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Anonymous press release: Sony, I am Disappoint

Monday, 9th May 2011 10:50 GMT By Jessica Citizen

Two weeks later, and Anonymous is still being blamed for the unauthorised access which lead Sony to take down the PlayStation Network and Qriocity servers, despite repeatedly pleading innocence. Now, the “hacktivist” group is getting annoyed, and, according to a new press release, disappoint.

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The group has outlined four points of contention relating to the way Sony and various journalists have handled the situation, many of them pointing fingers at the group (whohas never been known to be involved with direct theft against people).

A recent article in the Financial Times is apparently the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back, being riddled with inconsistencies, assumptions and outright inaccurate information. The article, by Joseph Menn, misrepresents the origins of Anonymous itself, and refers to information gathered from Aaron Barr, the former CEO of humiliated security firm HBGary.

Anonymous also proposes that, perhaps, the entire PSNgate affair is a careful smokescreen, constructed to deflect blame from Sony’s servers not meeting credit card security standards.

Whether or not you believe what it’s saying, Anonymous is going to great lengths to defend its reputation. The allegations its making and some of the information that came out of the recent Congressional hearing doesn’t really show electronics giant Sony in the nicest of lights.

The latest news from the Japanese company is that it plans to restart PSN services fully by May 31st, even as the promised partial restoration by May 8th failed to go ahead.

For more information (and a good read), check out the entire press release, which closes with the cryptic lines:
“Apparently Sony will have to learn the hard way that corporate malfeasance will not go unpunished. When the dust settles Sony may have more to fear from a massive class action lawsuit by their user base than the brief actions of the Global Hacker Nerd Brigade, Anonymous… Let THE GAMEs begin. :>”

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  1. Blerk

    Ah, shut up you clowns. Nobody cares what you think. :-D

    #1 3 years ago
  2. EscoBlades

    Oh boy!

    *batten down the hatches*

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Jan

    The latest news from the Japanese company is that it plans to restart PSN services fully by May 31st, even as the promised partial restoration by May 8th failed to go ahead.

    What a fail

    #3 3 years ago
  4. dragonsight

    so, anon is trying to defend its name buy doing or threatening the thing that they were accused of doing?

    obviously, these hackers rode the shortbus.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Dannybuoy

    Annoymous

    #5 3 years ago
  6. Gekidami

    Seriously fuck these guys. They cant just let us play in peace can they, they have to shit allover everything, again and again and again.

    And are they really suggesting that what the Financial Times reports is to cover Sony? They’re taking their conspiracy theories to a whole new level. And i didnt even know there were more levels after “Retarded”.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. Hybridpsycho

    Didn’t anon vets say that there were probably some anons behind the attack? :/

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Kerplunk

    Anonymous also proposes that, perhaps, the entire PSNgate affair is a careful smokescreen, constructed to deflect blame from Sony’s servers not meeting credit card security standards.

    Whether or not you believe what it’s saying, Anonymous is going to great lengths to defend its reputation.

    Anonymous’ reputation is to make threats with people rather than speak with them like adults. Anonymous’ reputation is to talk big and to spread fud. Anonymous’ reputation is to talk first, act second and think last.

    Anonymous are reaping what they’ve sown and should expect as much sympathy and understanding as they have shown those they have targeted.

    A recent article in the Financial Times is apparently the straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back, being riddled with inconsistencies, assumptions and outright inaccurate information.

    Gee, it must be quite annoying to read stuff that misrepresents who you are, what your motives are and makes assumptions to your competency and methods.

    Anonymous, it seems, aren’t able to take what they like to dish out and are starting to lash out at more and more groups (now including journalists) when anything that occurs that they don’t agree with.

    Tough shit, I say. The more threats and ultimatums you make, Anonymous, the more you demonstrate how you’re ill equipped to deal with the real world.

    the promised partial restoration by May 8th failed to go ahead.

    This so-called promise was never a promise. It was a proposal with the stressed caveat that it would only occur once whatever new security measures were installed were performing satisfactorily. If you’re going to report on the details of a date given, you should not omit the conditions that went with it.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. dropK1CK_ninJA

    @7 that was from the Financial Times article mentioned above that broke the silence, apparently.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. daytripper

    i have a feeling the head of this group looks like grima wormtounge from the lord of the rings

    #10 3 years ago
  11. DrDamn

    I like how they lambast some articles for having little basis is fact and reference but then use similar articles as references themselves – like the CNET one on the 3rd attack which was meant to happen over the weekend.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. TheWulf

    Ma, the bull won’t let us play our games. Sure we keep waving this red blanket in front of it to provoke it, and we have no real defences against it when it charges at us, but… the bull is evil, ma!

    At this point, I’m just hoping that the PSN gets raped once again. I was against a second attack, but at this point it may just be bloody necessary. If everyone’s going to keep provoking hackers, then they have be prepared for a fight. Everyone fights in their own ways – including hackers.

    Doesn’t have to be anonymous, as anyone with the right tools and the inclination to hack could pull this off, just like it happened the first time. And Sony fans being douchebags about things and not laying the blame where it belongs is a damn good justification. Maybe if there’s a second outage they’ll start asking Sony how the hell they couldn’t have been prepared for it that time.

    Seriously, screw it. I mean, I thought that this was over, but if Sony and fans alike are just going to keep poking the tiger with a stick, then they deserve everything they get.

    It’d be different if they were wearing some kind of protection whilst poking that tiger, but they’re not. Natural selection will weed such people out.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. Hunam

    I think some of the claims made in the statement are pretty serious. Everyone seems to want to think Sony did no wrong and just think hackers will hack anything if they really want to, but if Sony have been negligent, criminally so, then I want to know. No hack of this size has happened before, so if Sony were just being lazy with security then that makes me feel safer about trusting other sites. If they haven’t then overall cyber security on the net is a cause for concern.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Ireland Michael

    “Two weeks later, and Anonymous is still being blamed for the unauthorised access which lead Sony to take down the PlayStation Network…”

    Two weeks later, and Anonymous is still being given way too much due attention than it deserves.

    Ever hear of the adage “Out of sight, out of mind”?

    #14 3 years ago
  15. OrbitMonkey

    I’m so glad Anonymous are expressing my RAGE at the removal of otherOS, by er removing online gaming (indirectly by their hack, for you pedants)….

    Personally as a consumer, i was gonna register my disapproval by boycotting some Sony products… maybe a nasty email. THIS is a lot more effective, as it removes my freedom of choice & punishes me for buying Sony in the 1st place.

    Thanks Anonymous -_-

    #15 3 years ago
  16. BraveArse

    They’re not tigers, they’re little fucking weasels. When Anonymous was doing something amazing to help change the world – c.f. Tunisia – then they had the world behind them, and then your tiger analogy may have had some weight. But with all this posturing over something that is nothing but a glorified fanboy argument, that analogy floats away, gossamer light.

    It’s a fundamental law of human nature that even the Romans understood better than this. Take away the gladiator fights and the masses will revolt. Anonymous did that and regardless of whether or not they are fully to blame for this last outage, they stuck their head above the wrong parapet.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. Gekidami

    @12
    Sounds like you have battered person syndrome to me. Luckily the rest of the world doesnt follow your logic, there wouldnt be much of a world left if they did.

    #17 3 years ago
  18. Mondayding

    Welcome, Anonymous, to the world of mainstream journalism. Shocking, isn’t it, when people get things wrong?

    #18 3 years ago
  19. Kerplunk

    @12 “At this point, I’m just hoping that the PSN gets raped once again. I was against a second attack, but at this point it may just be bloody necessary. If everyone’s going to keep provoking hackers..

    Well, you’re making it abundantly clear which flag you pin your colours on aren’t you?

    Also, nobody provoked the hackers. The self-righteous hackers decided to find a cause that they could exploit to legitimise their misdirected talents at. Nobody targeted them at all. The same cannot be said of the hackers though.

    Hackers are the perpetrators of these crimes, not the innocent victims.

    Also, I don’t think anyone wants to live in a world where some anonymous, reckless, douchebag can point his finger at whoever he likes and make baseless threats that amount to “Run things my way, or else“.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Kerplunk

    Also: this. :)

    #20 3 years ago
  21. mathare92

    Likening the hackers to a tiger is equivalent to likening an annoying mosquito to a pterodactyl.

    #21 3 years ago
  22. RandomTiger

    @20 They are infighting now? lol

    Really no-one comes out of this in good shape;

    Hotz had to settle and has to stay away from Sony,
    Sony is humiliated and losing revenue,
    Sony’s gamer customers are punished for choosing PSN,
    Sony’s developers utilising PSN are disadvantaged (unless they are in the make good bundle I guess),
    And now Anonymous risks a poor public profile, internal divisions and infighting.

    Good for security firms I guess, the silver lining is that security is probably being reviewed in a lot of companies now.

    I suppose we should be glad that no-one hacked PSN to deliver custom firmwares that brick your ps3.

    #22 3 years ago
  23. mojo

    nice one.
    go anon go!

    power to the people.

    their press release is in fact the most accurate written piece about the matter.
    Take a slice of that journos.

    #23 3 years ago
  24. OrbitMonkey

    @12 “Sony fans being douchebags about things and not laying the blame where it belongs is a damn good justification”.

    Would you like a side order of spite to go with that main course of patronization? Maybe Ps3 owners would have more empathy with your heroic hackers, if they’d been consulted about all this?

    But that would mean they actually gave a shit about us console owning nubs wouldn’t it?

    #24 3 years ago
  25. OrbitMonkey

    @23 Oh please do you even understand the origin of that chant? Just how are Anon’s actions empowering ps3 users? Or are you just cheering them on because you have a axe to grind with Sony, but never had the stones to swing it?

    Just how a unseen, biased, lawless group making decisions that affect thousands, with no recourse or consultation for the affected is a good thing for society is beyond me. Still criminals always have their fans, usually untill those fans become victims themselves.

    #25 3 years ago
  26. daytripper

    lets not start with the whole my console is better than yours shit. people are being withheld from enjoying something due to faceless hackers and a company that never came clean about the situation until they had to.

    its the gamers i feel for, the ones who’ve used their hard earned money to buy something they enjoy and are left feeling frustrated by the whole thing, i mean would people like steam or xbox live to be hacked and you cant enjoy them? no you wouldnt.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. _LarZen_

    Anon or other hackers “fighting” for the consumers…yeah right…we all fucking hate you.

    Home FBI and Homeland Security find the people behind this and throw them in jail for a long long time.

    And Anon name is now a symbol of hate not freedom.

    #27 3 years ago
  28. ManuOtaku

    Look i dont like what anonymous did with the DOS attack that affected the PSN users, and i dont like the PSN being shutdown for this long time, but they have a point in what they said.

    i think sony did need a lesson, the thing that bothers me is that this affected consumers as well, but they needed a lesson nevertheless, as a PS3 Owner(and i believe that the persons that can critize sony are the owners, for that i think the people needs to keep buying the sony products in order to elevate their voices and opinions about what is wrong with them, so they can be better providers), i feel that sony didnt care too much about their users, as a PS3 owner i have the right to call the things they do bad, like the removal of other OS without any compensation,the ps2 backwards compatibility took off of newer models, the missinformation about the removal of Other OS that in reality was for money issues instead of the first sony announcements that was for piracy purposes, the lack of information with the PSN outage, the not encryption of our personal data and passwords, and now with the missinformation about the coming back of the PSN for last week and now they are stating for the end of this month, keep in mid that electronic device always gets new iterations in order to be and upgrade version or make a better the version, therefore they should aslo add features not to take them away like this case, therefore for me they are to many indications that sony needed an strong lesson, in order for them to became a better company to their users, the bad thing is that it affected us as well, but that was the only way sony could understood and become better.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. SplatteredHouse

    @12: I see, so it’s supposed to be a mistake to identify Anonymous’ activities with those of malicious hackers, but it’s another matter to identify the majority of consumers, who want to enjoy their leisure time on their console with their friends, those activities, with the vocal minority of internet posters, who want to incite the tiger for whatever reason?

    #29 3 years ago
  30. OrbitMonkey

    @28 Sorry mate your so very wrong. It was made very obvious that Sony were going to start removing features from the 40gb onwards. Yeah to reduce cost, lower price & save people money.

    Hackers were goin after the ps3 from launch, the removal of otherOS as justification is bullshit.

    Anonymous are going after Sony, for going after hackers. Period. They are showing the consumer more contempt than Sony ever has.

    I don’t need criminals acting on my behalf, as a consumer i make my point with my money thanks.

    #30 3 years ago
  31. DaMan

    They removed the backwards compatibilty to artificially stimulate PS2 sales.

    #31 3 years ago
  32. Kerplunk

    How would that, in any context, be artificial?

    #32 3 years ago
  33. DaMan

    It’s era was over, and the successor was supposed to replace it for most in developed countries. They put it on (extra) life support, when they saw the new one isn’t selling like hot cakes. When the old edition isn’t supposed to be selling anymore, and you use the new one to help the former, artificial is how i would describe it.

    #33 3 years ago
  34. OlderGamer

    Daytripper +1

    #34 3 years ago
  35. Alakratt

    @33 I know they removed backwards compability because of that. But here’s my question: why not let die the PS2 and increase the PS3′ sales by keeping backwards compability?

    #35 3 years ago
  36. Kerplunk

    But, an objective person could argue that as soon as Nintendo ditched the Gamecube and MS ditched the XBOX in favour of their new machines they left a market wide open to whoever remained. In that regard, the two competing companies also ‘artificially’ stimulated sales of the PS2 by voluntarily withdrawing themselves from that market.

    And you’re also overlooking sales of PS2 in regions that it had only since been introduced to after the PS3 was launched – of which the PS3 (backwards compatibility or not) could not possibly have influenced.

    So, PS2 sales were stimulated by far more ‘genuine’ things than so-called ‘artificial’ ones.

    But, sure, if you must insist on taking a single act at the expense of all the others then, sure, the only reason PS2s have continued to sell is because of removal of PS3 back compatibility.

    And how come PS1s still sold when PS2′s were around with back-compatibility in them?

    #36 3 years ago
  37. OrbitMonkey

    @31 *Sony boardroom, couple of years back….*

    Chairman- No ones buying our consoles!! Why?!
    Execs- It’s too expensive….
    Chairman- tell them to get 2 jobs!!
    Execs- Tried that….
    Chairman- Hmmmm… Remove backwards compatability!
    Execs- eh?
    Chairman- It lowers production cost & any savings we make, we use to lower the price!
    Execs- But what if customers *spit* want to play ps2 games?
    Chairman- Then those cheap fucks can buy a ps2!!
    Execs- Lol!!
    Chairman- Or we’ll release them later as HD classics!!
    Execs- Rofl!!

    #37 3 years ago
  38. Dannybuoy

    I think it’s pretty clear that GlaDos is responsible for the attack

    #38 3 years ago
  39. OlderGamer

    PS3 BC also encouages games to be made in the PS2 format. Esp budget 3rd party games. Doing that over a long haul can help so called emerging markets only now being introduced to PS2, by continuing to supply new games.

    But emerging markets aside.

    Like it or not PS3 BC is a big deal, same was true for xb360. Thats why so many xbox one games were patched to work on xb360. Gamers have invested in a libary of games, they see a loss of BC as a loss on that investment of said libary.

    And going forward BC had better in all new systems. Between our physical game discs to our DLC and digital downloaded games. It just all needs to be there and it all needs to work.

    I hope Sony(and MS) have learned something from the PS3 dropping BC.

    #39 3 years ago
  40. DaMan

    Ah, bringing up the competitors. I knew you would do that.

    No.

    Since Gamecube was doing awfully bad, and Xbox wasn’t doing good either, more so with the introduction of new consoles (Wii and 360) their discontinuations didn’t do anything substantial at all. Gamecube was basically dead at that point.

    If you actually read what I said then you would see that i mentioned the certain regions. Notice the words that look very much like ‘developed countries’. Also, I can’t see my post saying that was the ‘only reason’.

    Lastly, they decided to not let it die because it was apparent the successor won’t be taking off the same way soon, it was the right time for their previous product’s swan song.

    #40 3 years ago
  41. OlderGamer

    Not to mention but Wii is fully BC and plays Gamecube games anyways.

    #41 3 years ago
  42. Kerplunk

    “PS3 BC also encouages games to be made in the PS2 format”

    So the ongoing existence of a PS2 market doesn’t really make a difference in the existence of PS2 development, but if only PS3 had back-compatibility the PS2 market would be thriving??

    That’s some great logic leap-frogging going on there. Truly astonishing.

    And, using history as a rather useful example, how can you assert that theory given the co-existence of PS1 and PS2s with back compatibility?

    @40 I was bringing up market forces, which take the form of competition, yes.

    But if you lower your knee-jerk defenses for a moment and consider logic: you’ve just been left an entire generation’s market to yourself because your competitors have walked away of their own accord.

    Do you:

    a) give up the advantage they’ve just handed to you

    or

    b) exploit it

    This point isn’t about fanboy wars (even though you want to give the impression that’s what it’s about in order to dismiss it), it’s about being handed over an entire market by your competitors. I can understand why you’d want to pretend that never happened but, unfortunately, history isn’t going to let you.

    #42 3 years ago
  43. kingofscotland

    I have a launch 60GB PS3 with b/c and do you know how many PS2 games I have played on it????

    MGS 3 – end of!!!

    All this time and thats all I have played.

    I would like to play ICO and Shaddow of the Colossus but they are original sealed copies and collectors so have resisted and will wait for the HD collection to play.

    BC has always been overhyped in my opinion – people always want what they cant have. I agree that it is a good selling tool initially when the games library is small, but after a year – its redundant really.

    However in saying that I would be dissapointed if the PS4 wasnt b/c with the PS3

    #43 3 years ago
  44. StolenGlory

    @43

    You’re right and also the BC in the PS3 is fundamentally flawed in a number of different ways across a selection of different titles (both PS1 and PS2)

    For example, the unit can’t recognise the fourth disc in Final Fantasy VIII (Platinum or standard SKU), meaning that you’ve pretty much flushed 40+ hours of gaming down the crapper by this point.

    Yakuza 2 on PS2 can’t proceed past Chapter 10 when used on the PS3 BC, since the game hits a black screen and doesn’t recover.

    I’ve heard of many other horror stories in addition to the above which is why it bugs me a tad when people look at the BC in the 60GB unit as being some kind of Holy Grail, when in actual fact it was completely half-assed at best.

    #44 3 years ago
  45. Kerplunk

    @43 BC has been overhyped because, like OtherOS, people only give a shit about something when they know they can’t have it.

    The usual suspects will always always take those molehills and make them into enormous mountains to preach from. Even though the reality and history tends to be far different from the sermon they hope to have you believe.

    #45 3 years ago
  46. OlderGamer

    Your putting words in my mouth Kerplunk. That or not understanding what I wrote.

    And we did see the samething on PS1 when Sony moved to PS2.

    I am not suggesting that the PS2 is selling because PS3 is or isn’t BC.

    I am saying that lower budget titles, often get made for legacy systems long after the newer systems come out. By having all PS2 and all PS3 systems able to play PS2 games, it opens a larger market for new PS2 games. We saw that with PS1/PS2. I bought a handful of new release games that were PS1 format to play on my PS2 back then. Many of them were ports of JP games, like Gunbird 1(renamed Mobile Light Force) for example. And also a couple of newer origonal games.

    By having the new hardware playing older format games, it reduces/removes the risk accoiciated with bringing out new games on the old format for game companies. this is very important for game devs/pubs that can’t yet afford to make games on the newer more expensive format.

    Indirectly, that fact that Newly made older format games are still viable, has to help further expansion of the over all brand into emerging markets. Even if that brand is a legact format.

    Its a win win win.

    Your brand name can still grow and expand into other regions.

    Games(that Sony/MS/Nintendo can make money from liscencing) still are being made.

    Gamers don’t lose their investment, and are often able to buy new games that weren’t going to become avalible any other way.

    Very hard to agrue against BC.

    As far as old hardware selling after the new hardware launches. There are massive numbers out there that could not afford 600usd for a new PS3. To them 100usd for a PS2 must have looked a lot more palatable.

    #46 3 years ago
  47. Democracy

    Lets lynch all annonymous members and move on.

    #47 3 years ago
  48. mojo

    25: far away from beeing true.
    Ive always had sony consoles, never had an ms console and didnt have a nintendo console since SNES. I love Sony for what they do for gaming, ive had and have other sony devices (from walkman to HullHD TV) and never had any complaints about them. to be honest, i found them always high quality and never had any problems with them, although my first ps3 started to make enormous noise after 2 years.

    “Just how are Anon’s actions empowering ps3 users? ”
    its not about PS3 users.
    its about consumers.
    i would react exactly the same way if anon would do this to a complete different company, not even related to the gaming industry.

    This whole Sony DESASTER, how they act and behave, what they are doing and especialy what they didnt do is an absolute shame.
    And how much ppl even defend sony is beyond ME.
    They deserve this, if its right or wrong regarding legal things i do not care.
    im not a judge, im a consumer. I care for my rights.
    and im with anybody who also cares. Anon does. anybody else? not so much.

    Im talking about the initial anonymous.
    The breach, and i believe them when they say they didnt do it, is a complete different thing.

    furthermore: anything what TheWulf said: +1

    #48 3 years ago
  49. ManuOtaku

    # 47 With all due respect, that comment doesnt suit your name in the slightliest 8D

    #49 3 years ago
  50. StolenGlory

    “Very hard to agrue against BC.”

    In general I would agree, but it needs to be done properly with no half-assed compatibility measures.

    #50 3 years ago
  51. DaMan

    @Kerplunk

    I don’t see any ‘knee-jerk reaction’ around here, I just thought your excuses were way too predictable.

    Anyway, no. Keep trying, you’ll get it eventually.

    I was addressing the comment about removing features to bring down costs, which the PS2 one wasn’t actually about. At least primarily. You seem to be having fun here, trying to derail the conversation and basically making excuses for Sony. Further and further you ‘re going off from the original post. More and more new sub-topics magically appear.

    PS2 sales skyrocketed, would it struggle to perform they would certainly try and increase the appeal of it’s predecessor.

    #51 3 years ago
  52. OlderGamer

    @StolenGlory

    100% agree with that. I have a fully BC PS3. And I play most of my PS2 games on my PS2 on a SDTV in my den. Some of the games just don’t look good on my PS3 in HD.

    #52 3 years ago
  53. StolenGlory

    @52

    Well, on the whole, you US folk were pretty damn lucky with the BC on the PS3 since it still had roughly around what, 97% compatiability?

    The BC on EU machines was HUGELY reduced in comparison and really wasn’t worth bothering with at all.

    #53 3 years ago
  54. OlderGamer

    Thats true, I forgot about that. They went with software emulation or something didn’t they?

    #54 3 years ago
  55. Kerplunk

    @51 My ‘excuses’ seem predictable because they’re based in historic fact. :)

    It’s kind of like you saying to an innocent man “I knew you’d claim you weren’t guilty”. Just because the response is predictable doesn’t give it grounds for dismissal – though, so far, that’s been your tactic each time – to dismiss.

    Your competitors leave you the market to yourself. You exploit it.

    No matter the crackpot theories that PS2 doesn’t encourage PS2 games but PS3 with BC would (still reeling from that ‘logic’) it’s pretty clear what went on and you have to go a very very long way to present an argument demonising Sony for why the market was handed over to them for continued PS2 sales by their competitors.

    As for your other comments, you’re doing an awful lot of implying of character in efforts to dismiss whatever I’m saying. You have guess-work and conjecture on your side (I’m going to assume you weren’t running Sony at that time in their history) whereas I have history to support my arguments.

    “PS2 sales skyrocketed”. I don’t need to see sales figures but, even so, that’s a baseless comment. I find it hard to believe that, in the wake of the PS3, PS2 sales ‘skyrockted’ to the degree you’re hoping to imply.

    Keep banging that drum DaMan. Someone will be sure to hear it someday.

    PS: I prefer your alter-ego.

    #55 3 years ago
  56. StolenGlory

    @54 Yeah, that’s right – they stuck with software emulation to avoid the additional EU tax IIRC, that they would have to pay had they kept in the hardware component that granted close to full BC for you guys.

    #56 3 years ago
  57. OlderGamer

    That sucks :(

    #57 3 years ago
  58. DaMan

    Ah, yes. Kerplunk took offense to my comment. I get it now.

    :(

    He then further took offense now, and saw something that wasn’t there. Flashback? 2008?

    You say I try to dismiss something after your own attempts at exactly that.

    I didn’t run Sony, nor would I want to do that. but I incidentally do remember Sir Howard Stringer mentioning ‘PS brand’ sales (opposed to PS3) as the demonstration of strong market positions. I also enjoy common sense, and recommend you practicing it.

    #58 3 years ago
  59. Blerk

    It was only half software in Europe. The original JP/US PS3s had built in Emotion Engines and Graphics Synthesisers, whereas the European version only had the Graphics Synth – the EE was software.

    I truly believe the only reason they took it out was for the costs involved. They needed to bring the prices down, most people didn’t use it, the chips were relatively expensive – no brainer.

    #59 3 years ago
  60. DaMan


    “PS2 sales skyrocketed”. I don’t need to see sales figures but, even so, that’s a baseless comment. I find it hard to believe that, in the wake of the PS3, PS2 sales ‘skyrockted’ to the degree you’re hoping to imply

    Errr. I was actually talking about 2000.. That was supposed to be aimed at PS1/PS2 notion.

    #60 3 years ago
  61. StolenGlory

    @57

    Well yeah, I thought so at the time, but I had part-exchanged my PS2 in against a PS3 to make it more affordable, so I had a nice shiny PS3 to take home with me so it was a silver lining of sorts.

    It was during the drier periods of software post-launch (and even at launch I guess) that I began to pine for gaming sessions on God Hand and Final Fantasy XII, but even so, as gullable as i’m gonna sound, if Sony can keep pumping out PS2 remakes with HD licks of paint (God Of War Collection, Sly Trilogy HD and ICO/SOTC HD) then i’ll be just as content with that to be fair.

    One thing is for sure though, unless BC is confirmed to be 100% accurate in whatever set of consoles come next, i’m not going to trust it based on my past experiences.

    #61 3 years ago
  62. StolenGlory

    @59

    Yeah i’m sure you’re right Blerk, I was just assuming about the software emulation based on bits and pieces that I remember. I forgot that it was a hodgepodge of software and hardware emulation. But yep, driving the cost down to get PS3′s in more and more household was certainly a more prominent (and smart) objective to go for than to perfectly placate the PS2 owning massive who didn’t let the lack of true BC deter them from upgrading.

    #62 3 years ago
  63. Nozz

    So its May 31st now!

    Lord have mercy…

    #63 3 years ago
  64. Kerplunk

    @63 Aaaaannnd the circle is complete and we’re back on topic. Nice one Nozz :D

    #64 3 years ago
  65. DaMan

    How much did the price come down though, I don’t really recall any increase in sales after they did that. Surely they would’ve reflected that.

    I think the move to differentiate the two products was the one which makes sense. With well selling titles like GoW2 still coming out for PS2, and the new one not setting the world on fire, it is a practical move to make people buy the old one. It was it’s last swan song really.

    #65 3 years ago
  66. Cygnar

    “Anonymous also proposes that, perhaps, the entire PSNgate affair is a careful smokescreen, constructed to deflect blame from Sony’s servers not meeting credit card security standards.”

    Yes, anonymous, that must be Sony’s little trick: it breaches its contractual obligations with developers by taking down its own networks for weeks, it smears its own reputation by claiming that it could not protect the better part of one hundred million users’ personal details, and sparks the ire of major governments by staging one of the largest data breaches in history, all so it can blame and sue teenagers who, taken together, still do not have anywhere near the amount of money Sony lost through this attack. That must be the way a billion-dollar corporation would feign compliance with data security laws.

    It is a shame, VG247 authors, that you so readily accept allegations as true, treating claims from IRC logs and rumor as fact when factual verification of the same issues is available even to laypeople like us. Even in this article, it is clear that you are giving factual treatment to unverified accusations. You afforded full weight to Spafford’s allegations when in his own testimony before Congress, he admitted that his opinions were mere repetitions of media finger-pointing rather than his own observations:

    “I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date, and had been warned about that risk.”

    In actual fact, it took a forum user on the Beyond3D forums to do the research bloggers like you refused to conduct yourselves; Google’s cache of Sony’s database indicated that it was fully updated, refuting Spafford’s opinions with verifiable facts that even we can check ourselves.

    Does it matter to you whether any of these allegations are true? Are you willing to do more than to merely parrot the accusations of other news sites? Or is it merely enough to assert that Sony’s protections were inadequate, when people who are paid to know these things still don’t know, and call your news stories complete?

    You assert that the press release at the end of your post is “a good read” without evaluating its factual accuracy. Maybe you should give the Congressional testimony “a good read” to see what it actually says, and try to keep in mind that accusations do not equate to facts.

    It is easy to present opinions as facts. It is often more entertaining to read news when writers’ personal convictions are conflated with verifiable evidence. But research is the difference between reporting news and engaging in the same hysterical madness that characterizes the unfounded opinions that so often proliferate just beneath the blog post.

    #66 3 years ago
  67. Kerplunk

    @66 Will you marry me?

    #67 3 years ago
  68. OrbitMonkey

    @66 That was superb *bows*

    #68 3 years ago
  69. Rad430

    @66 you’re completely right!
    they just want to destroy sony’s reputation,which they never ever can.

    #69 3 years ago
  70. NeoSquall

    @67 No, he’s gonna marry ME!

    btw, I still have my PS2 (Slim) standing beside my PS3 (Slim), while the old PlayStation (the original, not the god-awful PSOne) is resting in its box in my room, but I think I’ll put it in a good display once we’ll finish house renovations.

    And I regret nothing of these purchases.

    #70 3 years ago
  71. Tizzo86

    this situation is crazy still..smh…my daughter mother buggin me bout spendin time and sony wanna say all da way on may 31st the PSN should on…it may 9th

    #71 3 years ago
  72. hitnrun

    Does it matter to you whether any of these allegations are true? Are you willing to do more than to merely parrot the accusations of other news sites?

    Um…no?

    This is a 24/7 news blog. People come here to read the latest poop. It’s not VG247′s job to do PR for Sony. The fanboys are doing enough of that.

    You can argue about what threshold of rumor should be high enough for reportage, but I’m pretty sure reporting on Congressional testimony will always clear it.

    #72 3 years ago
  73. TVs Everywhere

    @72. Cute. So you think it’s perfectly OK for VG247 and the rest of these so-called “gaming news sites” to pass off hearsay and rumors as fact, then when someone calls them out on it and asks them to actually do their JOB and follow up their allegations with facts, you come here and say this is doing Sony’s PR.

    So let me get this straight. It’s Sony PR when it involves actual fact, but when it involves rumors and hearsay, that’s VG247′s job. Good to know you’re outlining exactly what role these sites should play. A role of posting misleading, inflammatory garbage aimed only at the piss takers for pageviews. It’s really nice you’re giving us such a great view of yours of this site.

    Myself? I’d like these sites to have a little more class, and I completely agree with @66 on this. How about these so-called news sites/blogs/whatever actually check their facts? No, it can’t happen and it won’t happen because just reporting on rumors and hearsay is A) a far easier thing to do and B) gets you far more pageviews.

    Admit it. Right now it’s popular to piss on Sony, so reporters are going to do what’s popular and they’re going to piss on Sony. Asking VG247 and other like-minded sites to do their JOB and report on FACTS rather than inflammatory rumors isn’t in any way a pro-Sony stance. The fact that you think it is shows us how little you care about facts but rather how much more Sony bashing you’d like in your morning cereal.

    #73 3 years ago
  74. NeoSquall

    @73 I beg to differ.

    I’m taking a cautious stance in reporting on the “PSN-gate” for the site I work for, taking my time to check multiple sources and gather data, then making a summary.

    I did this twice, until the supposed credit cards theft claim; after that I stopped to gather more data and, most importantly, wait for confirmations on the sources.

    For this I thank Cygnar for sharing the cache stamp which shows that the PSN servers weren’t out of date, a bit of data I will use on my next article.

    #74 3 years ago
  75. NightCrawler1970

    I thought the group was splitted in 2, the innocence anonymous, the one that tells everybody that he wasn’t behind the attack and now the new group called “anonymous VET”, a bunch of retards that where member of anonymous, but didn’t listen to the leader that order them to lame the server and don’t touch people information,so the “anonymous VET” is the group that Lame the server and also stole people ID and CC&DC’s…..

    after all, the “anonymous” got the blame for all, because he start with that shit….

    #75 3 years ago
  76. urbz2011

    Rage quit much?

    #76 3 years ago
  77. Anonymous

    Cygnar,

    You clearly have not seen the full press release. All of Anonymous’ claims were backed by sources, links etc etc and fact checked and edited by over 20 people.

    Also, the blogger that “revealed that Sony’s servers were up to date” actually only revealed that ONE of Sony’s MANY servers were up to date. The caches show that the other servers were outdated by approximated 2 years. What you need to understand is this:

    Sony’s servers WERE out of date and ARE STILL going to be out of date. Early logs from the new servers they are testing are even out of date. So please, you know, believe the ONE person that said a Sony server was up to date, or believe the MAJORITY of people who have been saying that Sony’s servers were out of date by approximately 2 years. Go google around and find this out for yourself. Only one of Sony’s servers was up to date.

    Also, when we are talking up to date, or out of date, we are talking about the Apache software itself. Let alone the rest of the software on the servers, including firewalls (or lack-thereof) etc etc. Please consider for yourself that perhaps PSN and SOE and Sony itself are not all you think they are cracked up to be.

    I wish the PSN fanbois would quit whining and just go play with their systems.

    #77 3 years ago
  78. OlderGamer

    Good post hitnrun

    #78 3 years ago
  79. Gekidami

    @77
    Lets see your sources, then.

    #79 3 years ago
  80. Robo_1

    So this news had me laughing, apparently Anonymous have been hacked… :D

    You can get the story at:

    http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/05/09/anonymous-get-hacked/comment-page-5/#comments

    Enjoy the karma guys. :)

    #80 3 years ago
  81. Ireland Michael

    @80 Hah, that’s hilarious.

    The Law Of Karma:`For every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.’ A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things.’

    When will people get it into their heads though that this AnonOps group is *not* part of the wider Anonymous network, the one that actually *has* real exposure and some marginal capacity and ability to affect things? They’re just a bunch of bored kids who think you can be a new age revolutionist.

    #81 3 years ago
  82. gamestx

    SEAL team 6. Please take out this cyber terrorist group called Anonymous. I’m tired of them keep thinking they’re innocent while its clear that they started all this. Their attacks struck fear in us and shock the very foundation of our online/Internet freedom. We never forget.

    #82 3 years ago
  83. Espers

    “Sony may have more to fear from a massive class action lawsuit by their user base” <== is that even logical .. let's say it will happen … what will the fan base gain ?!

    NO PSN, NO ONLINE GAMING, NO FUN, NO SONY … What's the alternative ?

    XBOX3SHITTY ?!

    #83 3 years ago
  84. Robo_1

    Is it TEA time already?

    #84 3 years ago