Kojima Productions hiring staff for “Next Generation Metal Gear Solid Series”

*BARFS UNCONTROLLABLY* omg you used *barfs* the taboo.*BARFS THEN FARTS* word!

@100 This is of course excluding its high quality of writing, its strong character developement, it’s broad lore, its witty and referential naming of things, and the frequent, positive underlying messages in its stories.

Simply saying it’s overhyped nonsense doesn’t make it overhyped nonsense. Try actually explaining why it is.

I can’t argue on these topics of book selections. For, they are taboo in my heart!

@99 It’s just the way you see it.
to make things easier for you it does a little bit but only for this specific medium and for that it does it very well,very few exceptions can do better,thus it remains one of the best.It’s a GAME get over it.

a little bit? hah.

completely agreed with Michael O’Connor.

if ‘MGS doesn’t try to be serious or pass any messages’, how come it has those ridiculously sentimental, overdramatic scenes like the death of Fox in MGS1, or the whole Big Boss melodrama? you folks are either backpedalling, or fail to see what your favourite game is about.. sorry, no two ways about that, it does try to be serious.

how do you explain that pseudo intelligent, pseudo emotional scene with Sniper Wolf?

hell, have you ever listened to what Kojima is saying, have you read his comments on the games? ie about the voice actor being touched with the ending of MGS3, and the such?

it tries, and very hard. it just fails, spectacularly. you ‘re right KL, it succeeds for the ‘specific medium’… it’s akin to those rock groups from 80s, adored by angsty teenagers.

I didn’t want to sound like a prick, sorry if I offended someone like spider. but that was just ridiculous.

Lol daman your not getting the fact that its story telling and a fictional one at that. Kojima likes to make serious moments then wtf moments. He’s said that in several of his interviews. And, its honestly why I like his form of story telling more then anything else. He knows how to get you serious one moment then make you laugh the next. Its just what he does

The problem is, those “serious” moments are god awfully written and pretentious as all hell. A character stands there for half an hour, either while dying or before a climatic battle (or sometimes both), and Snake basically just sits around while a dangerous terrorists rambles on about their ideologies instead of simply shooting them in the face.

Show, don’t tell.
Show, don’t tell.

It’s the most basic rule of writing, and they can’t even get that much right.

I did not need The Boss standing there with her breasts hanging out for half an hour, telling us all about patriotism and blind ideology, for me to understand that that was the story was about.

A good story doesn’t need a character to ramble on about their beliefs for 10 pages in order to get its point across. The actions of the characters within the story should be enough to do that.

You people say it’s good writing, but when its pointed out to you why it isn’t, you make up excuses as to why it’s allowed to get away with its shitty ideas, deus ex machinas, and directionless storytelling.

i like how every time someone criticizes these holy games they get attacked and told ‘you’re not getting it’..

what does the ‘fictional’ thing have to do with this? I never said that it’s silly in the sense that it’s unrealistic.

I’ll tell you what.. when I was a teenager, I thought MGS is the epitome of emotional drama. I laughed at the jokes, and I felt sad at those serious moments. it’s a great game for a certain age, never denied that. much like I would argue to death that Xenogears or FF7 or other srs bsns ‘mature’ jrpg were amazing when you’re 15-19, never laughed at that.

@108 Xenogears is actually a brilliant example of this problem.

Spouting off Friedrich Nietzsche’s personal philosophies for 30 hours is not high brown, intelligent storytelling. It’s sign of a lack of inability to express your own ideas to the viewer.

The fact that the story is centred around a spiky haired teenager and giant robots only further proves this.

IMHO, Portal remains a high point in interactive storytelling. Understated, moving (there’s something deeply tragic [in the Educating Rita sense] about GlaDOS), raises more questions than it answers… top marks.

BioShock and Assassin’s Creed are both good also, but they both kind of beat you round the head with their plot points (AC less so, but the ending of 2 could’ve been more subtle).

Do you know what I hate about the modern interpretation of action movies over the late 80′s early 90s movies? I hate the fact that the action was made more realistic and the over the top execution was negated and not simply improved on. The reason every modern action movie sucks is because they are limited to the laws of physics. I loved the fact you shot a car door in a action movie then the car blew up like it had c4 in it. It was fun and exciting. And NOT REAL!

The consistency of the mgs series and dedication to finishing with the same but improved from last formula made it fun. I do not want to see my super soldier snake fighting like drake or some standard human. If they would’ve done this I would’ve lost all interest in the series. It makes no since to go from unlimited to limited.

And, remember a most of the time in those battles the soldiers were looking to make a name for themselves or be ended by snake. So, an old western stand off before battle was great. These elements are forgotten in story telling because now all people want to see is the *bam* your dead, ok next guy here I come.

Drawn out drama is what’s so great about it. You guys are just spoiled by a fast progression of story telling that honestly makes less since then why they did a mexican stand off.

@109

I don’t think i’d go as far as to call that a ‘problem’, people are entitled to have various approaches to videogames.

all of the similar jrpgs did it the same way, be it Xg or FF7 or FF8, Xenogears was the most srs bsns one, but it’s plot also had plenty of stuff aside from Will to Power or the concept of Id. anyway if you ever read that you would see that the references to psychoanalysis are present and totally transparent in many of them.

I never said that MGS is done the ‘wrong’ way as some guys percieve it, it’s an awesome game for one type of audience.

@Daman You said

I never said that MGS is done the ‘wrong’ way as some guys perceive it, it’s an awesome game for one type of audience.

Thank u for stating my thoughts.

I am no big stealth fan having tried Tom Clancy and others.
So I get MGS4 to try it.
Good game but cumbersome controls and not enough to hold my attention.
Cut scenes were way to many imo but there you go.
Enjoy but dont hype up games that were no more than average…

too much pseudo intelectuality in here.Get real.Nerds enjoy them for what they are ,GAMES.

Smh.. its not an average game when following a series. Its apart of a collection, if you only played 2 1 and 4 and then think you understand why the game is done that way your fooling yourself. Anything a fan follows is in series and me only playing the last installment then judging the entire series gives me a very linear view of what is going on. Mgs4 as it was in my opinion perfect as it is to the close out of snakes series. It was just like a movie with gameplay options.

Nothing about the game was average to me especially for the time it was released.

funny to see people saying ‘too much pseudo intellectuality, enjoy the games’ when the whole point is about dropping those pseudo intellectual drawn out scenes and go for the gameplay, or try to incorporate some actually decent stories, and some actually decent storytelling. comedy gold.

I for one will be enjoying Thief when that comes out. thx.

The thing is many people here are much worse than MGS story.So they can’t have an opinion over it

it’s good to have an objective view of yourself.

Tsk* how about this for now on. People that appreciate a quality of a game spill their hearts out about it. And those who don’t keep it to themselves. This was never a competition to why someone has to prove the quality or defend what they like. This was a discussion on a future game in a franchise that some people are really looking forward to. When a theif article comes out post about everything you love on the game. And, hopefully others will shut up on what they hate and the discussion boards can stay on topic. As for now…..

NEW METAL GEAR FTW!

If you don’t like it keep it to yourself and write it in your journal

You said it Lex,let all the others whine all they want.

well, you took the Thief part out of context, lex.

anyway.. it would be better if lexp3re would also do the same.. too much commenting on things you dislike, and too much pointing fingers. seriously, go play some Uncharted with it’s authentic combat

“And those who don’t keep it to themselves.”

Or how about people express their personal preferences, positive or negative?

What is this? Kindergarten?

“And, hopefully others will shut up on what they hate and the discussion boards can stay on topic. As for now…”

Or maybe they should post their opinion, good or bad, as long as its a properly researched and well thought out argument on the subject.

here goes.Let’s bitch on another Sony related game.Pathetic

Well considering I haven’t seen many well thought out arguements. But, justifications of opinions, in which daman has accussed me of as well, its pretty hard to maintain a legit discussion.

Every thing each person that has bashed metal gear for in here was from a personal preference stand point of 2 maybe 3 games (which for them is fact) but, for the ones who. Defend it are speaking on the series 1-8.

At this point, new metal gear game=win
New tomb raider=win
New anything for whoever likes it =win

no, that wasn’t a dig at the game, he knows what i mean. if we had private messages i’d sent that that way. not to mention all the anti Ninty threads.

anyway, I actually haven’t said anything on a MG game for almost a year i think.

but anyway though, what’s your idea of an argument, lex? anything that is related to games aren’t scientific facts. it goes either way then. no matter how much you defend something, it’s always a preference.

I’d say this one is quite valid:
http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/13/kojima-productions-hiring-staff-for-next-generation-metal-gear-solid-series/comment-page-2/#comment-246292

and I did like the old MSX Metal Gear games btw.

also no need to type TR win, MG win.. I was just pointing out some inconsistences in that post of yours. you’re okay, lex.

Honestly I hate arguing. I was always debating in my in my younger. Years. And now I’m exhausted. The thing that draws me back in is. When things are no longer balanced. And, super bashing. Begins.

I have my moments in that. But, I tend to catch myself sometimes I don’t

You see why METAL GEAR SOLID and HIDEO KOJIMA are simply THE BEST in videogame world/industry because; haters, lovers, simple observers… Everybody takes enough time to comment and say things about the game, bad or good things… Mostly shamefully pointless bad things and obvious, relevant good things… So: Metal Gear Solid = Victory all the way.

I agree with O’Connor.

It’s high time people realise the difference between actual complex plotlines and games whose convoluted narratives attempt to masquerade themselves as such.

horses for courses and all that.
Still gotta finish it myself.