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Cross-game chat isn’t possible on PS3 due to RAM restrictions

Friday, 19th August 2011 18:12 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida has explained why the oft-requested cross-game chat isn’t possible on PS3, Turns out, the main reason has something to do with memory restrictions.

According to Yoshida PS3′s RAM is used up when running games.

“Once a game gets RAM we never give it back,” he told Eurogamer. “It’s not possible to retrofit something like that after the fact. The game has to use its own memory to do [in-game voice chat].

“There’s always voice chat in the game. But it’s a part of a game feature. It’s not a part of an OS feature. That’s the reason in terms of the ability to have voice chat across different games.”

PS Vita has more memory than PS3, 512MB of RAM and 128MB of V-RAM, compared to the console’s 256MB of RAM and 256MB of video RAM. Ergo, the reason cross-game voice chat will be made available on the handheld.

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45 Comments

  1. Yoshi

    Then why not just say that in the first place?

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Erthazus

    As i said before. There is no need in these words. also, OS takes a large chunk of the memory to begin with. You can’t even do something with that crap.

    @1, because it was an obvious thing|fact from the start.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. KAP

    WOW!!!

    Wasnt expecting that from him, i really do like this dude.
    Honesty is always the best policy.. you have to give it up to this guy.
    Lack of RAM, they wont be making this mistake twice i can tell ya.
    So Vita has more RAM then PS3.. damn.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. DarkElfa

    Well, I guess Sony should have coughed up for more ram than a Coleco when they mad the damn thing.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. strikkebil

    finally the word is out!
    PS3 was not prepared for the next gen in terms of OS and features. im glad we have xbox, cos they have really done a good job driving consoles forward this gen. hopefully sony will do a better job on PS4.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. HeavyD-Love

    I’m no professional, but I can’t believe we’re still talking about RAM in MB’s and not GB’s on home consoles today.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. Erthazus

    Interesting. What Kutaragi did when he designed that “thing”? That machine is a comedy of engineering problems.
    If not for the established brand or Sony’s marketing campaign and Sony’s first party it could be dead on arrival.

    If Toshiba or any other electronics/software company could push this to the market you would all laugh your ass off. :D

    @5, “PS3 was not prepared for the next gen in terms of OS and features”

    So Xbox 360 was prepared with RROD and crappy DVD drives? Give me a break, son.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. KAP

    @6

    Agreed.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. OrbitMonkey

    *Puts on Sony faithful hat*

    That’s ok Kat, i’ll take my free online gaming, free internet browser & iplayer over cross game chat. Not like I can’t send a message :)

    *takes off hat*

    Though when It comes to RAM, the ps4 better have a whole goat, y’hear?!

    #9 3 years ago
  10. G1GAHURTZ

    Haha!

    #10 3 years ago
  11. DrDamn

    It’s not strictly the amount of memory the PS3 started with which is the issue, but the lack of having this feature designed into the OS to begin with. The PS3 could have had 1Gb to begin with but without the forethought in OS design all that would still have been used up in early games and therefore not been possible to retrofit.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. lexph3re

    Yes because we all know next gen began because of X-chat…-_- f’n dweeb

    #12 3 years ago
  13. ballerty27

    @5 PS3 was not prepared for the next gen in terms of OS and features. wrong! the PS3 has blu ray, internet browser, free online play, and harddrive you can upgrade yourself. I had a XBOX and hated cross game chat and i’m glad its not coming to the PS3. nothing worse than to keep getting text messages over & over again when your totally into a game and voice chat makes it extra annoying.
    my XBOX suffered RROD twice in about 15 months after that i brought my PS3 USED and never had 1 problem with it in almost 3 years.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. FerreroRussian

    @13…You hated cross-game chat? Nothing worse than getting text messages over and over again?
    I don’t know how you can hate having such a useful feature. And if you keep getting those messages why not appear offline? Or just don’t have random people added as your friends who keep sending you those invites.
    You sound like a fan boy!

    You “brought” your PS3? Where did you bring it from? I believe you trying to say that you “bought” it! Brought and bought are two different words mate!

    Both consoles have their pros and cons…at the end of the day it’s your preference and it’s your money so you decide what you want to spend it on!

    #14 3 years ago
  15. ballerty27

    @14 thanks for correcting my spelling. cross game chat is not a useful feature, if were not playing the same game at the same time anything you have to say is just a distraction. besides my real friends have my cell number. I worked at game stop for 4 years, so i played alot of games and made alot of friends online on both consoles. I know both have their pro and cons, cross game chat is not a pro unless you don’t own a phone.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. Kuwabara

    Great, i guess that means on the ps4 there will be party chat, ffs.. NOOOOOO. mOST USELESS FEATURE. Let the sony consoles keep bringing out exclusives, and leave the party chats and social aspects for the casual xbox 360 gamers. I want the ram used for gaming only, no party chats. Last thing i want is to be interupted while gaming, or having to say, sorry, i cant chat right now.

    And ERTH, if the ps3 is such a technical failure find me one game on pc, that looks better than uncharted 1/2, gow3, kz3, uncharted3, both on a technical/artistic level combined, and give me links. And dnt give me any crysis crap, the snow levels in kz3 look better than any scene in crysis 1 or 2.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. DrDamn

    I can maybe see that personally people might not have much use for cross game chat, but to think it is therefore a useless feature or not see why other people might find it incredibly useful is bizarre. It’s fantastic for setting up a game with a friend, just chatting privately in the same game as a friend or simply maintaining the contact you want with a friend and not being restricted to when and where the game itself thinks you should be able to talk. That’s before you then extend it out into party chat.

    #17 3 years ago
  18. TheGuy

    @16 Really? You want to compare PC gaming with console gaming?

    Let me see. Would I rather use the PS3s 3.2Ghz Cell with G70 GFX and 256MB+256MB RAM/VRAM to play Battlefield 3 or my Quad core i7 with a GT 550M card and 8GB of RAM?

    Yes, GoW 3 & UC 2 (and more than likely UC 3) are conceptually and artistically fantastic, but KZ is far from special. How about you step off your exclusives high horse and name any game that’s available on both and comapres with a PC potential.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. Christopher Jack

    @11, Exactly right, surely the resources of running a party chat in the background won’t take much & could be considered in future development if it was, but it’s the back catalog being the primary issue.

    @18, Portal 2?

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Gekidami

    @18
    And how much would a PC with that hardware cost? Let me guess, over 250? Sorry to say but PC gaming is a money sink hole, fact is you’ll never find a PC at the price of a console that can do the same level of visuals, instead you have to pay quadruple for very minor improvements and a ridiculously small amount of games that actually use the hardware to the fullest because consoles lead the way in development.

    Thats why i’ll never invest money or time into PC gaming, its the spoilt brats platform, and the the way the PC’tards act just confirms this time and time again.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. Erthazus

    “fact is you’ll never find a PC at the price of a console that can do the same level of visuals”

    idiotic assumption from someone who never built it’s own PC or bought standalone PC for gaming.

    I can buy PC that will play console like graphics (with better performance) for less than 300$

    No problem. I can build it even right now describing each part and $$$ (with the link also).

    Only console retards with small brain think like that because they don’t know how to do it. Thats it. the reason why people pay more $ for part because they want a much better than a console performance.

    you could build a PC with console requirements when Xbox 360 and PS3 launched. You just need dual core, 8-9 series of geforce and 2-4 GB of Ram.

    “Thats why i’ll never invest money or time into PC gaming, its the spoilt brats platform”

    thank god. We don’t need whiny little children with nicknames like AEROKID13 that plays Uncharted and whines all the time on the PSN.

    @Christopher Jack, “Exactly right, surely the resources of running a party chat in the background won’t take much”

    not much? Ahahaha… Okay. OS barely runs while people play games. With Party chat games won’t even launch. PS3 can’t do multitasking retards with 256 mb ram. If you don’t know that you need to change your brain or learn basics on how electronics with chipsets works.

    you can upgrade any OS with feature you want (like they do with the firmware update = systems security or features like PS+)
    this has nothing to do with “built in” something. It’s all down to 256 MB Ram aka No multitasking.

    #21 3 years ago
  22. Christopher Jack

    @20, For an additional $100, you could build something that would rape the PS3. An Athlon II X4 with a GeForce GTX 550 Ti (& the other essentials, Windows, optical drive, RAM, case, PSU etc) for around £350 & it’ll thrash the PS3 at every corner.

    @22, No need to get personal, my point is, I believe that party chat could potentially be achieved for the PS3 in all future games if the developers took it into consideration while making the game but forcing it onto the back catalog would be near impossible unless they designed it in a way that won’t chew up any necessary resources.

    #22 3 years ago
  23. Erthazus

    AMD Athlon II X3 455 3.3GHz Triple-Core 95W AM3 – 80$

    GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-S2P AM3+ 760G M-ATX – 60$

    G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333MHz – 33$

    Gigabyte Geforce GTX 260 896MB – 100$

    WD Caviar Blue 500GB Sata III 6.0Gb/s – 40$

    ASUS SATA 24XDVD Burner – 22$

    XIGMATEK 400W 80 PLUS BRONZE – 35$

    NZXT GAMMA Classic 1 x 120mm fan – 55$

    425$

    You get a PC gaming rig that rapes any PS3 or Xbox 360 game and runs modest PC games on the medium-high settings. Not ultra, but great performance.
    Battlefield 3 is going to run on the medium-high settings (not ultra) on 720p with 64 players. solid 30 fps.

    also, PC is future proof for future upgrades. I built it now for 1 minute. Give me 5 m and i will make it cost for 300$

    #23 3 years ago
  24. Kuwabara

    @18, so u agree with erth than?? or u just a pc fanboy. I dnt come here bashing a system like erth does. The ps3 is a great system and is the ebts console when it comes to games, yet he bitches like a fanboy about unimportant things. And yes all ps3 exclusives could look better on a pc, but the fact is they are only on ps3, and ive yet to see something so stunning on pc that has had me more impressed than what i’ve seen on ps3. When was the last time a pc game won of the year..

    #24 3 years ago
  25. Erthazus

    @24, you are just blind Playstation 3 fanboy. Thats it.

    Also, “And dnt give me any crysis crap, the snow levels in kz3 look better than any scene in crysis 1 or 2.”

    you should shut your trap.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS-Ba7KXX5w

    #25 3 years ago
  26. Gekidami

    @22
    Thats a very brief guesstimation of what you’d need, and you’re already at a higher price.

    @23
    Well-done, thats just two times the price, you win. …Oh no wait, sorry, its two times the price, so more expensive and your’re still missing stuff, like say the OS, and a DVD drive? Bluray please.

    You fail to make your point.

    Oh and “PC is future proof for future upgrades.” lol! Yeah, and PS3 is future proof if you buy the PS4 when it comes out. You really should learn what future proof actually means, because the ability to shell out on even more hardware to remain relevant isnt it, especially at the price new PC hardware costs.

    But anyway, this isnt about the PC and its stupid followers.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. Kuwabara

    @24, Sorry erth, but those snow textures look ugly and last gen compared to the kz3 snow footage, lol. Even the snow level in mgs4 looked better. Thought you would do better than that, dissapointing…

    #27 3 years ago
  28. Christopher Jack

    @Erthazus & Gekidami, neither of you are right nor wrong, the truth lies somewhere in-between that is entirely dependent on one’s perspective.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. Erthazus

    “Well-done, thats just two times the price, you win. …Oh no wait, sorry, its two times the price, so more expensive and your’re still missing stuff, like say the OS, and a DVD drive? Bluray please”

    Blu Ray please? For what? Games don’t need blu ray to look 10 times better than on PS3. There are no games that support Blu Ray.
    but if you are a cocksucker (and every console fanboy is) you can go with ASUS Black 12X BD-ROM SATA Blu-ray just add 12$ and you get x10 more speed than in Ps3′s slow piece of old crap. You can use it as a hole for your cock i guess to show your ignorance. Because there are no games that need it.

    OS? You can’t use your old OS? If you buy new OS for each new system than you are retard and tyical cocksucker that use PC for facebook.

    “future proof if you buy the PS4 when it comes out.”

    for 599 US dollars? OK.

    “You really should learn what future proof actually means, because the ability to shell out on even more hardware to remain relevant isnt it, especially at the price new PC hardware costs.”

    again, you show your ignorance. I never said something about “shell out for the new hardware Completely”. What means “future proof” is that with that hardware that i described you can upgrade it when PS4 will come out for 100-200$ and live with it playing console-like graphics.
    260 geforce is enough to do it. You can do SLI in the end (requires 2 slots for your motherboard)

    So your point is absolutely invalid.

    “But anyway, this is about the PC and its stupid followers.”

    blind console fanboy at it’s best.

    @Kuwabara, OK. If Crysis textures are so last gen (and KZ3 is so new gen) than there is no need to talk to you. Your fanboy brain wins!

    #29 3 years ago
  30. Kuwabara

    Erth are you really going to compare a level from a game made 3.5 years earlier to kz3! you think there hasnt been any advancements in pushing gaming further from available specs? compare the 2 snow levels, obviously guerilla games put more detail and time into it.

    #30 3 years ago
  31. Gekidami

    @29
    Oh look, a post full of ad hominems, why am i not surprised.
    I dont really need to add anything to that, you own yourself in that post by -as always- making yourself look like a total idiot.

    It ranges from the lamest apologetics (like assuming bluray would only be useful for gaming and thats the sole reason the PS3 has it, and that a fast drive on PC is needed when nearly all games fully install to the HDD anyway) to utter ignorance (like the fact a good number on recent PC games demand Vista or Win7 to work, and that; Yes, OS’ still cost money in the scenario seeing as the aim wasnt to pretend we’re already salvaging another PC but building one from the ground up that would cost as much as a PS3 or 360 and play games to equal standards, something Ertharage failed to do).

    You’ll always be the most idiotic, ignorant, butthurt and defensive fanboy on this site, Ertharage. The worst part is that everyone knows it, yet you still pretend its not true, meaning i can add the most self-deluded to that list.

    #31 3 years ago
  32. Erthazus

    @30, you are right. I’m wrong actually. Killzone 3 snow is the best snow that was ever created in the history of gaming.
    It’s probably the best snow EVER. Metro 2033, Crysis 1 or DIRT 2,3 snow is prescripted CRAP compared to this masterpiece:

    http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/14324403/big/kz3_0806.jpg

    Just look at it. White giant texture with 2D grass and HDR lightning. The most impressive snow ever. You are right buddy. I think Killzone 3 snow is underrated.

    @31, “like assuming bluray would only be useful for gaming and thats the sole reason the PS3 has it, and that a fast drive on PC is needed when nearly all games fully install to the HDD anyway”

    thanks. You just admitted again that you are a blind console fanboy. There is nothing to argue with a fanboy that writes first that and than something else.

    That sentence is epic. Look at the 23 post and maybe you will get it why you look like an idiot right now.

    #32 3 years ago
  33. OrbitMonkey

    Christ help me I fucking despair I really do. Your actually getting worked up over who has the better toys? Please tell me your not able to breed, the gene pool doesn’t need more junk dna…

    And pc fanboys suck dick!!! Lol :D

    #33 3 years ago
  34. Kuwabara

    @32, tikanis kala. lol at the pic. You can get bad screen shot of any game that looks like crap. Have you ever played the kz3 level on the ps3 erth? compare what you see on the single player campaign to the video of crysis 1 snow level and you will be in awe! Also have a look at uncharted 2, the snow on that game eats crysis!

    #34 3 years ago
  35. lexph3re

    @Erth Your argument was building a pc from the ground up and blowing current consoles away with less money. So, you do need to consider how much the case will be to fit the motherboard and have proper ventilation with the fan’s as well as all the other hardware you named. OS is also a consideration unless your running a customized Linux based operating system to your specification’s which is free but time consuming. But, since we’re not we are BUYING windows vista or 7. Unless you are a pirate.

    So now we have the Case and OS combined without your internals that for a proper gaming unit would cost between 3-4hundred(hoping you have a deal on your tower/case) then the $437(we’re opting for the blu-ray to future proof) and then we need to buy a proper monitor because we don’t want to be seeing a lush machine like that only displays compressed video and audio quality. But you can get a efficient monitor for about $180 and 4 buck’s for the connectors.

    Overall you just spent about 3x as much for your rig then just buying a dedicated console(to games and other media in which it’s OS supports with proper Multitasking) because we know that if it was attempting to be more the 512mb’s of DEDICATED RAM on the consoleS would never be sufficient. But, since we have a OS that is vastly different from any PC OS 512mb is more then enough to run their desired task.

    #35 3 years ago
  36. UNazo

    i lol’d at the consoles fanboys sayin that their console is superior than PC, if that was true, then Movies and games would be developed on consoles but we don’t see that happening do we ?
    Console fanboys please take a look at the Unreal engine Samartian demo,
    compare it with your PS3 games, wich one looks better ?

    and please don’t come with your ” Your just a PC fanboy” cus i’m not a PC fanboy, just stating out my beliefs

    #36 3 years ago
  37. Kuwabara

    Lol, the unreal engine samaritan demo was just like the unreal tournament demo for ps3. It looked amazing but you never see gameplay like it in real time.

    #37 3 years ago
  38. Fin

    God, everyone shut up.

    #38 3 years ago
  39. lexph3re

    No what’s funny is hearing PC fanboy’s claim you need all this ram for a OS when in reality. RAM isn’t the real tasking question but the processors capabilities to run multiple task. You can run windows xp on 64mb’s of ram but it’ll just be slow. RAM just give’s it that extra nudge to allow you to put more useless crap on your OS like skype MSN and yahoo. which Chew’s up your RAM. Let’s actually act like we have a clue in what a console need’s to properly run it’s OS.

    In the next Gen the best option Sony or MS or even Nintendo could do is allow the user to upgrade their HDD and RAM to optimize their performance. And cost less on their development end. MS can do their usual and make “special branded” ram chips for their system that preform only on MS consoles. And Sony can allow So-Dimm installations to help optimized their console. I for one would like to see SSD in the future on consoles, but that would sky rocket the cost of home consoles.

    #39 3 years ago
  40. albo88

    @UNazo what is the point of PC Games if the DLC has owned the market?
    i mean you are talking abut creativity right
    where are the free mods peoples crated and posted in internet?

    #40 3 years ago
  41. Fin

    Why can’t everyone just enjoy the system they prefer and not complain about others?
    Is that really so hard?

    #41 3 years ago
  42. OrbitMonkey

    I think this sums up this debate…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    #42 3 years ago
  43. UNazo

    @albo

    ModDB
    there you can find hundreds of free user made mods.

    #43 3 years ago
  44. Phoenixblight

    @43

    Generally all mods aren’t that great and the “better” textures is just people going in photoshop and turning up the shaprness which is not better or high res textures.

    Most of the mods I get change something about the UI I don’t like or like that mod that fixes Oblivions level scaling. A small team of hobbyists rarely out do an entire team of professionals.

    @39
    “In the next Gen the best option Sony or MS or even Nintendo could do is allow the user to upgrade their HDD and RAM to optimize their performance. And cost less on their development end. ”

    Wouldn’t work want to know why? The same reason why the entire gen is based of the Xbox 360. Lowest common denominator. Games will still be based on the people that don’t have the largest set of ram. THis is why Consoles were made to be a standardized platform for developers so they don’t have to focus on the intensive testing that PCs require because all the combinations.

    Most likely next gen console companies will have to have some foresight and think what does our system need to have legs? That have enough room to be developed on for 10 years and not break the bank for the consumer?

    #44 3 years ago
  45. bet6328

    x box is better then

    #45 2 years ago

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