MW3 trailer confirms Sledgehammer, date

@Phoenix Fair game, but I still don’t see what imaginary acts of carnage have to do with actual ones. It doesn’t look to me to be the work of 13 aspiring kiosk vendors with napsacks and some storebought chemicals.

@Indignants If you’re specifically exploiting a terrorist attack, then fuck yeah you deserve to be scorned to high hell, but if you’re simply exploiting the fact that the world’s violence is suffering from severe overexposure in the 21st century, and that terrorism is a hot topic, then you’re no worse than everybody’s mom who goes around talking about terrorism everytime she goes on a flight or sits next to an immigrant on the bus – or any single 24 hour news network known to man, spewing mindless hyperbole for the masses.

Yes guys, terrorism is being exploited, just as communism, catholicism and paganism before it. The only thing you can do about it, is not to take the bait.

I’m in
more trailers please

dont see how the train being rammed by a car and it derailing, flipping over loads has anything to do with 7/7. omg train, underground in London must mean 7/7, dont think so. If you went through every call of duty game and looked at the missions where some are probably based on real life experiences, shouldnt we complain about those as well. You got planes in America, no ones saying bout 9/11.
Game makers are not being insensitive to certain events, they are just making a game. If they had to be sensitive to people, you’d be running round shooting bubbles at each other(no wait, someone might have had a bubble in their eye, cant use that).

after black ops i didnt wanna get another cod, but damn this trailer looks good.

I definately prefer the modern warfare games to the treyarch games, yes they could put a few things in like combat training but overall im sure it will be way better than blackops

Yeah Black Ops sucks ass just like WAW, thanks alot treyards u suck, Infinty wards is the best at COD

Hmmm I’ve seen both BF3/MW3 trailers now & MW3 looks like more fun. Plus I havn’t seen BF3 running on a ps3 yet, so no guarantee it’ll look as good as MW3 (MW3 should look as good as MW2, which is fine by me).

Looking forward to the mp trailers, cuz lets face it, that’s the big draw for BOTH games.

Oh for the guy ranting about MW3 exploiting terrorism, i look forward to your stiff letter telling off Chuck Norris

@57, the MW3 trailer contains no gameplay. It’s cinematic bullshit designed to build the hype. The BF3 trailer was essentially a tech demo for Frostbite 2.

So who’s to judge what is more fun from that?

@58 Well let’s see.

MW3 Hype bullshit trailer: Shooting at helicopter, from a helicopter. Pinpoint airstrikes from AC130(?). Racing down the Thames in a motorized dinghy and fighting in the streets of London, Germany, France.

BF3 This is a serious shooter, not in anyway a attempt to create a EA cash cow trailer: Crawling across a rooftop… ooh Battlefield does prone!

@59, I had minimum of 10 Chopper dogfights on one round of Heavy Metal alone on BC2 yesterday, Choppers are a BF staple, and guess what? They’re not on rails! I piloted the thing!

Racing down the Thames on… the… rails… fun! A rail shooter!

Any sort of airstrike in MW… untouchable point and click fire from some untouchable on the rails slow moving aircraft which highlights enemies for you… isn’t it fun raking in kills without any skillz! fun fun fun! (holy shit this should be friday).

BF3 trailer, tech demo, look at our new lighting, micro destruction, macro destruction, suppression effects, shooting mechanics. Make you interested in the game by showing you how it works as opposed to showing you a bunch of cutscenes or rail shooter sections with.

@60

I think that the footage shown for the MW3 reveal is certainly indicative of a fun SP campaign, in regards to multiplayer though, Battlefield remains a perennial favourite of mine for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

Battlefield has always felt a lot more open to me; with the vehicles, the destructability and the much larger maps certainly allowing a more varied application of tactics. This, along with decent teamworking makes the MP of the Battlefield appeal a lot more to me. MW MP does a mean Counter Strike 2.0 though however and I can see why those who adore it do.

Freedoms_Stain +1

@60 Not long ago on MW2 I got a 25 kill streak & dropped a nuke ending the round within 7 intense mins. I imagine your helicopter dog fights took longer. I just think minute by minute COD has more fast paced mp action. Which is what i’m after.

As far as on the rails sections go… well your helicopter story was in the mp right? You have no idea how the sp will handle vehicle sections do you? I’m betting on the rails/narrow corridor.

MW3 doesn’t have to show me how it works. I know already. BF3 has to show us something, anything new because their games thus far havn’t been grabbing the largest audiences have they?

I got the ultimate edition of BF2 and did enjoy it. The freedom in the single player was good. Online was awesome, maps are so huge and the fact you can snipe from one side of the map and get some on the other side, plus vehicles.
The only thing i dont like about it, is not being able to system link, I think it would be so much fun just to link up with my m8s.
Mw2 was awesome, maps were good for the sorta game it was, just any map packs, should be exported to mw3, its unfair the amount of times they get you to pay for the same old maps.

I like both apart from the treyarch ones.

“As fare as on the rails sections go… well your helicopter story was in the mp right? You have no idea how the sp will handle vehicle sections do you? I’m betting on the rails/narrow corridor.”

Even in Bd Company 2 you controlled helicopter in singleplayer campaign.

“BF3 has to show us something, anything new”

Isometric destruction?

“their games thus far havn’t been grabbing the largest audiences have they?”

They have the biggest audience on the PC and good niche audience in the console space.
Why you need more?

@63, BC2 had sp vehicle sections, and those I remember were full free control.

Congrats on the Nuke. What method did you use? one man army noob tubes from your 1st spawn? maybe you’re a semtex guy. Maybe you actually shoot guys in the face, I dunno. But I bet you’ve never went 93-0 in a competitive online match gunning from a blackhawk, or went 0-0 piloting that Blackhawk and coming top of the leaderboard. Different strokes I suppose, but I’d rather dodge rockets than spam explosives with a 10 foot kill radius.

Dice could easily have produced a wow factor cinematic trailer, which lets be honest would have blown the tits off this visually, but they chose not to, because they’re selling a game on the games merits rather than feeding off the hype of past glories.

“Selling the game on the games merits” and THAT’s why it won’t sell anywhere near mw3. A good ad campaign with some cinematic bullshit could do wonders for bf3. without that they have no chance of coming anywhere near cod numbers. regardless of what game you guys think will be better for YOU, the bottom line for the studio is to make $$. I bet you if dice thought they could do cod numbers they would sell their firstborn children.

Not sure what you speaking about vehicles but Black Ops have heli level and boat level remember?
I think really questions is it going to have dolphin dive or slide or any NEW mechanic ?

Man I’d forgot about those open section vehicle moments in BFBC… Lol, blonde moment. I guess what’s leaving me cold about BF3 is the idea of running around large open maps being shot by people you can’t see… Or straffed by some fucker in a helicopter *aims stinger at freedom_stains*

I much prefer the tighter maps of MW, plus I don’t have to rely on random strangers on the net to win a match… Just the way i like it.

Oh & those guys who knock Acti for selling the “Same old maps”. Wait until you see how EA nickle & dime BF3… It’ll be epic O_O

@69

Well, historically speaking at least, EA/DICE hasn’t made anybody pay for the ‘same old’ maps; since the same old maps from Bad Company 1 were given away free in Bad Company 2.

I can see where you’re coming from the tighter maps front though; a lot of my friends who are big CoD fans love it for that reason in so far as the action is frenetic, immediate and you aren’t too badly shafted if you find yourself plonked on a team full of gravy slurpers.

@58 Gosh, did you really missed the 12mins fault line trailer, where they state thats actual pre-alpha gameplay footage?! Creep back under your stone …

@71

Uhh, did you mean @58 or @59 there?

Looks good, i like the England and France parts because it makes a nice change, but obv it’s the MP everyone wants.
Also i lol’d at the fact that a massive BF vs. COD argument erupted instantly. I’ve lost the will to get stuck in, its pointless, just play whichever floats your boat. Or play and like both, if that isn’t impossible.

I think BF is a more traditional online chaos experience with people rising from the dead, individual weapon definitions and big maps for everyone to roam on in whatever mode of transfer they might like. It’s good for a time, but I think it’s much more addicting to play a game where everything is largely levelled towards pitting player against player, with as few compromises as possible.

If BF were to become what Brink promised, a full spectrum game, then I’d be clapping my hands, but simply throwing around magical medkits and ammo packs is really not enough to get me hard on its own.

I do hope BF3 is going to be a lot better than BC2 though in all of those regards.

@70 True that, but they also didn’t offer any new content, except paywall skins and a fairly rough expansion in Vietnam. I liked Vietnam a lot more than the original game, but it was hardly a polished product.

I’m really not impressed by a developer slicing and dicing readily made content and calling it new, then expecting to be patted on the back for not charging. I suppose it is better than charging, but do you get patted on the back for not being an asshole about rereleasing ready made content? Are things really that bad?

@74

I agree with your idea of player versus player with as few compromises as possible to an extent. In principal it should be that MW2 and BLOPS are just as you say, player against player with little or not external compromises affecting their performance. A bigger test of *raw* twitch based gaming skill if you like.

In reality however, the number of exploits that a CoD title typically launches with and by proxy, the length of time it takes to see them fixed, can leave the majority of players disgruntled, annoyed and with little recourse except to maybe suck it down and deal with it.

Balancing problems and bugs tend to affect the CoD titles a lot more because the gameplay is that streamlined and that focused.

It’s in this case that the variety of approach that BF provides can be a boon of sorts. If there is someone behind some foliage sniping you to death every time and you *swear* that you rounds are hitting him but mysteriously not killing him, you can very well get into a tank the next time you respawn and fire a tank shell in his general direction or maybe spawn as a recon soldier, dropping a hail of mortars onto his noggin.

Now I realise that i’m talking about marginalising the bugs in the case of BF, or worse, sticking my head in the sand to an extent but from my point of view at least, the additional variety of choice and tactics that you can apply in a game of BF (and I must strongly stress, in a good team) allow a variety of approaches that would otherwise be unavailable to the CoD player.

Again, this is purely from my own experience and point of view.

I do however completely agree with you on the DLC front; both franchises have been weighed and found to be wanting

@75 I tend to hear that a lot, and certainly people running around with nothing but a knife and a gun, or two spitting G18′s are annoying and hard to counter, but they can still be countered with fairly little cunning. G18′s are fierce, but they don’t have the range of a rifle, and the knifewielders are always on the move. Sit down somewhere, create distance, and take them out continually until they realize their mistake and change their tactics. I’m yet to meet any of these supposed world beating exploits or builds that people talk about, although I can see how G18′s and 40mm grenades can be annoying.

Still, I don’t use exploits, and I have no problem climbing the tables.

The only thing I consider a total failure is the fact that shotguns lag as opposed to the other weapons, which travel far faster. It’s insanely frustrating to see yourself push the button faster than some other schmuck, and still ending up as the one on the floor.

I consider BLOPS a different creature, just like WAW before it. It’s much more of a chaos/clusterfuck game. The maps are based on an entirely different way of thinking, whereas in MW2 they’re all square boxes with three avenues and compartments to use for either flanking or chokepointing. And the same thing goes for the weapons.

I wouldn’t want to be the one to tell people to play either one, obviously they have their individual strengths and weaknesses. I don’t disagree about the variety of the tactics though, that’s an element I enjoy about BC2. On the other hand I do love becoming better at the more onetracked disciplines of CoD.

As someone who loved using Danger Close & Noob tubes, i’m the last guy you’ll hear moaning about *exploits*

Have to say i’m always amused by guys ranting about op grenades, their supposed to be deadly genius! You want to run around with fire-crackers?

THE MODERN WARFARE 3 DEMO LEAKED! I’ve been playing it for the past 5 hours, and I must say it’s pretty amazing.

The site that I got the demo from is here.. get it while the link’s still up!

http://modernwarfare3demo.com.nu

@78 Fuck off with your bullshit links cunto.

@65: You sure about that? I remember you could only shoot from the helicopter.