SOE takes servers offline thanks to “intrusion”

^ Enjoy. The only beta I’m looking forward to in the foreseeable future comes out June 28th

Thing is TEA I already stated in the forums that the same thing could happen to live.
You may not realise it but there are a lot of folks like myself out there that would not be high tech minded.

I actually cancelled my cc and am waiting on a new one to be issued.
You might say I over reacted but I was concerned as It was also on other services as well.
This thing made the top story on all news channels in Ireland as I am sure it did elsewhere.
I had numerous work colleagues ask me about it as there kids had PSN.

I am a little disappointed that you took my criticism as a fanboy stab, but never mind it is your entitlement.
Sony screwed up end of story here.
If it was M$ would you have been less critical?, or Apple.
Maybe you would so I wont assume otherwise.

For me this wasn’t about gaming.
Can you even imagine how many parents ranging in age from late 30,s to late 60,s are worried about this.
I know I was anyway so I imagine lots of other folks in my age group and later would feel the same.

Regardless of everything else here the fact is I trusted Sony with my financial details.
Now rightly or wrongly I am concerned enough to go without a cc for a week.
No big inconvenience but its the point about it that my finances could be in danger here.

This was a major breach that has given me food for thought on the online buying thing.
I will probably use prepaid in the future for as many of these services as I can.
Definitely not about gaming.

So when is Sony back online????

^ Apparently it might already be up in Japan.
http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/05/02/playstation-network-psn-online-status-japan-is-live-possible-dates-for-us-uk/

@51. Ahhhh yes. U3. Simply cannot wait.

I’m thinking Twisted Metal will have a beta too at some point. That should be fun.

Whoa. good find Gek! Post this shit VG247!!

And once again everyone was happy

Aight, but for now on pre-paid, no more CC… even they come with that shit, i will leave it blank….

Reask said: “Thing is TEA I already stated in the forums that the same thing could happen to live”.

Then why are you still constantly bashing SONY. You voiced your opinion on the matter several times. We get it you’re mad at SONY but we also know your feelings are misplaced as the core of the matter really is not their fault. ITS THE “HACKERS”

Reask said: “You may not realise it but there are a lot of folks like myself out there that would not be high tech minded.”

Then stop throwing stones when you live in a glass house. Lets say you,Garratt,Psychotext,Mike Bowden and Oldergamer made your own console called the EBOX69 (E=Euro) and a group of us from here (highly skilled hackers) hacked your networked and console of the EBOX69 what would you guys do differently than SONY?….thats right not a damn thing or the same thing as them right now. All bark and no bite doesn’t make you look tough Reask it makes you look silly. And yes I do realize theres a lot of folks out there not high tech minded and I also realize SONY doesn’t have the best on their payroll either. Before you post your anger toward the situation why can’t you sit back and understand that and focus your energy and frustration at the real issue…..the “HACKERS”

Reask said: “I actually cancelled my cc and am waiting on a new one to be issued”.
“You might say I over reacted but I was concerned as It was also on other services as well”.
“This thing made the top story on all news channels in Ireland as I am sure it did elsewhere”.
“I had numerous work colleagues ask me about it as there kids had PSN”.

Smart move and I’m not blaming you for being extra precautions or safe, but once again if the root key was never exposed to the world and hackers this sophisticated never broke through you would still be under the illusion you were 100% safe and like I said before a NOOB like psychotext could never crack the PS3 without someone like Hotz so your info would still have been safe. About your co workers you should have educated yourself on the matter well before informing them the full details if you didn’t.

Reask said: “I am a little disappointed that you took my criticism as a fanboy stab, but never mind it is your entitlement”.
“Sony screwed up end of story here”.
“If it was M$ would you have been less critical?, or Apple.
Maybe you would so I wont assume otherwise”.

Sorry you took it that way but thats the image you have projected on yourself throughout the community many times over. Your failure to see SONY didn’t start this still provides readers further evidence where your cards lay when it comes to SONY or M$. If this was M$ in this situation I would honestly LMAO and dance around like J.J. from Good Times for about half a day and then been real about the situation and know that in the end the HACKERS are the ones who made the offense and ultimately they are the bad guys not M$ (despite all their other shady past endevours). Same goes for APPLE and even Nintendo but of course it hurts a little more with PlayStation because they are my favorite.

Reask said: “For me this wasn’t about gaming”.
“Can you even imagine how many parents ranging in age from late 30,s to late 60,s are worried about this”.
“I know I was anyway so I imagine lots of other folks in my age group and later would feel the same”.

As a parent myself I worry about everything for my child too. The fact is you aren’t as much as safe online on the internet than you are out in the streets now that you have social networks. REALIZE THAT MY BROTHER! Going to Six Flags Great Adventures is like going on Facebook,twitter, and MySpace these days for kids. Theres always going to be some creep out there harassing,stalking,trying to steal your wallet/CC information every where in cyber space or out and using kids are an easy way. Don’t be the moron making it seem like SONY and the PS3 are the only place. Thats where I have the issue at and its not right when you know elite “HACKERS” were the cause.

I guess if a woman gets raped its her fault she couldn’t fight off the 268LB solid muscle guy and get away unmarked huh? Maybe its her fault because she wore that really short dress huh? Imagine if this was your network….now imagine that was your daughter in the really short dressed…..Is SONY still looking guilty in your eyes Reask?

Reask said: “Regardless of everything else here the fact is I trusted Sony with my financial details”.
“Now rightly or wrongly I am concerned enough to go without a cc for a week”.
“No big inconvenience but its the point about it that my finances could be in danger here”.

“This was a major breach that has given me food for thought on the online buying thing”.
“I will probably use prepaid in the future for as many of these services as I can.
Definitely not about gaming”.

Not to dismiss how big the issue is here really but who in the hell cares about Reask in Ireland. Who cares about me or Garratt or anybody else to go through the trouble and risk getting at most a couple of hundreds of dollars before our banks and credit card holders take notice, rang us up and ask whats going before freezing the card or account and refunding us every penny again. Yes its a minor hassle but this happens everyday to hundreds of other companies that affects millions of people world wide…..ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Secondly whenever theres an option to pay without using your personal info its best to go that route. Its common knowledge.

I stopped using my card to buy games off PSN ages ago when we got the pre paid ones. You have to take some responsibility yourself and make that logical choice to use whatever system. The option was there a long time ago so don’t blame SONY entirely. Blame the “HACKERS” in the first place who went after it. I hope everyone learned a lesson from all of this and use the choice given to use prepaid cards from now on if they don’t feel entirely secure. Now the question is will you do the same for LIVE/itunes also since you know the same things can happen to them as well. If you say no then stop bitching and inevitably wait until they get hacked and you find yourself back in this predicament.

Well look I read your answer and in all fairness you make several valid points.

I never felt in all my comments over the last 10 days that this was a pop at Sony.
If that came across fair enough then.
I have made the precautions to protect myself and yes chances are I would not be out of pocket anyway.

This was on Sony,s watch though TEA and that is not in dispute.
I said and I repeat this is not about gaming.
Sure we have the options as people to participate or not but you tend to trust big companies to know what there doing.

Be it Sony MS etc,I will be changing my online financial transactions.
Is this Sony,s fault?
No but they certainly highlighted it.

That was one fucking long post!

@theevilaires – welcome back.

Thanks Nozz

and no Reask I don’t trust huge companies. I am openly against services such as Facebook and twitter and have warned about social networks and personal information but people refuse to listen. The very sight of that stupid F symbol of Facebook makes me sick. Its fucking everywhere and the fact its made it on several game sites is an even sadder thing.

As far as M$ and SONY go I don’t trust either. Remember when I finally paid for live and I was asking people if I could do it with a pre paid credit card? Well it worked and ever since SONY would not let me deactivate my account on other people PS3′s that I allowed game sharing with I stopped using my personal info with PSN and started using PSN cards.

If the hackers want to do any good they would reset peoples 5 share console limit back to 1 for those who are maxed out YOU HEAR THAT HACKERS! DO SOME GOOD AND RESET EVERYONES 5 CONSOLE LIMIT GAME SHARE! Now thats what I call hacking for the good

I love that the Sony fans still don’t realise how much of a joke Sony’s idea of security was. Oh well. Hey, Sony fans, if you’re that convicted then please do feel free to continue buying stuff on PSN, and don’t cancel those debit/credit cards, either! Sony’s security is top notch, amirite?

Everyone else: I’ve cancelled the only CC I used on PSN and I recommend you do the same for any card(s) you used with it. And in future, use pre-paid cards, seriously. I don’t trust Sony to have truly improved their security as much as they say they have, and the last thing I want is to see anyone getting their accounts raped. I’m pro-hacker, but of the white hat sort.

I don’t support this, but really… Sony left their door wide, wide open, with no alarms, no security, no guards, and that was an invitation for scum to just come on in and steal stuff. They had an obligation to protect what was yours and they didn’t. Don’t trust them to again.

@64

Blah blah Blah

You know I have two CC on PSN and not one of them has been touched the instant they are I give a call to the company and tell them its fraudulent and they take the charge away. You want to flame bait you can go to IGN or 1up and beat your drum there.

at least my xbox 360 hasnt been hacked. gettin ready for the new black ops call of duty maps.. zombies will b fun o ya xbox gets it tomorrow. sucks for sony fan boys. BTW thank you gamestop rewards for the free 1600 point card so i dont gotta pay for overpriced DLC.. FUCK OFF ACTIVISION

some people have deep insecure issues on this website, well the comment posters i mean anyway,take #66 for example, does anyone actually care what he buys, wipes his ass with or what breed of dog he inserts his penis into?

@67 lol u wanta know what i put my penis in? who thinks of stuff like that. ur a queer dude. well apperantly u must care if ur talkin about it? u fanboy fruit.

@68 chill out softarse

Where did this frank kid come from? Since I’ve noticed his existence its been all “xbox rules!” “Yay, black ops!” “Sony’s crap!”

Sigh* why is it when 1 troll leaves 5 replace him?

yeah its terrible isnt it

@theevilaires, you better shut ya hole boy, even sony comes up with “press AGREED” to proceed, and all those crap(there fucking rules), and also in there statement.

You can trust Sony, to leave your personal info +credit info on our server, because it never happens that WE BEEN HACKED… until now..

Now because Sony have a big mouth comes with that shit with “HACK US”, because we have a server that will slap ya momma.. yeah even a fricken amature hacker is able to come on there server…

It’s Sony, that have to PROTECT the client in this case US THE GAMER…
Now the trust is gone, for me is for now on Prepay PSN cards and no CC.

Ever been fucked for $39,99?? credit withdrawel theevilaires???
WELL I DO, Sony willn’t cover my ass to pay back the $39,99, they comes with 1 montch free PSN + and how you gonna pay it??? ——–> BY Credit card, over my dead fucking body i gonna use a CC for them….

Sony have to accept other ways to pay, like Prepay or like Mircosoft “12 month live card”…. 12 montch over, disconnected, goto the store and get a PSN plus card, and redeem it….

All Sony cares is about the fricken money, and have a lousy server it’s a disgrace for a company like Sony, that makes billions of dollars, i bet McDonald.com have a better server… explain that???

And i also think if Sony will accept prepay PSN to get plus and to get downloads or movies, than there is NOTHING TO HACK ABOUT….. tell me that a hacker gonna steal ya virtual wallet of ammount $00.90??? REALLY??? must be a digital HACKBUMM to get that kind of money out to buy a $1 dollar meal from MacDonald….

For me for now on Prepay, i will give Sony a second change…

Just read this:
http://www.vg247.com/2011/05/03/report-sony-loses-12700-credit-card-numbers/#comments

and now i’m actually starting to get pissed at Sony (for the first time)

*UPDATE* “NOT A SECOND ATTACK”

Update, 9:03PM EST: SOE has provided us with the following statement, in which it confirms that its user data was stolen as part of the original intrusion — not a second attack. “While the two systems are distinct and operated separately, given that they are both under the SONY umbrella, there is some degree of architecture that overlaps. The intrusions were similar in nature. This is NOT a second attack; new information has been discovered as part of our ongoing investigation of the external intrusion in April.”

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/02/sony-hit-with-second-attack-loses-12-700-credit-card-nu/

@74, Nice for those that have a “Sony Credit Card”…

The problem isn’t you reask. You didn’t do anything wrong and didn’t do anything to warrent that lashing from Tea.

My advice ignore him.

I have often enjoyed reading his posts. I have long thought he brought some splash of color to this site. Sure he sometimes got carried away. It was fun(even funny), I thought. Maybe to some it still is.

But to me it has grown old.

The reason really boils down to not the opinions but the fanboyism. Its almost venomious.

This site has a collection of gamers that are banding together(lex, Tea, spider, etc) and bashing anyone that points out the obvious(that being the PSN outages are bad.) When a site forms a gang of posters bent on slanting articles, beraiting the staff, and attacking fellow posters, the site becomes a place where you really can’t freely and activly participate.

Its fanboy shit at its core and at its worst.

There is zero way to paint the PSN issues as a positive. There is very good cause for account holders to be concerned. Sony had lacking security. Sony mishandled getting info to the general public. Those amoung other things are simple facts.

Some posters here are jumping all over other posters for calling a spade a spade.

The sad fact is that these are just video games. PS3 is just a video game system. Sony just a company trying to make money. No different then Wii. No different then Nintendo. Or xbox360 and Microsoft. Most of us have no loyalty to either any of them. I have a game room full of different systems from different companies.

If this problem had happened to Microsoft, I (and many of us here, including you reask), would have spoken up and taken the same concern with it as I/we did with Sony and PSN. I am confident that a guy like Tea would have been all over MS if things had been different, yet he praises Sony.

Again fanboy shit.

And at the sametime, Tea, you can sit there and blast other people. For what? Being concerned about their personal info? Feeling violated? Feeling disapointed? Kid, facts are facts. Sony is going to lose some face over this. People are going to be pissed. Imo, they have every right to be.

Also, when did it become your job to personialy attack fellow posters and defend Sony?

No one has any problem if you like PS3/Sony. But I have a hella problem with the name calling, poster bashing, and atacking. Esp when it it comes to reask, he is one of the most polite posters here. And the irony is that I saw him online with PS3 far more then I did with LIVE. So your calling him xbot is rather funny, and sad.

I won’t be the first one to say it, but grow up. Let is slide and chill. people are going to vent a bit over Sony and its PSN. People vent over the hackers too. People often come here to express their opinions. And they should be able to do that. Even if it differs from your own.

And Spider, shame on you. Your better then that.

exactly

#59 ” Lets say you,Garratt,Psychotext,Mike Bowden and Oldergamer made your own console called the EBOX69 (E=Euro) and a group of us from here (highly skilled hackers) hacked your networked and console of the EBOX69 what would you guys do differently than SONY?….thats right not a damn thing or the same thing as them right now. All bark and no bite doesn’t make you look tough Reask it makes you look silly. And yes I do realize theres a lot of folks out there not high tech minded and I also realize SONY doesn’t have the best on their payroll either. Before you post your anger toward the situation why can’t you sit back and understand that and focus your energy and frustration at the real issue…..the “HACKERS”

First of all if a group end up making a console and some hackers attack it, i tell you what they will do differently, they will rebuild the network prior the attack as soon as GEO did gave the key open to everyone in the world or at least they will make modifications into their system like enhace the security messures, which sony didnt do, that in the users eyes is unaceptable, i give you that sony post the hack actions were good, not great because sony didnt gave the information as soon as the event happened, not they waited for a long week almost, and that saids to much about how sony cares about the consumers, But prior the hack was pretty bad, itwas lacking to said the least, why the passwords and personal data wasnt encrypted?, is their fault for not doing the minimum actions on security asspects, that again is unaceptable, even if it was the users decision to put in there the information, that doesnt mean that sony shouldnt at least put the effort to stablish the minimum and acceptable requeriments.

“Smart move and I’m not blaming you for being extra precautions or safe, but once again if the root key was never exposed to the world and hackers this sophisticated never broke through you would still be under the illusion you were 100% safe and like I said before a NOOB like psychotext could never crack the PS3 without someone like Hotz so your info would still have been safe. About your co workers you should have educated yourself on the matter well before informing them the full details if you didn’t”.

Is true if it wasnt for the key that Geo divulge nothing will had happened, but if you make a correlation of actions do it completly, geo divulge the key because of the other s issue at least that gave him the reason and or excuse to do it, sony did took it away when they did put it in there with and advertisment that will last the entire lyfcicle of the device, so it was a mistake provocated by sony, who again made another mistake when the key was open, and keep in mind the hack didnt occur in the exact day, therefore sony is responsible becuase they didnt take the necesary actions in order to prepare themselves for the upcoming attack, as you can see is all sonys mistakes of course with the help of hackers and crackers, but mainly this PSN shutdown was originated by sonys wrong actions or lack of actions if you will.

On the rest i will not comment because the before mentioned discussion covers all of it, but again sony did made mistakes that could harm the users,they didnt even encrypted our data and passwords for gods sake, thats the bare minimal actions a company should take, even this site took those actions in order to give us the users the treatment we deserve, and thats what users with not a fanatic brand label on the brain are saying, because is the truth plain and simple

I say just allow the venting of whatever system you like or dislike, but don’t take it personal, and certainly don’t attack people for it.

Take them to task by pointing out differences but don’t ever make it personal or attack them personally, that is if you want to be taken seriously and not discounted as a “Fanboy”

Do we have “Fanatics” on here, sure, and I just discount them and/or ignore them.

I am happy to read any posts, as long as it is not a personal attack, and when I start seeing personal attacks, or group attacks, I end up just ignoring those people.

Some people go way too far to prove their point to a random guy on the internet. Do half of you even remember what your original point was when you finished typing your post guys?

@Manu

I will say this…After Geo divulged the Root Key, Sony should have Immediately asked everyone to remove their personal Information right away, and changed Passwords, just out of “Extreme Caution.” Of course I wished I would have thought of it too!

The thing I didn’t like, is that Sony NEVER gave me a Chance to DO ANYTHING…they waited a week in silence, and then TOOK it down RIGHT AWAY, NO WARNING! Yes they had to right away, I know that. I just would have loved the chance to go in and delete everything right away, and not play this waiting game.

The longer people wait, the angrier they will get. With the news coming out now about MORE hacks will just make people more angry.

Nothing makes a MOB more angry then sitting around hearing bad news and then more bad news, days later, all the while waiting to get on the system and Delete everything.

Ultimately…Everyday folks don’t care or even know about hackers or even what they are.

All they Know is that Sony said, “You can feel 100% comfortable in providing us with all your intimate data, and know that it is 100% secure.” The promise was made by Sony and Sony alone, no one else.

The Hackers could have simply BROKE in and then come out and said..”We broke in to show that Sony was not secure, and nothing Else. We did not take any personal data or copy any personal data.”

Until I hear the hackers say that they took nothing, I will ALWAYS believe they took our data and intend to sell it. You see the problems with most hackers is that they don’t just break into a bank, they also steal/rob the money, but yet they want us to believe they did it to just show that the bank was vulnerable. Well, then why steal the freaking money?

Sigh…
Frosty

I have been thinking it would have been nice if I could have managed my PSN account on a website ala the way MS handles LIVE.

Then we could have removed info ourself. However I think doing so would have been like closing the barn door after the horse already got out.

It just would have made us feel more in control and prolly a bit better.

@ OG…I agree

You can manage your PSN account from a site. But you need to connect to PSN to do it… Which is down… You see where this is going? It would be the same for Live.

I’d rather they focus on the problem at hand and ensure when we do get back in that it is you getting in to change your details and not someone else – which it appears they are doing. You’ve more or less admitted yourself OG that the horse has bolted and so it really would be achieving nothing.

Spider I’m giving you 15 minutes to say what you have to say before I turn this bitch inside out….clock starts now!

TEA’s epic rage is…

Epic.

@84 I see. Makes sense.

@85, Yup, that was my point. Whats gone is gone.

@87 Indeed. Rage. But thats about all he has is rage. But hold on I am about to get turned inside out. Should be good. I think i will ignore it, might make his head explode.

10 more minutes Spider….

So we’re all agreed it’s pretty much entirely Sony’s fault, right?

/runs

3 minutes left Spider say what you have to say or forever stay silent….

hold up TEA im writing it out.

Lol band together lmao like og,mike,oconner?

Really, I haven’t wasted my time by reading most of the babble bullshit that has gone on in this page. Quite frankly, most of you who run around acting like you know how everything works in this matter truly don’t know jack shit. Honestly.
1) This one is for those of you who think Sony is the ones who should be completely responsible for what has gone down.:
You people are completely ignorant, naïve, or just plain stupid. Plenty of us (the ones with an open mind that works in the correct ways needed to make proper assessments) said that something like this might happen because of Geohotz’s arrogance. All of you going about saying “O, but he did nothing illegal.” Bullshit to that nonsense. He granted the means to access Sony’s network to all the baby hackers out there that wanted to “Stick it to the man” because they are the victims. Get the fuck out with that nonsense. A lot of us said “Get Hotz in jail. Make him serve time, do something dammit.” While a few of you cried that he did nothing wrong. Obviously Sony knew that something would come of this, nobody could exactly say what, just that something big might happen. Obviously their assumption was correct. But because the people hammered them for attacking Hotz, they let him off easy. But really, most of those supporting the arrogant prick Hotz don’t even realize that he is basically sitting in his room right now thinking that all his followers that praised him during this mess are a bunch of retarded lemmings. And just because he said he wasn’t involved in this PSN shit doesn’t mean he wasn’t. He is actually the direct cause of all this. But again, lets protect the little guy against the big giant evil corporation that is Sony.
You know what, at the end of it. You don’t like Sony? Don’t buy their product. Simple as that and usually/realistically most mature and intelligent adults will do just that.
Then we have the self proclaimed “Figure/Savior of the People” that go about and try to show that they can best these giants of the industry and completely disregard the fact that the people they are supposidly fighting for will end up receiving the most damge over it.

2) This one is for those of you that don’t believe that Sony is completely innocent here.:
Honestly. Don’t be so naïve. They knew that following the release of the root key that other potential security breaks would happen. First off, when the root key was published they should have immediately thought through the possibilities. Not that everything can be prepared for BUT come one, if basic users had some ideas, then they should have as well. They let their arrogance get to them too.
They should have shut down PSN and change the security from the beginning. They should have also removed the original DEV KITS from all developers and the likes and issue out replacements knowing that having access to the root key would allow for ANY kind of mod to be explored.

There are 2 main faults here. SHackers and Sony. But really, a person that steps back and takes a look at the bigger picture here would see that the one who holds the most to blame is THE HAXORS.
They are the cause of the alienation. They are the ones grabbing all your personal info. Have they apologized for any of this? No they haven’t. Sony has though. And they have offered all they can to make sure that their loyal customers are taken care of. They have offered all their support to any customers that might have been completely affected by this dilemma. They are also offering free goodies just for the downtime from PSN alone. Really….free goodies for not being able to play online for a couple of weeks, that says a lot about how much Sony cares for its customers.
At first, I was against Sony because this never should have happened. But then, I put my anger and frustration aside and looked at it with a clear and mature mind and realized that Hackers (which I used to be one) are to blame for all this and people like Geohotz get off way to easy for their stupidity.

Im really disappointed in a few of you. I thought some of you were more mature than what you have displayed during all this PSN debacle.
Mostly you OG. You short sighted view in all of this is not of your character. When did you become such a MS dog that you cant see clearly? And then including me in banding together…. WTF are you on OG. I havent even been posting here in a long time. And also, when i did, it was with disapointment towards Sony. So really….you must have switched to the likes of the other trolls here where you just skim through comments and think you know of everything of what everyone has to say. Honestly…answer me…are you becoming a troll, a Xbot, or is Senility kicking in full stop? And actually, it is the people like you, who i held in high regards (untill now) that is making me not want to come to this site. Making bold suggestions and claims to things you nothing about. Again, speaking personally, telling me that I have been bashing those that talk shit about PSN….never have i ever done that. Actually, look at a few articles back and i said that if there isnt a conclusion to where the customers benefit, i might be switching back to my xbox as my main console. It got bad enough to where Lex had to talk to me on gmail to calm me down. You know what he said (Lex, who you also put in the group as some sony fanboy without and sense of rationality) “Spider, i know what you are saying. Just relax, take a step away from the games. Or even go play some xbox and get your fix. Go play online and stuff and just enjoy gaming. PSN is down but games are still here. Come back to PS3 when PSN is back up and running.”

Anyways……. Most of you wont read passed the first paragraph.
But I hope Pat can get back to posting news about games as his priority.

@80 Crysis
Hahaha sometimes i remember but most of the time i have to go back and read it over if its a long one lol.

Lol bump* nothing to say Tea? You know since we’ve banded together and all.lol

Good post Mr. Law.

And your right, I shouldn’t have grouped you in with Tea.

As for your post, I agree with most of it. Couple of spots I don’t, like as soon as Sony expected anything they should have passed that along to us, stuff like that – no worries. Not worth agrueing about.

But while your pissed at me, share some with Tea. You read the way he went off on reask? Thats what cheesed me off in this thread. Pretty stupid.

I think some of the Sony fans are redirecting their distaste of Sony over this towards other posters. Esp when other posters express something negitive of their own about the PSN thing.

In reasks case, he didn’t do anything wrong. Hell he even plays PS3 more then xb360. But tea pops back on and within a day or two is throwing around the same venoemious spew. Same ole shit.

Sorry if you took offense to it too Lex. It was more a dig as Tea then you or Spider.

As for why Tea hasn’t responded I think its because he wasn’t expecting that type of response from Spider. Spider said he blames both the hackers and Sony. I agree with that, but I doubt Tea would.

Maybe I am wrong.

I primarily took offence because in the heat of this situation although I was angry a few times, I had been trying to help people realise what they can do to protect themselves. I wasn’t throwing hard accusations at sony because until further proof surfaced from their analysis of their servers it was pointless to assume. The only hardcore evidence when this first began was that a hacker was behind it.

Then the info slowly leaked out. I was pissed to get a email after following the situation for a week. But, I just waited for the facts of what/if anything was compromised. I even told nightcrawler what to do to get his “fraud” claim. But, even recent claims he makes tells me he hasn’t been doing much to retrieve his “stolen” money so its hard to believe his story.

I have never ganged up on anyone on this site in “fanboy rage”. I have always just expressed my thoughts any facts at that time and discuss. A lot of the times I’ve just dropped an opinion and left it alone. I don’t mind Tea because he atleast speaks the truth half the time. Then he says some outlandishly hilarious things that reminds me. This is just the internet and these are our thoughts that’s all.

I have seen a lot of hypocritical people on this site. But, I don’t need to point out the people who contradict themselves and I don’t need to band together with anyone to attack someone. Spider and tea I consider friends. But, if they do/say something I don’t agree with I won’t jump to their side to give them a handjob. I will discuss with them like anyone else.

If it is Sony– People will blame them, Others Won’t

If it is Microsoft– People will blame them, Others Won’t

If it is Nintendo– Well…Who still has a Wii and Cares?? Raise your Hands!! he he he he he

100

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK-Fu6QwOoQ