DICE confirms 10 maps for Battlefield 3 co-op to PSM3 magazine

They should make Campaign with coop option at least with one buddy and if campaign is like Bad Company when you are never alone…

I agree. Coop campaigns are long overdue. Why isn’t anybody doing it?

^ Because it destroys set pieces.

10 maps sounds perfect for retail release.

Hopefully they’ll put at least a picture of each map on the map selection screen. Sounds like such a simple thing right? Many modern games devs don’t think to do it (OR PATCH IT IN……KILLZONE 3 I’M LOOKING AT YOU). and just look at all that empty wasted screenspace. I like to SEE what the map i’m thinking of chosing looks like thank you very much.

^ But when I think about it even MW1 and MW2 could be playable in Coop.I mean you can have an option to play both with someone and alone IMO that is your choise if latter you want some best mission to re-play with buddy..IT would be so cool when *SPOILER* you and ghost get killed and expecting game over screen

@2, i completely agree. the one who get it is Cliff Blezinski with his Gears Of war 3.

Coop missions are bollocks.

Uncharted 3, BF3, COD and others should learn and stop co-op missions.

To be honest, i wasn’t aware that there would be co-op in this game. So basically next to the campaign you have a co-op mode or is this basically THE campaign?

I wonder how many online maps.

cool. but like others above. Where is Co-op campaign…

@7
Its “next to”. Like i said, DICE dont want their set pieces getting ruined by having to account for more than one player in the game.

@9

Ah i see what you mean, what would be some good examples of games that did this wrong?

^Halo and Gears of War come to mind, the set pieces in both of those games pretty much always consist of things happening in the distance (something flies by, something collapses, etc…) rather then things happening to the characters themselves. You’ll never see anything like the Uncharted 2 intro in the train, or the brawl from the BF3 FaultLine trailer in games with campaign co-op. Unless it cuts to a cut scene and only shows one camera/angle of course.

It’s definitely not the case with Halo. I haven’t played any of them since first one, but the coop campaign was absolutely awesome fun back then.

I never said campaign coop wasnt fun, i’m just saying it leads to design choices DICE isnt interested in. If you want to run around an area with your buddies shooting AI with some form of progression then DICE will have that in BF3, it just wont be the main campaign.

That’s a lame argument, if that really is why DICE are leaving it out. It might fuck up the scripting, but a game is still supposed to be carried by the core gameplay, that’s why things like the Halo coop worked without those bells and whistles.

It depends on the game design.

Gears Of War 3 for example… Battle with that giant fish is a big giant set piece moment. (E3 2011 at Microsoft)

Uncharted 2 train intro was designed for single player, but that does not mean it’s impossible to do for co-op.
There were even missions in Uncharted 2 where you go with Elena, Chloe or Sully and you wish that this was a co-op game.

Halo? Halo is crap. End of story. since when that game had any set pieces? For that design you can make 8 player co-op. It does not matter.

@14
How is it a lame argument when you yourself agree that you only way to get around it would be to strip the game of those elements? Fact is DICE is going for a game full of set pieces involving the character rather then having them happen in the distance. If you dont like that get another game that isnt set piece-driven, BF3′s campaign obviously isnt for you.

@15
Whilst that giant fish thing is a set piece, its still a set piece that overall has little interaction with the characters. It pretty much just sits at one part of the level, its not comparable to the type of set pieces you find in single player games.

Of course it would be possible to make a game with more than one character running around with set pieces that fully interact with both of them, though it would be a hell of a lot of effort to do. And i’ve yet to see a game do it.

@16 It’s a lame argument because lots of other games are doing fine by simply leaving them out of coop. The concept is tried and true. Clearly we don’t give a fuck about cutscenes (interactive or otherwise) if the core gameplay is solid.

If you don’t think your game can hold its own without it, then I could see why you would want to avoid it, but I strongly doubt that that’s the case, or that DICE actually feel that way about their game.

“Whilst that giant fish thing is a set piece, its still a set piece that overall has little interaction with the characters.”

Because Uncharted is TPS and platformer. Gears is strictly just TPS. Two different game designs and still you interact in that set piece moment like when Marcus was hiding behind the robot (other player controlled it). Now that was brilliant.

L4D and espeically LFD2 shows what 4 player coop is up to and it’s a FPS.

if this is anything like onslaught i will cry

Erthazus, L4D has better ‘set pieces’ than Halo? You regularly set new standards for idiocy.

What the sticky simpleton pseudo platforming sections in Uncharted have to do with the character interaction? Being a tps didn’t prevent Gears having a whole racing level.

That game did it differently, as opposed to Gears of War. That ‘giant fish’ isn’t any different from any of the Halo’s scenes. It’s just a boss fight, the Scarab from Odst or taking down Banshees in Romeo’s stage is the same. Or Long Night of Solace in Reach. Then again, you never played either Halo or Gears, oh well.

@19, I was thinking to myself there “hope this isn’t just onslaught”.

Onslaught really is one of the worst modes of its type I’ve ever played. About all it’s good for is chopper practice.

I’m a big fan of separate coop unless your main game was always meant to be coop. I don’t like the idea that coop campaign should be shoehorned into every game in the same way multiplayer seems necessary. In general a good coop level design is very different to a good SP level design. Few games manage to marry the two and then it is normally by virtue of the general game design too.

@23 Well it should be an option.Killzone 3 have offline coop but no online is stupid IMO.I don’t think is that hard to make it.Even Bad Company 2 could have coop with at least with one friend.
But also maybe those 10 levels are just re made from SP?

@24
Not with every game it shouldn’t. Agree if it does it offline then it should also do it online, particularly in a big budget title like KZ3. The point is that not every fps/tps needs to do coop, and if it does the game should have it integral to the game or keep it separate from the main single player campaign.

@DaMan,
“L4D has better ‘set pieces’ than Halo? You regularly set new standards for idiocy.”

Did i said something about Set Pieces in L4D? Clearly it’s all about the gameplay and “interaction”

“What the sticky simpleton pseudo platforming sections in Uncharted have to do with the character interaction?”

Simpleton platforming? I’m sorry. Uncharted is not Super Mario Galaxy. It’s platforming is cinematic. Different game design which is perfect for that game.

“Being a tps didn’t prevent Gears having a whole racing level.”

just wow… such an achievement considering that the Unreal Engine is just capable of that in their code.

“That ‘giant fish’ isn’t any different from any of the Halo’s scenes.”

Yeah… I want to find one level that is close to that Fish level… OH YEAH… You should stop praising your lovely game that can’t do shit. That is mediocre and average in everything.

Let them first fix their upscaled engine, then we can talk about some great levels with big bosses that are not just big, but interactive with the environment.

“Then again, you never played either Halo or Gears, oh well.”

Wrong. I played Gears Of War 1 on PC, Gears Of war 2 on my friends Xbox 360 and will be buying xbox 360 for Gears 3.
Played Halo 1,2 on the PC and regret that i did it, just wasted my precious time playing these average overhyped games. 3 and ODST never played because they are CRAP and the same games like Halo 2 just a bit more updated. Played REACH on my friends Xbox which is the best Halo to date (it’s now above average. Congratulations Bungie, you made an average everyday Polish shooter just with the perfect shitstorm brand and Microsoft PR).

Stop your fanboyism. We got it. You are a fanboy of average and mediocre game like Halo which have horrible sandbox design, gameplay design (turned in to shit after Unreal Tournament series), crappy engines in each game, except for maybe Reach’s sky art’s design which is the only beautiful thing about it, average story, bad dialogs and characters that have no soul.

Please. Stop. I don’t care really. A lot of people disagree with your opinion about “clever game” like Halo which is not and never was from the beggining. I don’t care if 12 year olds or fratboys buy this game like Call Of Duty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa6WLMt-3oQ – just listen and die. Sums everything about these series.

the onslaught mode was rly good in BC2. nice to know they bringing coop to BF3 also

lol. What a dumass.. Good grief.

Sometimes i wonder if you’re that asinine or it’s the language barrier.

He (Gekidami) was talking about interactive cutscenes and how the story is being told through them. Fact is, neither Gears nor Halo are doing that.

Why did you mention L4d then?

Yes, it’s simpleton watered down pseudo platforming, ironic seeing someone who keeps banging about ‘hardcore’ showing his true colors with *double standards*. Nobody said it’s not suited for that game, I just called it what it is. roflcopter.

‘One level that comes close’? What ‘re you even talking about? I was saying they don’t share the same design principles as Uncharted or say. Enslaved. ‘Interactive environment’ is a totally incorrect word here, since if anything the interaction in Halo is miles ahead that of Gears of War. Can you jetpack to some of the otherwise inaccessible areas in gears and snipe enemies from above, really? You’re a moron…

Now, their’ engine’ is excellent, I don’t recall seeing in Uncharted an open environment with 5 vehicles and several spartans on screen all at once alongside explosions. But that ‘s beside the point of course… It was you who changed the topic and brought the engine comparisons up. Are you that retarded or that hypocritical, really?

Reach isn’t the best Halo to date. i could make a list as to why. And it’s absolutely obvious to anyone who tried it extensively. Unless you play it only for the graphics. Like I said, you never ever played neither Gears nor it, if you would ‘we’ wouldn’t see nearly as much nonsense that has nothing to do with reality as you post. No amount of ‘ner ner ner’; changes that. At best, you’ve run around for a few minutes, it’s absoluetly clear from every comment you make. No amount of imaginary friends change that.

And you got it wrong. ‘We’ got it. you’re a mental patient from a shithole that has nothing better to do other than post on a foreign website 24/7, and can’t get over the fact that the most influential and impressive fps of the decade was on consoles. And I’m wondering when you have the time to play ..er, *any* game, when I see your name every single day when reading this site, at any time.

No no, there’s no ‘we’ with you, it’s ‘we’ that got it. Shut the traphole and go post some shitty comments from that account on N4g. And you obviously do care, not about any game of course, but about your mental agenda. the fact that you deny it is beyond lulz. If you didn’t you wouldn’t regularly do nothing but spout asinine bollocks on this website, bringing down the discussion to the level of that below Gamefaqs, hypocritical dumass.

I’m yet to see *one* plausible complaint about Halo at that, you’re that ‘any Mr Dickinson’. retard. And ‘a lot of people disagree with you’. In fact, you’r wrong on so many evels it’s not even funny. the ‘re reviews that don’t give Halo a 10, but they acknowledege the multiplayer being excellent. there’re reviews that criticize the latter Halos, but they acknowledge the fact that Ce is the Ocarina of time of fps. There’re reviews that criticize the campaigns but they agree that the backstory is amazing. There’re reviews that criticize graphics in halo 3 but acknowledge the beauty of technical achievement that were the Halo 1 & 2. the artstyle is incredible as well, you just happen to have a shitty taste, go and fap to Epic games’ assets which are as visually appealing as mud.

You ‘re a sad failure trying way too hard. Like I said it’s not surprising seeing as how you never played any of the games and just sitting on your dumb ass trolling websites. You post noting but hyperbolic, retarded, misinformed nonsense.

You’re a fanboy of mediocrity that is any of the games you like. you’re also a failure on every possible level. Stop your fanboyism indeed, and better yet, piss off permananetly. You also never ever played nothing aside from the piece of genital warp that is Ut, thus you’re unable to comprehend neither Tribes not Halo. Bungie’s game saved the fps from the cancerous shit that were those twitch blast happy games, and completely redefined it.

You ‘re a moron, who will gain nothing from any of this. you’re sitting on your stupid ass, spouting obvious nonsense and telling what halo games are about to people who’ve been playing it for longer that you ever did any game. I’m actually lost as to why you ‘re still trying.

Halo characters have plenty of soul, it’s the shitty neon Genesis Evangellion ones that don’t. Perhaps one day you will outgrow it. Probably not though, seeing as how In a whole year and a half you’ve changed as much as your english did..

SHOCKING! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiAHlZVgXjk

@27 + 1,000,000,000,000. I think you summed up the feelings of the entire community.

”
What a dumass..
You’re a moron
Shut the traphole
You ‘re a sad failure
You’re a fanboy of mediocrity
also a failure
Bungie’s game saved the fps from the cancerous shit that were those twitch blast happy games, and completely redefined it
You ‘re a moron
hypocritical
You also never ever played nothing aside from the piece of genital warp that is Ut
”

Wow… Man… I don’t even know how to reply to this wall of text full of bullcrap that you posted here. I think your brain is incapable of understanding simple things, instead you are trying to insult your interlocutor with the best possible way. How could you fall so low? Oh pity, i guess there is no point to argue with the Halo Fanboy.
Once you start talking with them you get “This” shitstorm.
I need to save this text and once you start using “intellectual mode” in conversation i will be there. Also, i like your teh’ intenet guessing magical skills. Herp Derp Bro.

People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

It’s not magical internet guessing skills though, it’s rather apparent from the way you act.

Nonsense. I didn’t post that because I like Halo or to diss you, I couldn’t care less if you ‘re an idiot or not.

You’re either way too thick to get the hint, or yet again, act like a hypocritical twat, trying to mask and overcomplicate everything by putting opinions, hyperbolic criticism, and facts all together in one giant mess. And you ‘re probably way too thick to even realize that.

You never post anything thought provoking or remotely plausible, all you do is copy others and spout bs you found somewhere on the interwebs. Kudos fpr proving my point by yet again failing at english and copy pasting others’ words.

This isn’t even about this particular game, I ‘m equally disgusted at seeing your name in any of the threads, be it Call of Duty, Uncharted, Mass Effect or Resident Evil as well.

Saying that Halo was crap is as much of a valid opinion as saying that it was a masterpiece, but what I and others have problem with is how not only you consistently post your stupid opinions nobody here cares about, but try to rewrite history all the time as well. You couldn’t plasma pistol overcharge and headshot in unreal, neither could you use stuff like the overshield or active camouflage, or drive anything, the physics, maps, weapons, and everything aside from the sci-fi theme is nothing alike.

I’m no Halo fanboy, I ‘m just a tad bit annoyed by reading this website and having to witness your retardation in the comment sections 24/7. Do piss off.

^ When Pat’s away the Troll’s come play?

@33 Dude… Are you saying what I think you’re saying?

Tinfoil hat brainspike: PAT IZ TEH TROLLZ.

Think about it. There’s literally no evidence what so ever supporting that theory. As such, it must be a cover-up. And by the logic of any conspiracy nut, IT MUST BE TRUE!

Also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLEo7H9tqSM

@Orbit: rhyme of the week. Congrats, mate!

PS3 version of BF3 is going to be the best version.

@Usman224 I disagree considering how the console version is locked at only 30 frames per second while the PC version has 60 fps. Plus the PC version gets 64 players in an online game while the PS3 and 360 versions are limited to only 32 players. Therefore, since the PC version is the lead platform for the game it will be miles better than the PS3 version.

@33 Hey there, someone’s arguing let’s help this site by trollin’ the ones who ‘re trollin’. Yo!

Move in now move out
Hands up now hands down
Back up back up
Tell me what you’re gonna do now

Breath in now breath out
Hands up now hands down
Back up back up
Tell me what you’re gonna do now

Keep trollin’ trollin’ trollin’ trollin’

i enjoy separate co op missions alongside single player and competitive multiplayer, uncharted 2 especially.

@34 That film looks awesome Has that had a worldwide cinema/dvd release yet?

@40 Sadly I have no idea. I think it’s out on Region 2 (EU etc.) with subtitles.

Trolls get far too little love in the media. Seems like every supernatural game or movie or show under the sun has elves, dwarves, orcs or undead, but where the trolls at?

The Witcher 2 does awesome trolls. Warcraft does crappy elf-looking ones that seem to be walking stereotypes.

One day, I’m gonna make a game that’s nothing but trolls. Fuck an elf.

“I didn’t post that because I like Halo or to diss you”

”
What a dumass..
You’re a moron
Shut the traphole
You ‘re a sad failure
You’re a fanboy of mediocrity
also a failure
Bungie’s game saved the fps from the cancerous shit that were those twitch blast happy games, and completely redefined it
You ‘re a moron
hypocritical
You also never ever played nothing aside from the piece of genital warp that is Ut
”

brain damage much?

“stupid opinions nobody here cares about”

then don’t reply to me. It’s easy as pie. Is this a problem? Your butt hurts so much when i say something bad about your precious “Masterpiece” that saved FPS from the cancerous shit? Or your butt hurts so much that you need to mention Halo in every topic out there?

“but try to rewrite history all the time as well”

You have some serious troubles my boy. You sure need to visit doctor if you think that “someone” on VG247 trying to rewrite history.

“You couldn’t plasma pistol overcharge and headshot in unreal, neither could you use stuff like the overshield or active camouflage, or drive anything, the physics, maps, weapons, and everything aside from the sci-fi theme is nothing alike. ”

Thats the most retarded thing i heard on VG247. Not only you didn’t played Unreal Tournament games (or played just for 5-7 minutes), but you don’t know about gaming absolutely nothing. I like how you started… ehm… comparing games… by pistol charge. Classic enraged Halo fanboyism. First of all there are weapons that you can charge “something” in UT, second, you can do Headshots since first Unreal, there is even a badge (voiced by the voice actor) for that! Everything else sums up for mechanics and other stuff. Difference between them that Halo is slower, hypertrophied physics which do not much except for vehicles, less that and that… and that. Worse visuals ever in any FPS probably, although REACH engine made it look like an Xbox 360 game, average voice acting in matches and etc… lazy level design which does not even have any furniture in it. Ridiculous gigantic walls is your Great level design? If it’s great level design, then Call Of Duty maps are probably made by Jesus with it’s attention to detail.
It’s not completely UT, but a lot of ideas were taken from it. From game matches, to the gameplay. There is a big difference between close combat in which Halo like to do and UT not… Better not, but with such stupid regeneration it’s the only option Bungie could do something and it looks actually retarded with these swords and giagantic ridiculous Gravity Hammers.

Just as Zero Punctuation said: Average – “Everything it does has been done before and better” (c). It’s average and thats it. You disagree? No problem. Close your eyes and enjoy your session with 12 year olds on the Xbox 360

See DaMan? Be more mature. You can always answer to someone without calling him a “twat”. Be a good boy.

Those er, names I called which you cherry picked and put without the context they ‘ve been used in, are completely warranted. stating that Ut was shit when all your pathetic login ever does on this website is dissing Halo without even touching the game is absolutely fair. So look up ‘brain damage’, dumass.

My butt doesn’t hurt, obviously it’s yours that does, when all you do gor days is posting here getting into asinine bickering over many titles, so look up that one too.

Now, let’s see, just a little bit further in your current post we can witness a statement saying ‘a lot of ideas were taken from it. From game matches, to the gameplay. ‘ and that not mentioning stuff like denying the game’s influenece on the genre from before. So anyway about the game types, do try Marathon. And do shut the traphole at that.

Now.. wow… I knew you’re not a bright guy, but.. I wasn’t comparing games by comparing pistols. I was pointing out crucial elements of gameplay. Which are drastically different. Ut is a run and gun twitch blast happy game, Halo is a mix between tactical and sci fi shooters. Bloom in Reach only takes it further btw.

Headhsots in Halo are performed by first bringing down the shield, you utter failure, and I can’t see me stating anything you mention in your idiotic rant. Plasma pistol overcharge is when you hold down the trigger and then release the energy to stun enemy and bring down their armor. Dumass? Certainly.

Halo isn’t actually ‘a lot’ about close combat, it’s the pathetic failures like you who like running up and meleeing people cause they fail with BR/DMR. It’s just one of the multitude of approaches to the fight, unlike Ut.

Like I said, the graphics were excellent, and anyway yet again – you’re trying to diss all of Halos at the same time. CE was along the very best looking games at that time. You ‘re a sad failure who reads reviews and cherry picks the negatives, makes them hyperbolic, adds some of his own vitriolic bs, and keeps telling himself how his pet PC didn’t lose anything from Halo going to the console. You aren’t even reviewing the game, you’r reviewing your shizophrenic hatred.

Zero Punctuation.. is largely a satirical show. Do look up ‘brain damage’.

I’m mature enough. You’re just actually truly a twat.

Now close the eyes and fap to Evangellion, really.

Oh, and Latvia is a Estonia rip-off.

Halo was awesome. DaMan happens to like it, because it was awesome. Erthazus happens to not like it. Probably because it sells a lot, and lots of people do like it. DaMan doesn’t like that Erthazus doesn’t like it, and is seemingly agitated by the fact that Erthazus always uses crazy arguments to make his subjective opinion seem like an objective and educated conclusion. So DaMan is driven to namecalling, resulting in a dramatic exchange of “No, you!” that will never end.

I vote that we move on.

Although that obviously won’t happen, and I just became “That guy”.. Stay tuned for the next 50 posts!

It’s not just Halo though, it’s the CoD running on Quake Arena engine, Resi4, Mass Effect, and a whole huge list. Halo is just easier for me to point out. The guy would’ve been put on a ppd restriction on any decent board already.

I know man, I know. And I’ve certainly done my own share of pointless posting, but the madness has to stop.

At some point you just have to realize that some people can’t stand to witness success, or other people enjoying something that they can’t. It’s a common human trait, and we’re all born that way. If we see someone building a beautiful sandcastle, our first thought is trashing the fucking thing, so our own piece of crap will look better.

Some develop a more advanced sense of empathy and learn to appreciate the fact that some things do well in spite of us having absolutely no part in it, but ultimately some just turn into even more pitiful wretches spewing bile at anything that’s created or enjoyed by someone else.

This:
http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/img/strip/-WM_strip_2006-10-06.gif

@46 Dude, that was beautiful…. in a totally hetro way