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Bethesda debunks Obsidian dev’s Skyrim PS3 lag theory

Wednesday, 7 December 2011 11:16 GMT By Johnny Cullen

Bethesda PR VP Pete Hines has flat out debunked claims from Fallout: New Vegas project lead Josh Sawyer that memory management and the game’s engine is what’s currently causing problems for the PS3 version of Skyrim.

On Twitter, Hines moved to deny Sawyer’s claims, which were made on Monday, claiming that the issues from New Vegas – which was powered by Gamebyro – were fixed for Skyrim and the Creation Engine.

“Josh Sawyer did not work on Skyrim nor this engine and his comments don’t reflect how the current tech works,” he said in a tweet to a fan.

In another, he added: “No, it isn’t true. He brings up issues we solved long ago.”

Bethesda gave a status update overnight, saying a new fix wouldn’t arrive until at least Update 1.4.

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36 Comments

  1. Mike W

    Well Mr. Hines maybe you and your incompetent team should code the game properly, so you won’t received such a negative backlash.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. freedoms_stain

    I did think at the time “hmm, very different engines” but then again, that doesn’t mean to say they didn’t use similar if not identical memory management coding – until Pete Hines stepped in anyway.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. OrbitMonkey

    I’m gonna have to start laughing about this… Or I’m gonna cry… Like a big baby… *sob*

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Aimless

    Whilst I’d need to check, I don’t think Josh Sawyer’s comments were actually made in relation to Skyrim, people just took what he said about New Vegas and saw the correlation.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. deathgaze

    I smell bullshit. They’re still basically the same engine. The only thing Bethesda did for this iteration was to tweak the lighting effects. I think Mr. Hines is just trying to make it look like Beth’ did more work than it actually did. “We’re not lazy! I swear!” Riiiiiight.

    It’s also worth pointing out that Obsidian wouldn’t be the first developer to complain about playing musical chairs with the PS3s memory. :/

    #5 3 years ago
  6. Mike W

    @5 You’re right it is bullshit and it is the same engine that has just been modify a little. It will be suicide for them to come out and state, “Yeah we mainly work on the 360 and ported it over to the PS3 and PC”. Now, they’re in the position where they have to play dumb and point the fingers at everything but themselves.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. The_Red

    Bethesda is trying to fool people into thinking they are using a “Brand new” engine called “Creation” for Skyrim where in reality, they’ve just bought Gamebryo, tweaked it a little and slapped a shiny new name on it.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Erthazus

    They are using the same engine guys if you don’t know. It’s modified Gamebryo engine and it’s still really crap.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. SONYFACE

    TOTAL BS, Mr. Hines. I looked into the game’s memory and not only found leftover FALLOUT 3 data, but Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion data as well.

    New engine? Fixed these problems? HA! As if. Quit lying, come clean, and maybe hundreds of thousands of fans will still respect Bethesda and their future creations (no pun intended) – or is winning GOTY more important?

    #9 3 years ago
  10. NiceFellow

    Great news. Fix for PS3 incoming then…

    #10 3 years ago
  11. malakai

    Bethesda has been releasing broken games since elder scrolls: daggerfall came out. The people who bought Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout: New Vegas probably expected these same old issues to happen. However, Skyrim was a massive release, one that has gone mainstream, and many people pre-ordered and bought this game, not knowing about the bethesda ‘curse.’ The games may get patches and add-ons for people to spend more money on, but they never get fixed properly.

    Unfortunately for you, Mr. Hines, anyone with a remote set of hex editing skills can compare the code of Bugrim, Bugout, and Oblivious and see that just because you call a Pinto a Ferrari by putting a tarp over it and covering it up in a garage and TELL PEOPLE, “there’s a Ferrari in there somewhere” doesn’t make it a Ferrari. Welcome, Mr. Hines, to the no-spin zone.

    Remember, this is the same guy that called PC gamers pirates JUST BECAUSE a few retailers sold copies early AND Steam allowed a few of them to download Skyrim a couple days before release date. Bethesda has said before that they have 100% control of what happens with steam, what content is available, when content is available, etc. So, why exactly is Pete calling PC gamers pirates? He is the one that messed up.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. DSB

    PR rep in damage control mode. Nuff said.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. malakai

    The next major video game article just may be: ‘Pete Hines blames Sony, Microsoft for not approving New Vegas lag patch, Bethesda sent in the patch over a year ago.’

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Joe Musashi

    @13 Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo never fully approve anything. A testing pass will basically be a list of findings with a waiver form that the publisher signs, thereby acknowledging and taking ownership and responsibility of the issues that were found but considered permissible.

    That said, a memory leak like this, if found, would never be waived.

    JM

    #14 3 years ago
  15. Ireland Michael

    Daggerfall was far more broken than any of their recent, console generation titles ever were.

    Yet strangely, it’s still one of my all time favourites.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. registrationsux2000

    The amount of ignorance in some of these comments is embarrassing. Not one of you knows anything about what it takes to make a game like Skyrim, or the underlining differences between Gamebyro and the Creation Engine. Of course, it doesn’t seem to stop you from spewing your ill-conceived notions as if they were truth. Kindly realize your uninformed opinions are worse than meaningless – they are misleading – and refrain from sullying the internet with them in the future. Thank you. (also, Arena was Bethesda’s first game, not Daggerfall. Kids nowadays…)

    #16 3 years ago
  17. Psychotext

    “Not one of you knows anything about what it takes to make a game like Skyrim”

    Is that even relevant? The game is broken on the PS3 as it stands… and you don’t need to know the intricacies of putting a large scale game into 256mb of memory to know how fucked up it is that it was released that way.

    #17 3 years ago
  18. OrbitMonkey

    ^^Wow a whole comment about how ignorant the comments are, without any actual information pertaining as to why their ignorant? Cool. Thanks. Colour me educated.

    Or were you just making a appeal for guys to give Bethesda a break, because making a big open world game is so gosh darned difficult?

    #18 3 years ago
  19. DSB

    Psychotext said it. If you want to sell a game, you should make sure it works.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Ireland Michael

    @16 As far as I can see, not a single person actually stated anywhere that Daggerfall was their first game.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. Joe Musashi

    To be fair, I don’t think @16 is wrong in their message. Though the delivery was a teensy bit confrontational.

    Knowledge of the end product shouldn’t be confused as knowledge of its creation. I can listen to a piece of music – it doesn’t make me a composer. ;)

    JM

    #21 3 years ago
  22. DSB

    You’re still quite able to compare that piece of music with another though, and Skyrim obviously doesn’t resemble any kind of new engine. It’s just a prettied up old one.

    Of course that doesn’t allow us to speak of the specifics, but it’s still obvious that you’re looking at a renamed iteration of an engine, rather than a brand new creation (geddit?!).

    Lady GaGa looks flashier than any other pop princess, but her music still sounds exactly like Christina Aguilera or Britney Spears. I don’t have to write the songs to realize that :P

    #22 3 years ago
  23. Joe Musashi

    Harsh. The Skyrim thing is insulting enough without bringing Lady Gaga, Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears into it. :(

    Surely The Smiths would be more appropriate? :D

    JM

    #23 3 years ago
  24. DSB

    I really wouldn’t know. I’m more of a Pixies man myself :P

    I think Lady Gaga is one of the best examples of simply repackaging something you’ve seen a million times before and selling it mostly on pretense. Which isn’t exactly uncommon to the games industry.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. Joe Musashi

    So, what you’re saying is Lady Gaga = Zelda. Gotcha.

    Which one is Led Zep then?

    JM

    #25 3 years ago
  26. DSB

    I don’t know, did Led Zep rip anybody off? I know they played one of their first gigs at a Danish highschool, but my knowledge of 60′s era prog is pretty limited. I know Lemmy used to be in Hawkwind?

    I’m confused now.

    But yeah, Lady Gaga is Zelda on the Wii. And Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera are Zelda on the Gamecube. Same old story, different controls :P

    #26 3 years ago
  27. Joe Musashi

    Achievement Unlocked: Derail Complete!

    JM

    #27 3 years ago
  28. DSB

    Hawkwind is Saints Row The Third, Led Zeppelin is Serious Sam 3, Horslips is Skyrim, Black Sabbath is Arkham City and Rainbow is Portal 2 because it’s better than all of the above.

    Holy shit, is that the noise guy from Police Academy?!

    #28 3 years ago
  29. deathgaze

    @16: Uhhh, I’ve modded on every Elder Scrolls game since Morrowind. It’s still the Same. Damn. Engine. Oh, and I have a degree in Game Design and Production as well and code small demo projects in my spare time.

    So your comments basically amount to the pot calling the kettle black.

    #29 3 years ago
  30. chipvideo

    I think Bethesda should pull support for future games on the playstaion consoles. They should just go with the 360 and PC.

    #30 3 years ago
  31. OrbitMonkey

    ^ oh definitely, it’s not like the 360/pc versions have any problems… Oh wait they do!!

    Still nice try at trolling little man ;-)

    #31 3 years ago
  32. DSB

    Trolling console fanboys is about as challenging as punching a woman in the face to make her cry. Gets ‘em every time!

    #32 3 years ago
  33. AZZAMIN1

    FUK this i had to do loads of work to convince my parents to buy me this game for IT FUK UP AFTER A WHILE OF PLAYING I WANT MY MONEY BACK FUK YOU BETHESDA FUK YOU YOU FAT LAZY FAGS SPEND SOME TIME MAKING GAMES BEFORE YOU FUCK OF TO McDONALDS OR SOME SHIT FUKKKK YOOOUUUU

    #33 3 years ago
  34. AZZAMIN1

    FUCK YOU BETHESDA SPEND SOME TIME MAKING GAMES BEFORE YOU FUCK OF TO McDONALDS YOU FAT LAZY FUKS FUK YOUUUUUU

    #34 3 years ago
  35. DarkElfa

    #33 & 34, youmadbro?

    #35 3 years ago
  36. Ireland Michael

    @35 Kid’s clearly got anger issues.

    #36 3 years ago

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  • Battlefield Hardline now available for pre-order, pre-download on Xbox One

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  • Dying Light interactive video allows you switch between day and night

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  • Havoc DLC for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare out on PS3, PS4; PC delayed

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  • Here’s a teaser for Resident Evil Revelations 2: Episode 2

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  • North American eShop update is full of Donkey Kong games

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  • Venture into the Valley of the Yetis next week in Far Cry 4

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  • The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack out for Payday 2, has dino masks

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  • Battle Chasers slated for PC, consoles; comic picks up where 2001 storyline left off

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  • Shovel Knight, Hotline Miami 2 discounted for Sony’s annual Spring Fever Sale

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  • The gold Super Mario amiibo is a Walmart exclusive

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  • Here’s an overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD

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  • Final Fantasy 15 video gives you a look at the game’s wildlife

    A new video shown by Final Fantasy 15 director Hajime Tabata during the latest Active Time Report, contains a look at the game’s wildlife and ecology. You can watch the full stream two hour stream through here, or a smaller clip courtesy of GamesHQMedia below.

  • Lionhead ventures into the free-to-play space with Fable Legends

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  • Win! 5 pairs of tickets to the Call of Duty European Championships

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  • Republique Remastered has released on Mac and PC

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  • LA Cops coming to Xbox One in March

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  • We have $500 of Steam Wallet funds to giveaway!

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  • Lapsed Final Fantasy 14 players tempted back with 10 day freebie

    Square is offering lapsed FF 14: A Realm Reborn players a chance to come back to the game for 10 days worth of free adventuring. Provided you’ve already bought and registered an account you’ll be able to play free of charge from Feb 27 to March 9. Square wants you to sample the new content […]

  • Advanced Warfare: Sledgehammer looking at “opportunities” to recreate classic Call of Duty maps

    Sledgehammer Games has told VG247 it’s looking at opportunities to recreate classic Call of Duty maps in Advanced Warfare. According to co-founder Michael Condrey, players of the latest Havoc DLC are asking how Exo abilities and verticality can be added to classic franchise maps. “We’re taking a look at some opportunities to really highlight the […]

  • GTA Online reader playlist week 7: and the winner is…

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  • Leaked screens reveal The Reef as Destiny’s new “social space”

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  • Darksiders creator teases Battle Chasers game

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  • Infamous video nasty Axe recreated in GTA 5

    The trailer for notorious horror movie Axe has been recreated in GTA 5. The shot for shot remake is the work of gigerbrick who has previously recreated exploitation flicks like Machete and Hostel using Lego. The original Axe movie was banned in 1984 in the UK but passed with cuts in the late 1990s. Movie […]

  • Payday 2 for PS4 and Xbox One includes “a year’s worth of paid DLC” for free

    Payday 2: Crimewave Edition will include a year’s worth of paid DLC from the PC version of the game for free. The new-gen version of the game will be available June 2015, and includes almost all of the paid and free DLC released so far for Overkill’s popular first-person shooter. That DLC includes The Big […]

  • Yes, Mortal Kombat X will require Xbox Live Gold or PS Plus

    Mortal Kombat X won’t bypass Microsoft and Sony’s premium online play requirements. Reports that Mortal Kombat X wouldn’t require PS Plus or Xbox Live Gold started circling earlier this week thanks to a communications error. Answering fan questions on Twitter, producer Shaun Himmerick accidentally gave the impression that premium console subs would not be required […]

  • This is what Destiny players most want next

    Destiny patch 1.1.1 has resolved or at least addressed a number of complaints voiced by the community, but there are plenty more. des Destiny community manage David “Deej” Dague has put out a call for Guardians to share their concerns – or rather, what they think the community is most concerned about. “Set aside your […]

  • Google AI can play games now, so we’re probably all going to die

    Google has brought us one step closer to our inevitable slaughter or enslavement by machine overlords. Google has developed an AI that can learn to play video games and devise brand new strategies. Let me just rephrase that: Google has created an AI that can teach itself new skills, including how to play video games. […]

  • First footage of Renowned Explorers: International Society surfaces

    Renowned Explorers: International Society is a turn-based strategy game from the team behind Reus, and it looks great. Renowned Explorers was announced almost a full year ago, but has been pretty quiet since then. Developer Abbey games has now announced that the game has hit alpha, and will be open to select testers soon. You […]

  • Cities: Skylines developer commits to mod support

    Cities: Skylines will fully support the modding community. Hailing from famously mod-friendly publisher Paradox, Cities: Skylines is a no-brainer for mod support – especially as a lack of mod support is one of the things SimCity was so heavily criticised for when it firts launched. In the developer diary below, Paradox’s Jakob Munthe is joined […]

  • Nosgoth update adds Vanguard, many fixes

    Nosgoth, the free-to-play multiplayer brawler set in the Legacy of Kain universe, has been given a significant makeover. The major feature of the latest Nosogth game update is a new playable human character called the Vanguard. “Equipped with mighty throwing axes and a shield, the Vanguard can take more punishment than any human class that […]

  • Xbox Live Gold 12 month sub $40 on Microsoft store

    Microsoft is offering $20 off 12 month Xbox Live Gold subscriptions at the moment. An Xbox Live Gold 12 month subscription will normally set you back $60, but a Microsoft Store promotion has it on offer for $40. The offer is restricted to the US store. Although you can opt to grab your sub as […]

  • Tomb Raider movie script to be penned by TMNT writer

    Tomb Raider will be Evan Daugherty’s second reboot of an established universe. The Tomb Raider movie reboot has signed on a writer and a distributor. Deadline reports Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Divergent, Snow White And The Huntsman and G.I. Joe 3 writer Daugherty will write the film. Additionally, Warner Bros. has signed on to distribute, […]

  • Shelter 2 pre-orders open, launch trailer debuts early

    Shelter 2 is a game in which you are a mother lynx and must protect a den of kittens. Yes, it’s delightful. Shelter 2 is coming to Mac and PC on March 9. Pre-orders are now available on Steam at 10% off or on GOG.com with a free skin and soundtrack, or 20% off if […]

  • That Batman: Arkham Knight trailer is full of codes

    Batman: Arkham Knight’s trailer is like a Transformer – there’s more than meets the eye. The new Batman: Arkham Knight trailer contains a number of codes. Eagle-eyed users have spotted four so far, and work on cracking their meaning is progressing. According to an /r/games thread rounding up results so far, the codes pertain to […]

  • Assassin’s Creed haystacks won’t save you from a fall

    Assassin’s Creed fans, don’t try this at home. Assassin’s Creed characters can survive falls of almost any distance as long as they aim for the haystacks scattered handily throughout the environment. As you probably deduced from your familiarity with common sense, this isn’t a real thing: falling from heights kills you, the same way a […]

  • Why are people buying PS4 and not Xbox One?

    PS4 is outselling Xbox One – but why? A new report may have the answer. Last month, the PS4 outsold the Xbox One in the US again, returning it to the top of the charts after just two months away. Why? What has caused this reversal in fortunes in Microsoft’s home territory? According to a […]