Anonymous press release: Sony, I am Disappoint

@Kerplunk

I don’t see any ‘knee-jerk reaction’ around here, I just thought your excuses were way too predictable.

Anyway, no. Keep trying, you’ll get it eventually.

I was addressing the comment about removing features to bring down costs, which the PS2 one wasn’t actually about. At least primarily. You seem to be having fun here, trying to derail the conversation and basically making excuses for Sony. Further and further you ‘re going off from the original post. More and more new sub-topics magically appear.

PS2 sales skyrocketed, would it struggle to perform they would certainly try and increase the appeal of it’s predecessor.

@StolenGlory

100% agree with that. I have a fully BC PS3. And I play most of my PS2 games on my PS2 on a SDTV in my den. Some of the games just don’t look good on my PS3 in HD.

@52

Well, on the whole, you US folk were pretty damn lucky with the BC on the PS3 since it still had roughly around what, 97% compatiability?

The BC on EU machines was HUGELY reduced in comparison and really wasn’t worth bothering with at all.

Thats true, I forgot about that. They went with software emulation or something didn’t they?

@51 My ‘excuses’ seem predictable because they’re based in historic fact.

It’s kind of like you saying to an innocent man “I knew you’d claim you weren’t guilty”. Just because the response is predictable doesn’t give it grounds for dismissal – though, so far, that’s been your tactic each time – to dismiss.

Your competitors leave you the market to yourself. You exploit it.

No matter the crackpot theories that PS2 doesn’t encourage PS2 games but PS3 with BC would (still reeling from that ‘logic’) it’s pretty clear what went on and you have to go a very very long way to present an argument demonising Sony for why the market was handed over to them for continued PS2 sales by their competitors.

As for your other comments, you’re doing an awful lot of implying of character in efforts to dismiss whatever I’m saying. You have guess-work and conjecture on your side (I’m going to assume you weren’t running Sony at that time in their history) whereas I have history to support my arguments.

“PS2 sales skyrocketed”. I don’t need to see sales figures but, even so, that’s a baseless comment. I find it hard to believe that, in the wake of the PS3, PS2 sales ‘skyrockted’ to the degree you’re hoping to imply.

Keep banging that drum DaMan. Someone will be sure to hear it someday.

PS: I prefer your alter-ego.

@54 Yeah, that’s right – they stuck with software emulation to avoid the additional EU tax IIRC, that they would have to pay had they kept in the hardware component that granted close to full BC for you guys.

That sucks

Ah, yes. Kerplunk took offense to my comment. I get it now.

He then further took offense now, and saw something that wasn’t there. Flashback? 2008?

You say I try to dismiss something after your own attempts at exactly that.

I didn’t run Sony, nor would I want to do that. but I incidentally do remember Sir Howard Stringer mentioning ‘PS brand’ sales (opposed to PS3) as the demonstration of strong market positions. I also enjoy common sense, and recommend you practicing it.

It was only half software in Europe. The original JP/US PS3s had built in Emotion Engines and Graphics Synthesisers, whereas the European version only had the Graphics Synth – the EE was software.

I truly believe the only reason they took it out was for the costs involved. They needed to bring the prices down, most people didn’t use it, the chips were relatively expensive – no brainer.

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“PS2 sales skyrocketed”. I don’t need to see sales figures but, even so, that’s a baseless comment. I find it hard to believe that, in the wake of the PS3, PS2 sales ‘skyrockted’ to the degree you’re hoping to imply
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Errr. I was actually talking about 2000.. That was supposed to be aimed at PS1/PS2 notion.

@57

Well yeah, I thought so at the time, but I had part-exchanged my PS2 in against a PS3 to make it more affordable, so I had a nice shiny PS3 to take home with me so it was a silver lining of sorts.

It was during the drier periods of software post-launch (and even at launch I guess) that I began to pine for gaming sessions on God Hand and Final Fantasy XII, but even so, as gullable as i’m gonna sound, if Sony can keep pumping out PS2 remakes with HD licks of paint (God Of War Collection, Sly Trilogy HD and ICO/SOTC HD) then i’ll be just as content with that to be fair.

One thing is for sure though, unless BC is confirmed to be 100% accurate in whatever set of consoles come next, i’m not going to trust it based on my past experiences.

@59

Yeah i’m sure you’re right Blerk, I was just assuming about the software emulation based on bits and pieces that I remember. I forgot that it was a hodgepodge of software and hardware emulation. But yep, driving the cost down to get PS3′s in more and more household was certainly a more prominent (and smart) objective to go for than to perfectly placate the PS2 owning massive who didn’t let the lack of true BC deter them from upgrading.

So its May 31st now!

Lord have mercy…

@63 Aaaaannnd the circle is complete and we’re back on topic. Nice one Nozz

How much did the price come down though, I don’t really recall any increase in sales after they did that. Surely they would’ve reflected that.

I think the move to differentiate the two products was the one which makes sense. With well selling titles like GoW2 still coming out for PS2, and the new one not setting the world on fire, it is a practical move to make people buy the old one. It was it’s last swan song really.

“Anonymous also proposes that, perhaps, the entire PSNgate affair is a careful smokescreen, constructed to deflect blame from Sony’s servers not meeting credit card security standards.”

Yes, anonymous, that must be Sony’s little trick: it breaches its contractual obligations with developers by taking down its own networks for weeks, it smears its own reputation by claiming that it could not protect the better part of one hundred million users’ personal details, and sparks the ire of major governments by staging one of the largest data breaches in history, all so it can blame and sue teenagers who, taken together, still do not have anywhere near the amount of money Sony lost through this attack. That must be the way a billion-dollar corporation would feign compliance with data security laws.

It is a shame, VG247 authors, that you so readily accept allegations as true, treating claims from IRC logs and rumor as fact when factual verification of the same issues is available even to laypeople like us. Even in this article, it is clear that you are giving factual treatment to unverified accusations. You afforded full weight to Spafford’s allegations when in his own testimony before Congress, he admitted that his opinions were mere repetitions of media finger-pointing rather than his own observations:

“I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date, and had been warned about that risk.”

In actual fact, it took a forum user on the Beyond3D forums to do the research bloggers like you refused to conduct yourselves; Google’s cache of Sony’s database indicated that it was fully updated, refuting Spafford’s opinions with verifiable facts that even we can check ourselves.

Does it matter to you whether any of these allegations are true? Are you willing to do more than to merely parrot the accusations of other news sites? Or is it merely enough to assert that Sony’s protections were inadequate, when people who are paid to know these things still don’t know, and call your news stories complete?

You assert that the press release at the end of your post is “a good read” without evaluating its factual accuracy. Maybe you should give the Congressional testimony “a good read” to see what it actually says, and try to keep in mind that accusations do not equate to facts.

It is easy to present opinions as facts. It is often more entertaining to read news when writers’ personal convictions are conflated with verifiable evidence. But research is the difference between reporting news and engaging in the same hysterical madness that characterizes the unfounded opinions that so often proliferate just beneath the blog post.

@66 Will you marry me?

@66 That was superb *bows*

@66 you’re completely right!
they just want to destroy sony’s reputation,which they never ever can.

@67 No, he’s gonna marry ME!

btw, I still have my PS2 (Slim) standing beside my PS3 (Slim), while the old PlayStation (the original, not the god-awful PSOne) is resting in its box in my room, but I think I’ll put it in a good display once we’ll finish house renovations.

And I regret nothing of these purchases.

this situation is crazy still..smh…my daughter mother buggin me bout spendin time and sony wanna say all da way on may 31st the PSN should on…it may 9th

Does it matter to you whether any of these allegations are true? Are you willing to do more than to merely parrot the accusations of other news sites?

Um…no?

This is a 24/7 news blog. People come here to read the latest poop. It’s not VG247′s job to do PR for Sony. The fanboys are doing enough of that.

You can argue about what threshold of rumor should be high enough for reportage, but I’m pretty sure reporting on Congressional testimony will always clear it.

@72. Cute. So you think it’s perfectly OK for VG247 and the rest of these so-called “gaming news sites” to pass off hearsay and rumors as fact, then when someone calls them out on it and asks them to actually do their JOB and follow up their allegations with facts, you come here and say this is doing Sony’s PR.

So let me get this straight. It’s Sony PR when it involves actual fact, but when it involves rumors and hearsay, that’s VG247′s job. Good to know you’re outlining exactly what role these sites should play. A role of posting misleading, inflammatory garbage aimed only at the piss takers for pageviews. It’s really nice you’re giving us such a great view of yours of this site.

Myself? I’d like these sites to have a little more class, and I completely agree with @66 on this. How about these so-called news sites/blogs/whatever actually check their facts? No, it can’t happen and it won’t happen because just reporting on rumors and hearsay is A) a far easier thing to do and B) gets you far more pageviews.

Admit it. Right now it’s popular to piss on Sony, so reporters are going to do what’s popular and they’re going to piss on Sony. Asking VG247 and other like-minded sites to do their JOB and report on FACTS rather than inflammatory rumors isn’t in any way a pro-Sony stance. The fact that you think it is shows us how little you care about facts but rather how much more Sony bashing you’d like in your morning cereal.

@73 I beg to differ.

I’m taking a cautious stance in reporting on the “PSN-gate” for the site I work for, taking my time to check multiple sources and gather data, then making a summary.

I did this twice, until the supposed credit cards theft claim; after that I stopped to gather more data and, most importantly, wait for confirmations on the sources.

For this I thank Cygnar for sharing the cache stamp which shows that the PSN servers weren’t out of date, a bit of data I will use on my next article.

I thought the group was splitted in 2, the innocence anonymous, the one that tells everybody that he wasn’t behind the attack and now the new group called “anonymous VET”, a bunch of retards that where member of anonymous, but didn’t listen to the leader that order them to lame the server and don’t touch people information,so the “anonymous VET” is the group that Lame the server and also stole people ID and CC&DC’s…..

after all, the “anonymous” got the blame for all, because he start with that shit….

Rage quit much?

Cygnar,

You clearly have not seen the full press release. All of Anonymous’ claims were backed by sources, links etc etc and fact checked and edited by over 20 people.

Also, the blogger that “revealed that Sony’s servers were up to date” actually only revealed that ONE of Sony’s MANY servers were up to date. The caches show that the other servers were outdated by approximated 2 years. What you need to understand is this:

Sony’s servers WERE out of date and ARE STILL going to be out of date. Early logs from the new servers they are testing are even out of date. So please, you know, believe the ONE person that said a Sony server was up to date, or believe the MAJORITY of people who have been saying that Sony’s servers were out of date by approximately 2 years. Go google around and find this out for yourself. Only one of Sony’s servers was up to date.

Also, when we are talking up to date, or out of date, we are talking about the Apache software itself. Let alone the rest of the software on the servers, including firewalls (or lack-thereof) etc etc. Please consider for yourself that perhaps PSN and SOE and Sony itself are not all you think they are cracked up to be.

I wish the PSN fanbois would quit whining and just go play with their systems.

Good post hitnrun

@77
Lets see your sources, then.

So this news had me laughing, apparently Anonymous have been hacked…

You can get the story at:

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/05/09/anonymous-get-hacked/comment-page-5/#comments

Enjoy the karma guys.

@80 Hah, that’s hilarious.

The Law Of Karma:`For every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.’ A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things.’

When will people get it into their heads though that this AnonOps group is *not* part of the wider Anonymous network, the one that actually *has* real exposure and some marginal capacity and ability to affect things? They’re just a bunch of bored kids who think you can be a new age revolutionist.

SEAL team 6. Please take out this cyber terrorist group called Anonymous. I’m tired of them keep thinking they’re innocent while its clear that they started all this. Their attacks struck fear in us and shock the very foundation of our online/Internet freedom. We never forget.

“Sony may have more to fear from a massive class action lawsuit by their user base” <== is that even logical .. let's say it will happen … what will the fan base gain ?!

NO PSN, NO ONLINE GAMING, NO FUN, NO SONY … What's the alternative ?

XBOX3SHITTY ?!

Is it TEA time already?