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Levine: There’s still juice in current consoles

Tuesday, 24 May 2011 01:09 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Bioshock creator Ken Levine has said this console generation still has plenty of life in it, and commented that Irrational is over straight shooters.

“There’s a lot of juice in there to find, you just have to find it,” the famed designer told VideoGamer.

Adding that he’d “hate” to be making his first PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360 now, without the benefit of experience, Levine made a comparison with the previous generation.

“I think about the PS2. It started with Fantavision and The Bouncer, and it ended with San Andreas and God of War,” he said.

“That’s the same piece of kit [running] those games. If you told that to anyone on the planet who didn’t know better, that it was running on the same piece of kit, they’d tell you that you were an absolute fucking liar!”

“I wish I could say I was enough of a visionary to think about that. I need to make this game, and I need to make it awesome,” he said. “These are the consoles I’m making it on, so I’m just going to make it the best game on these consoles that I can make it.”

As the BioShock series gains momentum, Levine feels there’s no need for Irrational to return to traditional shooters, like its SWAT series.

“You have to really have the craft down to make those kind of games, because there’s so many of them that the differences between them are much more imperceptible,” he said.

“So it’s really down to this fine-grain quality. Nobody’s made a game in a floating 1912 city before, so we could screw up and nobody would know!”

Irrational was asked to do a new SWAT title, but declined the opportunity.

“We just didn’t know what else we had to say that was interesting in that space,” Levine said.

“We felt that we had said what we had to say about that, we didn’t know what else to say about it. We were kicking around doing another SWAT game at the time, but we just didn’t know what we would do.”

Irrational’s latest game, BioShock: Infinite, has been lovingly previewed by Nathan, and is due on PC, PS3 and X360 in 2012.

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23 Comments

  1. Noodlemanny

    Ugg. Finally someone who isn’t crying about how we need another console generation.

    “Nobody’s made a game in a floating 1912 city before, so we could screw up and nobody would know!” Ha good point

    #1 4 years ago
  2. Hybridpsycho

    The Witcher 2 does not agree.

    #2 4 years ago
  3. Phoenixblight

    @2

    WTF?

    CD PRojekt haven’t worked on a console yet so what you say is irrelevant especially since CD Projekt has said they hope to put the series on the console. They even stated that they made the engine so it can scale with the consoles.

    #3 4 years ago
  4. DarkElfa

    Levine then counted out all the money he was paid for saying that.

    #4 4 years ago
  5. TheWulf

    @3

    Though I’m not a fan of engine -> art direction (a point I’ve made my times), Mr. 2 does have a point in regards to technology. DirectX 11 does completely blow away what the consoles can do. The difference is something akin to that between the N64 (representing the consoles) and the Dreamcast (representing the PC).

    HOWEVER, I don’t have a DirectX 11 card and I don’t see much worth in it, to be honest. Too much stock is put in engines. But I don’t exactly think that a lot of games have the best art direction either, console or computer games alike. The consoles still have juice in them, yeah, but they haven’t seen their full potential because there are too few really beautiful games out there.

    They exist, but they’re outnumbered by the flowing mainstream sludge that we’re all used to. That’s a shame. Then again, it has to be said that Team Ico are working on a particularly impressive game right now, and impressive because of the art direction, and that could make the Playstation3 really shine.

    #5 4 years ago
  6. blackdreamhunk

    there use to be time I would be real excited to buy a game. When pc gaming was the lead platform there was so many different genres, it was like going to the candy shop. Now I am only looking forward to mass effect 3 and guild wars2. The gaming Industry is gone down hill with it’s endless fps and many sequels.

    Oh and LA Noire is no new sorry.

    #6 4 years ago
  7. TheWulf

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HWZKGZcKoA

    I have to admit though, this is a nice display of art direction and DirectX 11 working together in harmony. If only we had games that looked like that being developed for the PC.

    (Guild Wars 2 is a perfect example of art direction being king though and looks almost as good as this even without the recent engine. But still, that demo does look nice… I’d love to see games with that aesthetic being developed. Airships, floating islands, steampunk… all done that beautifully. I’d upgrade for that.)

    #7 4 years ago
  8. blackdreamhunk

    also a good example why no body likes big cooperate companies like Microsoft and Sony. They tend to destroy fun past times like PC gaming for their own gain.

    #8 4 years ago
  9. Overdos3

    Lol this dude is soo stupid. We can’t even say that a 8800gt and an e6600 has more juice today and this guy is talking about 7900gt …

    So stupid

    #9 4 years ago
  10. Blerk

    He’s totally right. I’m willing to bet that for at least 95% of the gamers out there the current gen is still ‘good enough’. It certainly is for me.

    PC gamers are a bit cross, and I understand that – they feel like their software is being held back, and that’s kind of sad for them. But the whole “console games are unplayable because they’re so technologically BAD” thing is just crap.

    #10 4 years ago
  11. nemsis

    NO
    there ISN’T

    #11 4 years ago
  12. DSB

    @Blerk Personally I think that’s mostly an old wives tale. I’m not one of those SLI madmen or anything, but I am a dedicated PC gamer, and I do have a high-end PC, and it feels plenty catered to at the moment.

    Whether that’s down to sloppy optimization in the console era or not, I have no idea, but I’m getting a run for my money. In my experience people making a huge fuss on the internet are not always right.

    On the contrary, when I do get on my Xbox, it does feel like it’s showing its age. Those framerate drops seem harder and harder to avoid the further we go, and I’ve been seeing them since GTA IV, really.

    #12 4 years ago
  13. Erthazus

    NOPE. There is no juice.

    Crysis 1, ARMA 2, Witcher 2, METRO 2033 and etc. does not agree.

    #13 4 years ago
  14. Blerk

    That’s not even the right argument, Erth. You’re saying that modern PCs are more powerful, which they are – it’s obvious. The argument isn’t that consoles are a match for that, but that there’s still more to be wrung out of the ageing console hardware. It’s two entirely separate issues.

    #14 4 years ago
  15. Erthazus

    Yeah i see blerk. Call Of Duty rip offs that does only corridor stuff barely making 720p and 60fps wannabe

    There is no juice, unless they will start doing everything sub HD which no one will ever do.

    It’s not about the shiny details or visuals, it’s about the scale, AI and gameplay opportunities.

    Crysis 2 showed exactly what is a console version of a game: No destruction, corridors, lots of bloom, crappy AI and etc. 16 players only, small maps.

    I’m sorry Blerk, old hardware can’t do nothing. You get almost the same games every year. It’s time to move on.

    Battlefield 3 that is barely (BARELY) next gen can’t have 64 players on consoles

    #15 4 years ago
  16. Blerk

    You’re too hung up on the tech, man. And possibly shooters. :-D

    #16 4 years ago
  17. Erthazus

    @16, nope. Thats not true at all. I’m just speaking whats the situation right now.

    After playing PC games that are designed specifically for PC i feel like the games are stripped to death on my PS3.

    I want to find at least one game that is close to Witcher 2 in terms of technology, gameplay, story and game design.

    But if i will start to say something about ARMA 2. PS3 and 360 are just childs toy or even worse.

    #17 4 years ago
  18. Blerk

    There are lots of console games that aren’t corridor shooters, though – you’re just picking and choosing examples that fit. Plus most of the examples you’re giving are of historically PC-centric titles which are obviously going to play to the strengths of that hardware. I can’t imagine a game like ARMA 2 even finding an audience on console.

    I don’t understand why you don’t just play these games on your PC and be happy with them? Would The Witcher 2 really be any better if it was on the PS3? Why not just play it on your PC with a pad, hooked up to the telly?

    There are tons of superb console games if you care to look for them. And while we’re not advancing in huge leaps these days, they’re still managing to do things that we would’ve said were impossible just a few years ago. I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be benefit to having ‘more’, but to say that consoles are basically ‘dead’ because there’s nothing else they can do is a nonsense.

    #18 4 years ago
  19. Erthazus

    @18, of course there are superb console games on the PS3 (i bought PS3 just for them). Thats a fact.
    some of them are my favourite games of all time. But they could be much more then just that.

    Consoles limit games capabilities. Crysis 2 showed that perfectly. You can’t make a much better game when consoles limit you with the RAM and graphics card.
    On the PC you can do much more because the technology is unlimited.

    Remember SOTC? Superb game, but it was damn limited as hell and in the end fps for that was horrible.

    People whine for a reason (c) :D

    #19 4 years ago
  20. Blerk

    But the trick with consoles has always been to try and get the most out of what you have. This isn’t something new, they’ve always had to punch beyond their weight – it’s just the nature of the beast.

    SotC had some tech issues, for sure – but it was astonishing that they managed to get it going on the hardware at all. Compare that to some of the early PS2 titles and, like Ken says, you’d never believe it was the same machine. Would it have been ‘better’ with more grunt? Almost certainly. But would I have preferred they not make it for the PS2 at all because of that? Of course not. Once I got immersed in the game, I barely even noticed the tech limitations.

    PC games will always be ‘ahead’ regardless of how often the consoles are refreshed, because there are practically no limits. But the whole point of consoles is that they are fixed tech, relatively cheap and supported for a decent amount of time – that’s the whole reason why they’re popular. Cutting their lives short because PC tech is advancing would remove the whole point of consoles existing in the first place.

    #20 4 years ago
  21. Christopher Jack

    @TheWulf, A little ironic for such a pro-PC person not to have a DX11 enabled card, I’m assuming that you’re using a slightly old Nvidia card because they were a fair bit slower to adopt the new technology than AMD.

    #21 4 years ago
  22. Erthazus

    @20, “But the trick with consoles has always been to try and get the most out of what you have.”

    I’m ok with this, as long as you can change consoles. Right now they are toys and starting from this year there is a huge leap between consoles and PC.

    After games like Witcher 2 and TOTAL WAR: SHOGUN 2 you can’t go back. Soon there is going to be even more juice.
    + when PC games are consolised this is even worse.

    #22 4 years ago
  23. Christopher Jack

    @22, Granted that the Witcher 2 looks damn right amazing but unlike you, I find the transition back to my PS3 very easy because the core experience comes first in my view, I’m even fine playing PSOne games on my HDTV as long as the game is fun to play.

    #23 4 years ago

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  • March PS Plus games include OlliOlli 2, Oddworld: New ‘n’ Tasty, more

    March PlayStation Plus titles have popped up on the PS Plus page. Noticed by NeoGAF user skynidas, the titles include: OlliOlli2 (PS4/VITA) Valiant Hearts: The Great War (PS4) Oddworld: New ‘n’ Tasty (PS4) Counterspy (PS4/PS3) Papo & Yo (PS3) Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishment (PS3) A notice has also been posted on the EU PS […]

  • Sci-fi horror game Caffeine will release on Xbox One, PS4 alongside PC – new trailer

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  • Xbox 360 Preview program invites going out this month

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  • Tron: Legacy director in negotiations for Gran Turismo film

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  • Fifth add-on pack for Alien: Isolation is available for download

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  • HBO Go app now available on PlayStation 4

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  • Skyrim mods no longer restricted to 100MB in size

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  • Mad Max release date set for September, PS3 and Xbox 360 versions canned

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  • MGS 5: The Phantom Pain out in September, Kojima “closing the loop” on saga

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  • Forza Horizon 2 Rockstar Energy Car Pack now available

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  • 3DS firmware update kills web browser exploit

    Nintendo has issued a 3DS firmware update which fixes a web browser exploit that was being used to run pirated Game Boy Color ROMs since January as well as inject code within downloadable games. Another piece of code, per Eurogamer, changed the setting on the handheld to make it region-free. The exploit was only available […]

  • Unreal Tournament video shows updated textures on Outpost 23

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  • Final add-on for Sunset Overdrive arrives in April

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  • Heroes of the Storm playable at EGX Rezzed

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  • PES 2015 Data Pack 4 coming next week with Winter Transfers, new faces

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  • Here’s the changelog for Dragon Age: Inquisition Patch 5

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  • Game of Thrones, Mortal Kombat X, Batman mobile games on the way

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  • Win! Beta access to new MMORPG Skyforge and DLC worth $70

    We have ten Wrath of the Gods Founders Packs to giveaway for new RPG Skyforge, worth over $70. All you need to do to win a Wrath of the Gods pack is enter your details in the form below and we’ll pick 10 winners at random on Thursday, March 5, after 3pm GMT. Skyforge is […]

  • PC gaming expected to be worth $35 billion by 2018

    PC gaming is alive and well. In fact, it’s expected to be worth $35 billion by 2018. According to game-business group Open Gaming Alliance, the PC gaming industry is expected to grow beyond its current $26 billion worth and to a massive $35 billion by the year 2018. The information is based on data collected […]

  • Advanced Warfare: new patch adds new weapon, Master Prestige ranks, more

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare has received a new patch that gives season pass holders early access to a new weapon and everyone else a myriad of fixes and additions. The patch went live today on Xbox 360 and Xbox One, without any official notes. CharlieIntel reports that among the new additions is the new […]

  • Destiny’s end game and raids explained

    Destiny’s end game can be a bit obtuse to those not used to MMO games. Fear not, we’ve got a few quick tips on how to crack it. Arekkz Gaming has a video for new players of Destiny or those who are looking to brush up on their knowledge of the game. Today’s theme is […]

  • Capcom adds local co-op to Resident Evil: Revelations 2 on PC

    Following fan outrage over lack of local co-op support for the PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2, Capcom has now added it. Resident Evil: Revelations 2 now officially supports split-screen local co-op in both campaign and raid mode. The update is currently in beta on Steam, but anyone can opt-in to try it. Capcom […]

  • New Destiny glitch spawns infinite Thralls on Earth

    Destiny’s latest glitch spawns infinite Thralls to help fuel your bounty hunting and loot lust. The glitch is simple to replicate. You’ll need to start The Dark Within mission on Earth, on any difficulty. Then follow the steps in the video below (Via DualShockers) to get to an area out of the map. You’ll then […]

  • Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is here with new game mode, netcode improvements and more

    DICE has released the Winter Patch for Battlefield 4. The patch brings an eSports focus with new game mode Squad Obliteration and plenty more. Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is now live on all platforms. It’s just over 400MB on PC and 1.34GB on consoles. The patch adds new game mode Squad Obliteration and more customisation […]

  • HTC hopes to see Half-Life on VR headset Vive

    Vive manufacturer HTC said that it hopes to see Valve games, including Half-Life, on the virtual reality headset. Speaking to the BBC, HTC chairwoman Cher Wang said that Valve is keen on having its games available on the VR headset. “I think Valve’s best game is Dota, right, and Portal and [Team Fortress] and I […]

  • Make money easily in Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate

    If you’re looking to buy a fell set of armour for your character in Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate but keep falling short on Zenny, this video will show you an easy way to make lots of it. Arekkz Gaming has a very handy tip for all Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate players: how to make Zenny […]

  • This is how you claim free Xbox One games from your Xbox 360

    Microsoft is giving everyone the ability to claim their free Xbox One Games with Gold titles from their Xbox 360 console, even without owning an Xbox One. If you don’t yet own an Xbox One and want to make sure you don’t miss out on all those free Games with Gold games, you’ll be pleased […]

  • Destiny weekly reset for March 3: Heroic and Nightfall detailed

    Bungie has reset the weekly cap of Crucible and Vanguard marks and added new Heroic and Nightfall strikes, now with burn. From now until next Tuesday, the weekly Heroic strike will be The Devil’s Lair with Heroic and Lightswitch modifiers. As for the Nightfall, you’ll be fighting Sepiks Prime with the help of Arc burn. […]

  • Few Mass Effect FemShep cosplays are as elaborate as this one

    The internet is full of Female Commander Shepard cosplay from Mass Effect, but very few are as terrific as this one. Visual artist Freya Willia has spent over two years painstakingly creating the perfect suit of armour and the best weapons to make her cosplay of Female Shepard as authentic as possible, Omni tool and […]

  • Deals with Gold: Assassin’s Creed Unity, Red Dead Redemption and more discounted

    This week’s Deals with Gold titles for Xbox Live subscribers is a good mix of modern games and old favourites. The list of discounted games through this week’s Deals with Gold is live with discounts on Assassin’s Creed Unity, Amazing Spider-Man 2, Red Dead Redemption, Max Payne 3, and more. The deals are live now […]

  • Destiny guide: how to maximise your Grimoire Points

    Destiny players regularly compare the size of their Grimoire Points. Learn how to make yours the biggest. Destiny guide: how to earn Grimoire Points In Destiny, earning most Grimoire cards is just a matter of playing the game, maybe a little more attentively than usual. You’ll either need to complete a certain number of actions […]

  • Shovel Knight: Plague of Shadows will let you play as a baddie

    Shovel Knight owners will benefit from the generosity of Kickstarter backers quite soon. Because Shovel Knight was overfunded during its Kickstarter campaign, developer Yacht Club Games committed to releasing free content updates. The first of these, Plague of Shadows, has now been detailed. The expansion stars baddy Plague Knight, who turns on his former allies, […]

  • GTA controversies, from Hot Coffee to PR manipulation

    GTA has a long history of controversy. The latest Did You Know Gaming tells the full stories behind the sensational headlines. Grand Theft Auto is such a byword for controversy that it’s easy to forget the full context of what actually happened to bring mainstream press, politicians and interest group awareness to the Rockstar series. […]

  • Infamous 2 one of five new PlayStation Now additions for March

    PlayStation Now will expand to the tune of five new games this month. The March PS Now additions are Infamous 2, Twisted Metal, R-Type Dimensions, Alone in the Dark: Inferno and Operation Flashpoint: Red River. PS Now will set you back $20 per month or $45 for a three month subscription. It offers all you […]

  • Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster gets PS4 release date

    Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster hits PS4 in May. The PS4 release date for Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster is May 12 in North America and May 15 in Europe. Gematsu reports a special pre-order bonus calendar with art by Yoshitaka Amano is available through the Square Enix Store and participating retailers. In Europe, pre-ordering […]

  • Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare getting 15 new Prestige levels

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare players can now aspire to the ranks of Grand Master Prestige. Advanced Warfare developer Sledgehammer Games will add 15 more Prestige levels to the latest Call of Duty, giving players at max XP a chance to grow even further. According to the Sledgehammer Games blog, when you enter Master level […]

  • Destiny: Crota’s End recreated in Minecraft

    Destiny’s toughest challenge gets even nastier if you throw Creepers into the mix. The ultimate Destiny challenge – for now – is the Crota’s End raid. Taking place in an alternate dimension accessed through the Hellmouth on the Moon, the Raid takes Guardians through a pit of darkness to the resting place of Crota himself. […]