netflix on the consoles. Companies want these at the centre of your audio/visual centre in your home/work etc etc. And this may well come to pass and be very successful but, you will always have the PC. It will never die, it will change, but it will always be there, sitting in the background shaping the next generation of Media Centres/Consoles, as it is now.

    #32 3 years ago
  33. Gadzooks!

    I know how to build and maintain PCs just fine, thanks. I simply dont have the time, money or motivation to do so.

    Even if I could be bothered, a lot of the games I like simply arent available on PC anyway. Local multiplayer is pretty much nonexistant on PC, and I like to game with friends.

    I dont listen to any of the ‘PC gaming is dying’ fads though. Like you say, PC gaming will always be there because of enteusiasts. Thats a good thing, diversity always is.

    Same goes for consoles. They will always be there because gamers like quick, easy, consistent ways to game. Console death prediction is a rediculous notion and it simply will not happen.

    #33 3 years ago
  34. reask

    For me personally PC gaming is a no go area.
    Reason been I know very little about them.

    Only the other day there was an article on here about the new dell gaming desktop and I thought, this looks good.
    Then the comments started coming in about specs been outdated on it.
    I instantly switched off.
    Not because I disagreed with any of the comments, in fact they were probably correct.

    And there’s the rub really.
    See for me and I am sure millions of others the console does what it says on the tin.
    I enter shop and pick up the game I want on whichever platform and away I go.

    I lost I tunes about 2 years ago and still do not have it.
    I rang apple about 18 months ago and was sent an e mail on what to do.
    Got as far as quick time and it wouldn’t come out.
    I now use the laptop for I tunes.

    You may say I am stupid or just lazy but the truth is I just couldn’t be bothered enough to spend hours trying to sort it.

    I love new tech when its working but when something goes wrong its off to the pc repair man.

    I would like to get in to PC gaming but until they make it console like I will just rumble along with the consoles.

    I reckon there is a sizeable minority of older less techy gamers out there like myself.
    Which is why I think it will be a good 15 years before PC starts to become the standard gaming platform.

    #34 3 years ago
  35. Kalain

    #33

    Fair enough. You just came over as that to me, oh the medium of text is wonderful..

    But I agree with you aside from one thing, “PC gaming will always be there because of enteusiasts”. I can’t agree with this since PC gaming also has the largest Casual market share than any platform. PC gaming is the biggest platform around, dwarfing the consoles. BTW, I consider consoles to be a generic term, each console is it’s own platform just as Mac gaming and Linux gaming are different platforms to PC/Windows Gaming.

    Console will stay, but will become media hubs, like I said above. Same ideal, different term. Both will be with in some form or another, I think thats the part that we both agree on.

    #35 3 years ago
  36. DSB

    Saying “they will always be there” about a piece of 30-40 year old technology is pretty gosh darn retarded :P

    History and common sense do not support it.

    Ditto the idea that you need a box loaded with hardware to facilitate quick easy and consistent ways to game. We’re actually already moving away from hardware to achieve that. 50% of the games market is digital distribution.

    Telling the disc that it will always be there doesn’t change the fact that it’s already dying.

    @35 The media hub argument doesn’t cut it though. You can stream most content already, and once the internet comes into it’s own, you’ll have no problem playing games that way either.

    #36 3 years ago
  37. Kalain

    #36

    Which is why I said in a previous post:

    “You can see this today with the likes of LoveFilm and Netflix on the consoles.”

    Also, streaming media from different sources around the house would count as well. Yes, streaming gaming will come into it but we still need quite a few years before net connections are at such a point where we can stream games without issue.

    I do think PC’s will always there around, but in a different form to what we are use too.

    #37 3 years ago
  38. DSB

    It won’t be “soon”, but considering that OnLive already works as well as it does, just 10-12 years since the 56k was the industry standard, I think it’s very unwise to bet against the internet and the possibilities it carries.

    We’re moving forward at an extremely rapid pace, pretty much year on year.

    I think 10 years – presumably the span of the next console gen, including the 1-2 we have left – could be optimistic because you’re looking at overhauling the physical internet infrastructure to keep up with the level of technology, but like everything else it’s just a question of time, investment and ingenuity.

    In 20 years everything we have is going to make the PS3 look like a pocket calculator, and a 50 megabit connection is gonna look like a 56k connection.

    It’s not like saying we’re gonna be piloting flying cars to work. More like saying we’re gonna be driving ones with aerodynamic design and crumple zones.

    #38 3 years ago

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