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SOE takes servers offline thanks to “intrusion”

Monday, 2nd May 2011 14:38 GMT By Patrick Garratt

Sony Online Entertainment has taken its services offline after apparently being hacked.

“We have had to take the SOE service down temporarily,” the firm said in a statement today.

“In the course of our investigation into the intrusion into our systems we have discovered an issue that warrants enough concern for us to take the service down effective immediately. We will provide an update later today (Monday).”

The news arrives after PSN suffered one of the worst online security breaches ever seen in mid-April, and was taken completely offline as a result.

It’s not clear if the “intrusion” mentioned in this new statement is the same one that took PSN down: Sony used the same terminology to describe the PSN hack.

We’ve reached out to SOE for comment.

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  1. onefivefive

    Have I travelled back in time?

    #1 3 years ago
  2. AHA-Lambda

    sorry….wait a minute…is this a DIFFERENT hack from before??!! O___O

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Erthazus

    Sometimes i don’t understand how Sony is getting so much support from third parties and second parties after this shit.

    They locked the partnership with Insomniac and Sucker Punch, Lightbox interactive also on board and Konami (Kojima productions) with guys from Eat Sleep Play andQuantic Dream, then Media molecule (which they bought later), ThatGameCompany.

    while Microsoft sold more Xbox machines and sell more software everytime and they have better online and they have less exclusives (even less then Nintendo in terms of quality)

    I don’t get it. Or they all think that Sony is going to be back after PS1 and PS2 success?

    #3 3 years ago
  4. OlderGamer

    What I can’t understand is why or even how so many folks can line back up to walk into Sony Land after the first round of PSN related hacks. And now SOE is down too? Are they kidding us?

    Talk about trustworthy. Yes please sign me the hell back up.

    When PSN comes back up I am closing my account. And please excuse me while I go close out my SOE account too(if I still can).

    What is wrong with Sony? And what is wrong with the people that blindly support it? I can see the uninformed user, but folks like us, on sites like this, should know better.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Erthazus

    @4, completely agree. I’m selling my PS3 soon. I’m fed up with Sony services. They are crap and it’s like i’m back to 90s.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. monu-mental

    You guys, including you, “OlderGamer” are so shallow in your views. You have hackers who are hell-bent on destroying Sony. They are very good at what they do and once more, have managed to break into one of Sony’s services. Why am I not hearing anyone talking about these hackers?

    I’m leaving this forum onto a next post….Children here.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. Nozz

    OH FFS!

    Edit: OK, so my knee-jerk reaction was because of the headline! I’ve had a chance to read the article and it seems like an ongoing investigation. Stay Classy VG24/7..

    #7 3 years ago
  8. monu-mental

    Whatever, Erthazus. Whatever. Sell it, then. It’s not like the users here care…. It’s you in your house with your PS3….Whatever. Go pay for Live.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    @4 and 5. Why would you close your account (and sell your PS3), when you can simply remove any personal information if you so chose? Hell, you can play PS3 online for free with a fake dummy account and not have to worry about this shit ever happening to you again.

    Just seems a bit of an extreme reaction is all.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. Erthazus

    “have managed to break into one of Sony’s services.”

    Great Sony services. Sony stored passwords in plain text. BRILLIANT.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. monu-mental

    Let OlderGame close his accounts, let all those who want to do it. Sony will still be…They’ll be missing out. Some people are just irrational. NO ONE is talking about the hackers who are trying hard to interrupt our gaming. NO ONE. NO! It’s all SONY! KILL THEM! KILL SONY!

    Children…

    #11 3 years ago
  12. OlderGamer

    Thats what I meant Doc. I won’t be selling my PS3. We use it for BluRay and netflix. But I will be closing out my active CC related account. I don’t know if I will bother to use prepaid points cards or not. At this point I really don’t want to support em.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    P.S. This article is misleading VG247. You almost imply this is IN ADDITION to the last breach. If you read the Sony statement you link to, it is clearly related to the original breach.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. OlderGamer

    You sure Doc? I can’t get at my EQII extended account, could a couple of days ago.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. GWint005

    Once again gamers jumping to conclusions before statements are made. The article clearly states “In the course of our investigation into the intrusion into our systems”.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. Patrick Garratt

    @13 – I’ve asked SOE for comment. It’s not clear from that statement if they’re talking about the PSN hack or not.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    “In the course of our investigation into the intrusion into our systems ”

    Seems pretty clear to me. Their ongoing investigation caused them to shut down additional servers just recently. At least that’s how I read it. Everyone’s jumping the gun now. Who knows anymore. Truth is we really know nothing.

    In fact, I want them to show us Bin Ladens body damnit…lol

    #17 3 years ago
  18. Erthazus

    I will sell my PS3 if Nintendo console is going to be worth it.

    the thing is, i’m really fed up with this stuff. Thanks god that my credict card expired in February and march and i got a new one and forgot about PSN.

    But i can’t use my account when they had all passwords stored in text. thats just not normal. PSN hack was inevitable. So much failures from sony these days and i mean FAILURES.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. GWint005

    @18, I hate to tell you. Sony will not be the only problem with hacking in the future. The more we put our personal info on the web, the more we are open to these issues.

    #19 3 years ago
  20. freedoms_stain

    @17, “buried at sea”

    #20 3 years ago
  21. G1GAHURTZ

    AS IF IT COULDN’T GET ANY WORSE!

    NOW THIS!!

    Right. Everyone throw your PS3′s in the bin!!

    It’s time to go 360!

    #21 3 years ago
  22. Christopher Jack

    Prior to these hacks, Sony has never given me a reason not to trust them, their products are reliable & for the most part function better than their competition. Once they’ve sorted this out, I should hope this never happens again, at least Sony learned their lesson – take network security very seriously!

    I’m not sure whether these hacks were trying to steal information for fraudulent purposes or to shake Sony up with bad press, either way, they’ve won & we ALL suffer.

    All the bad press against Sony within recent years (aside from ‘exploding batteries’) involves their war with hackers (& pirates).

    #22 3 years ago
  23. spiderLAW

    @OG….you seriously are making it so much easier to tag you as a zombified XBOT. Seriously.
    After all the shit that Microsoft has shoved right into your face, you still blindly support them. They haven’t cost you so much money already huh??? Tell me I’m wrong buddy.
    PSN goes down for 2 weeks, your card info MIGHT have been stolen, and all of a sudden Sony is shit? Way to be biased man.
    So you have to change your password when you sign back on….big effin deal.

    Seriously, you Xbots are funny.

    Sure I was disappointed in Sony and still am. I was disappointed in Microsoft and still am. Do you see me saying “ooo boohoo I’m cancelling my accounts on XBL and PSN…they are doodoo heads that keeps trowing poo at me. whaaaa whaaa waaaaa!!!”

    /rant

    To sum this up in a more serious manner; After reading all the comments on the coverage of the Sony attacks…none of you seem to know an ounce of how any of this shit works. Well, a select few of you do, and you know who you are without me having to call out names.

    #23 3 years ago
  24. HauntaVirus

    I doubt XBOX Live is much more secure than the PSN its just not being targeted as hard.

    PC GAMING FTW..oh wait…

    #24 3 years ago
  25. spiderLAW

    @19
    Yup indeed.
    Since its moving towards digital more and more…expect more of this shit to happen as time goes on.

    #25 3 years ago
  26. ManuOtaku

    The more I hear about this, the less sony seem to care about privacy and customer security, thank god at least they did put on the table some compensation plans but this doesnt erase the issues:

    Just off the top of my head….

    Sony BMG CD Rootkits – Sony do something really wrong by installing root-kits (think virus) on personal computers and invaded personal privacy. They “settled” and got off with a slap on the wrist.

    Sony Sues Geohot – PS3 root keys are revealed, Sony tries to shoot the messenger rather than fix the problem. Again the case is ‘settled’ without any real resolution other than a gag order, keeping in mind that the exploit that Geohot revealed is not fixable. It is ROM in the actual hardware – there is no way to fix this on existing consoles at all. The only thing they can do is issue new keys for new games, but let the new games also be played on old consoles.

    PS3 Network Outage – Sony gets hacked, and waits a week before revealing that customer data was exposed, enen when they new the key was out there they choose not to rebuild their system or tighten up the security, no they did wait for the hacker thing to happen, classy.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. frostquake

    It is the SOE Internet site that was up and running as of a few days ago. It is called the Station.com Here is what it says on the site:

    “We have had to take the SOE service down temporarily. In the course of our investigation into the intrusion into our systems we have discovered an issue that warrants enough concern for us to take the service down effective immediately. We will provide an update later today (Monday).”

    Here is the Link:
    http://maintenance.station.sony.com/

    This just happened as far as I know it. I belong to the Station.com which is run by Sony. I was not intending to worry about that account, but it looks like I will now be changing all the stuff on there as well…This is frustrating on a consumer side of things..SHEESH

    Sony, you have made me upset at you for not protecting me better.
    Hackers, you have only made me HATE you more..and wish to see you prosecuted to the fullest extent of the LAW!!! STOP HACKING

    #27 3 years ago
  28. Aimless

    jump-to-conclusions.jpg

    #28 3 years ago
  29. KL

    @22
    “I’m not sure whether these hacks were trying to steal information for fraudulent purposes or to shake Sony up with bad press, either way, they’ve won & we ALL suffer.”

    definitely the later,it’s hackers vs Sony.They didn’t steal anything.
    why am i not surprised with the obvious fanboys that hammer or criticize Sony all the time one way or the other?
    You know when i’m going to be over with Sony’s products once and for all?
    When their products keeps breaking at me all the time.I had the YLOD once,one more time and i’m through.That’s when i would have lost trust.
    something that fanboys don’t follow when they had 3-4 times their consoles RROD or YLOD while they still keep getting “robbed” and yet they criticize Sony over this?Ironic

    #29 3 years ago
  30. Christopher Jack

    @26, Sony’s one of the most anti-pirate/hackers companies in the world, THAT’S why these hackers are out to get them. Sony spent much more than either Microsoft or Nintendo developing the console’s security, but they should have focused more on network security, I don’t know how these hackers accessed the network, but if it was through a rooter PS3 like rumours are suggesting (tricking the server into thinking the console is a devkit or something), then you can understand why Sony sued Hotz.

    @29, I’m in the exact boat as you, 2 of my 360s died, when I received my 3rd, I played with Reach til I was bored with Halo then I sold it.

    The only reason I tend to prefer Sony over it’s competitors is because most of the time, they have the superior product (reliability & build quality) & I’m sometimes willing to spend that premium knowing that Sony made it (depending on the product & how much spare change I have) rather than some random Chinese company, heck I still have a working Sony boombox from several decades ago running in perfect condition.

    #30 3 years ago
  31. spiderLAW

    @Crysis (aka Chris)
    Lets break dance….bust that Sony beast out homie. anybody up for a 5 person synced windmill session?

    #31 3 years ago
  32. NeoSquall

    @OlderGamer and Erthazus

    Do whatever you want, we don’t care.

    #32 3 years ago
  33. theevilaires

    @31 LETS DO THIS! FOR SONY!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A12-KN5UijA&feature=related

    #33 3 years ago
  34. lexph3re

    SPIDERRRRR WHAT’S UP MAN!

    #34 3 years ago
  35. Cozzy

    Everyone just needs to calm down. There is no definite proof that the credit card information was even taken and they said that the pin required for transactions over the internet was not exposed. It’s not the end of sony and not the end of the wotld as many people’s comments would have you believe. Just have a bit of faith.

    Sony even said they would cover the costs of anyone who suffers becasue of someone using their credit card – if it even comes to that.

    #35 3 years ago
  36. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    Good to see ya posting theevilaires!

    #36 3 years ago
  37. Gekidami

    Oh look, the same old people who are always on Sonys case, even long before the hacks, are claiming they’ll stop using the services. Oh boo-hoo.

    #37 3 years ago
  38. theevilaires

    @36 and its good to see you admire my character so much you decided to keep the name going :D Although with a different spice of spirit ;) I must admit my exit was a bit harsh towards the staff (and I apologize) who I must say are entertaining at what they do whether good or bad. Garratt has been in the hot seat for a while now his complexion must be comparable to a boiled lobster :D

    I’m also proud to see so many gamers still supporting SONY after all the issues caused by the hackers. Its great to know we still have a few good decent people in society left versus the many monkey see monkey do crowds. In the end the gamers and Sony will prevail ultimately and all will be back to normal soon. In the meantime I’m loving me some RDR,GT5,and Dead Space 2. These times remind me of the PS1 and PS2 era where the name PlayStation stood on the foundation of well made games with great replay value instead of quick gimmicks like online, advertisement crap, and DLC infestation.

    Don’t look at this down time of the network as a bad thing, but a hidden opportunity to reconnect us with our past gaming experiences when there was little to none online gameplay at all. For all the COD fanatics this is a time for you to put down the guns and pick up the wheel of GT5 or flashlight with the MOVE controller in Heavy Rain. There’s more to these games than online. I know it sucks the option isn’t present atm but I can tell you its possible to be content without online play because if I wanted to play COD or anything online so bad I would have turned on my 360 and done so by now. Fact is I haven’t turned on my 360 well before the PSN outage despite it stands right next to my PS3. Thats because I’m a gamer not a cry baby looking for an excuse to bitch and moan.

    Nothing will ever stop me from doing what I love and thats play games period. I just so happen to love playing the best games which atm are on my PlayStation 3.

    #38 3 years ago
  39. NeoSquall

    @38 Actually I’m enjoying Valkyria Chronicles, which is something the random Xbot lurking this site CAN’T. Shame on them.

    #39 3 years ago
  40. spiderLAW

    @LEX
    Wassupp dude. Ill hit you up on the gmail later on aight!

    #40 3 years ago
  41. reask

    Yeah been doing a bit of offline gaming myself since it went down.
    Managed to plat kz3 and am on chapter 20 crushing on uc1 so 4 more chapters and I will have myself 3 plats. :)

    Still no matter what you say TEA it should never have happened to the extent it did.

    #41 3 years ago
  42. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    You know I love ya TEA! :) Miss seeing you on PSN too! :(

    Just beat Brotherhood, playing Crysis 2 on the box, and working on cleaning up some Portal 2 trophies right now.

    Gears 3 beta sometime?

    #42 3 years ago
  43. lexph3re

    @spider I’m gonna turn my messenger on so I can see when your on. @tea ahh refreshing to see something good and non-bias again. The word gamer is uplifted by you my friend.lol I honestly hated seeing the xbox heads making it seem worse then what it is. Its like they’ve actually forgot a game machine plays games with or without internet.

    Also, in this downtime I actually went out and bought a classic xbox. Why? Because all the over priced hd remakes that will come out on xbox of their exclusives play and feel just as good on its prior system. Games I missed out on like KoToR 1&2 I can play now. Jade empire, doom 3, indigo prophecy otogi 1&2, shenmue 2 all work just fine without hd.

    I also get to pick up on great multi plats like psi ops, mk sm, and mgs2 substance. I no longer feel a want for 360 because all it has is live and multi plats. I feel like a gamer again thanks to psn going offline. No longer felt obligated to play with everyone else but to just enjoy myself and the games I like

    #43 3 years ago
  44. DeathJynx

    I am not going to jump into this childish debate. I just want to throw my 2 cents around. The breach on PSN in all honesty was NOT that big of a deal. People put information, like is stored on psn, all over the web and on paper without ever even thinking twice about it. I bet I can find out all that information about every single person registered to this site within a week if I needed too. The only thing that makes this a big deal, is the sheer number of accounts. @ Erthazus, passwords where not stored in plain text. “One other point to clarify is from this weekend’s press conference. While the passwords that were stored were not “encrypted,” they were transformed using a cryptographic hash function. There is a difference between these two types of security measures which is why we said the passwords had not been encrypted. But I want to be very clear that the passwords were not stored in our database in cleartext form.” – US ps blog

    #44 3 years ago
  45. DeathJynx

    But… this site only likes to cover stories that help circulate speculation, so I would understand if this site was your only choice for psn updates, you might have missed that.

    #45 3 years ago
  46. theevilaires

    @39 I was actually debating between that and FFXIII as my next RPG to start. I have so many offline only games I can ride the down time out until the release of Uncharted 3 :D

    @41 Ahh Reask I’m so disappointed in you. Of all the original XBOTS I figured you have the common sense to know that even money can’t stop the passion of dedication and revenge. Its purely common sense these guys are professional hackers who breathe binary numbers in and out. They are the closest thing to a reality of the matrix. Do you really think SONY had a chance? Do you really think SONY has anyone on their payroll as knowledgeable as these hackers? If you ran SONY do you think you’d be “unhackable”? If the hackers decided …hey lets take down VG247…. would Garratt have it running back up within hours?

    The fact is it happened and fixes are being made and rewarded for the victims but its sad you keep talking as if this is entirely SONY’s fault. Why because they took out a feature that we all know Reask,Psychotext,Mike Bowden,and Garratt used very often which is other OS? Come on Reask don’t make me laugh. What turned out to be *we want to get other OS back* turned into *we’re going to get revenge on SONY for suing our hacker buddy*. If the root key was never published to the public Reask then none of this would have ever happened….true or false? and if the root key was never published Reask I doubt a noob like psychotext would have ever figured out how crack and run custom firmware on his PS3 (like he so admittedly claimed).

    Place the blame where it truly and only belongs: to Hotz and his boyfriends. But let me know when you spend multi millions on developing/making a console and it gets hack and your software sales decline dramatically and 3rd party support says fuck you we’re going else where how you feel and what your plan of action would be to counter such attack…..oh btw heres a hint don’t wait until you go bankrupt and try to sue…..lawyers and courts only listen to people who have money ;)

    #46 3 years ago
  47. Hunam

    Way to be the bigger man?

    #47 3 years ago
  48. theevilaires

    Gears 3 beta sometime?

    Sorry Dr.G I’ve made an oath to myself that I won’t use LIVE until PSN is back and running. I’m not doing it because I’m the SONY fanboy I get famously accused of being but rather to show that I’m a real O.G. ;) (original gamer) that doesn’t need online game play to enjoy my investments. I’ve played countless games that have ranged from many genres that had no online which have become my all time favorite games. From those classics I choose to enjoy their successors in the same way.

    Just as much as I loved these titles with no online

    GTA3
    Vice City
    San Andreas
    Devil May Cry
    GT3
    Tekken 1,2,3,tag,etc
    Onimusha
    Final Fantasy 8,10,12

    I’m loving these titles also even though I’m forced offline

    GTA4:Lost and the Damned
    GTA4:Ballard of Gay Tony
    Red Dead Redemption
    Enslaved
    GT5
    Tekken 6
    Dead Space 2
    Final Fantasy XIII

    #48 3 years ago
  49. Bloodyghost

    Damn you kids are hilarious.

    To those against Sony because of this horrible event: Shit Happens. Anon and other Hackers declared war against Sony so something was bound to happen if these fat computer dweelers actually declared war and wanted to really do something.

    Sony had to pay. Hard.

    They are clearly sorry and want people to be back on board.

    It is something that shouldnt happen ever, and Sony should have looked at all the negative feed it was getting from hackers.

    PSN is down for so long because partially, Sony doesnt want this to ever happen again and wants PSN alive and well rather then bad and broken.

    I have had similar problems with XBL where I would play Halo or MW2 and the servers went down for a little while. While thats another case and XBL didnt totally tank, it still angered people.

    Be patient people.

    @48 I dont get why you wont use one service when another is down

    I really dont get how your someone important or original for doing so. Your a fan of the PS3 along with other systems, cool, but oathing to just wait and not move on to another service is something thats probably a person preference only I guess.

    #49 3 years ago
  50. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    @48. You’re missing out on one helluva kick ass beta

    #50 3 years ago
  51. theevilaires

    ^ Enjoy. The only beta I’m looking forward to in the foreseeable future comes out June 28th :)

    #51 3 years ago
  52. reask

    Thing is TEA I already stated in the forums that the same thing could happen to live.
    You may not realise it but there are a lot of folks like myself out there that would not be high tech minded.

    I actually cancelled my cc and am waiting on a new one to be issued.
    You might say I over reacted but I was concerned as It was also on other services as well.
    This thing made the top story on all news channels in Ireland as I am sure it did elsewhere.
    I had numerous work colleagues ask me about it as there kids had PSN.

    I am a little disappointed that you took my criticism as a fanboy stab, but never mind it is your entitlement.
    Sony screwed up end of story here.
    If it was M$ would you have been less critical?, or Apple.
    Maybe you would so I wont assume otherwise.

    For me this wasn’t about gaming.
    Can you even imagine how many parents ranging in age from late 30,s to late 60,s are worried about this.
    I know I was anyway so I imagine lots of other folks in my age group and later would feel the same.

    Regardless of everything else here the fact is I trusted Sony with my financial details.
    Now rightly or wrongly I am concerned enough to go without a cc for a week.
    No big inconvenience but its the point about it that my finances could be in danger here.

    This was a major breach that has given me food for thought on the online buying thing.
    I will probably use prepaid in the future for as many of these services as I can.
    Definitely not about gaming. :)

    #52 3 years ago
  53. NightCrawler1970

    So when is Sony back online????

    #53 3 years ago
  54. Gekidami

    ^ Apparently it might already be up in Japan.
    http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/05/02/playstation-network-psn-online-status-japan-is-live-possible-dates-for-us-uk/

    #54 3 years ago
  55. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    @51. Ahhhh yes. U3. Simply cannot wait.

    I’m thinking Twisted Metal will have a beta too at some point. That should be fun.

    #55 3 years ago
  56. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    Whoa. good find Gek! Post this shit VG247!!

    #56 3 years ago
  57. Cozzy

    And once again everyone was happy :)

    #57 3 years ago
  58. NightCrawler1970

    Aight, but for now on pre-paid, no more CC… even they come with that shit, i will leave it blank….

    #58 3 years ago
  59. theevilaires

    Reask said: “Thing is TEA I already stated in the forums that the same thing could happen to live”.

    Then why are you still constantly bashing SONY. You voiced your opinion on the matter several times. We get it you’re mad at SONY but we also know your feelings are misplaced as the core of the matter really is not their fault. ITS THE “HACKERS”

    Reask said: “You may not realise it but there are a lot of folks like myself out there that would not be high tech minded.”

    Then stop throwing stones when you live in a glass house. Lets say you,Garratt,Psychotext,Mike Bowden and Oldergamer made your own console called the EBOX69 (E=Euro) and a group of us from here (highly skilled hackers) hacked your networked and console of the EBOX69 what would you guys do differently than SONY?….thats right not a damn thing or the same thing as them right now. All bark and no bite doesn’t make you look tough Reask it makes you look silly. And yes I do realize theres a lot of folks out there not high tech minded and I also realize SONY doesn’t have the best on their payroll either. Before you post your anger toward the situation why can’t you sit back and understand that and focus your energy and frustration at the real issue…..the “HACKERS”

    Reask said: “I actually cancelled my cc and am waiting on a new one to be issued”.
    “You might say I over reacted but I was concerned as It was also on other services as well”.
    “This thing made the top story on all news channels in Ireland as I am sure it did elsewhere”.
    “I had numerous work colleagues ask me about it as there kids had PSN”.

    Smart move and I’m not blaming you for being extra precautions or safe, but once again if the root key was never exposed to the world and hackers this sophisticated never broke through you would still be under the illusion you were 100% safe and like I said before a NOOB like psychotext could never crack the PS3 without someone like Hotz so your info would still have been safe. About your co workers you should have educated yourself on the matter well before informing them the full details if you didn’t.

    Reask said: “I am a little disappointed that you took my criticism as a fanboy stab, but never mind it is your entitlement”.
    “Sony screwed up end of story here”.
    “If it was M$ would you have been less critical?, or Apple.
    Maybe you would so I wont assume otherwise”.

    Sorry you took it that way but thats the image you have projected on yourself throughout the community many times over. Your failure to see SONY didn’t start this still provides readers further evidence where your cards lay when it comes to SONY or M$. If this was M$ in this situation I would honestly LMAO and dance around like J.J. from Good Times for about half a day and then been real about the situation and know that in the end the HACKERS are the ones who made the offense and ultimately they are the bad guys not M$ (despite all their other shady past endevours). Same goes for APPLE and even Nintendo but of course it hurts a little more with PlayStation because they are my favorite.

    Reask said: “For me this wasn’t about gaming”.
    “Can you even imagine how many parents ranging in age from late 30,s to late 60,s are worried about this”.
    “I know I was anyway so I imagine lots of other folks in my age group and later would feel the same”.

    As a parent myself I worry about everything for my child too. The fact is you aren’t as much as safe online on the internet than you are out in the streets now that you have social networks. REALIZE THAT MY BROTHER! Going to Six Flags Great Adventures is like going on Facebook,twitter, and MySpace these days for kids. Theres always going to be some creep out there harassing,stalking,trying to steal your wallet/CC information every where in cyber space or out and using kids are an easy way. Don’t be the moron making it seem like SONY and the PS3 are the only place. Thats where I have the issue at and its not right when you know elite “HACKERS” were the cause.

    I guess if a woman gets raped its her fault she couldn’t fight off the 268LB solid muscle guy and get away unmarked huh? Maybe its her fault because she wore that really short dress huh? Imagine if this was your network….now imagine that was your daughter in the really short dressed…..Is SONY still looking guilty in your eyes Reask?

    Reask said: “Regardless of everything else here the fact is I trusted Sony with my financial details”.
    “Now rightly or wrongly I am concerned enough to go without a cc for a week”.
    “No big inconvenience but its the point about it that my finances could be in danger here”.

    “This was a major breach that has given me food for thought on the online buying thing”.
    “I will probably use prepaid in the future for as many of these services as I can.
    Definitely not about gaming”.

    Not to dismiss how big the issue is here really but who in the hell cares about Reask in Ireland. Who cares about me or Garratt or anybody else to go through the trouble and risk getting at most a couple of hundreds of dollars before our banks and credit card holders take notice, rang us up and ask whats going before freezing the card or account and refunding us every penny again. Yes its a minor hassle but this happens everyday to hundreds of other companies that affects millions of people world wide…..ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Secondly whenever theres an option to pay without using your personal info its best to go that route. Its common knowledge.

    I stopped using my card to buy games off PSN ages ago when we got the pre paid ones. You have to take some responsibility yourself and make that logical choice to use whatever system. The option was there a long time ago so don’t blame SONY entirely. Blame the “HACKERS” in the first place who went after it. I hope everyone learned a lesson from all of this and use the choice given to use prepaid cards from now on if they don’t feel entirely secure. Now the question is will you do the same for LIVE/itunes also since you know the same things can happen to them as well. If you say no then stop bitching and inevitably wait until they get hacked and you find yourself back in this predicament.

    #59 3 years ago
  60. reask

    Well look I read your answer and in all fairness you make several valid points.

    I never felt in all my comments over the last 10 days that this was a pop at Sony.
    If that came across fair enough then.
    I have made the precautions to protect myself and yes chances are I would not be out of pocket anyway.

    This was on Sony,s watch though TEA and that is not in dispute.
    I said and I repeat this is not about gaming.
    Sure we have the options as people to participate or not but you tend to trust big companies to know what there doing.

    Be it Sony MS etc,I will be changing my online financial transactions.
    Is this Sony,s fault?
    No but they certainly highlighted it.

    #60 3 years ago
  61. Cozzy

    That was one fucking long post!

    #61 3 years ago
  62. Nozz

    @theevilaires – welcome back. :)

    #62 3 years ago
  63. theevilaires

    Thanks Nozz

    and no Reask I don’t trust huge companies. I am openly against services such as Facebook and twitter and have warned about social networks and personal information but people refuse to listen. The very sight of that stupid F symbol of Facebook makes me sick. Its fucking everywhere and the fact its made it on several game sites is an even sadder thing.

    As far as M$ and SONY go I don’t trust either. Remember when I finally paid for live and I was asking people if I could do it with a pre paid credit card? Well it worked and ever since SONY would not let me deactivate my account on other people PS3′s that I allowed game sharing with I stopped using my personal info with PSN and started using PSN cards.

    If the hackers want to do any good they would reset peoples 5 share console limit back to 1 for those who are maxed out ;) YOU HEAR THAT HACKERS! DO SOME GOOD AND RESET EVERYONES 5 CONSOLE LIMIT GAME SHARE! Now thats what I call hacking for the good :)

    #63 3 years ago
  64. TheWulf

    I love that the Sony fans still don’t realise how much of a joke Sony’s idea of security was. Oh well. Hey, Sony fans, if you’re that convicted then please do feel free to continue buying stuff on PSN, and don’t cancel those debit/credit cards, either! Sony’s security is top notch, amirite?

    Everyone else: I’ve cancelled the only CC I used on PSN and I recommend you do the same for any card(s) you used with it. And in future, use pre-paid cards, seriously. I don’t trust Sony to have truly improved their security as much as they say they have, and the last thing I want is to see anyone getting their accounts raped. I’m pro-hacker, but of the white hat sort.

    I don’t support this, but really… Sony left their door wide, wide open, with no alarms, no security, no guards, and that was an invitation for scum to just come on in and steal stuff. They had an obligation to protect what was yours and they didn’t. Don’t trust them to again.

    #64 3 years ago
  65. Phoenixblight

    @64

    Blah blah Blah

    You know I have two CC on PSN and not one of them has been touched the instant they are I give a call to the company and tell them its fraudulent and they take the charge away. You want to flame bait you can go to IGN or 1up and beat your drum there.

    #65 3 years ago
  66. Frank17

    at least my xbox 360 hasnt been hacked. gettin ready for the new black ops call of duty maps.. zombies will b fun o ya xbox gets it tomorrow. sucks for sony fan boys. BTW thank you gamestop rewards for the free 1600 point card so i dont gotta pay for overpriced DLC.. FUCK OFF ACTIVISION

    #66 3 years ago
  67. daytripper

    some people have deep insecure issues on this website, well the comment posters i mean anyway,take #66 for example, does anyone actually care what he buys, wipes his ass with or what breed of dog he inserts his penis into?

    #67 3 years ago
  68. Frank17

    @67 lol u wanta know what i put my penis in? who thinks of stuff like that. ur a queer dude. well apperantly u must care if ur talkin about it? u fanboy fruit.

    #68 3 years ago
  69. daytripper

    @68 chill out softarse

    #69 3 years ago
  70. lexph3re

    Where did this frank kid come from? Since I’ve noticed his existence its been all “xbox rules!” “Yay, black ops!” “Sony’s crap!”

    Sigh* why is it when 1 troll leaves 5 replace him?

    #70 3 years ago
  71. daytripper

    yeah its terrible isnt it

    #71 3 years ago
  72. NightCrawler1970

    @theevilaires, you better shut ya hole boy, even sony comes up with “press AGREED” to proceed, and all those crap(there fucking rules), and also in there statement.

    You can trust Sony, to leave your personal info +credit info on our server, because it never happens that WE BEEN HACKED… until now..

    Now because Sony have a big mouth comes with that shit with “HACK US”, because we have a server that will slap ya momma.. yeah even a fricken amature hacker is able to come on there server…

    It’s Sony, that have to PROTECT the client in this case US THE GAMER…
    Now the trust is gone, for me is for now on Prepay PSN cards and no CC.

    Ever been fucked for $39,99?? credit withdrawel theevilaires???
    WELL I DO, Sony willn’t cover my ass to pay back the $39,99, they comes with 1 montch free PSN + and how you gonna pay it??? ——–> BY Credit card, over my dead fucking body i gonna use a CC for them….

    Sony have to accept other ways to pay, like Prepay or like Mircosoft “12 month live card”…. 12 montch over, disconnected, goto the store and get a PSN plus card, and redeem it….

    All Sony cares is about the fricken money, and have a lousy server it’s a disgrace for a company like Sony, that makes billions of dollars, i bet McDonald.com have a better server… explain that???

    And i also think if Sony will accept prepay PSN to get plus and to get downloads or movies, than there is NOTHING TO HACK ABOUT….. tell me that a hacker gonna steal ya virtual wallet of ammount $00.90??? REALLY??? must be a digital HACKBUMM to get that kind of money out to buy a $1 dollar meal from MacDonald….

    For me for now on Prepay, i will give Sony a second change…

    #72 3 years ago
  73. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    Just read this:
    http://www.vg247.com/2011/05/03/report-sony-loses-12700-credit-card-numbers/#comments

    and now i’m actually starting to get pissed at Sony (for the first time)

    #73 3 years ago
  74. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    *UPDATE* “NOT A SECOND ATTACK”

    Update, 9:03PM EST: SOE has provided us with the following statement, in which it confirms that its user data was stolen as part of the original intrusion — not a second attack. “While the two systems are distinct and operated separately, given that they are both under the SONY umbrella, there is some degree of architecture that overlaps. The intrusions were similar in nature. This is NOT a second attack; new information has been discovered as part of our ongoing investigation of the external intrusion in April.”

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/02/sony-hit-with-second-attack-loses-12-700-credit-card-nu/

    #74 3 years ago
  75. NightCrawler1970

    @74, Nice for those that have a “Sony Credit Card”…

    #75 3 years ago
  76. OlderGamer

    The problem isn’t you reask. You didn’t do anything wrong and didn’t do anything to warrent that lashing from Tea.

    My advice ignore him.

    I have often enjoyed reading his posts. I have long thought he brought some splash of color to this site. Sure he sometimes got carried away. It was fun(even funny), I thought. Maybe to some it still is.

    But to me it has grown old.

    The reason really boils down to not the opinions but the fanboyism. Its almost venomious.

    This site has a collection of gamers that are banding together(lex, Tea, spider, etc) and bashing anyone that points out the obvious(that being the PSN outages are bad.) When a site forms a gang of posters bent on slanting articles, beraiting the staff, and attacking fellow posters, the site becomes a place where you really can’t freely and activly participate.

    Its fanboy shit at its core and at its worst.

    There is zero way to paint the PSN issues as a positive. There is very good cause for account holders to be concerned. Sony had lacking security. Sony mishandled getting info to the general public. Those amoung other things are simple facts.

    Some posters here are jumping all over other posters for calling a spade a spade.

    The sad fact is that these are just video games. PS3 is just a video game system. Sony just a company trying to make money. No different then Wii. No different then Nintendo. Or xbox360 and Microsoft. Most of us have no loyalty to either any of them. I have a game room full of different systems from different companies.

    If this problem had happened to Microsoft, I (and many of us here, including you reask), would have spoken up and taken the same concern with it as I/we did with Sony and PSN. I am confident that a guy like Tea would have been all over MS if things had been different, yet he praises Sony.

    Again fanboy shit.

    And at the sametime, Tea, you can sit there and blast other people. For what? Being concerned about their personal info? Feeling violated? Feeling disapointed? Kid, facts are facts. Sony is going to lose some face over this. People are going to be pissed. Imo, they have every right to be.

    Also, when did it become your job to personialy attack fellow posters and defend Sony?

    No one has any problem if you like PS3/Sony. But I have a hella problem with the name calling, poster bashing, and atacking. Esp when it it comes to reask, he is one of the most polite posters here. And the irony is that I saw him online with PS3 far more then I did with LIVE. So your calling him xbot is rather funny, and sad.

    I won’t be the first one to say it, but grow up. Let is slide and chill. people are going to vent a bit over Sony and its PSN. People vent over the hackers too. People often come here to express their opinions. And they should be able to do that. Even if it differs from your own.

    And Spider, shame on you. Your better then that.

    #76 3 years ago
  77. daytripper

    exactly

    #77 3 years ago
  78. ManuOtaku

    #59 ” Lets say you,Garratt,Psychotext,Mike Bowden and Oldergamer made your own console called the EBOX69 (E=Euro) and a group of us from here (highly skilled hackers) hacked your networked and console of the EBOX69 what would you guys do differently than SONY?….thats right not a damn thing or the same thing as them right now. All bark and no bite doesn’t make you look tough Reask it makes you look silly. And yes I do realize theres a lot of folks out there not high tech minded and I also realize SONY doesn’t have the best on their payroll either. Before you post your anger toward the situation why can’t you sit back and understand that and focus your energy and frustration at the real issue…..the “HACKERS”

    First of all if a group end up making a console and some hackers attack it, i tell you what they will do differently, they will rebuild the network prior the attack as soon as GEO did gave the key open to everyone in the world or at least they will make modifications into their system like enhace the security messures, which sony didnt do, that in the users eyes is unaceptable, i give you that sony post the hack actions were good, not great because sony didnt gave the information as soon as the event happened, not they waited for a long week almost, and that saids to much about how sony cares about the consumers, But prior the hack was pretty bad, itwas lacking to said the least, why the passwords and personal data wasnt encrypted?, is their fault for not doing the minimum actions on security asspects, that again is unaceptable, even if it was the users decision to put in there the information, that doesnt mean that sony shouldnt at least put the effort to stablish the minimum and acceptable requeriments.

    “Smart move and I’m not blaming you for being extra precautions or safe, but once again if the root key was never exposed to the world and hackers this sophisticated never broke through you would still be under the illusion you were 100% safe and like I said before a NOOB like psychotext could never crack the PS3 without someone like Hotz so your info would still have been safe. About your co workers you should have educated yourself on the matter well before informing them the full details if you didn’t”.

    Is true if it wasnt for the key that Geo divulge nothing will had happened, but if you make a correlation of actions do it completly, geo divulge the key because of the other s issue at least that gave him the reason and or excuse to do it, sony did took it away when they did put it in there with and advertisment that will last the entire lyfcicle of the device, so it was a mistake provocated by sony, who again made another mistake when the key was open, and keep in mind the hack didnt occur in the exact day, therefore sony is responsible becuase they didnt take the necesary actions in order to prepare themselves for the upcoming attack, as you can see is all sonys mistakes of course with the help of hackers and crackers, but mainly this PSN shutdown was originated by sonys wrong actions or lack of actions if you will.

    On the rest i will not comment because the before mentioned discussion covers all of it, but again sony did made mistakes that could harm the users,they didnt even encrypted our data and passwords for gods sake, thats the bare minimal actions a company should take, even this site took those actions in order to give us the users the treatment we deserve, and thats what users with not a fanatic brand label on the brain are saying, because is the truth plain and simple

    #78 3 years ago
  79. frostquake

    I say just allow the venting of whatever system you like or dislike, but don’t take it personal, and certainly don’t attack people for it.

    Take them to task by pointing out differences but don’t ever make it personal or attack them personally, that is if you want to be taken seriously and not discounted as a “Fanboy”

    Do we have “Fanatics” on here, sure, and I just discount them and/or ignore them.

    I am happy to read any posts, as long as it is not a personal attack, and when I start seeing personal attacks, or group attacks, I end up just ignoring those people.

    #79 3 years ago
  80. Christopher Jack

    Some people go way too far to prove their point to a random guy on the internet. Do half of you even remember what your original point was when you finished typing your post guys?

    #80 3 years ago
  81. frostquake

    @Manu

    I will say this…After Geo divulged the Root Key, Sony should have Immediately asked everyone to remove their personal Information right away, and changed Passwords, just out of “Extreme Caution.” Of course I wished I would have thought of it too!

    The thing I didn’t like, is that Sony NEVER gave me a Chance to DO ANYTHING…they waited a week in silence, and then TOOK it down RIGHT AWAY, NO WARNING! Yes they had to right away, I know that. I just would have loved the chance to go in and delete everything right away, and not play this waiting game.

    The longer people wait, the angrier they will get. With the news coming out now about MORE hacks will just make people more angry.

    Nothing makes a MOB more angry then sitting around hearing bad news and then more bad news, days later, all the while waiting to get on the system and Delete everything.

    Ultimately…Everyday folks don’t care or even know about hackers or even what they are.

    All they Know is that Sony said, “You can feel 100% comfortable in providing us with all your intimate data, and know that it is 100% secure.” The promise was made by Sony and Sony alone, no one else.

    The Hackers could have simply BROKE in and then come out and said..”We broke in to show that Sony was not secure, and nothing Else. We did not take any personal data or copy any personal data.”

    Until I hear the hackers say that they took nothing, I will ALWAYS believe they took our data and intend to sell it. You see the problems with most hackers is that they don’t just break into a bank, they also steal/rob the money, but yet they want us to believe they did it to just show that the bank was vulnerable. Well, then why steal the freaking money?

    Sigh…
    Frosty

    #81 3 years ago
  82. OlderGamer

    I have been thinking it would have been nice if I could have managed my PSN account on a website ala the way MS handles LIVE.

    Then we could have removed info ourself. However I think doing so would have been like closing the barn door after the horse already got out.

    It just would have made us feel more in control and prolly a bit better.

    #82 3 years ago
  83. frostquake

    @ OG…I agree

    #83 3 years ago
  84. Gekidami

    You can manage your PSN account from a site. But you need to connect to PSN to do it… Which is down… You see where this is going? It would be the same for Live.

    #84 3 years ago
  85. DrDamn

    I’d rather they focus on the problem at hand and ensure when we do get back in that it is you getting in to change your details and not someone else – which it appears they are doing. You’ve more or less admitted yourself OG that the horse has bolted and so it really would be achieving nothing.

    #85 3 years ago
  86. theevilaires

    Spider I’m giving you 15 minutes to say what you have to say before I turn this bitch inside out….clock starts now!

    #86 3 years ago
  87. StolenGlory

    TEA’s epic rage is…

    Epic.

    #87 3 years ago
  88. OlderGamer

    @84 I see. Makes sense.

    @85, Yup, that was my point. Whats gone is gone.

    @87 Indeed. Rage. But thats about all he has is rage. But hold on I am about to get turned inside out. Should be good. I think i will ignore it, might make his head explode.

    #88 3 years ago
  89. theevilaires

    10 more minutes Spider….

    #89 3 years ago
  90. Blerk

    So we’re all agreed it’s pretty much entirely Sony’s fault, right?

    /runs

    #90 3 years ago
  91. theevilaires

    3 minutes left Spider say what you have to say or forever stay silent….

    #91 3 years ago
  92. spiderLAW

    hold up TEA im writing it out.

    #92 3 years ago
  93. lexph3re

    Lol band together lmao like og,mike,oconner?

    #93 3 years ago
  94. spiderLAW

    Really, I haven’t wasted my time by reading most of the babble bullshit that has gone on in this page. Quite frankly, most of you who run around acting like you know how everything works in this matter truly don’t know jack shit. Honestly.
    1) This one is for those of you who think Sony is the ones who should be completely responsible for what has gone down.:
    You people are completely ignorant, naïve, or just plain stupid. Plenty of us (the ones with an open mind that works in the correct ways needed to make proper assessments) said that something like this might happen because of Geohotz’s arrogance. All of you going about saying “O, but he did nothing illegal.” Bullshit to that nonsense. He granted the means to access Sony’s network to all the baby hackers out there that wanted to “Stick it to the man” because they are the victims. Get the fuck out with that nonsense. A lot of us said “Get Hotz in jail. Make him serve time, do something dammit.” While a few of you cried that he did nothing wrong. Obviously Sony knew that something would come of this, nobody could exactly say what, just that something big might happen. Obviously their assumption was correct. But because the people hammered them for attacking Hotz, they let him off easy. But really, most of those supporting the arrogant prick Hotz don’t even realize that he is basically sitting in his room right now thinking that all his followers that praised him during this mess are a bunch of retarded lemmings. And just because he said he wasn’t involved in this PSN shit doesn’t mean he wasn’t. He is actually the direct cause of all this. But again, lets protect the little guy against the big giant evil corporation that is Sony.
    You know what, at the end of it. You don’t like Sony? Don’t buy their product. Simple as that and usually/realistically most mature and intelligent adults will do just that.
    Then we have the self proclaimed “Figure/Savior of the People” that go about and try to show that they can best these giants of the industry and completely disregard the fact that the people they are supposidly fighting for will end up receiving the most damge over it.

    2) This one is for those of you that don’t believe that Sony is completely innocent here.:
    Honestly. Don’t be so naïve. They knew that following the release of the root key that other potential security breaks would happen. First off, when the root key was published they should have immediately thought through the possibilities. Not that everything can be prepared for BUT come one, if basic users had some ideas, then they should have as well. They let their arrogance get to them too.
    They should have shut down PSN and change the security from the beginning. They should have also removed the original DEV KITS from all developers and the likes and issue out replacements knowing that having access to the root key would allow for ANY kind of mod to be explored.

    There are 2 main faults here. SHackers and Sony. But really, a person that steps back and takes a look at the bigger picture here would see that the one who holds the most to blame is THE HAXORS.
    They are the cause of the alienation. They are the ones grabbing all your personal info. Have they apologized for any of this? No they haven’t. Sony has though. And they have offered all they can to make sure that their loyal customers are taken care of. They have offered all their support to any customers that might have been completely affected by this dilemma. They are also offering free goodies just for the downtime from PSN alone. Really….free goodies for not being able to play online for a couple of weeks, that says a lot about how much Sony cares for its customers.
    At first, I was against Sony because this never should have happened. But then, I put my anger and frustration aside and looked at it with a clear and mature mind and realized that Hackers (which I used to be one) are to blame for all this and people like Geohotz get off way to easy for their stupidity.

    Im really disappointed in a few of you. I thought some of you were more mature than what you have displayed during all this PSN debacle.
    Mostly you OG. You short sighted view in all of this is not of your character. When did you become such a MS dog that you cant see clearly? And then including me in banding together…. WTF are you on OG. I havent even been posting here in a long time. And also, when i did, it was with disapointment towards Sony. So really….you must have switched to the likes of the other trolls here where you just skim through comments and think you know of everything of what everyone has to say. Honestly…answer me…are you becoming a troll, a Xbot, or is Senility kicking in full stop? And actually, it is the people like you, who i held in high regards (untill now) that is making me not want to come to this site. Making bold suggestions and claims to things you nothing about. Again, speaking personally, telling me that I have been bashing those that talk shit about PSN….never have i ever done that. Actually, look at a few articles back and i said that if there isnt a conclusion to where the customers benefit, i might be switching back to my xbox as my main console. It got bad enough to where Lex had to talk to me on gmail to calm me down. You know what he said (Lex, who you also put in the group as some sony fanboy without and sense of rationality) “Spider, i know what you are saying. Just relax, take a step away from the games. Or even go play some xbox and get your fix. Go play online and stuff and just enjoy gaming. PSN is down but games are still here. Come back to PS3 when PSN is back up and running.”

    Anyways……. Most of you wont read passed the first paragraph.
    But I hope Pat can get back to posting news about games as his priority.

    #94 3 years ago
  95. spiderLAW

    @80 Crysis
    Hahaha sometimes i remember but most of the time i have to go back and read it over if its a long one lol.

    #95 3 years ago
  96. lexph3re

    Lol bump* nothing to say Tea? You know since we’ve banded together and all.lol

    #96 3 years ago
  97. OlderGamer

    Good post Mr. Law.

    And your right, I shouldn’t have grouped you in with Tea.

    As for your post, I agree with most of it. Couple of spots I don’t, like as soon as Sony expected anything they should have passed that along to us, stuff like that – no worries. Not worth agrueing about.

    But while your pissed at me, share some with Tea. You read the way he went off on reask? Thats what cheesed me off in this thread. Pretty stupid.

    I think some of the Sony fans are redirecting their distaste of Sony over this towards other posters. Esp when other posters express something negitive of their own about the PSN thing.

    In reasks case, he didn’t do anything wrong. Hell he even plays PS3 more then xb360. But tea pops back on and within a day or two is throwing around the same venoemious spew. Same ole shit.

    Sorry if you took offense to it too Lex. It was more a dig as Tea then you or Spider.

    As for why Tea hasn’t responded I think its because he wasn’t expecting that type of response from Spider. Spider said he blames both the hackers and Sony. I agree with that, but I doubt Tea would.

    Maybe I am wrong.

    #97 3 years ago
  98. lexph3re

    I primarily took offence because in the heat of this situation although I was angry a few times, I had been trying to help people realise what they can do to protect themselves. I wasn’t throwing hard accusations at sony because until further proof surfaced from their analysis of their servers it was pointless to assume. The only hardcore evidence when this first began was that a hacker was behind it.

    Then the info slowly leaked out. I was pissed to get a email after following the situation for a week. But, I just waited for the facts of what/if anything was compromised. I even told nightcrawler what to do to get his “fraud” claim. But, even recent claims he makes tells me he hasn’t been doing much to retrieve his “stolen” money so its hard to believe his story.

    I have never ganged up on anyone on this site in “fanboy rage”. I have always just expressed my thoughts any facts at that time and discuss. A lot of the times I’ve just dropped an opinion and left it alone. I don’t mind Tea because he atleast speaks the truth half the time. Then he says some outlandishly hilarious things that reminds me. This is just the internet and these are our thoughts that’s all.

    I have seen a lot of hypocritical people on this site. But, I don’t need to point out the people who contradict themselves and I don’t need to band together with anyone to attack someone. Spider and tea I consider friends. But, if they do/say something I don’t agree with I won’t jump to their side to give them a handjob. I will discuss with them like anyone else.

    #98 3 years ago
  99. frostquake

    If it is Sony– People will blame them, Others Won’t

    If it is Microsoft– People will blame them, Others Won’t

    If it is Nintendo– Well…Who still has a Wii and Cares?? Raise your Hands!! he he he he he

    #99 3 years ago
  100. frostquake

    100

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK-Fu6QwOoQ

    #100 3 years ago
  101. Gekidami

    And one.

    New page.

    #101 3 years ago
  102. frostquake

    Oh and if you call Sony in the USA to ask questions, Ask for a Specialist, or you will get some of the most ignorant people in a Call Center I have ever seen!!

    Here is Sony’s Customer Service Number in the USA for those who don’t have it:

    1-800-345-SONY
    6am-8pm PST

    #102 3 years ago
  103. spiderLAW

    @OG
    I agree. I dont get upset with TEA really because he is predictable.
    He is my friend so i know what to expect from him and although he can be very rude with his points, he does make SOMe valid ones and i learn from them. Same as your posts (not being rude most of the time) can be extremely biased but i too learn from those.
    Reask handled himself well i believe. Good head on his shoulders.

    Again OG….you should expect TEAs responses to be what they are before he actually makes them. I think thats what makes TEA great actually…He balances out the comments from the so called “Enlightened” ones. Thats the reason i left. Too many arrogant self procclaimed “enlightened/intellectual” posters running around here shittin on the little people.

    I apologise if i made any offense to you sir. I was angry and typed with frustrated fingers.

    But yes. Sony and the hackors are both to blame but not equally. Sony as a big corporation with billions of dollars invested in them by customers should take more precautions in protecting their customers. Hackors though, should never do shit like this. The hackors are the main people to blame. If there were no hackers, this wouldnt have ever happened. They perade aroun acting like they fight for the people when all they did was the opposite.

    @LEX
    absolutely agree. I know you, and know your character. You are exactly who you describe yourself to be and i know this by knowing you on a personal level.
    And i agree with what you said about TEA as well.
    And i also agree that as friends, if we say something out of line or something the other doesnt agree with, we should speak our mind to each other and point it out. No hand jobs :P

    #103 3 years ago
  104. theevilaires

    O.G. said: “The problem isn’t you reask. You didn’t do anything wrong and didn’t do anything to warrent that lashing from Tea”.

    “My advice ignore him”.

    Ok lets make this clear I didn’t lash out at Reask. The fact of the matter is if I didn’t respect the guy I wouldn’t have bothered to even reply to his comments (same as you). I think O’Conner is starting to rub off on you O.G. Its no secret everyone knows you prefer XBOX over PlayStation and I know most people here can see right through your bias BS just like me so your feeble attempts to come in here and do damage control are meaningless to half the community off the bat. The difference between me and them though is that they sit back and let you run your mouth but I’m gonna put you in your place every time.

    O.G. said: “I have often enjoyed reading his posts. I have long thought he brought some splash of color to this site. Sure he sometimes got carried away. It was fun(even funny), I thought. Maybe to some it still is”.

    “But to me it has grown old”.

    “The reason really boils down to not the opinions but the fanboyism. Its almost venomious”.

    Well thank you I appreciate the kind thoughts about me but I’m not about fanboyism I’m about speaking the truth and I have never (to my knowledge) ever lied when it came to discussing this industry companies and how I felt about their actions. For example the Blizzard 2 min 20 year anniversary thank you video article that was published 3 months ago. Thats what I do I speak my mind and I don’t care who likes it as long as people can relate and see where I’m coming from. I’ve shot down SONY and Kaz many times just like I have M$. Simple as that.

    O.G. said: “This site has a collection of gamers that are banding together(lex, Tea, spider, etc) and bashing anyone that points out the obvious(that being the PSN outages are bad.) When a site forms a gang of posters bent on slanting articles, beraiting the staff, and attacking fellow posters, the site becomes a place where you really can’t freely and activly participate”.

    “Its fanboy shit at its core and at its worst”.

    Oh thats funny :D Lets make a list of the people who are going around in a gang scaring people like the U.S.A. with its War on Terror fear mongering tactics.

    Garratt – Glen Beck
    Oldergamer – Camera Man
    Mike Bowden – Producer aka hype man
    Hunam – fellow ignorant xbot intern 1
    O’Conner – make up boy….gotta lick Garratt’s ass clean before showtime
    The Wulf – dumb ignorant audience member 1
    ManuOtaku – Brain washed fool sitting at home believing this BS
    Frank17 – dumb ignorant audience member 2
    G1GAHURTZ – here just for the free troll food
    Psychotext – behind the scenes conspirator news submitter
    MushroomStamp – dumb hateful xbot troll looking to cause mischief
    InfamousValdon – some random retard who hates SONY loves M$
    Benjo1981 – fellow ignorant xbot intern 2
    Erthazus – some pissed off 12 yr old who still wets the bed
    fucksony – disgruntle ex SONY employee gone rogue and now loves M$

    Welcome to the VG247 show Ladies and Gentlemen! They’re not a gang they’re a cast of righteous unbiased gamers who use their PS3′s everyday gaming online and frequently used the other OS feature before SONY took it out. They’ve never once showed any hate toward SONY in anyway right?

    WRONG!

    http://www.vg247.com/2011/04/23/hacked-to-death-sony-faces-crunch-time-over-psn-failures/comment-page-2/#comments

    http://www.vg247.com/2011/04/25/psn-down-for-five-days-sony-warns-of-time-intensive-fix/comment-page-1/#comments

    I love how blind you are to your own actions or those who bash SONY out of pure ignorance too but cry like a little bitch when someone defends SONY.

    Its your own ignorance at its best.

    O.G. said: “There is zero way to paint the PSN issues as a positive. There is very good cause for account holders to be concerned. Sony had lacking security. Sony mishandled getting info to the general public. Those amoung other things are simple facts”.

    “Some posters here are jumping all over other posters for calling a spade a spade”.

    Yea simple facts your simple minded ass would have never known unless “HACKERS” infiltrated PSN. If you’re so damn concerned then why didn’t you investigate these dooming issues the past 5 years PlayStation 3 were on the market and 3 of those years being without pre paid cards Mr. I payed $700 for my launch PS3. You openly admit you didn’t even use your PS3 within the 1st year of having it hence when you found out it was defective from the get go you got another but had already made XBOX360 your primary console.

    You expect any of us to believe you took your credit card info and bought something from PSN?! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! How dumb do you think we are?! Oh but wait it wasn’t you it was your friends who did on PS3…..but clearly I remember you telling us you had no friends on your PSN list and thats the reason you don’t use it and stick with LIVE cause all your friends are over there.

    You wanna call a spade a spade well I’m calling you out for the bullshit stirring lying asshole you are.

    O.G. said: “The sad fact is that these are just video games. PS3 is just a video game system. Sony just a company trying to make money. No different then Wii. No different then Nintendo. Or xbox360 and Microsoft. Most of us have no loyalty to either any of them. I have a game room full of different systems from different companies”.

    There is no sad fact that these are just video games but it is a sad fact when you show utter complete dumbness toward a company that has fucked you over on 4 XBOX360′s and you support them like no tomorrow but refuse to acknowledge PlayStation and SONY’s greatness in this industry. You can have a room full of systems you want but when you refuse to not try or play the console that has the best exclusives and game periods because it has the name SONY on it now thats sad. Thats you!

    O.G. said: “If this problem had happened to Microsoft, I (and many of us here, including you reask), would have spoken up and taken the same concern with it as I/we did with Sony and PSN. I am confident that a guy like Tea would have been all over MS if things had been different, yet he praises Sony”.

    “Again fanboy shit”.

    Apparently you don’t read everything I type or submit you only read what your eyes want to see. As I explained to Reask in my reply to him goes the same toward your foolish statement.

    O.G. said: “And at the sametime, Tea, you can sit there and blast other people. For what? Being concerned about their personal info? Feeling violated? Feeling disapointed? Kid, facts are facts. Sony is going to lose some face over this. People are going to be pissed. Imo, they have every right to be”.

    “Also, when did it become your job to personialy attack fellow posters and defend Sony”?

    Who did I blast?….Reask? LMAO stop trying to play lawyer because you suck at it. The only person’s who are being (acting) are the retards that barely use the PS3 and just want to kick up dirt. If you feel violated then blame the hackers as they are the ones who violated you not SONY. SONY didn’t steal your info you gave it to them free willingly and if you didn’t want to they didn’t force you in any kind of way. So to answer your other stupid question no I’m not disappointed.

    Sony is going to lose some face over this huh?….Yea keep dreaming because you and Garratt and G1GAHURTZ are fed up with SONY and you’re not going to buy anymore SONY games…..AWWWWW WAHHHHHHHHH SONY IS DOOMED 4 SHORE!!!1111 Please O.G. have mercy we need you on PSN to make it fun WAAHHHHHHHH.

    Also when did it become your job to spew so much negativity about a console you rarely use.

    O.G. said: “No one has any problem if you like PS3/Sony. But I have a hella problem with the name calling, poster bashing, and atacking. Esp when it it comes to reask, he is one of the most polite posters here. And the irony is that I saw him online with PS3 far more then I did with LIVE. So your calling him xbot is rather funny, and sad”.

    “I won’t be the first one to say it, but grow up. Let is slide and chill. people are going to vent a bit over Sony and its PSN. People vent over the hackers too. People often come here to express their opinions. And they should be able to do that. Even if it differs from your own”.

    “And Spider, shame on you. Your better then that”.

    Yes it does it bothers you very much because you know you can’t get away with spewing the hatred you have for them because I’ll strike you down every chance and make you look like the ass clown you are spreading your ignorance and misleading ways. Reask is a grown ass man he can defend himself grandpa he doesn’t need help from a senior citizen with a walker. I know Reask has put in some significant time on PSN with KZ3 as well as psychotext with GT5 but they both and forever will be “original XBOTS” of this site. Thats the term I used original as they first came on that way but slowly are making their way to becoming neutral unlike you.

    I won’t be the first one to think this but I’ll be the first one to openly say it. You need to go back up there in Sarah Palin country with her cooky ass and just sit in a boat and fish for the rest of your life. Give up video games as a hobby because obviously you can’t keep up in this fast moving industry anymore. How about we all pitch in and get you a gameboy with pinball as a retirement gift and you leave the discussions/debates to the younger gamers.

    #104 3 years ago
  105. OlderGamer

    Geez Tea, you done?

    Ok first up I assure you I don’t vote Republican. Why did I grab at that first? Dunno, maybe thats just how much I don’t vote Republican. Not that anything is wrong with that. People can and should vote for whom ever they like.

    So much crap in there I honestly can’t get to it all. And even if I did, I doubt many folks would care. I saw you do this to Michael too. You can really get going sometimes. And you won’t stop. So I will.

    No one wants to read a post war with two fools calling each other out over stuff most folks don’t care about in the first place.

    Last thing I will say is that I do have a PSN account with CC and personal info on it. the fav thing I have bought from PSN is either PSP2(Phantasy Star Potable 2) or Fat Princess. I have also bought Zen Pinball, Warhawk, and a handfull of other PSN games.

    As for friends on my PSN ask around this site, more then a few folks here are on my list.

    Good day to you.

    #105 3 years ago
  106. sony_sucks

    defending sony after all fuckups = stupid apologist fanboy who like what sony say to like whit no free will. you been treated like bitches stupid fanboy sheep

    psn suck. sony suck. ps3 fanboy=idiot.

    FACT

    #106 3 years ago
  107. spiderLAW

    wow :P

    #107 3 years ago
  108. DuhMan

    @104 You little cunt where the fuck am i in that list?
    @106 Get them girl.BEST USERAME EVER :)
    HERP A DERPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

    #108 3 years ago
  109. ManuOtaku

    #104 thanks for the description, a brain washed maybe, but iam at work right now so the home part is inaccurate, and yes i believe that sony has a fault in this situation more so than hackers and crackers, that also did play they part on this, but and here comes the big BUT, sony throw the PS3 to the market with the label UNHACKABLE on it, it wasnt me, the users or the hackers and crackers,that said it, did sony really expected this bold statement would not going to cause any consecuences at all?, in my eyes it was sony first mistake, then they also put Other S on it becuase they thought it will sell more, they advertise it for the whole lifecycle of the device, again a big tool for homebrew and piracy purposes, they gave this tool to hackers and crackers, when they saw the mistake (according with their own statements was for money issues), they took it away, also the same can be said with PS2 backwards compatibility for newer models.

    When the hack took place,they didnt act they reacted,sony knew the key was out there why they didnt take the necesary actions in order to avoid the damages, why the personal data was not encrypted?, and why they wait for too long to give information to their users at the right time?, for me they are too many mistakes to give the look somewhere else, we need to give a strong statement to sony if we want them to be a great videogame company, and thats what i do want.

    Is my strong believe that things like this indicates that sony doesnt care about their consumers, even though we are their primary reason to them for exist, and i am telling you this right now i will be buying the next sony consoles for sure, till the day they dont manufacture this anymore or i die, the same as nintendo , microsoft and i hope sega one day returns, i am a gamer and i want to play the best tittles on every console available, PC does not count of course, even if you think this is a rant or iam brain washed, but that doesnt mean also that i cannott see their bad handle of situations with the consumers/users, and that i cannot state my own opinion because in the end that hurts the industry as well not only sony, we need to make them better the way we can and that is stating our feelings and opinions, and also i do care for videogames and i love to see this industry evolve, back in the day i was afraid to said i was a gamer, because it was a bad thing like an stigma and they gave you the looks , right now is not that way thank god, and some day it will be a better, but we need strong manufactures that show respect for the consumers, but for that we need to criticize the manufactures when they do something wrong in order for that to happen, and that is what iam concerned even if i pass for a brain washed fool.

    #109 3 years ago
  110. lexph3re

    @106 Yet your name still is a advertisement for sony. Did you know although it says Sony_sucks the first thing you read is SONY. That’s product awareness all in its own. Now if you had your name as Suckit_Sony then the disrespect is regarded first.

    And, just so you know some people like to see a product with haters. If its good enough to hate must be worth checking into right?

    #110 3 years ago
  111. lexph3re

    Also thank you spider I appreciate we understand eachother without the handjobs.lol

    #111 3 years ago
  112. sony_sucks

    110 sheep. dont matter sony is dead now anyway

    #112 3 years ago
  113. spiderLAW

    lol

    #113 3 years ago
  114. lexph3re

    I love it when you talk dirty @112

    #114 3 years ago
  115. Tizzo86

    im new to this site….i’ve jus been watchin all this BS go down with sony….for some reason i feel like they goin outta business…i think i should go get an xbox because im dyin to play COD Blacc ops

    #115 3 years ago
  116. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    **walks into room***

    “hey guys what’s……………………..up”

    ***drops drink, runs towards exit door at ludicrous speed**

    #116 3 years ago
  117. spiderLAW

    @116
    SPACEBALLS!!!!!!!!!!!

    @115
    nice try buddy!

    #117 3 years ago
  118. sony_sucks

    115 this is end of sony in console for sure

    #118 3 years ago
  119. Gekidami

    ^ lol Talking to himself via 2 different accounts.

    #119 3 years ago
  120. Tizzo86

    then netflix stop workin on me ….i agree 118….its sad…all i really wanted to do was get bacc to normal…

    #120 3 years ago
  121. Tizzo86

    y they keep lyin to people that buy their games

    #121 3 years ago
  122. spiderLAW

    schizo?

    #122 3 years ago
  123. DaMan

    That KL sure is a what one would call ‘chippy’ indeed. Not surprising I mistook that one for biggest resident troll of 2009, The Shatner.

    Truly a mental patient.

    Just a couple of days ago, she tried masquerading her pathetic agenda by ‘defending’ lexphare. lol. Lex will take care of himself, besides you nutcase don’t really know either him nor me, and I ‘ve talked to the user longer than you were on this site.

    Even though my conversation with the aforementioned Lex ended, and without any conflict too, the nutcase proceeded to create an account of ‘DuhMan’, to demonstrate her stupidity. She ‘s now basically trying to provoke me, as well as probably thinks she’s being funny.

    Ironic for someone who claimed that she was defending lex from bullying. The simple truth is that lex is on Sony’s side, at least he does prefer their gadget.

    I have to apologize to all the idiots on the internet whom I called stupid. You’ve taken that to a whole new level. The irony was redefined as well.

    Originally, the nutjob was deeply offended when i once called her an ‘angsty consumer’ when they tried speculating about innovations in hardware despite knowing jackshit about anything, and started inane bickering. Then she really got an OCD, and began lurking on this website changing her account from “Psychotech’ to ‘KL”.

    Welcome to the internet. To be honest, I’m not sure why you’re using it. Think about that

    Top satire.

    I once saw her appearing just to state how user Gadzooks was ‘owned ‘ and ‘served’ by another poster. Yes, she lurks for months, and comes out at moments like that. In fact, *every* single time they appeared was either some ‘flaimbait’ article or users bickering.

    Another illustrating example of her little whiny insecure cuntish psyche was when Michael O’Connor criticized MGS for having sloppy storytelling. Instead of actually giving reasons as to why the storytelling isn’t bad, the subject proceeded with angsty rants and empty pseudo stealth insults.

    You can hardly speak for yourself, KL. Let alone someone else.

    The problem with the silly little woman is that she’s an angsty fanboy of everything Sony related and sadly never can argue her point properly. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about, and she can’t validate anything. She found out about proper storytelling when MoC commented on MGS :)

    Another amusing example was when she asked if people criticizing teenage level stories would probably laugh at childish ones. Not only you’re retarded, but shallow as well. No, they wouldn’t laugh. Teen stories are cringe worthy, childish ones are amusing in their naivety.

    Thus we have a hypocritical, silly, shallow twat trolling because that is ultimately all she is able to do.

    Anyway. Watching someone getting OCD over internet users dissing leisure gadgets is amazing.

    I’ll tell you something. You probably haven’t figured that out . In fact, not only it is amazingly decent comedy material, but a good playground to practice foreign language skills. Keep it up, warrior. Unlike you, this is far from my native tongue, so I do need practice. Please do continue to play the role of a sad cunt, I need to have everything covered.

    #123 3 years ago
  124. DaMan

    tl;dr version : Psychotech aka KL, you should perhaps go and give head to your boyfroend. In case of their absence (wouldn’t surprise me if it’s permanent), consider diazepam. lulz.

    It’s not about me being an ass, I only do this selectively to those who act like morons. It’s about you stupid piece of shit who warrants all this. So tough luck, you’re still a consuming tool. Do try harder.

    #124 3 years ago
  125. lexph3re

    Aw schucks Daman thinks I’m a big boy :-D lol

    #125 3 years ago
  126. DaMan

    I wonder if the crazy bitch runs around in the streets defending one guy against the other when they call each other names. Probably would, if Sony was involved. lol.

    #126 3 years ago
  127. Erthazus

    I’m on the TEA list. Freakin amazing :D YES! Successfull troll is successfull.

    #127 3 years ago
  128. MushroomStamp

    Tea, you’re a know nothing asshole that parades to have a shred of knowledge when you don’t. You don’t understand shit except what you read from one site to another.

    Your a hateful bitter douchebag that is hell bent on ruining this site for potential new posters. For instance I used to come to this site 10x a day, now I have come maybe 5 times this entire year. Low and behold what do I see, but you making comments about me and others without ANY provocation.

    I have more technical knowledge in my left nut than your whole being. I’ve been doing IT professionally for 20+ years and track record proving my worth. Your some snot nosed punk that doesn’t really have knowledge of his own.

    To take one of your philosophies of not letting people “get away with it” and must call them out. You call me a troll when I have never been a troll I merely defend the xbox from all the juvenile PS3 fanboys. yes I have a PS3 also, but I don’t feel the need to blast other. I generally chime in defense from arrogant bashing that you and other present.

    It’s all a matter of perspective. you see yourself as some hero, here to save everyone from their wrong opinions based your so called facts.

    Your a soulless douche who contributes nothing to society or gaming.

    You have ruined this site for many people with no justifcation other than you think your godlike views are the definition of life.

    your just a pathetic loser.

    #128 3 years ago
  129. Nozz

    welcome to VG24/7 also known as the school of hard knocks!

    #129 3 years ago
  130. OlderGamer

    “It’s all a matter of perspective. you see yourself as some hero, here to save everyone from their wrong opinions based your so called facts.

    Your a soulless douche who contributes nothing to society or gaming.

    You have ruined this site for many people with no justifcation other than you think your godlike views are the definition of life.

    your just a pathetic loser.”

    Well said Mushie.

    #130 3 years ago