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Friday, 19 August 2011 21:27 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

“The team is going to have some things that are going to surprise both sets of fans, both core fans and new fans with a marriage of the best from both games. One of the core values of Bioware is that we take feedback really seriously, and we know that the core fans who were expecting more Dragon Age Origins – we have to respond to that – we’re not willing to ignore that, we’re going to take that head on. We also have an obligation to our new fans, the ones who were surprised and delighted with some new approaches and accessibility in terms of action and combat.

“What we need to do as developers is take that feedback from both sets of fans to heart and see about marrying that in future games in the Dragon Age franchise. And we look forward more to talking about that in the future.” – Bioware’s Ray Muzyka to PC Gamer.

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20 Comments

  1. Lord Gremlin

    Origins was great, huge game with some frustrating elements you could easily forgive for great story and massive amount of content.
    DA2 was rushed copy-paste piece of shit with story that was absolutely idiotic in a bad way – like it was written by an idiot/retard.
    So DA3 will be a hybrid of good and shit games? Like, mediocre?
    P.S. Played both games on PS3.

    #1 4 years ago
  2. DSB

    Nice try, Doc.

    I’m sure they’d love to be getting money from both fanbases, but I’m pretty sure anyone who’s been fooled once or twice by Bioware knows better by now.

    Are you gonna make it half of a watered down RPG, or half of a generic action game?

    #2 4 years ago
  3. Erthazus

    @2, don’t be harsh on them.

    first game was decent, yes, there are a ton of problems. But it was an RPG.

    Second is no doubt – Piece of shit. Nothing to argue here.

    #3 4 years ago
  4. DSB

    @3 Oh I wasn’t putting down Origins, I’m just talking about what would happen if they only did it halfway. It wouldn’t be worth playing.

    Like you say it wasn’t the perfect game, they definitely sacrificed a lot for scale alone, but it was still the last real tactical RPG as far as I’m concerned.

    #4 4 years ago
  5. Phoenixblight

    I enjoyed both games very much. Each game had its issues. Dragon AGe Origins with its turn based combat, linear talents, overall bland areas and catatonic protagonist but it had a very deep story, lots of choices with customization with races, and lots and lots of content.

    Dragon AGe 2 had a much improved combat system which used Real time versus Turn based, lot more options with the talent system, THe protagonist speaking and having a tone system on top of the dialog wheel. The draw backs with the game is the over use of 10 areas, not as much content with game.

    If you can use the combat system and tone system and tie that with what Origins depth then they have something with DA3. I will still get DA3, I wasn’t so disappointed with DA2 that I would stop buying Bioware games. Even with the time frame that Bioware had they still could offer a decent game.

    #5 4 years ago
  6. The_Red

    DA2 was bad. Really bad. So they’ve confirmed that DA3 will suck. Thanks for the info. They just don’t care anymore.

    #6 4 years ago
  7. HighWindXIX

    I actually thought DA2 improved on a few things. The art style may be controversial but at least it wasn’t bland. I also felt that while the overall story didn’t match Origins, the other characters in your party seemed more important. Other than Alister and Morigan the Origins characters seemed very secondary. And playing as a mage in DA2, the combat definitely felt better and more engaging. Though, playing as a warrior was a very lame hack n slash experience, I’ll give you that.

    I’ve never really understood why there’s so much hate for DA2 honestly. The biggest fault I found was the reused environments but if that’s such a problem why do people not complain that everything in the first Mass Effect is a reused environment?

    #7 4 years ago
  8. Clupula

    I liked the battles in Origins. They felt like someone took the battles of FFXII and improved them. Overall, I really can’t think of a single positive to say about DA2. The artwork, the combat, the scale, the story…all of it were huge steps down.

    #8 4 years ago
  9. YoungZer0

    Good to know. I hope they keep the art-direction from the second one. It really made the series stand out from the usual rpgs. Just hope to see an engaging story, sharp writing, deeper characters, no spawn-fest, more areas, more armor (especially for mages, no robes, please), more decisions and harder consequences.

    Keep the combat the way it is. It’s fun, flashy and fluid. Tried to play Dragon Age Origins again the other day. The combat made it nearly unplayable.

    Hit. Miss. Hit. Miss. Miss. Miss. Hit.

    Wouldn’t hurt to include races again, but i think that would make things more complicated for the storytelling.

    @7: But people did complain about ME reusing the environment. A lot actually.

    #9 4 years ago
  10. DSB

    Mass Effect was a mess in most ways I can think of, but it still just sucked you in and kept you with it. That doesn’t happen a lot in my case. I don’t know if I’d prefer another mess like that, but ME2 pretty much killed the series for me, even if it was far better engineered.

    #10 4 years ago
  11. Sini

    You can’t fix what trash like dragon age has become. When you produce a sequel and all 12 player characters are not interesting/charismatic, you are doomed from the start on the next game unless you fire the writing/design team.

    #11 4 years ago
  12. Jorge

    I won’t put my faith in BioWare for DA3. No interest here. I’ll wait, but I won’t let my hopes up for this as I did for DA2.

    They just can’t aim to make a good RPG when they have the console factor in mind at all costs.

    #12 4 years ago
  13. Erthazus

    @12, word!

    Thats the only thing that stops it.

    I still believe that original Neverwinter Nights is the best RPG Bioware has ever made (or the best WRPG ever to be honest) + Baldurs Gate 2 ofc.

    #13 4 years ago
  14. Lord Gremlin

    @12 You know, Demon’s Souls was a PS3 exclusive yet had a lot of character stats, attributes and abilities plus weapons and enemies got their stats, attributes and abilities, and when I look at DA2 it looks pathetic in comparison. Well, DS is a bit light on the story, but DA2′s story is just shit.
    Also, in Demon’s Souls you make a choice in the end that actually matters and impacts you and the whole world.
    FFS, maybe they should have made DA2 PS3 exclusive… Heh, maybe not, but it has little to do with platform. It has to do with time, effort and having an idiot as a game designer.

    #14 4 years ago
  15. nikk900

    I think it would be best if it was just origins with DA2 combat.

    #15 4 years ago
  16. GwynbleiddiuM

    The problem isn’t in console vs PC, it’s the money that is the problem. DA2 was the perfect example of hit and run robbery, they just robbed customers and got away with it, they did not put time and resources to create a great sequel to a fairly good game, they just wanted to make profit and get even for the time and resources they have put on Origins and it didn’t payed off as much as they expected.

    You see, just like #15 said, Demon’s Soul is a descent RPG and console exclusive too and it did well enough that the developers decided to take a bigger step with the new game their making. It’s the crowd, that’s where the problem lies. Today’s generation of gamers are the easy going and carefree types, they just looking to spend some time on games and feel rewarded by sitting there and doing tasks befitting of a glorified mule. Yeepee I unlocked 20 ribbons with one headshot, yay. They don’t have the time, passion and patience to appreciate and sense of curiosity to sit down and experience good elements of any game. I give you an example, I keep begging my brother (younger) to sit and play some Diablo II with me, he says, that game is old, graphics are shit, and does not bother himself to give it a try out of curiosity to see how a true action RPG looks like and plays like. First and foremost it should look absolutely gorgeous, second it should be in some level of simplicity in term of understanding the gameplay mechanics with a learning curve in Tree Frog level of comprehension so when they pick up the controller don’t get confused or get lost in the world. Art and Story doesn’t really matter for them, that’s why a game like Gears of War receive so much attention, don’t get me wrong I like how Gears of War plays, but it has the most boring, style-less, uninspiring, classless, good for nothing characters and plot and art-style.

    DA2 was a complete disaster, and by disaster, I don’t know where to begin. A pointless storyline that should sort of shape the things to come, absolutely boring characters, except the dwarf – and Dwarves are by design entertaining, when was the last time you see a dwarf and didn’t like it? – everyone else were just shit. Story was broken with so much hiccups and jumps from here to somewhere completely irrelevant, The Arishok was the only likable character in the entire game.

    The environment, oh man, I just don’t know what BioWare was thinking when copy pasting instances! Did they thought of us as bunch of clueless, tunnel vision-one-eyed idiots that can’t really notice shit?

    And the content, all gone! In the whole game I barely used 3 different armor sets and weapons. At some point I stopped giving a crap. The dialogue system, ruined. All the elements that made the Dragon Age Origins a lovable title despite all of its flaws, were just got cut out of the DA2. Everything. I fail to see how a marriage of DAO and DA2 bears any fruit but a disfigured, grotesque and disgusting infant that is suffering in pain and agony, and everyone around it suffer with it.

    #16 4 years ago
  17. DSB

    @9 Sounds to me like you were doing something very wrong. If you were playing it on a console, then that’s the first thing.

    Really, none of the fights in Origins are random, you may have a character go down from a crit, but you can guard against that in several different ways, and it’s hardly surprising in an RPG.

    You have to micro-manage every fight, use every class a certain way, and maybe there is a weakness in a class like mages essentially not be able to compromise crowd control abilities. The fact that tactics are 100% of the combat is what makes me able to play through the game twice and still love it. You can simply pick a different party line-up and the tactics will have to adapt, creating an entirely new experience.

    “Hit” should never be a major factor in Origins, it’s not like Baldurs Gate or one of those games where the dice decides your fate. If you’re missing as much as you’re hitting, then you did something terribly wrong to your character. The attack stat determines your ability to hit, dual-wielding brings it down, and a few enemies have very high avoidance.

    #17 4 years ago
  18. Samuel

    People greatly exaggerate DA2′s flaws. I just finished the game, I really enjoyed it and in fact I like it better than Origins. It does have its problems but they are minor at most and in no way qualify the game as bad overall.

    What sticks with me the most are the improvements in the choices you can make in the story, interactions with companions, combat, etc. and not the fact that there were some repetitive environments and spawning enemies, because those really didn’t have much of a negative impact on the game for me at all. Some people take issue with the fact that the story is set mainly in one city, which I actually really liked about it, but again, if you don’t like that, that doesn’t make the game bad, that just means you personally didn’t like it.

    With people’s reaction to this game I see a lot of “well I had this one gripe with it that wasn’t how I wanted the game to be, so I rate it a zero.”

    #18 4 years ago
  19. Phoenixblight

    “With people’s reaction to this game I see a lot of “well I had this one gripe with it that wasn’t how I wanted the game to be, so I rate it a zero.”

    Pretty much.

    #19 4 years ago
  20. Hellchild400

    i dont understand why people are saying DA2 is so bad i mean yea it had it flaws but dont alot of games? i have seen a lot worse games but i quite enjoyed it. DA:origins was a good game and i must admit i did prefer it to DA2 and i rather missed the characters from DA:origins but i understood the story quite well even if it was abit over the place

    #20 4 years ago

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  • Nintendo is bringing New 3DS Xl and some playable titles to PAX East

    Nintendo is bringing New 3DS Xl and Splatoon with it to PAX East next month. The E3 2014 build of the game lets eight players transform into squids in a race for “splattered-paint dominance.” Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. will also be playable and featured in stage presentations at the Nintendo booth. Upcoming or newly released Nintendo […]

  • Battlefield Hardline Premium information seems to have slipped out early

    Battlefield Hardline Premium perks have apparently leaked a bit early, according to a post on Reddit. Over on the Hardline subreddit is an image which was take at a GameStop location, noting two week early access to content additional Battlepacks and more. Here’s the rundown: Four expansions Two weeks early access 12 additional Battlepacks Exclusive […]

  • Final Fantasy: Record Keeper arrives in the US this spring

    Final Fantasy: Record Keeper will be released in the US on iOS and Android this spring, DeNA and Square Enix today. The mobile titles allows players to “relive favorite moments” across all Final Fantasy installments and build a team of classic characters from across the entire franchise. If you sign up for email updates, you […]

  • Battlefield Hardline now available for pre-order, pre-download on Xbox One

    Battlefield Hardline is now available for pre-order and pre-download on Xbox One. You can pre-order it now from the Xbox Store and once you have paid for it, you can start your pre-download. Battlefield Hardline releases on March 17, and will be made available to pre-downloaders come 12.01am EDT. Check pricing and availability for your […]

  • Dying Light interactive video allows you switch between day and night

    A new video for Dying Light has been released, which allows you to hit the Z key to change between day and night. Titles Life and Death in the Quarantine Zone, the interactive story video showcases how the game changes between day and night. Daytime and nighttime are shown side-by-side but the z key allows […]

  • Havoc DLC for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare out on PS3, PS4; PC delayed

    The Havoc DLC for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare is now available for PlayStation 3 and PS4. Havoc contains the four multiplayer maps Core, Drift, Sideshow, and Urban along with the AE4 directed energy assault rifle, its custom variant, and the Exo Zombies cooperative mode. You can purchase the DLC separately or pick up the […]

  • Here’s a teaser for Resident Evil Revelations 2: Episode 2

    A teaser video for the second episode of Resident Evil Revelations 2 is available, so if you’ve yet to play the first episode, you may want to skip this. Resident Evil Revelations 2′s first episode is out now. Thanks, GamesHQMedia.

  • North American eShop update is full of Donkey Kong games

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with Titan Attacks, Donkey Kong Land, Donkey Kong Country and more. eShop on 3DS Ironfall Invasion Titan Attacks! Donkey Kong Land – Virtual Console Donkey Kong Land 2 – Virtual Console Donkey Kong Land 3 – Virtual Console Luv Me Buddies Wonderland Around the World […]

  • Venture into the Valley of the Yetis next week in Far Cry 4

    The next batch of Far Cry 4 DLC, Valley of the Yetis, releases in March and Ajay Ghale will be tasked with surviving violent cultists and the mythical Yeti. Apparently the cult is looking for a secret hidden in the valley, and Ajay has discovered their motives. The DLC features co-op with a friend taking […]

  • The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack out for Payday 2, has dino masks

    The 19th DLC pack for Payday 2 title The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack is available on Steam from today. The pack will run you $4.99/€4.99 and features: 11 new weapon modifications for the AK rifles in the game 11 new weapon modifications for the CAR rifles in the game Four new masks together with their […]

  • Battle Chasers slated for PC, consoles; comic picks up where 2001 storyline left off

    Darksiders creator Joe Madureira and Vigil co-founder Ryan Stefanelli have confirmed a Battle Chasers game and a new comic are in the works at their new studio Airship Syndicate. Speaking to Polygon, Madureira and Stefanelli wouldn’t provide details on the the game, but did divulge it will be an adventure RPG with player-controlled Battle Chasers […]

  • Shovel Knight, Hotline Miami 2 discounted for Sony’s annual Spring Fever Sale

    Sony is hosting its annual Spring Fever Sale which runs for eight weeks and features a new title each week. The sale starts next week on March 3 with the launch of Helldivers. Here’s just a few items included in the sale: HELLDIVERS (PS4/PS3/PS Vita) March 3 Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number (PS4/PS3/PS Vita) March […]

  • The gold Super Mario amiibo is a Walmart exclusive

    The Super Mario Gold amiibo which surfaced via a CPSIA certificate earlier this month will be a Walmart-exclusive, Nintendo has announced. The gold-colored Mario amiibo will be released the same day as the Mario Party 10 game for Wii U and will run you $12,96 at 3,000 participating Walmart stores in the US. Along with […]

  • Here’s an overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD

    As new gameplay overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, culled from the Active Time Report, stream has been sent over by Square Enix. The video provides a look at the history and environments of the Kingdom of Orience; the 14 memebers of Class Zero; the battle system with customizable magic spells; and the ability […]

  • Final Fantasy 15 video gives you a look at the game’s wildlife

    A new video shown by Final Fantasy 15 director Hajime Tabata during the latest Active Time Report, contains a look at the game’s wildlife and ecology. You can watch the full stream two hour stream through here, or a smaller clip courtesy of GamesHQMedia below.

  • Lionhead ventures into the free-to-play space with Fable Legends

    Fable Legends will be free-to-play when it launches on PC and Xbox One. According to Lionhead, the one versus four cross-platform title borrows from MOBA games such as Dota 2 and League of Legends as it will contain free, rotating heroes which will be added to a roster for a two week period. Once the […]

  • Win! 5 pairs of tickets to the Call of Duty European Championships

    We have five pairs of tickets to giveaway for the Call of Duty European Championships, taking place in London this weekend. The event takes place this Saturday February 28 and Sunday March 1 at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden. Winners can watch teams will go head to head for a $10,000 prize pot […]

  • Republique Remastered has released on Mac and PC

    Republique Remastered, which was announced earlier this month, is now available for Mac and PC. The game is 20% off through Steam, GOG and the Humble Store for $19.99 until March 4. Thereafter, it will run you $24.99. The Remastered edition contains all five episodes of the game, with 1-3 available now and the remaining […]

  • LA Cops coming to Xbox One in March

    Isometric shooter LA Cops is coming to Xbox One on March 13. Already on Steam Early Access, the game looks like it’s been heavily inspired by Hotline Miami. Walk into a room, open fire, leave bloody puddles in your wake. It’s being published by Team 17. Check out the video below for some 70s cop […]

  • We have $500 of Steam Wallet funds to giveaway!

    We’re giving away 10 Steam Wallet prizes worth $50 each to VG247 readers, courtesy of Bundle Stars. All you need to do to be in with a chance of winning $50 Steam credit is to enter your details below. Join the Bundle Stars Steam group for entry in the sweepstake, and gain extra entries for […]

  • Lapsed Final Fantasy 14 players tempted back with 10 day freebie

    Square is offering lapsed FF 14: A Realm Reborn players a chance to come back to the game for 10 days worth of free adventuring. Provided you’ve already bought and registered an account you’ll be able to play free of charge from Feb 27 to March 9. Square wants you to sample the new content […]

  • Advanced Warfare: Sledgehammer looking at “opportunities” to recreate classic Call of Duty maps

    Sledgehammer Games has told VG247 it’s looking at opportunities to recreate classic Call of Duty maps in Advanced Warfare. According to co-founder Michael Condrey, players of the latest Havoc DLC are asking how Exo abilities and verticality can be added to classic franchise maps. “We’re taking a look at some opportunities to really highlight the […]

  • GTA Online reader playlist week 7: and the winner is…

    Stuff was shot. But only one player emerged victorious. GTA Online player e031271 won last night’s VG247 reader playlist, beating myself, Matt and regulars solidorwot and Revolting. Congratulations, Mr e031271. A deserved victory. We play a GTA Online playlist in an open session every Wednesday on PS4, because it’s both funny and fun. Anyone’s welcome […]

  • Leaked screens reveal The Reef as Destiny’s new “social space”

    A handful of leaked Destiny screens seem to confirm that The Reef location will be the new social space in Destiny. The new addition is likely to be revealed as part of the upcoming House of Wolves expansion. Reddit user Megamanexe4 dropped the screens on the site earlier this morning, along with grabs that reveal […]

  • Darksiders creator teases Battle Chasers game

    Joe Madureira, creator of Darksiders, has released art that strongly suggests a Battle Chasers game is in the works. Battle Chasers was a comic book from the late 1990s that suffered notorious production problems between issues and was never finished. Madureira formed Airship Syndicate after the collapse of THQ, where he co-created Darksiders. His latest […]

  • Infamous video nasty Axe recreated in GTA 5

    The trailer for notorious horror movie Axe has been recreated in GTA 5. The shot for shot remake is the work of gigerbrick who has previously recreated exploitation flicks like Machete and Hostel using Lego. The original Axe movie was banned in 1984 in the UK but passed with cuts in the late 1990s. Movie […]

  • Payday 2 for PS4 and Xbox One includes “a year’s worth of paid DLC” for free

    Payday 2: Crimewave Edition will include a year’s worth of paid DLC from the PC version of the game for free. The new-gen version of the game will be available June 2015, and includes almost all of the paid and free DLC released so far for Overkill’s popular first-person shooter. That DLC includes The Big […]

  • Yes, Mortal Kombat X will require Xbox Live Gold or PS Plus

    Mortal Kombat X won’t bypass Microsoft and Sony’s premium online play requirements. Reports that Mortal Kombat X wouldn’t require PS Plus or Xbox Live Gold started circling earlier this week thanks to a communications error. Answering fan questions on Twitter, producer Shaun Himmerick accidentally gave the impression that premium console subs would not be required […]

  • This is what Destiny players most want next

    Destiny patch 1.1.1 has resolved or at least addressed a number of complaints voiced by the community, but there are plenty more. des Destiny community manage David “Deej” Dague has put out a call for Guardians to share their concerns – or rather, what they think the community is most concerned about. “Set aside your […]

  • Google AI can play games now, so we’re probably all going to die

    Google has brought us one step closer to our inevitable slaughter or enslavement by machine overlords. Google has developed an AI that can learn to play video games and devise brand new strategies. Let me just rephrase that: Google has created an AI that can teach itself new skills, including how to play video games. […]

  • First footage of Renowned Explorers: International Society surfaces

    Renowned Explorers: International Society is a turn-based strategy game from the team behind Reus, and it looks great. Renowned Explorers was announced almost a full year ago, but has been pretty quiet since then. Developer Abbey games has now announced that the game has hit alpha, and will be open to select testers soon. You […]

  • Cities: Skylines developer commits to mod support

    Cities: Skylines will fully support the modding community. Hailing from famously mod-friendly publisher Paradox, Cities: Skylines is a no-brainer for mod support – especially as a lack of mod support is one of the things SimCity was so heavily criticised for when it firts launched. In the developer diary below, Paradox’s Jakob Munthe is joined […]

  • Nosgoth update adds Vanguard, many fixes

    Nosgoth, the free-to-play multiplayer brawler set in the Legacy of Kain universe, has been given a significant makeover. The major feature of the latest Nosogth game update is a new playable human character called the Vanguard. “Equipped with mighty throwing axes and a shield, the Vanguard can take more punishment than any human class that […]

  • Xbox Live Gold 12 month sub $40 on Microsoft store

    Microsoft is offering $20 off 12 month Xbox Live Gold subscriptions at the moment. An Xbox Live Gold 12 month subscription will normally set you back $60, but a Microsoft Store promotion has it on offer for $40. The offer is restricted to the US store. Although you can opt to grab your sub as […]

  • Tomb Raider movie script to be penned by TMNT writer

    Tomb Raider will be Evan Daugherty’s second reboot of an established universe. The Tomb Raider movie reboot has signed on a writer and a distributor. Deadline reports Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Divergent, Snow White And The Huntsman and G.I. Joe 3 writer Daugherty will write the film. Additionally, Warner Bros. has signed on to distribute, […]

  • Shelter 2 pre-orders open, launch trailer debuts early

    Shelter 2 is a game in which you are a mother lynx and must protect a den of kittens. Yes, it’s delightful. Shelter 2 is coming to Mac and PC on March 9. Pre-orders are now available on Steam at 10% off or on GOG.com with a free skin and soundtrack, or 20% off if […]

  • That Batman: Arkham Knight trailer is full of codes

    Batman: Arkham Knight’s trailer is like a Transformer – there’s more than meets the eye. The new Batman: Arkham Knight trailer contains a number of codes. Eagle-eyed users have spotted four so far, and work on cracking their meaning is progressing. According to an /r/games thread rounding up results so far, the codes pertain to […]

  • Assassin’s Creed haystacks won’t save you from a fall

    Assassin’s Creed fans, don’t try this at home. Assassin’s Creed characters can survive falls of almost any distance as long as they aim for the haystacks scattered handily throughout the environment. As you probably deduced from your familiarity with common sense, this isn’t a real thing: falling from heights kills you, the same way a […]

  • Why are people buying PS4 and not Xbox One?

    PS4 is outselling Xbox One – but why? A new report may have the answer. Last month, the PS4 outsold the Xbox One in the US again, returning it to the top of the charts after just two months away. Why? What has caused this reversal in fortunes in Microsoft’s home territory? According to a […]