Modern Warfare 3 more easily updated than previous CoD games

Good.

So put out a half ass game and then fix problems after launch? its bad enough that they are running this game on mw1 engine. i’m guessing sledgehammer couldn’t figure out how to use IW 4.0.
dudes are just pissing on their own feet.

what update? wth r they talking about? this looks like a dog ate mw1 and then pooped w/e was left of it.

That’s nice.

Can you update it enough to make you game not shit?

No?

Okay then.

You haters really need to crawl back in your holes. The only argument you see is “blah blah blah shit shit shit shit”. I’m impressed by your capability to make a factual judgement. One could think you are 13 years old.

Has anyone even been to CoD XP and played the game? I don’t think so. So how does anyone of you know that the game is shit?

We don’t need to. We’ve already played it five times before.

That’s kinda the point.

^ You hate it, but have still played it the last 5 times? Riiiiiight, your just the guy to listen to o_O

These new quicker updates just mean that when a gun is considered OP by noobs who can’t help but run around getting shot in the face, infinity ward can rush in and nerf it

I said “we”, not me. As in the general consensus that it’s basically the same game every year that people have been playing.

In case you didn’t know, I make a living in video game journalist. I’ve rented out the previous games mind you just so I can put my money where my mouth is and have an informed opinion on the subject.

I’ll likely rent this as well, simply so I can make a final critical opinion on the product. Unless it’s significantly improved in both design and mechanics from the previous games though, I’m expecting to come to the exact same conclusion as I have with the previous games.

So yes, my point still stands. It’s the same game we’ve all played five times already.

General concencus? You’re fooling yourself into believing that the tiny minority of pathetically vocal CoD haters that you align yourself with are somehow the majority! LOL!

That’s why your opinions are so weak and meaningless that they hardly warrant a response 90% of the time.

Sorry, but the general concensus among the vast majority of FPS playing gamers is that the CoD MP is the best FPS MP around. Bar none, hands down, no contest, etc, etc. That’s why it’s at the top of so many Most Played charts.

Not just one version.

Multiple versions!

Now, it may well be the majority opinion in your little group of… …I dunno, how ever many friends you may have, but the VAST MAJORITY of gamers KNOW that there’s a huge difference between versions. (Compare CoD3 to BO, for example. That’s if you can stop sucking so badly that you can stay alive for more than 2 minutes.)

Not visually, by any means. Of course, we all know that they’ve continued to use the same engine, but then, I suppose it takes a bit of brain power to figure out that just because a game uses the same engine, it doesn’t mean that it’s exactly (or even “basically”) the same game.

@9
“In case you didn’t know, I make a living in video game journalist.”

Who are you in?

I hope it’s not Pat.

Of course it was easier. Click on MW2 folder. Press Ctrl-C. Create MW3 folder and then press Ctrl-V.

@11 He delivers lunch to Eurogamer

@13:

Someone didn’t read past the title of the story before trolling…

@10 The general consensus around here. Should have been more specific.

Let’s be more specific.

How about…

‘The general concensus of visitors to this website who post negative comments (troll) in CoD (and BF) articles.’

If you actually think the CoD playerbase is made up of avid FPS fans, you’re seriously deluded about your favourite game.

“Bar none, hands down, no contest, etc, etc. That’s why it’s at the top of so many Most Played charts.”

It’s top of the Most Played charts because it has the biggest advertising budget of any game every made, bar none.

@18 Er no Ireland, its because people LIKE it. That’s all. We know you don’t get it, thats cool. I don’t get fishing… at all. But you won’t hear me accusing the people who do like it of being simpletons… That’s not cool.

What is it with this game that irks some folks so much?
I mean its not as if people are been dragged in at gunpoint to buy the game.(pardon the pun )
I will readily admit that mw3 sp was fairly bad but most buy for the multi anyway which is just good fun and easy to get in to but more difficult to master.

If I don’t like a game I don’t buy it end of.
It makes me laugh at every mw thread, its guaranteed at least 20+ replys.
There games ffs why the fuss about something you dont like or are no good at.

@19 I don’t get it? You’re the one who doesn’t understand how business works.

Bigger advertising budget = more sales.

Twilight is not popular because it’s good. It’s popular because it was advertised like crazy and the lowest common denominator of the public noticed it.

Lady Gaga is not popular because she’s good. She’s popular because she was advertised like crazy and the lowest common denominator of the public noticed her.

Call of Duty is not popular because it’s good. It’s popular because it was advertised like crazy and the lowest common denominator of the public noticed it.

Popularity has never, in the entire history of media, equalled quality. In fact, it’s statically supported that the most critically applauded creations of any medium are often the worst selling.

“But you won’t hear me accusing the people who do like it of being simpletons… That’s not cool.”

I’m not saying that you’re a simpleton if you play it. I’m saying that the majority of the people who play it are. 13 year old kids (who should be monitored better by their parents) and lazy, basement dwelling males whose entire breath of gaming experience is Halo, Call of Duty and Gears of War.

“What is it with this game that irks some folks so much?”

@20 It’s shit. It’s boring. It’s the same damn game every single year, bar a few minor changes behind the scene. It has made absolutely no attempt to grow in any shape or form in nearly half a decade.

It’s the exact kind of thing that anyone interested in the continued health of the gaming industry as any sort of creative medium completely despises.

A medium that doesn’t allow any sort of room for creativity is one that can’t sustain itself, because 1) monopolising the market kills competition, and 2) consumers will eventually get bored – the music and film industry realised this years ago.

CoD isn’t popular because it’s good, it’s been proven time & time again that popularity ≠ quality. Call of Duty would be nothing without it’s name & the publicity it receives. It’s a very basic game & that’s what the average gamer wants & that’s fine, just don’t mistake quantity for quality.

God the hate for this game is getting pretty boring now. If you don’t like it, leave it. Nobodies forcing you to play it.

While others cry out their lungs arguing which game is better, i’ll play both.

@22: Agree, same goes for Halo.

“It’s top of the Most Played charts because it has the biggest advertising budget of any game every made, bar none.”

Come on Michael!

That’s such a lazy response. You’re not even trying now.

Please, you can do better than that. Surely?

All the advertising in the world isn’t going to keep people playing your game, day in, day out, over and over again for months (or years) on end.

If the game was bad. People would stop playing it (just like you stopped playing it). It’s as simple as that, and you know it.

I concede that advertising can give you huge sales.

Can it keep people coming back to your game for more and more on a daily basis?

Never.

You can’t argue with people who say Max Payne was shit and then call CoD fanbase ’13 years old kids and basement dwelling males’. That’s too conflicting.

Besides, CoD isn’t being played ’cause it’s basic but rather ’cause it’s fun.

Not to mention comparisons to Halo are asinine, CoD is like Halo with everyone having a power weapon from the start. Try your quick scoping and spraying then show me the BR/Dmr k.d.

I think you might want to reconsider the general demographic Michael. The core FPS players are out in force for CoD every year, just as much as the civilians. The world’s best pro gamers play it, and the worlds best pro gaming leagues include at least one CoD title every year.

MW2 has seemingly been left out, probably due to ignoring the pro gaming leagues, but that hasn’t stopped the worlds best pro gamers, like Fatal1ty from playing it.

So if pro gamers aren’t the core’s core’s core, then who are?

Personally I’ve been playing shooters since Wolfenstein, and I have absolutely no problem appreciating the mechanics of CoD’s multiplayer. I have no idea why anyone would buy it for the singleplayer though. At best, I’d consider that an interlude, before you start the multiplayer.

Secondly, you can only sell a bad product once. As much as I’m sure it hurts the internet-dwelling anti-CoD intelligentsia (not you, per se) we’re buying these games because they’re the most fun you can have in a shooter these days.

The notion that we’re all somehow braindead, brainwashed kids who see everybody else eating a shit sandwich and go “OH YUMMY LET ME GET THAT!” is really just some peoples way of making themselves feel better, and in some cases a sad way of portraying themselves as more qualified for liking the “smaller game”. Personally I’m a 26 year old man who never gave a fuck what other people were doing. I buy it because it’s a formula I know, and because that formula is good.

Even if I didn’t like Blops, and even if I’m skeptical about MW3.

In terms of MW2, which I consider the best, it’s fast, the weapons are precise, their damage is high, and it awards people who outdo the rest with the ability to rain shit down on their competitors. I don’t see how that wouldn’t be entertaining for anyone who loves to play online, and especially those that like to compete when they do.

@ 21.
But sure that’s the way it is these days.
Just look at the amount of x factor big brother type reality shows going on.
As for our press well don’t get me started on that one.
People buy into everything from clothes to coca cola.
Nothing new there really.

I play lots of on line games from halo to kz to cod resistance and at the end of the day there all rinse and repeat.
What I enjoy is going up against other players and been able to hold my own now and again.

If I enjoy something mindless what’s wrong with that really?
I mean getting drunk is an example and people do it all the time.

Its just getting away from reality for a bit at the end of the day.
Most of us lead busy lives and its nice just to chill with something you know is fiction and also a good laugh.

I just don’t get the hate for this particular game really.
I played bc1 and it was a campers paradise.
Tried the mag demo and as soon as I farted I was sniped.

These games are great but what spoils everyone of them is a little thing called human nature.

I have no inkling to get all serious with my clan so I can get kudos.
In fact I joined a clan on KZ3 called pooh pooh heads because the idea was no one gave a fiddlers what way you played as long as it was a laugh.

Just go to some of these games forums and the bitching is sad at times.
Why did they change this or there will never be another game x they completely destroyed the franchise etc etc.

I have enough problems staying alive for more than 10 seconds to worry about that shit.:)

Most people just go on and play with randoms and cod does that pretty well which is the main reason it is so popular imo.

“What is it with this game that irks some folks so much?”

You want to know what it is, reask?

Some people love games and the games industry. They spend most of their free time playing games, and for them it’s an escape from many of the things that they don’t like about real life.

These people just can’t get their heads around the fact that they just don’t like the most popular game around today. They’re supposed to be gamers, but they don’t enjoy what the vast majority say is the best game! So because of this, they come to the conclusion that there’s either something wrong with the game, or there’s something wrong with them.

So which conclusion do you think they’re going to settle on?

They have this cosy little world infront of the TV, where they’re ‘safe from the hardships of the real world’, but now it’s being invaded from the inside by the kind of people they’re trying to get away from.

Groups of little bullying kids, who beat them, then rub it in!

They can’t handle it. They can’t handle that the game’s so popular with the kind of people that they hate. They can’t handle that they’re no good at the game. They can’t handle that the game doesn’t offer them a big wall of safety that they find in other games.

So they try to convince everyone else that the game is rubbish. It must be rubbish, because there sure isn’t anything wrong with them, eh?

So they troll articles, day after day… This game looks bad! This game hasn’t changed, etc, etc.

Lets face it reask, if the game looked better than any other game ever made before, and if it was so radically innovative that it did things that no other dev could replicate for years to come, they’d just find another reason to hate on it.

Because, lets face it. They’d still be useless at the game, and they’d still get hammered by little kids.

I think the reason COD gets so many people ticked at it is because of the attention it gets. Not just in peoples systems, but in the media. You would think that this was the greatest game of all time.

Its not.

But the hype, the advertising, the exposure the game gets convinces alot of people that it is something that they absolutly must have.

Its like own it, play it, love it … or there is something fundamentaly wrong with you.

But most of the gaming public is pretty much braindead at this point. We buy yearly updates to a whole aray of sports games. We buy franchise games as if they are the only options on the shelf. We buy Gears of War while Vanquish doesn’t get enough sales. We buy MP FPS games as if they have a lock on fun.

In the end it really doesn’t matter if your fav flavor os sameness is COD, BF, Halo, or whatever. It really is a repeatitive twitchfest.

Weather people are happy somewhere deep inside with the game, doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is that mass amounts of people buy it. Again, this year. That way we can have the same franchise again, next year.

In my mind COD is just one game on top of a steaming pile crap of same old shit.

Do I enjoy another MP FPS more then COD? Yes. Do I play that game alot? Am I dedicated to learning its ever nuance, hoping to find exploits to better my standing in some virtual ranking system? Nope.

They are just games.

But to ask people why they seem to always hate on COD is silly. The answer is staring you right in the face. The game has grown too big, gets too much attention, and takes market share away from other games(to the point of other game devs/pubs trying hard to mimic COD).

Just imagine, your a COD fan, and for some unexplained reason MW3 doesn’t sell. It doesn’t meat expectations. But BF3(or some new franchise) snatches up 60-80% of the market share, selling squillions of copies. Just imagine how puzzled you would be? And then imagine how (maybe others/maybe you) could easily reasent the one game franchise – that you never cared for anyways – for pushing out your fav game?

Easy if you try.

I think that is the jist of COD hate.

I would have to agree with Ghz post. Hit the nail on the head really.

“Its like own it, play it, love it … or there is something fundamentaly wrong with you.”

That’s spot on, OG.

That’s the secret formula that turns otherwise rational relatively sensible people into internet trolls.

They need to wake up and realise that it’s NOT ‘either/or’.

It’s not ‘the game’ or ‘them’.

They need to stop feeling so insecure.

I don’t always agree with you OG but this time I couldn’t agree more.

“Secondly, you can only sell a bad product once.”

Britney Spears says hi. Lady Gaga says hi. Justin Bieber says hi. Star Wars says hi. The Fast and the Furious says hi. Guitar Hero says hi. Resistance says hi.

You can sell the biggest pilling steams of shit you want, and people will still buy it simply because it’s the only thing they’ve been exposed to and they don’t possess the mental capacity to appreciate anything of higher quality.

“These people just can’t get their heads around the fact that they just don’t like the most popular game around today.”

And some of us… simply think it’s shit. Really, it is actually that simple for many of us. Here it is again: Some of us simply think it’s shit.

Hard to comprehend, I know.

Good post, OG.

I think it’s pretty obvious that that’s the case. Pretty much from the time it came out until we hit Modern Warfare, CoD was always doing the same thing from game to game. Nothing changed except the scenery, and as long as the games were only selling 3-5 million, there was no harm done to anyones mind, and people felt good about enjoying it.

Then you hit 10 million with Modern Warfare, and it suddenly became “everybody’s game”. And that’s when you start to get peoples panties in a twist.

If you read a lot of the posts, people seem to focus an awful lot on the succes of the game, or who they believe is playing it, rather than what the game actually delivers. Before CoD hit 10 million, it was a landmark series to most peoples minds, but as soon as it went above, it was ALL WRONG!

Compare it to a game like Madden NFL. Not only is it a game on a 1 year development cycle, but it’s also a game that’s been going in the wrong direction, and alienating its players for the better part of 5 years. So why isn’t this game being pounded on by angry gamers? To me that’s easy, it just doesn’t sell enough.

6 million copies/year = Cool
20 million copies/year = So uncool

I really don’t agree with G1GA, sorry man. But people don’t hate COD because they get bullied. You can’t claim that people that don’t enjoy one flavor of MP FPS are just weak, while the ones that do are somehow dominate. Thats just crazy.

A video game is a video game, period.

And the majority of kids that own a game(anygame) have had to have their parents buy it for them. Bully or not. And the reason they ask their parents to buy one franchise over another is peer preasure and advertising. Kids are extremly suseptible to both.

It isn’t about playing the better game(and say that out loud to hear how stupid such an arguement is anyways), but instead when a kid has his parents preorder the game before its even out … that peer preasure, advertising, etc.

And I know your not implying that only kids play COD anyways.

I was just saying, i don’t think builying has anything to do with owning a game. Neither, btw, does being good or bad at it. Fact is, if you can play one MP FPS, you can pretty much play em all.

The whole COD VS BF thing is like Coke VS Pepsi anyways. Both cola softdrinks.

@35 Coca Cola sucks.

I don’t get the obsession with the underdogs some people ‘re having. Vanquish and Gears were mentioned in this thread, well tell you what, people don’t buy the former ’cause it doesn’t have enough value. Sad but true.

@37 Quality > Quantity.

@Michael You don’t just think it’s shit, though. You think you know it’s shit, and that it should be truth to anyone.

It’s not going to be, we’re still having fun.

Lady Gaga doesn’t sell a lot of records, and Britney Spears hasn’t for a long time. Their products mostly consist of blindsiding people into accepting a place for them above the rest of society, and then charging people to come and look at them. That’s hardly comparable to a box you take home with you from a Gamestop, but I have no problem conceding that in terms of the brainfood, CoD is certainly on the same level as movies like Transformers and Rambo 3.

The thing is, though, a game doesn’t have to be high brow, intellectually stimulating, emotionally moving or socially relevant, to be fun.

Because unlike Lady Gaga, Transformers, or fuckin’ Larry The Cableguy, it isn’t a passive show unfolding before your eyes, it’s an activity you have to take part in.

So you can call it low brow as much as you like, I’d say going shooting with a bunch of rednecks, or mudding in an old 4-door sedan is pretty low brow as well – But it’s still a fucking good time!

Vanquish didn’t offer quality.. playing against AI in any shooter couldn’t be compared to even mediocre human players.

Besides, Ghz wasn’t calling other players ‘weak’, it’s just their inflated perception of demanding games that he was referring to.

@34, You’re correct, a lot of people find it insulting when a simple game that’s average in every single aspect in their perspective, beating visually & mechanically stronger games.

If you don’t like something, don’t buy it.

What do ye actually hope to accomplish by disparaging something on the internet?
Nobody’s going to change popular opinion, and despite all that’s been said, I enjoy Call of Duty games. Sure some are mechanically better (Battlefield), some are more innovative (Bulletstorm), some are more artistic (Child of Eden), but that doesn’t stop CoD from being fun, or stop me from buying it, along with the others I’ve mentioned.

Get over yerselves.

DSB’s correct above. Back when Activision, Infinity Ward and Treyarch were churning out one Call of Duty a year, that sold under a million copies, nobody complained. Then they got popular, and suddenly it’s OH SHIT THESE ARE THE WORST GAMES EVER.

Hypocrites.

@41 I suppose those people should evaluate their petty need to dictate to others what it is correct to buy and what’s not. Last time I checked, the world was a bit more complex than that, and people actually had the ability to choose and think for themselves.

I can’t see why I should sympathize with whiners who apparently don’t realize or accept that.

I didn’t say bullying was the reason.

I made the point that people just don’t like liking the same things as people that they don’t like.

If you hate football fans, but you love Pavaroti, and next year Pavaroti (who’s dead, I know, but I can’t be bothered to think of another example) releases a world cup song that all the hooligans love and sing in every public space in the country, you’re going to end up hating that song.

Why, because you associate it with everything you despise about those people.

Just like CoD.

I’m not saying that they get bullied, but they just don’t like the people who play it. They can’t stand that it makes them happy, and they can’t stand that many of them are very good at the game.

Pepsi sucks ass! Only drunk by kids & retards!! Coke Cola ftw!!

“If you hate football fans, but you love Pavaroti, and next year Pavaroti (who’s dead, I know, but I can’t be bothered to think of another example) releases a world cup song that all the hooligans love and sing in every public space in the country, you’re going to end up hating that song.”

Only if you’re an idiot who can only think in simplistic, consumer-driven ways. If the song is good, it’ll always be good, no matter what its associated with.

My dislike of the Call of Duty games has absolutely nothing to do with their popularity, and it never will. Any franchise that rehashes the same exact shit every single year is shit as far as I’m concerned.

“@Michael You don’t just think it’s shit, though. You think you know it’s shit, and that it should be truth to anyone.”

No I don’t. I just think it’s shit.

Buy it all you want. Play it as much as you want. I’m still going to think it’s shit though.

“So you can call it low brow as much as you like.”

It’s low brow even amongst the low brow stuff.

“I’d say going shooting with a bunch of rednecks, or mudding in an old 4-door sedan is pretty low brow as well – But it’s still a fucking good time!”

I guess that’s why I consider none of those a good time then. I think shooting is a barbaric, neanderthal activity, rednecks are the most annoying people on the planet, and big cars frankly don’t impress me in the slightest.

I’m a tea-cup carrying, tweed-wearing mofo though, so that’s to be expected. =P

Excuse me, but I drink Pepsi (albeit, I have a Coke addiction when in the mainland).

“And some of us… simply think it’s shit. Really, it is actually that simple for many of us. Here it is again: Some of us simply think it’s shit.”

And I never said otherwise.

You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion. And I don’t see anything wrong with you having that opinion.

There are tons of games that I don’t like.

You won’t find me endlessly trolling articles about them, though.

There’s a huge difference between genuinely not liking a game and actively bad mouthing it at every possible opportunity.

Actually BF3 vs MW3 is is like Cola vs Ice tea or something its just different sort.
MoH vs Cod or Homefront vs Cod is Cola vs Pepsi
@48 But this time Cod actually have strong ”competitor ” unlike MoH,Killzone,Homefront….

“If you don’t like something, don’t buy it.

Get over yerselves.”

This.

@46 Haha! Well, fair enough :p

I just think people should check themselves before they knock it on others behalf. I have no trouble seeing how some people wouldn’t like it, or at this point how they might just be tired of the whole thing.

It’s just the notion that I should somehow be bound by my intellect, or my right as a free human being, not to play it.

Dislike the game all you want, but that’s where I draw the line. I haven’t met anyone who enjoyed CoD for no reason.