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Report – Sony to inspect Geohot’s computer HDD

Friday, 11th February 2011 11:36 GMT By Johnny Cullen

According to a Wired report, PS3 hacker George “Geohot” Hotz must let Sony inspect his computer hard drive.

The order came down from US district court judge Susan Illston, who initially said that Hotz would need to retrieve information “that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation.”

“It’s information. It can’t be retrieved. It’s just not practical,” she said

She, however, retracted her comment, saying it was unreasonable and that she wasn’t clear of the details from her previous order.

“This kind of got away from me and I apologize for that,” Illston said.

Illstron ordered the attorneys of both Hotz and Sony to confer to with each other over where and when Hotz will let Sony look over the HDD, but the judge ordered Hotz not to delete or modify anything in connection to the PS3 jailbreak.

The case continues.

Via GamePolitics.

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  1. Crysis

    Wonder how much & what kind of porn they’ll find :P
    Can’t get him for one thing, at least they could get him on a technicality :P
    Not that he likely deserves it, but he is sure an egomaniac to post the root key, surely he must have seen this coming.

    #1 4 years ago
  2. back_up

    every hackers pirates just belong to PC.
    Put that noob in jail

    #2 4 years ago
  3. Erthazus

    No point in that at all…

    Wow… and what they will find there? HOTZ PORN? Wowzer…
    Console is wide open. Everything is done.Keys and every shit is out there.

    #3 4 years ago
  4. Crysis

    What is with you & hackers, do us ALL a favour & shut up if you can’t contribute to any conversation.

    #4 4 years ago
  5. NeoSquall

    @1 Well he didn’t actually post the root key (fail0verflow did), but he still deserves all the shit they’re throwing at him for starting the whole PS3 hack race.
    About the kind of porn they’ll find in there: I bet on anal, rimjobs and tentacle rape.

    #5 4 years ago
  6. back_up

    @4:
    a computer idiot did this hacking not a console gamers.
    This pretty much sums up that hacking is in blood of PC users

    #6 4 years ago
  7. Erthazus

    @6 So… YOU ARE ALSO a hacker. You use your PC to write this SHIT nonsence on VG247.

    Logic.

    #7 4 years ago
  8. Razor

    Well she sounds clued up, doesn’t she?

    #8 4 years ago
  9. Blerk

    I still don’t really understand why everyone seems to hate him. Didn’t hackers used to be heroes?

    #9 4 years ago
  10. blackdreamhunk

    Sony propaganda the ps3 has been hacked long time ago

    #10 4 years ago
  11. back_up

    @7
    No
    i am telling truth about what PC gamers are.
    and you are the one who who eats shit

    #11 4 years ago
  12. Erthazus

    @9,
    “Didn’t hackers used to be heroes?”

    since when?

    #12 4 years ago
  13. StolenGlory

    And yet another thread derailed.

    Yay.

    #13 4 years ago
  14. Hunam

    @5 Actually failoverfl0w cracked the key, but didn’t post it, just posted how they got to it. Hotz actually just followed what they posted and then posted the key right up.

    #14 4 years ago
  15. Blerk

    @12, since War Games!

    Console hackers have been around since consoles were invented. They were the guys that let you do things that the manufacturers stopped you from doing. I don’t remember people getting all uppity about the various PS2 hacks that let you play imported games and the like. What’s so different about this guy?

    #15 4 years ago
  16. mojo

    im starting to like back_up.
    hes so (no word for it), its hilarious.
    hes putting the whole troll thing to a completly new, not seen so far, level..

    hackers are good. however crackers are not.
    there is a huge difference.

    #16 4 years ago
  17. Crysis

    @9, You’re thinking of modding community.

    #17 4 years ago
  18. Blerk

    Hmm…. what’s the difference?

    #18 4 years ago
  19. Unlimax

    “Hotz will let Sony look over the HDD”

    Wait , Isn’t this a violation of property rights !

    #19 4 years ago
  20. back_up

    @18
    it’s simply just think of difference between square and rectangle :P

    #20 4 years ago
  21. back_up

    edit : simple

    #21 4 years ago
  22. Crysis

    @18, Pronunciation? :P

    #22 4 years ago
  23. Michael O’Connor

    @1 They’re not trying to put him in jail.

    Why do people keep making these kind of assumptions?

    #23 4 years ago
  24. pukem0n

    oh noes ^^

    he should give them a PC with a brand new harddrive filled with 1TB of PORN! :D

    #24 4 years ago
  25. Crysis

    @23, I know that ;\
    But if you couldn’t get what you want, you’d still want to punish the guy/s who caused it, wouldn’t you?

    #25 4 years ago
  26. Dralen

    @Back_up Wow! You really are totally clueless. You can’t see anything beyond your own delusional self. Not all PC gamers are hackers, just like not everyone is a total PS3 fanboy.

    #26 4 years ago
  27. NeoSquall

    @14 Duh, that’s news for me.
    I thought Hotz just worked on the jailbreak without posting anything public, while fail0verflow spread the key during a hacker conference.

    If Hotz actually posted the key then his position is way worse than I first expected.

    #27 4 years ago
  28. TheWulf

    @6

    You might be right. And I’m proud of it.

    The thing is is that the PC is an open platform, if you realise the potential of open source and platforms like Linux, you come to understand that it’s an incredibly open platform.

    On my computer I can play films and games from any region, simply by the merit of owning a computer. To do so is a simple thing. In fact, removing region restrictions in even any Windows OS is a simple thing that anyone could do in their sleep. All you have to do is download a media player like VideoLAN.

    Having a computer is all about having the rights to shape that computer as you please. You choose what hardware goes into it, you choose the configuration of that hardware, you build it, and then to whatever degree you’re inclined, you can engineer the software that runs on it.

    In college you’ll have ‘hackers’ who work with this sort of thing to do the most incredible things. I have a friend whom I introduced to Second Life, he got into the coding there and built some really hilarious monstrocities. He’s not a /b/tard though so he doesn’t really use these things or give them out. He just likes seeing whether he could make them..

    In hacking Second Life to twist it to do things he wanted, he learned a lot about vectors. He put that knowledge of vectors to use to get a robot arm to do some truly insane things for a project of a college (American use of the word) course he’s doing. It was so impressive that it actually shocked his professor to the point where that professor demanded to see his code.

    Eventually, that friend of mine, amazing roboticist that he is, is going to be building revolutionary artificial limbs for disabled people. He’s a hacker, and he’ll make the world better simply by the very merit of what he does.

    What are you doing with your life?

    PC people and hackers are some of the best damn people in the world. What you fail to realise is that hacking brought about some of the biggest technological revolutions we’ve seen. Hacking will continue to push the Sciences of computers and technology to new echelons, boundaries will be surpassed, bars will continue to be raised, and all thanks to curious hackers who wanted to see if they could do something, and prove that they could.

    @9

    Hackers are still heroes, you just have to be acquainted with the right circles. They get a bad rep these days but they’re still doing the most amazing things. They’re making brilliant mods for games, they’re pushing technology past what people thought it could do, they’re restoring our rights, and generally they make the world a better place.

    Large corporations who only see the bad side of them have done a good job at spindoctoring their image into something evil. But I’ve made a good case above as to why that’s bullshit. People will buy things though. That’s the raison d’etre of most people. A big company sells something and they’ll just buy it all up. Even if what they’re being sold is complete nonsense.

    One of these days I’m going to get myself a big, shiny logo, a pR guy, and I’m going to start selling bridges.

    @17

    You’re drawing a line in the sand. The kind of hackers we’re talking about here and modders often belong to the same group. That group is coders that take something and then do things with it to add functionality that wasn’t originally there.

    GoeHot and fail0verflow modded the PS3 to restore the Other OS option. Do you see where you’re drawing a line in the sand? It’s either down to ignorance or intellectual dishonesty, but what they do and why they do it is often for much the same reason.

    People have rights, big corporations sometimes take those rights away, then hackers/modders restore those rights.

    @25

    So.. if a big company does something unethical, and a small hacker does something ethical, the big company should be permitted to punish the little guy because their unethical action was reverted?

    What a strange, bizare world you live in, and what topsy-turvy world views you must have.

    #28 4 years ago
  29. mojo

    the difference.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(computing)#Hacker_definition_controversy

    #29 4 years ago
  30. NeoSquall

    @28 I agree with the first part of your post about hackers and their contribution to computer science history.
    The only part where your post fails is trying to justify GeoHot’s and fail0verflow’s actions with the old “Other OS” BS, not mentioning why Sony removed the function in the first place.

    You can insist that you paid the console and you’re supposed to “own” it, while it’s been cleared that Sony still “owns” the console you purchased.

    If you really want a console that you can mess with and do whatever you want, just build it yourself, put Linux and other open source/free software inside and enjoy limitless exploitation.

    Or buy a PC.

    #30 4 years ago
  31. raloB

    No good letting Sony having his HDD if it’s a Truecrypt drive. Don’t think he’s obliged, under the order, to decrypt it either.

    #31 4 years ago
  32. back_up

    @26
    few PC gamers are hackers and Most of PC gamers are pirates
    devlopers and publishers are already proved it

    #32 4 years ago
  33. Michael O’Connor

    @30 This is not even remotely true. Any physical item you purchase is your legal property from that point onwards. You can do whatever the hell you want to it, and nobody can arrest you for it.

    Sony does not own your console after you buy it. That’s the most ridiculous statement I’ve heard on here in a very long time. They can deny you access to their online services If you infringe on their EULA, but they have absolutely no legal ownership of your console in any way, shape or form.

    #33 4 years ago
  34. OlderGamer

    Great post wulf, good reading.

    And while I 100% agree with you Michael, the law is a grey area. The reason is that you can buy it, and you do own it, but you can’t use their services with it in any way that is not permitted in the liscencing argreement. And theri in lays the problem really.

    Companies think they can control the way you use something that they made.

    This move by Sony is 100% phising. They are getting a blanket search warrent and then going in to see what they can find. I think it is BS in its purest form and am very dissapointed that the judge fell for it.

    Lets say they find something damning on his HDD beit connected to this case or not, they will use it to smear him as a villian. I am not claiming he is or isn’t, but lets say he does have porn on his PC(or gay porn) or something else legal but socialy damning, think Sony will sit on that info?

    Sony just got a blank search warrent.

    #34 4 years ago
  35. Michael O’Connor

    @34 That’s exactly what I said. You own the physical object. The original poster was claiming that Sony owned the console, and made no mention of any service of all kind.

    They have every right to deny the user access to a service at their own discretion. You didn’t pay for the service when you bought the box.

    #35 4 years ago
  36. OlderGamer

    I still think it is a grey area, as far as the law is concerned.

    #36 4 years ago
  37. Michael O’Connor

    @36 It’s not even remotely gray in the slightest, O.G. (always feel weird calling you that seeing as I know your real name. Goods and services are two completely different things.

    They can seize his stuff if it has been used for illegal activity. Whether or not the revealing of those codes was a breach of the law or not is a completely different subject altogether.

    #37 4 years ago
  38. xino

    I wonder what porn he watches?
    Japanese?
    Milfs?
    cougar?
    anal?
    ass?
    bubble butt?
    gang bang?

    Sony will find life in his HDD:P

    #38 4 years ago
  39. Psychotext

    Given the amount of time he had before they took his computer I’d imagine that there was very little of interest left.

    #39 4 years ago
  40. NeoSquall

    @33 Sorry, I just choose the wrong words for my statement.

    What I wanted to say is that, even though you pay and possess/own the console, you’re still bound by the EULA you implicitly agree with when you purchase the console, which is supposed to be a legal way to protect the patented technologies included in the PS3.
    If you make something outside the EULA, like uncovering the rootkey and spreading on the Internet or just using a third party OS to explore the hardware layer of the machine, Sony can take any action they are allowed by actual laws and leave you owning nothing more than a black 2-3 kilograms brick made of silicon and plastic.
    And I think no common judge can say anything about it.

    #40 4 years ago
  41. OlderGamer

    ^^^What Neo said.

    And maybe grey area is the wrong term. Maybe it is more a desceptive truth. And maybe our laws are different then EU laws. Or maybe I am indeed ignorant on the subject(wouldn’t be the first time I been schooled, won’t be the last).

    But I am betting that in acordence to the law, we don’t own and have the right to use these type of thing in any way that we see fit.

    I think we should have those rights, but we don’t. I don’t think.

    I mean at the crux of it, isn’t that the driving issue here?

    He used a PS3 “wrongly” and the info to use the system in that manor got out. Now the fear is that others will use the system in manor that was not intended. I mean what rights are Sony then protect if not ones implied in liscencing?

    If not a grey area, most certianly a confusing one.

    As far as my name I am Patrick Gerhitt, thought we covered that ;)

    lol

    As far as my real name goes so long as you don’t use my last one of course, I am fine with it. Hey you, works too, all good.

    #41 4 years ago
  42. Michael O’Connor

    @40 Well, yes, if you used something to break the law, then the authorities have a legal right to confiscate it. Like I said though, whether he broke the law or not is the real stickler.

    #42 4 years ago
  43. DEADEYES

    Nah, i think you guys shouldn’t bother with this “back_up” guy. Every topics or comments which involved with him, always he said “PC are pirates, are hacked, etc…” and he left a long conversation of “war” between the other but don’t have any clues or points!

    So, i can say: DON’T BOTHER HIM! ^^

    #43 4 years ago
  44. back_up

    @43
    i think you guys shouldn’t bother with this “DEADEYES” guy
    all pc gamers are pirates just look what happen to crysis 2 build

    #44 4 years ago
  45. DEADEYES

    @ Back_up: Oh, really? =)) then don’t bother me, dude! =)) But you say “all pc gamers are pirates”, so i guess someone here will get angry! ^^

    #45 4 years ago