Bethesda debunks Obsidian dev’s Skyrim PS3 lag theory

Wednesday, 7th December 2011 11:16 GMT By Johnny Cullen

Bethesda PR VP Pete Hines has flat out debunked claims from Fallout: New Vegas project lead Josh Sawyer that memory management and the game’s engine is what’s currently causing problems for the PS3 version of Skyrim.

On Twitter, Hines moved to deny Sawyer’s claims, which were made on Monday, claiming that the issues from New Vegas – which was powered by Gamebyro – were fixed for Skyrim and the Creation Engine.

“Josh Sawyer did not work on Skyrim nor this engine and his comments don’t reflect how the current tech works,” he said in a tweet to a fan.

In another, he added: “No, it isn’t true. He brings up issues we solved long ago.”

Bethesda gave a status update overnight, saying a new fix wouldn’t arrive until at least Update 1.4.



  1. Mike W

    Well Mr. Hines maybe you and your incompetent team should code the game properly, so you won’t received such a negative backlash.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. freedoms_stain

    I did think at the time “hmm, very different engines” but then again, that doesn’t mean to say they didn’t use similar if not identical memory management coding – until Pete Hines stepped in anyway.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. OrbitMonkey

    I’m gonna have to start laughing about this… Or I’m gonna cry… Like a big baby… *sob*

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Aimless

    Whilst I’d need to check, I don’t think Josh Sawyer’s comments were actually made in relation to Skyrim, people just took what he said about New Vegas and saw the correlation.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. deathgaze

    I smell bullshit. They’re still basically the same engine. The only thing Bethesda did for this iteration was to tweak the lighting effects. I think Mr. Hines is just trying to make it look like Beth’ did more work than it actually did. “We’re not lazy! I swear!” Riiiiiight.

    It’s also worth pointing out that Obsidian wouldn’t be the first developer to complain about playing musical chairs with the PS3s memory. :/

    #5 3 years ago
  6. Mike W

    @5 You’re right it is bullshit and it is the same engine that has just been modify a little. It will be suicide for them to come out and state, “Yeah we mainly work on the 360 and ported it over to the PS3 and PC”. Now, they’re in the position where they have to play dumb and point the fingers at everything but themselves.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. The_Red

    Bethesda is trying to fool people into thinking they are using a “Brand new” engine called “Creation” for Skyrim where in reality, they’ve just bought Gamebryo, tweaked it a little and slapped a shiny new name on it.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Erthazus

    They are using the same engine guys if you don’t know. It’s modified Gamebryo engine and it’s still really crap.

    #8 3 years ago

    TOTAL BS, Mr. Hines. I looked into the game’s memory and not only found leftover FALLOUT 3 data, but Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion data as well.

    New engine? Fixed these problems? HA! As if. Quit lying, come clean, and maybe hundreds of thousands of fans will still respect Bethesda and their future creations (no pun intended) – or is winning GOTY more important?

    #9 3 years ago
  10. NiceFellow

    Great news. Fix for PS3 incoming then…

    #10 3 years ago
  11. malakai

    Bethesda has been releasing broken games since elder scrolls: daggerfall came out. The people who bought Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout: New Vegas probably expected these same old issues to happen. However, Skyrim was a massive release, one that has gone mainstream, and many people pre-ordered and bought this game, not knowing about the bethesda ‘curse.’ The games may get patches and add-ons for people to spend more money on, but they never get fixed properly.

    Unfortunately for you, Mr. Hines, anyone with a remote set of hex editing skills can compare the code of Bugrim, Bugout, and Oblivious and see that just because you call a Pinto a Ferrari by putting a tarp over it and covering it up in a garage and TELL PEOPLE, “there’s a Ferrari in there somewhere” doesn’t make it a Ferrari. Welcome, Mr. Hines, to the no-spin zone.

    Remember, this is the same guy that called PC gamers pirates JUST BECAUSE a few retailers sold copies early AND Steam allowed a few of them to download Skyrim a couple days before release date. Bethesda has said before that they have 100% control of what happens with steam, what content is available, when content is available, etc. So, why exactly is Pete calling PC gamers pirates? He is the one that messed up.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. DSB

    PR rep in damage control mode. Nuff said.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. malakai

    The next major video game article just may be: ‘Pete Hines blames Sony, Microsoft for not approving New Vegas lag patch, Bethesda sent in the patch over a year ago.’

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Joe Musashi

    @13 Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo never fully approve anything. A testing pass will basically be a list of findings with a waiver form that the publisher signs, thereby acknowledging and taking ownership and responsibility of the issues that were found but considered permissible.

    That said, a memory leak like this, if found, would never be waived.


    #14 3 years ago
  15. Ireland Michael

    Daggerfall was far more broken than any of their recent, console generation titles ever were.

    Yet strangely, it’s still one of my all time favourites.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. registrationsux2000

    The amount of ignorance in some of these comments is embarrassing. Not one of you knows anything about what it takes to make a game like Skyrim, or the underlining differences between Gamebyro and the Creation Engine. Of course, it doesn’t seem to stop you from spewing your ill-conceived notions as if they were truth. Kindly realize your uninformed opinions are worse than meaningless – they are misleading – and refrain from sullying the internet with them in the future. Thank you. (also, Arena was Bethesda’s first game, not Daggerfall. Kids nowadays…)

    #16 3 years ago
  17. Psychotext

    “Not one of you knows anything about what it takes to make a game like Skyrim”

    Is that even relevant? The game is broken on the PS3 as it stands… and you don’t need to know the intricacies of putting a large scale game into 256mb of memory to know how fucked up it is that it was released that way.

    #17 3 years ago
  18. OrbitMonkey

    ^^Wow a whole comment about how ignorant the comments are, without any actual information pertaining as to why their ignorant? Cool. Thanks. Colour me educated.

    Or were you just making a appeal for guys to give Bethesda a break, because making a big open world game is so gosh darned difficult?

    #18 3 years ago
  19. DSB

    Psychotext said it. If you want to sell a game, you should make sure it works.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Ireland Michael

    @16 As far as I can see, not a single person actually stated anywhere that Daggerfall was their first game.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. Joe Musashi

    To be fair, I don’t think @16 is wrong in their message. Though the delivery was a teensy bit confrontational.

    Knowledge of the end product shouldn’t be confused as knowledge of its creation. I can listen to a piece of music – it doesn’t make me a composer. ;)


    #21 3 years ago
  22. DSB

    You’re still quite able to compare that piece of music with another though, and Skyrim obviously doesn’t resemble any kind of new engine. It’s just a prettied up old one.

    Of course that doesn’t allow us to speak of the specifics, but it’s still obvious that you’re looking at a renamed iteration of an engine, rather than a brand new creation (geddit?!).

    Lady GaGa looks flashier than any other pop princess, but her music still sounds exactly like Christina Aguilera or Britney Spears. I don’t have to write the songs to realize that :P

    #22 3 years ago
  23. Joe Musashi

    Harsh. The Skyrim thing is insulting enough without bringing Lady Gaga, Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears into it. :(

    Surely The Smiths would be more appropriate? :D


    #23 3 years ago
  24. DSB

    I really wouldn’t know. I’m more of a Pixies man myself :P

    I think Lady Gaga is one of the best examples of simply repackaging something you’ve seen a million times before and selling it mostly on pretense. Which isn’t exactly uncommon to the games industry.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. Joe Musashi

    So, what you’re saying is Lady Gaga = Zelda. Gotcha.

    Which one is Led Zep then?


    #25 3 years ago
  26. DSB

    I don’t know, did Led Zep rip anybody off? I know they played one of their first gigs at a Danish highschool, but my knowledge of 60′s era prog is pretty limited. I know Lemmy used to be in Hawkwind?

    I’m confused now.

    But yeah, Lady Gaga is Zelda on the Wii. And Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera are Zelda on the Gamecube. Same old story, different controls :P

    #26 3 years ago
  27. Joe Musashi

    Achievement Unlocked: Derail Complete!


    #27 3 years ago
  28. DSB

    Hawkwind is Saints Row The Third, Led Zeppelin is Serious Sam 3, Horslips is Skyrim, Black Sabbath is Arkham City and Rainbow is Portal 2 because it’s better than all of the above.

    Holy shit, is that the noise guy from Police Academy?!

    #28 3 years ago
  29. deathgaze

    @16: Uhhh, I’ve modded on every Elder Scrolls game since Morrowind. It’s still the Same. Damn. Engine. Oh, and I have a degree in Game Design and Production as well and code small demo projects in my spare time.

    So your comments basically amount to the pot calling the kettle black.

    #29 3 years ago
  30. chipvideo

    I think Bethesda should pull support for future games on the playstaion consoles. They should just go with the 360 and PC.

    #30 3 years ago
  31. OrbitMonkey

    ^ oh definitely, it’s not like the 360/pc versions have any problems… Oh wait they do!!

    Still nice try at trolling little man ;-)

    #31 3 years ago
  32. DSB

    Trolling console fanboys is about as challenging as punching a woman in the face to make her cry. Gets ‘em every time!

    #32 3 years ago
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    #33 3 years ago
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    #34 3 years ago
  35. DarkElfa

    #33 & 34, youmadbro?

    #35 3 years ago
  36. Ireland Michael

    @35 Kid’s clearly got anger issues.

    #36 3 years ago

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