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Battlefield 3 boss: “You don’t kill CoD by trying to be CoD”

Sunday, 6th February 2011 19:52 GMT By Joe Anderson

Battlefield 3 gameplay designer Alan Kertz has taken to Twitter to reveal more on the game, saying the way to “kill” Call of Duty is to make a “better shooter”.

Kertz said in the Twitter Q&A session that “you don’t kill CoD by trying to be CoD. You kill CoD by making a better shooter.”

During a Twitter Q&A session, Kertz also said it’s unlikely there’ll be a server browser for console versions of the game, which probably means due to technical reasons this will be cut the number of players from 64 – confirmed for the PC version – to 24, although Kertz wouldn’t confirm or deny these figures.

Kertz also gave some further details such as:

  • You’ll be able to lie down on the job
  • MoH MP and BC2 used the same weapon and FOV systems… BF3 is an upgraded version
  • Destruction is important for DICE, as is visual quality and vehicles.
  • Consoles will be able to get the Limited Edition too.
  • One of the cities is Tehran.

An image leaked yesterday giving some details on the Limited Edition version of the game, which will  release alongside the standard version this fall on PC, PS3, and Xbox 360.

The first Battlefield 3 teaser trailer hit last week, as did sparse details on locales and multiplayer numbers.

The game will be shown for the first time at GDC in San Francisco at the end of this month.

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  1. Redh3lix

    PC version for me, all the way.

    Nobody will ever beat COD in terms of sales. It appeals to all the scrubby, talentless, stat and K/d whoring players out there, of which there is an awful lot. /rant

    #1 4 years ago
  2. Maximum Payne

    ”you don’t kill CoD by trying to be CoD”

    Medal of Honor says Hello.

    #2 4 years ago
  3. Stardog

    Well, we know the FOV will be terrible then, and non-adjustable.

    #3 4 years ago
  4. EvilTomato

    #1 don’t be sure about that :D.. Black Ops failed everyone.. and the MW3 is going to fail again with Raven working on the multiplayer.. Raven is a crap company for MP, they’re good only in Single Player.
    Anyways.. I bet Battlefield 3 is going to own COD this year! after they underrated Bad Company 2 and they were totaly wrong with that
    most of the people are going to buy BF3 this year I got a good feeling about it :D

    #4 4 years ago
  5. OrbitMonkey

    ^ Anti-COD snobbery, never gets old *racks up noob-tube*

    #5 4 years ago
  6. Gekidami

    EA need to release a disclaimer:

    “Alan Kertz does not speak in the name of Electronic Arts, Inc as a whole. Please enjoy our quality releases such as MEDAL OF HONOR™, and upcoming titles such as CRYSIS 2™ by CRYTEK.”

    #6 4 years ago
  7. Crysis

    The one thing i liked about BF2: Modern Combat’s Single player is that you were JUST a soldier, your guy was replaceable, if you died, you became just another soldier, parachuting your way into the fight, I’m getting sick of the idea in fps lately that you & your squad are invincible despite being just soldiers, it’s probably why I didn’t enjoy Badcompany 1 & 2, I guess what i’m saying is that i want the story to be told through the war/battle itself, not a typical invincible squad.
    Also i loved hot-swapping :D

    #7 4 years ago
  8. AHA-Lambda

    FINALLY!!! Someone gets it!!

    CoD didnt beat halo by being halo now did it?!

    Now just tell this to MoH, homefront, crysis etc

    #8 4 years ago
  9. James Mac

    @4

    Raven did the multiplayer for Jedi Outcast, and that was plenty of fun.

    #9 4 years ago
  10. Crysis

    I think this is where THQ fails, they always set out to beat the best, with Space Marine they expect it to beat Gears, with Homefront they expect it to beat CoD, with Dark Millennium they expect to beat WoW, with Saints Row they expect it to beat GTA, now don’t get me wrong, I’m sure all of them will be great, but THQ always sets their hopes too high.

    #10 4 years ago
  11. Maximum Payne

    @10 Actually Homefront is more like Battlefield.Team behind Homefront made desert storm which is mode for 1942,Fuel of War and now Homefront…

    #11 4 years ago
  12. Erthazus

    “You’ll be able to lie down on the job
    MoH MP and BC2 used the same weapon and FOV systems… BF3 is an upgraded version
    Destruction is important for DICE, as is visual quality and vehicles.

    YEEEEEEEEEEEAH! PC Version all the way for me.

    MY BODY IS READY

    #12 4 years ago
  13. Erthazus

    But the most important part of course is… 64 players on PC :3

    #13 4 years ago
  14. onlineatron

    ‘You’ll be able to lie down on the job’

    ???
    *You won’t be able to lie down on the job??

    #14 4 years ago
  15. Shaz37k

    Soooooooooo can’t wait for this.

    #15 4 years ago
  16. Bikki

    This game should be a pc exclusive.

    #16 4 years ago
  17. DSB

    He’s quoting Ricitiello pretty much word by word, but he’s just as right about only beating CoD once you make a better game.

    I’m surprised that no one has been able to so far. Although I do see CoD taking a major hit with the next few iterations.

    Looking forward to seeing what BF3 is going to turn out like, though.

    @8 I’m guessing you didn’t play MoH :p

    @11 You’re saying Fuel of War was as good as Battlefield?

    #17 4 years ago
  18. Doz12

    i think this could be somewhere near a COD beater after bc2 had such good sales and with no COD yet for 2011 there could be a lot of COD players turning towards battlefield.

    @16 yeh let EA make it a pc exclusive and see their sales struggle to reach a million! Idiot!

    #18 4 years ago
  19. LOLshock94

    that image looks like BFBC1

    #19 4 years ago
  20. AHA-Lambda

    @17 – i did play moh. They are pretty damned similar

    #20 4 years ago
  21. LOLshock94

    tbh i dont want this to beat COD because not only does DICE milk the shit out of this but i can see EA being another “activation” cause we all know that EA are badder then acti

    #21 4 years ago
  22. DSB

    @20 Felt like a completely different thing to me.

    Different setting, different engine, different weapons, less twitch gameplay.

    Although I suppose it did have moments like the carchase, but the fact that it’s a Hollywood-inspired “military” shooter doesn’t make it a CoD.

    #22 4 years ago
  23. OrbitMonkey

    If you want to beat COD, you got to make it as accessible as COD, offer something new for the jaded & market it well. Simples.

    #23 4 years ago
  24. Erthazus

    If you want to beat CoD sales you need not to think about CoD

    If you think about it you will never win no matter how you want.

    #24 4 years ago
  25. loki

    Another COD killer from EA. Fail

    #25 4 years ago
  26. OrbitMonkey

    @24 How very Zen, you watch Kung Fu? :)

    Personally I think to beat COD you got to make a game that EVERYONE on the internet will say will fail & is shit etc… It’s why I think Ninja Theorys remake of Devil May Cry will be a epic win… Oh no he didn’t!! :D

    #26 4 years ago
  27. DSB

    OrbitMonkey, stop making funny and apt comments and go buy Deus Ex.

    Douche.

    #27 4 years ago
  28. OrbitMonkey

    @27 Waiting for the HD remake of Deus Ex :)

    & if Someone wants to start a petition for a HD remake of System Shock, you’ve got my vote :D

    #28 4 years ago
  29. G1GAHURTZ

    This game has FAIL written all over it.

    When are EA ever going to learn that this unhealthy obsession of their with CoD is pathetic.

    I’m quite certain that this game will do ‘good’ for 6 months, then DIE.

    Just like BC2 and all the rest of EA’s useless, one trick pony ‘CoD killers’.

    The sad thing is that they’re being encouraged by a meagre handful of underdog championing wierdos on the internet, who are upset because they’re complete FPS n00bs.

    #29 4 years ago
  30. Crysis

    Yes & being good at a game of CoD is such an accomplishment (Your mum must be proud), that your opinions are superior to everyone else… you’re such a tool GHZ.

    #30 4 years ago
  31. G1GAHURTZ

    What I am is irrelevant.

    Fact is, I’d probably beat you at any FPS you want to go for, but so what??

    Your ad hominem nonsense doesn’t change the fact that BF3 will FAIL, just like every single other EA ‘CoD killer’ has FAILED.

    You can get hyped for an AVERAGE game all you like.

    Actually, watching these goldfish-like reactions is quite funny.

    You’ll probably be saying the exact same thing about some other ‘CoD killer’ FPS next year…

    LOL!

    #31 4 years ago
  32. Crysis

    CoD is a very, very basic arcade game, it uses the same fps formula that has been around for well over a decade, nearly 2, but overall, it’s mediocre, when someone wants to beat CoD, they are referring to sales, the game involves running around like a headless chook shooting whatever moves with the occasional camper, that’s all there is to it, there’s fuck all strategy, fuck all teamwork, fuck all explosions, no destruction, no vehicles, in what way is this a ‘modern’ game? I give CoD 4 some credit for being graphically ahead of most other games at the time, but that is all, this is just my view, Battlefield is a far superior game in all these aspects, but i don’t take my games too seriously, sure winning is always good, but unlike some, i play for fun, not competition, i find that a little sad tbh.

    #32 4 years ago
  33. G1GAHURTZ

    Your opinion of CoD is entirely your business. I have no problem with people not liking the gameplay for whatever reason.

    What I do have a problem with, is people mistakenly thinking that going on a non-stop CoD bashing campaign is going to change anyone else’s mind.

    The fact is that there is no way in the WORLD that this, or any other game is going to beat CoD until it can convince people like me (long term CoD only players) to put CoD down play that game instead.

    To be perfectly frank, you won’t do that with explosions, tanks or destructible walls.

    It’s people like me that EA needs to convince, not people like the ones on here are already day 1 buyers.

    I’d snatch your hand off for a better game than CoD, and I’m sure that the double figures of millions of regular CoD players would do the same.

    If EA can do this, they would have truly beaten CoD.

    So that’s what they should focus on doing, instead of getting into little group hugging sessions with the few noisy ‘anything but CoD’ fanboys on the internet and achieving nothing whatsoever.

    #33 4 years ago
  34. OrbitMonkey

    You can stop swinging that hammer now Giga, you just nailed it :)

    #34 4 years ago
  35. Aimless

    @33 I don’t think you’re the market they should be aiming for at all. Clearly you’re heavily invested in CoD to the point where you don’t want to play something that’s different, only iterative — not saying there’s anything wrong with that, per se.

    The people EA need to court are the millions of more casual CoD players, a similar market to that which buys FIFA and Madden every year. Ultimately those are the people making up the bulk of shooter sales, not the relative minority that are highly competitive or frequent message boards.

    Battlefield 3 won’t be the game to do that, of course. I think the series is fundamentally too intimidating, even the Bad Company branch.

    #35 4 years ago
  36. freedoms_stain

    Battlefield doesn’t need more casuals. We’ve got plenty of Wookies who don’t know what an m-com looks like up close already thanks.

    #36 4 years ago
  37. Hybridpsycho

    I cannot believe it has become such a discussion on this thread.

    Due to this being the most obvious and therefor stupid statement ever made.

    #37 4 years ago
  38. Erthazus

    @GIGAHURTZ, “I’m quite certain that this game will do ‘good’ for 6 months, then DIE.

    Just like BC2 and all the rest of EA’s useless, one trick pony ‘CoD killers’.

    Thats exactly opposite :D

    When new CoD comes out, old one dies by the year and DICE continue to support old games and they live through the new generation (Battlefield 2 is still going strong)
    You can watch statistics at STEAM if you want to :D

    and no one will going to convince you to play it (i hope), we don’t need running and gunning gameplay here.

    The Battlefield franchise in my opinion is the best of the best when it comes to the First Person Shooter. Great sound design, a wonderful attention to detail, and balance after the updates. Call Of Duty hasn’t involved skill since 2 and the second they added killstreaks it became nothing but cheap tactics and exploitation of the games faults. Battlefield presents camaraderie and teamwork and actual tactical gameplay that is much more than simple pointing and shooting. You go rogue in Battlefield you go dead. I’m thoroughly excited for 3 and I have faith that Dice will present us with an excellent product that is new and exciting given the new engine and will sell 10 million units (BC2 as a spinnoff sold for 6 million already) and for a tactical FPS thats a significant achievement.

    EA just wants CoD money, but they won’t ssucceed and REAL gamers don’t care about SALES, they care about GAMES.

    Thats it, who thinks opposite can suck his own penis playing Call Of duty again and again.

    #38 4 years ago
  39. back_up

    European developers already killed COD

    #39 4 years ago
  40. Michael O’Connor

    @31 Because a game is only a success if it sells 13 million, amirite?

    Wait, no, you’re not. Surprise there.

    Although good things *can* be popularity, the popularity of something has never, ever been a testament to its quality. If it was, then the Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga would be the greatest musical artists of all time, Avatar the best movie ever made, and The DaVinci Code a modern literary masterpiece.

    #40 4 years ago
  41. mojo

    ” it’s unlikely there’ll be a server browser for console versions of the game, which probably means due to technical reasons this will be cut the number of players from 64 – confirmed for the PC version – to 24″

    so shall we go on with the debate that consoles themself limit the playercount to 24 or can i officialy say “am i right or what”?
    :D

    DIS-A-POINTING!

    #41 4 years ago
  42. mojo

    ” If it was, then the Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga would be the greatest musical artists of all time, Avatar the best movie ever made, and The DaVinci Code a modern literary masterpiece.”
    ur doubting that? BLASPHEMY!!
    ;)

    #42 4 years ago
  43. Michael O’Connor

    @41 Of course its the console hardware limiting things.

    #43 4 years ago
  44. mojo

    i read this as the lack of a server browser limits the players to 24. not that i makes sense to me. did i misunderstand?

    #44 4 years ago
  45. G1GAHURTZ

    Be under no illusion. EA want to “beat” CoD, just like they managed to get FIFA to beat PES.

    They want to have a higher metacritic, sell more copies, have more hours played, sell more DLC and make more money, in exactly the same way as they managed to with FIFA against PES.

    They’ve failed miserably on each and every single one of those points.

    No-one’s talking about music, or breaking even here.

    If your aim is to “beat” something in the games industry, that clearly doesn’t mean making a product that the minority tell you is good, based on their irrational hatred of other products.

    #45 4 years ago
  46. Michael O’Connor

    @45 It’s just dick-waving. This sort of tactic is surprisingly good for building interest.

    Doesn’t change the fact that they’ve already made the better game. And I assure you, plenty of us think Battlefield is better simply because we think its better, not because if some irrational dislike of the “opposition’s” game.

    #46 4 years ago
  47. mojo

    battlefield allready wins, coz it has choppers.
    every game with choppers wins!

    #47 4 years ago
  48. mojo

    ahem, copters..

    #48 4 years ago
  49. Michael O’Connor

    Jungle Strike. <3

    #49 4 years ago
  50. Erthazus

    @mojo, choppers? They suck… because Battlefield 3 will have JETS! :D

    #50 4 years ago
  51. GwynbleiddiuM

    I don’t understand why everyone picturing themselves in a league to beat CoD, while their game was always more intense and impressive experience than aforementioned. Look at BF2, the game needs no praise and still imo the best multiplayer team action shooter out there. You need to continue in your own direction and try to raise the bar by introducing new elements that helps elevate the franchise. keep talking about how u should beat cod is nothing but distraction and upsetting your fan-base. Yes, CoD created a strong fan base of people who mostly run n gun or camp, you created a new environment that if 20 ppl camp doesn’t change anything there are still 44 people out that can make the game balance and fun.

    Battlefield always win cuz it’s a kind of game that people are required to participate in team play.

    #51 4 years ago
  52. DSB

    Yeah, Gwyn, none of those things go for either BF2 or BC2.

    And I’m just being a boldfaced liar right there, because it did, and it does.

    I can’t count the games I’ve seen thrown away in countless hours of playing BF2, either because someone wanted to camp out a specific node that they had apparently fallen in love with, or because they wanted to climb a nice big crane and take potshots at a couple of guys out there actually scoring points for their team.

    I know a lot of people are so fanatical about their personal preference that they subscribe to this theory that people playing online are just so existentially different from one another by virtue of the game they happen to be in, but as a relatively sane person, I’ve seen absolutely no evidence of that in any free multiplayer game.

    #52 4 years ago