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Kojima Productions hiring staff for “Next Generation Metal Gear Solid Series”

Thursday, 13 January 2011 15:42 GMT By Johnny Cullen

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Konami’s posted up a job listing page for Kojima Productions, looking for staff on the “next generation Metal Gear Solid series”.

The jobs listed include general planners, level designers, scripters and more, just to name a few.

Sign up here. That’s if you can read Japanese.

Kojima Productions is currently working on Metal Gear Solid: Rising for PS3, 360 and PC. It’s thought its next project afterwards will be either Zone of the Enders 3 or Metal Gear Solid 5.

Hideo Kojima has said he would like to show his new game by TGS in September.

Thanks, Andriasang.

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130 Comments

  1. Erthazus

    FUCK YES! DO IT!

    DO IT!

    #1 4 years ago
  2. themadjock

    HOLY SHIT! :)

    Surely it can’t and shouldn’t involve Snake unless it is another prequel title

    #2 4 years ago
  3. AHA-Lambda

    Come on now you should have just stopped at 4 =/

    PS: ZOE 3!!!!

    #3 4 years ago
  4. Johnny Cullen

    *sigh* I actually wonder if I’ll ever get to see, let alone play, ZoE3.

    #4 4 years ago
  5. CaptPierce

    If it is a new MGS, don’t have Solid Snake in it. Set it up in the same universe, but with like completely new characters. People that live in by the actions Snake and his comrades have done. That’d be pretty nice.

    #5 4 years ago
  6. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    I still say they can tide us all over with an HD/MGS4 graphical style remake of original NES Metal Gear. Drop the Solid for awhile.

    #6 4 years ago
  7. spiderLAW

    CaptPierce basically.

    Or also, more prequels to include Snake.
    But i like the idea of future games having The characters based around the same universe where Snake is mentioned as the foundation of the main character’s existence in the story arch. Maybe Snake making cameo’s and what not.

    #7 4 years ago
  8. Bond James Bond

    Fuck me, sigh. More MGS. Give it up Kojima.

    //I also blame the retards that keep buying these mediocre games.

    #8 4 years ago
  9. Razor

    What….what generation are they talking about here?

    #9 4 years ago
  10. theevilaires

    LMAO the article pic is of MGS4 a 2008 game which no 360 game released to this day can match graphically.

    More MGS is welcomed but Kojima be careful. You’ve seen how a great series like Final Fantasy went down the toilet with the decision of roads they chose to take. Don’t make the same mistakes if you know what I mean. MGS loyalist/die hard fans are there and they will buy this game no matter what.

    #10 4 years ago
  11. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    Leave it to TEA to flame the 360 vs PS3 console war fire…..c’mon TEA…….you’re better than that…lol ;)

    #11 4 years ago
  12. triggerhappy686

    @ Dr.Ghettoblaster

    i definitely agree with a remake of the first 2, im surprised people dont ask for this more. I would love to see a remake of 1 and 2 together in the same game, playing as Big boss (Naked Snake) for the first half and Solid Snake for the last half, with 2 huge Snake vs Snake boss fights.
    *DROOLS ON KEYBOARD*

    #12 4 years ago
  13. Gheritt White

    Jesus – the difference in GFX abilities is *so* slight this gen it’s barely noticeable. Seriously, this is the truth! It’s nothing like the *huge* differences in the PS2/GameCube/Xbox or PS1/Saturn/N64. I mean, Mass Effect 2 or Alan Wake are pretty games. So are Uncharted 2 and MGS4. Only platform fanboys give a shit about which looks “better”, ‘cos they all loook friggin’ GREAT. I mean, none of us have to put up with this anymore, or even this.

    Most every time I hear somebody whining about modern GFX, they come across like an 8th gen n00b. Is it okay to say this yet?

    #13 4 years ago
  14. spiderLAW

    @8
    You are a big ray of sunshine today arent you? You love to bitch and moan a lot which makes me think that you are one happy-go-lucky individual.

    Anyways man. There is nothing mediocre about MG, MGS1, MGS2, MGS3, MGS4, and MGS Peace Walker. All mentioned games are phenomenal and influential.

    Only mediocre MGS games are VR mission, Portable Ops +,
    and MGS Ac!D

    #14 4 years ago
  15. theevilaires

    Dr.G I’m only complimenting Kojimas masterful work. When this guy makes a MGS game they can last an entire gen without the graphics being considered out dated really. Makes me wanna fire up MGS4 in 3D now…..just wish it had trophies :(

    #15 4 years ago
  16. theevilaires

    @ 14 my first comment in the article was actually guided towards him….hes a known XBOT of the site and he’s been bitching like his ass hole just caught the RROD :D wonder why no one else catches on to those things on this site…..too busy trying to 1up me I guess ;)

    #16 4 years ago
  17. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    I know TEA, I’m totally just giving you a hard time – you know I love ya and usually back ya!

    So, WHEN the hell are we gonna hear about the INEVITABLE Metal Gear (Solid?) HD remake collection?!!?!?!?!?

    #17 4 years ago
  18. spiderLAW

    wait, MGS4 is 3D compatible?
    Im planning on playing some MGS4 today myself.

    #18 4 years ago
  19. spiderLAW

    @16 I figured thats who it was for.
    Ive noticed his hate for Sony.

    @17
    If and When that releases i will be Jizzing all over.

    #19 4 years ago
  20. theevilaires

    @ Dr.G OMG and you know that shits coming LMAO. Its going to be nuclear MGS2 and 3 in HD with trophies :D …..can you say close the gap and over surpass 10 times really fast.

    @ Spider…no its not really native, but you can make an average 2D image appear 3D on 3D tvs. its not the best like a native game such as Motorstorm but it works well. the tech was well though out I have to say before bringing to mass market. You make any image 3D on a 3D tv.

    #20 4 years ago
  21. Gheritt White

    EVERYBODY IS IGNORING ME! Fuck you, you’re all cunts.

    Am gon cry nao… ;_;

    #21 4 years ago
  22. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    @19 it HAS to be in the works. I don’t know HOW or WHY Sony (or any other company) would pass on hopping on this HD remake Collection profit bandwagon with one of the Greatest Playstation series of all time.

    GOW HD Collection
    Sly HD Collection
    ICO/SOTC HD Collection
    Prince of Persia HD Collection
    Splinter Cell HD Collection
    Tomr Raider HD Collection
    Mortal Kombat HD Collection
    *Metal Gear Solid HD Collection (it just fits SO perfectly!!)

    #22 4 years ago
  23. DaMan

    great, more mediocre plots, drawn out cut-scenes, poorly written dialogue and PSX era gameplay.

    #23 4 years ago
  24. triggerhappy686

    @ 22 it MUST be in the works, for Konami this should be a no-brainer. I just wonder if they will implement the 3d camera from 4 and 3 sub into 2… and if they will give us Twin Snakes for MGS1…. I quite fancy a Silent Hill HD Collection too :) Konami just love to grab our money so they have to be cooking something up ;)

    #24 4 years ago
  25. spiderLAW

    Mediocre plots, “Drawn Out” cut scenes, poorly written dialogue?

    You just named all that MGS is famous for doing right. Pity your feeble mind cant comprehend the complexity of the MGS story arch.
    All i know is, at the end of MGS4, i felt that i had just finished a long Journey with Snake. When it came to the closing, and Snake went off to die alone i started to tear up, then when i found out he was going to able to finish his life normally, i was tearing even more. I need to get off work now so i can go play!!!!!

    #25 4 years ago
  26. triggerhappy686

    ^^ even the opening title scene where Snakes standing at the grave wondering whether or not to blow his own brains out got me a bit teared up. And the music… just top knotch

    #26 4 years ago
  27. theevilaires

    @25 and 26 +100 guys (share 50/50 ok) :D I guess DaMan is still waiting for that 360 port :D

    #27 4 years ago
  28. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    Who agrees, Rising is actually looking pretty good so far eh? Better than I expected at least.

    #28 4 years ago
  29. triggerhappy686

    @ 27 LOL OK agreed ;)

    @ 28 Im quite pumped for Rising, not much of a Raiden fan but im looking forward to sneaking about shooting guards in the head with a silent pistol, sword plays looking quite good too

    #29 4 years ago
  30. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    @12. Totally man. Kind of like the Resident Evil Game Cube remake. That (in my opinion) is now the superior version!

    #30 4 years ago
  31. DaMan

    I wish I had a feeble mind, then i could probably have fun calling people across the Atlantic names because of my favourite toys.

    #31 4 years ago
  32. themadjock

    @25 My girlfriend still takes the piss out of me for crying at the end….

    No stupid comments saying “is that cos it woz shit” because MGS4 is an awesome game with an incredible story line

    #32 4 years ago
  33. triggerhappy686

    @ 30 Resi REmake and Resi Zero are both totally playable on Dolpin Emulator ;) they look quite good at 720p. And yeh REmake is farrrrr superior

    #33 4 years ago
  34. adame_bikar

    Please a remake of NES metal gear or sth like that.I want the young solid snake back.and please PS3 exclusive(exclusives are always better).

    #34 4 years ago
  35. theevilaires

    Yes MGS5 as the first MGS from NES

    #35 4 years ago
  36. spiderLAW

    @31
    Hmmm… i think you attempted 2 birds with one stone.
    But still, not very clever.
    And just calling it as i see DaMan. I have backed you in some cases, but this one, your opinion lacks merit.

    #36 4 years ago
  37. spiderLAW

    @28 I was excited. Then the demo they showed of sword slicing and running through murdering people kinda lossed me. I just dont see the depth in it like usual with MGS titles. However, my mind is still open for it possibly being great. I didnt like feeling alienated when having to play as raiden in MGS2 but i like him as a character, he’s pretty cool.

    #37 4 years ago
  38. monkeygourmet

    So this is for the Next Gen Xbox / Playstation & PC? Or the current gen? I thought Rising is out in 2012? Surely they’ll be a new console announcement next year, the PC will be so far ahead graphically by then, i mean the xbox will be collecting it’s pension!

    #38 4 years ago
  39. Bond James Bond

    @14

    The MGS IP excites me as much as dipping my balls in boiling water.

    @16

    Xbot? theevilaires, bright as a blackout as usual…

    #39 4 years ago
  40. DaMan

    @36 what’s your point? didn’t know I had to rely on some backup. I believe it’s not mine that does, on the contrary, now that you want to go there I’d say you lack taste.

    #40 4 years ago
  41. spiderLAW

    @40
    My point was the idea of fairness. Rude of you to dismiss my professionalism with such a poor attitude.
    And yes, your opinion does lack merit. Can you elaborate as to why you consider what you said a solid statement of “Good” taste? If not, I’ll just except it as “your” opinion. Just a shame you dont know how to enjoy something as art filled, colorful, and complex as MGS.

    #41 4 years ago
  42. osric90

    Man I wish I knew Japanese to try applying as a scripter. Anyway, if it’s NEVER done outside of Japan, the Metal Gear Solid franchise should keep being all about quality, but like most of you, I think Rising should be the LAST GAME EVER if they don’t plan to do a Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake remake using a next-gen engine with all goodies MGS4 gave us (and MGS Rising hopefully will)… And, of course, the most desired Metal Gear Solid Essentials HD Collection featuring Metal Gear Solid from 1998 and not the shitty Twin Snakes remake.

    #42 4 years ago
  43. spiderLAW

    @39
    Have you tried that yet? i heard its quite exhilarating. Try it out and let me know how that goes.

    #43 4 years ago
  44. spiderLAW

    @42
    I still dont understand what was so shitty about Twin Snakes?
    I do prefer the original, dont get me wrong, but i still dont understand the hatred for it.

    I liked how they showed Solid Snake being more of a bad ass in Twin Snakes.

    #44 4 years ago
  45. theevilaires

    Yea but there was too much MGS/Martix stuff man :D Way too much.

    http://www.gametrailers.com/video/part-two-metal-gear/34187

    and the voice overs were not the same as the original on PSX. Certain SNAAAAAAAAAAAAKE death calls were all wrong. even the first convo with Mei Ling was off like a mother fucker.

    #45 4 years ago
  46. lexph3re

    Vg I hate you for not posting my shrewling pass out!

    The next metal gear should be based on a suspended animated snake and the infiltration of the c.I.a for the documents on les efant terribles to reverse the effects of aging on solid snake or atleast so he could reproduce. It could be alternating gameplay of akiba, raiden, and meryl with a new character. And, maybe otacon supporting raiden. Meryle supporting raiden and the new character just someone from snakes past trying to make ammends

    #46 4 years ago
  47. DaMan

    @41 is that so? then I believe your idea has one, albeit critical flaw: it was you who ‘ve dismissed my original ‘opinion’ from the start, chose to insult the intelligence of a person with different view, and then say it is rude of me to describe your taste. i believe if anyone is ‘unfair’ here, it’s not me.

    good taste would be something a tad bit less banal, tad bit less pretentious, and more deep, more well written, and well directed, not to mention more fun. art, really? have you seen No Country for Old Men or The Man who wasn’t There?

    edit: and professionalism? insulted? i don’t think I ever commented on your Maya skills or something.

    #47 4 years ago
  48. Michael O’Connor

    @11 Leave it to TEA to consider MGS4 a staple of graphics syandards.

    In the first area (and cutscene) alone, the texture resolution of your surroundings is abysmal, and made even worse by the lack of visual effects, which makes the game and it’s location look lifeless and plastic.

    As for the game itself, we *really* don’t need more of this dreadful storytelling and archaic gameplay (what little there ever is) again.

    #48 4 years ago
  49. spiderLAW

    @47
    you are right. My fault. I was so quick to defend my favorite franchise and character that i forgot my manners. But it’s a common occurrence for people to dismiss MGS simply for its complex story, for the fact that they cannot understand the plot without somebody spelling it out for them. Simple, feeble, lazy minds.
    And it was more Bond who irritated me.
    But again, sorry mang.

    No I haven’t seen those movies.

    Yes, MGS is very artistic and has influenced story telling in games today. Somebody denying that fact because he/she doesn’t like the plot is really not a subject of opinion but more a whimper from not knowing any better.

    #49 4 years ago
  50. spiderLAW

    @48
    Hahaha i was waiting for you, you are never too far off.
    Not talking shit, just knew it was coming lol.

    #50 4 years ago
  51. DaMan

    … allright, I see.

    I don’t think one could say it exactly influenced storytelling in games though, because it merely went the cinematic way, the PSX mgs was one of the first games to employ that though, i think it would be fair to say that it helped make the approach popular.

    #51 4 years ago
  52. Michael O’Connor

    MGS is not complex. It’s convoluted. There’s a difference.

    I understand every inch of MGS’s story from the first Metal Gear to MGS4, and there is little deep about it. You are mixing up rampantly complicated stories for any actual depth.

    MGS might have gotten away with if it didn’t spend half its time ramming its message down your throat. It treats its viewers like they are braindead simpletons too stupid to figure the message out for themselvrs.

    In fact, the Metal Gear franchise breaks the very first rule of good storytelling *all* the time – show, don’t tell. That alone makes it a bad story.

    #52 4 years ago
  53. AHA-Lambda

    /\ basically this. I LOVE mgs but o’connor is right. The actual quality of the writing is completely shocking.

    #53 4 years ago
  54. mattrobbo670

    i hope there is a port of MGS peace walker for psp2

    #54 4 years ago
  55. lexph3re

    Lol o’connor generally I’m 50/50 with your thoughts but by the way your speaking of the franchise I would think you were talking about a completely different game. You really come off as one of those movie reviewing douchebags that act like the bases of story telling is linear and in fine print. Not noticing that story telling has vast methods of directions to take. And because, its at times apparent what the story teller is trying to establish it doesn’t mean the execution wasn’t great for that method.

    #55 4 years ago
  56. hitnrun

    For my money, the Metal Gear series jumped the shark at the exact second Ocelot’s hand started to talk.

    Think about it. The first MGS was high or atop most “Greatest Game Ever” lists. You had just finished a tanker level with Snake that was far and away the best complete gaming experience to date (2000). The mission – and the incredible CGI with Ocelot – didn’t seem ridiculous yet because you hadn’t played the rest of the game. Snake confronts Ocelot, and then…Liquid’s hand started to talk. It was never the same.

    #56 4 years ago
  57. theevilaires

    O’Connor STFU you brainless fuckwad troll. I said it looks better than any 360 game released so far. Why do you have to come in every comment section and fuck up good discussion. Why are you not own your own damn site trying to raise funds for girlfriend geohot to get a decent lawyer.

    The Metal Gear series has won countless awards for everything from graphics to writing. You just want attention so please fuck off. MGS has always been amongst the top best games list “EVER MADE” douchebag and nothing will change that.

    #57 4 years ago
  58. spiderLAW

    Mike, i agree with Lex on this one.

    And not only that, I mean, you were the one pointing fingers at me for speaking of Bayonetta’s absurdity. Telling me to enjoy it for what it is….same thing dude.

    #58 4 years ago
  59. lexph3re

    Actually I didn’t mind the hand taken over ocelot. It was showing how the nano machine and genetics of a clone could potential fight and attempt to reanimate in the host body. To me that was a great scene, and to see in 4 how ocelot pretty much established even ground with his posession. It was like a man claiming control over a devil that jumped in him then proceeded to wield said devils powers.

    #59 4 years ago
  60. theevilaires

    lexph3re said: You really come off as one of those movie reviewing douchebags that act like the bases of story telling is linear and in fine print.

    O’Connor thinks he’s GOD gift to gaming. O’Connor you jackass you’re not! Just because you go to Halo over night release with the other 3 hobbit friends of yours and stand in the cold reminiscing about super mario doesn’t make you the voice of the gaming community retard. You think you’re so smart don’t you because you talk to a couple game devs at these game conventions.

    #60 4 years ago
  61. theevilaires

    spiderLAW said: Mike, i agree with Lex on this one.

    And not only that, I mean, you were the one pointing fingers at me for speaking of Bayonetta’s absurdity. Telling me to enjoy it for what it is….same thing dude.

    Thats what he does. The O in his name stands for O shut the fuck up already. But he can’t! he has to troll and be the site biggest hypocrite I have even seen. I don’t know whose worst him or Bowden but having the name Michael must make you an automatic doucebag.

    #61 4 years ago
  62. lexph3re

    Shame.. micheal is one of my favorite names…. smh

    #62 4 years ago
  63. Gheritt White

    FSS SAKE! Ocelot gets possessed by Liquid Snake after a fucking arm transplant! How the hell is that good writing? Come on!

    #63 4 years ago
  64. lexph3re

    nano machines of rewriting ocelots dna. Do you know anything about nano tech? No? So its a great way to incorporate liquid back into the story

    #64 4 years ago
  65. OlderGamer

    “MGS is not complex. It’s convoluted. There’s some difference.

    I understand every inch of MGS’s story from the first Metal Gear to MGS4, and there is little deep about it. You are mixing up rampantly complicated stories for any actual depth.

    MGS might have gotten away with if it didn’t spend half its time ramming its message down your throat. It treats its viewers like they are braindead simpletons too stupid to figure the message out for themselvrs.

    In fact, the Metal Gear franchise breaks the very first rule of good storytelling *all* the time – show, don’t tell. That alone makes it a bad story.”

    Spot on 100%.

    It is unfortunate that so many games do it like that.

    #65 4 years ago
  66. Callum

    @66 +1

    ” show, don’t tell ” <– learn this! Please! Developers!

    *On a side note, I actually think a well placed cut-scene purely for pacing reasons can be a beautiful thing*

    #66 4 years ago
  67. Gheritt White

    @64: How would that account for Liquid’s personality/memories? Do YOU know *anything* about DNA?

    Come on, that was a hack writing job and you know it!

    #67 4 years ago
  68. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    lexph3re said to Michael O’Connor:
    “You really come off as one of those movie reviewing douchebags…”

    Yeah, most of the time lol. But the man does have some valid points.

    #68 4 years ago
  69. lexph3re

    That’s the thing that was beautiful about the time of the stories telling. Because, nano tech was more a theory as opposed to a benchmark reality you could let your imagination go and make the posibilities endless. Like how dr. Kaku professes now is in the future technology will be able to rewrite dna in a matter of seconds because of the incorporation of man and machine. Although I view it as theoretical banter it is still entertaining to the thoughts of what can we achieve with technology.

    Kojima already was there and as you see he wrote out a function for nano tech in HIS story. Not yours for the record. And, in HIS story nano techs are able to rewrite the mind and body. His reason in point for why vamp was able to live through fatal wounds. Because, his natural ability was amplified by the nano machines in his body. The funny thing is nobody realises metal gear is more about nano technology then anything else you all bitch about

    #69 4 years ago
  70. spiderLAW

    @67
    Actually, in MGS2 it is blamed as being from the transplant of the arm but its not actually how it worked. You see, if you knew MGS story, you would know that Ocelot had himself put into a program to make himself into Liquid. In order to confuse his mind, he needed a tool to do so. The arm became that tool. Once his personality completely switched to mimic that of Liquids, he removed the arm and replaced it with the cybernetic arm. Anyways dude. MGS is awesome!

    #70 4 years ago
  71. lexph3re

    ^ yup! Do to psycho therapy and nano tech the transplant was a success.

    #71 4 years ago
  72. YoungZer0

    This is a hardened MGS Fan talking here. So, i recently finished MGS4 again. And oh dear god … I don’t think i could take another Metal Gear Solid. Seriously, MGS4 … was not good. Most of the time it was trying to fix what Hideo fucked up in MGS2. And how did it explain Ocelot being possessed by Liquid? Nanomachines. How come Vampy can’t die? Nanomachines.

    And while it tried to repair the damage it did with MGS 2, it somehow got messier. Meryl marrying? Robo-Raiden’s all fixed up after Psycho Rose fucked up his trust even further? Awkward family reunion galore? Big Boss still alive and kicking?

    And all of the characters were acting absolutely abnormal. And when i say abnormal, i mean Japanese. I’m not being racist here, but when your characters are supposed to be American/European, don’t let Japanese people do the motion capture. Their Body language is absolutely unusual for Europeans/Americans. This is why i kind of liked MGS 2 even more. It was a good game. I just wish Hideo would have an editor, who crosses off all stuff that’s just fucking stupid.

    Oh and MGS2 was also a better Game. Why? Because it had a GAME PART. Seriously. Try skipping all the cutscenes in MGS4. There is not much GAME left in this GAME. 9 hours of awkward cutscenes.

    Nearly ever scene a character turned with his back to another, stared into the nothingness and talked some melancholic shit. “I don’t love you any more Snake.” “I’m just an old Killer.”

    It’s not all bad though. Like with most MGS Games, i liked the little details. Like when i started killing all motherfuckers on the screen and suddenly could hear Liquids voice in my head. “You enjoy the killing, that’s why.” And Snake started puking.

    So my question is: Are the PSP games good?

    #72 4 years ago
  73. theevilaires

    OMG thank you spider these fools know nothing. It was hypnosis, that stuff works. Ever see a person who smoked for 30+ years get hypnotized to stop. It works I know many people who have had it done.

    #73 4 years ago
  74. Callum

    @73 I got told I could never be hypnotised :(

    This guy got like 30 of us onto the stage and looked into all of our eyes one at a time, about 25 of us sat down and 5 were left on stage. He proceeded to make fools out of them.

    Off topic, but still.

    #74 4 years ago
  75. lexph3re

    Mgs4 was the wrap up zero, and nano machines were the bases since 1 and 2. It was a tech that established the control that the patriots(zero) was looking to achieve. And also remember that this was pmc(private military corp) they weren’t just american and meryl and her team were definetly american. Also, don’t talk about “authentic” gestures. People who travel the world all the time pick up different things from every culture. So, to say that should act more gung ho! American would’ve killed the characters diversity and ability to adapt.

    Now, in metal gear solid 2 they built ontop of the nano theory that start with fox die. Remember codec is also a form of nano technology. Cyborg ninja/frank jaguer had nano tech in him because he was the original test dumbey. Everything about metal gear was nano tech so It only makes since to wrap it up at nano tech. And, the big boss rebuild was a ghost in the shell concept where you could continue to live as data in a cyber space. His body was a recasting of liquid and solidus snakes body as well as being revived and downloaded into the body via nano tech.

    The psp games are also very good portable ops explains big bosses meeting with col. Cam and frank it takes place 10years after 3. Peacewalker is hard to place its suppose to take I think 15years after 3. And right before metal gear 1. Portable + is just a versus game. And acid is well……. its acid….

    #75 4 years ago
  76. OrbitMonkey

    This is what the next MGS should be about :)

    http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldk8qfqzVJ1qao12mo1_500.jpg

    #76 4 years ago
  77. theevilaires

    I have to agree with YoungZero on many points though he is spot on with what he is saying but MGS as a series is still my favorite and one of the industries best gaming franchises.

    #77 4 years ago
  78. spiderLAW

    Basically What Lex said.

    Also let me clarify this. MGS story has always been about nano machines and changing mankind with them. To uniform the world under one mind, The Patriots computer.

    Solid Snake’s story has always been about not allowing that to happen. He fought for humans to have free will and to live as individuals.
    Thats exactly why the ending is so sad. In the end, he wins, the world’s champion. This Hero, is falling apart and has lived his life serving the people and the general masses will never know he existed. Then it gets even more emotional as you find out he gets to live the rest of his life normally and FINALLY gets to live for himself.

    I’ll be beating MGS4 for my 6th time as soon as i get off work. Should finish by tomorrow.

    #78 4 years ago
  79. lexph3re

    Dude, I’m a grown ass man and have a hard time not crying at the pain they depicted snake going through! GET UP SNAKE! YOU CAN DO IT! I’m pressing TRIANGLE AS FAST AS I CAN! GTF UP! SNAKE….? SNAKEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

    #79 4 years ago
  80. YoungZer0

    @75:

    Wow your extreme level of ignorance just killed a kitten.

    So how do you explain that characters like Otacon, Snake, Meryl, Raiden and other never behaved Japanese before? If they picked up different gestures, why is their body language only japanese? They fucked that up. Don’t try to see some sense in it, because there isn’t any. They should have hired non-japanese actors. Period.

    I’m not saying i don’t like the whole Nanomachine thing, but it got really ridiculous. Every line from Naomi started with “The Nanomachines …”

    Everytime something extreme happened it were the Nanomachines. It’s a simple Plotdevice. It’s basically Magic.

    Also, Naomi’s death was absolutely stupid and left me emotionless. What a dumb bitch. Would’ve loved to ram that fucking syringe into her face, over and over again.

    I don’t care much about the content of the story of the PSP Games. All i want is less cutscenes, more gameplay. Do i get that?

    #80 4 years ago
  81. Rosseu

    I take it you hate FF13 too

    #81 4 years ago
  82. spiderLAW

    @80. Somewhat in portable ops. In peace walker, more cutscenes than gameplay probably.

    #82 4 years ago
  83. lexph3re

    Seriously, you stating my ignorance for motion capture gestures is a little extreme. Considering the vast majority of the audience watching would never notice even a little of the cultural reference installed in the game as an issue. Hmm let’s look back. Snake and liquid are both half jap. Mei ling is chinese, meryl is unconfirmed. Raiden is bat shit crazy into japanese culture. Seems like a lot of cultural intefration to me.

    Does that mean everything should have american/euro/latin/eskimo/phillipino/or brazilian? That’s overdoing it for my taste. But, if its that big an issue then write a email. As, for naomi hell why wouldn’t she brag about the ground breaking tech she Invented? Wouldn’t you brag to everyone if you actually were capable of pleasing a woman?

    And, gameplay is the heart of the psp’s but it takes getting use to the controls

    Edit: oh yeah kitten are adorable creatures how dare you bring them into this!!!!

    #83 4 years ago
  84. spiderLAW

    @Lex
    Theres no point in arguing with YoungZero. Thats why i didnt comment on his comments. I’ve been down that road with him and quickly learned that he doesnt like people disagreeing with him. His opinions are indeed fact.

    #84 4 years ago
  85. YoungZer0

    @83: Neither Snake nor Liquid are “half-japanese”. Since behavior isn’t instinctive but learnable, their faceless japanese mom was never an issue.

    Snake was raised in America. Liquid in England. This is where you learn body language and behavior. Not where you’re born, but where you’re raised. They never spend time in Japan. Mei Ling is indeed Chinese. Chinese have a different Body Language. Don’t throw Asians into the same pot. Meryl is confirmed to be American. And no, Raiden is not bat shit crazy into japanese culture. At. All.

    They used Japanese Motion Actors. It shows. Americans/Europeans don’t behave like that. Period.

    As for Naomi. She never bragged. I never said that. She just keeps talking and talking and talking. Every explanation to everything that happens in MGS is about Nanomachines. It’s fucking lame.

    @84: I know, i know, you just don’t like talking to people. Instead you enter a topic, give your 2 cents and then you’re pissed when someone’s actually trying to have a discussion.

    #85 4 years ago
  86. Michael O’Connor

    MGS’s gameplay has a weird sort of appeal (though it’s horribly outdated at this point) but the story, writing, pacing, and everything else about it is garbage.

    Returning to the issue of MGS using bad storytelling devices, the whole nano-machinery thing is nothing more than a contrived deus ex machina.

    It’s nothing a convenient plot device that allow the story to escape any sort of reasonable structure or direction in order to assist the writer in sending the story wherever he wants it to go.

    Character back from the dead? Nanomachines!
    Being posessed by another person? Nanomachines!
    Ability to survive something? Nanomachines!

    The possessed thing was is especially ridiculous.

    @55 It’s called “critical thinking”. It involves looking at something and actually judging it based on an objective view of quality.

    Most people are incapable of it.

    @61 “And not only that, I mean, you were the one pointing fingers at me for speaking of Bayonetta’s absurdity. Telling me to enjoy it for what it is….same thing dude.”

    Bayonetta is meant to be absurd and ridiculous. Bayonetta doesn’t claim to have some deep, meaningful messages about the futility of war, the ideals behind patriotism, passing on your memories, etc. etc.

    Metal Gear Solid tries to be serious, but it’s so badly written and but it’s drowned in so much crap that most people with even a modicum of literary education view it as a complete joke.

    “You think you’re so smart don’t you because you talk to a couple game devs at these game conventions.”

    It’s not hard to feel smart considering most of the people I have here to compare myself to. It’s a bit like comparing Shakespeare to Stephenie Meyer.

    Hint: You’re the latter.

    #86 4 years ago
  87. YoungZer0

    Ugh. That’s not a nice thing to say.

    #87 4 years ago
  88. spiderLAW

    @85
    Quite wrong there young blood.
    quite wrong.
    Try looking through this article’s comments for perfect example.
    The problem with you is you like to make your case and then when somebody disagrees with you its straight to bashing and name calling till they finally quit after seeing that you lack the basic skills of holding a mature discussion. But whatever mang. People surprise me everyday so maybe i was surprised then, or maybe the true you can hold a mature discussion thus leaving me surprised now. Whichever.

    Mike, Mike, Mike. Please dont waste your time comparing yourself with others here. We all know you are a GOD. Its cool bro. We maroons and retards know this, no point in trying to prove it.

    #88 4 years ago
  89. Michael O’Connor

    @85 Don’t you love it when people’s only defence against your argument is to criticise you instead of actually discussing the points being made? It’s funny to watch.

    @88 I wasn’t actually referring to you. I actually think you’re pretty alright. It’s was the likes of TEA, itsucks, and lolshocks that that was aimed at.

    #89 4 years ago
  90. lexph3re

    Snake was raised in the C.I.A not america. He wasn’t fostered into any american household he was raised as a weapon of war. Liquids background is also shakey because he was technically discarded. It doesn’t confirm him being either raised in a english home nor a government base.

    Now, seeing how their body language is void of social interaction outside of the battlefield the only influence you would see on them would be vocally. The quality factor you are looking for requires truely extensive knowledge on a persons everyday lively hood. And the only thing we know is that snake was born on the battlefield. Meaning his life was centered on death. Not a cozy home.

    Raiden is batshit crazy over japanese culture hints coming from his method of fighting and his tact of scouting. As were vamp you can take it he has russian training from his style of fighting. My pointing out mei lings chinese ethnicity to show again different manorisims used in motion capture where she acted more like someone outside of japanese body gestures.

    Also, body language very widely and can be tacted to anyone. Where I was born in the ghetto with impoverished african americans. My body language speaks more like a caucasian in the suburbs. So, it doesn’t have to be as “authentic” as you say.

    Gee whiz a story about nano machines talkings about nano machines. Whatever will I do?! Come on dude its like you want a story about burgers to explain the eating habits of a vegetarian.

    #90 4 years ago
  91. mathare92

    Ah, what would an MGS news post be without a long argument about the “convoluted”/”exemplary” storyline.

    I for one dig the over the top storytelling. Sure, it’s not very intelligible or succinct, but it just makes the series more unique in my view.

    That said, I don’t think it’d be a wise decision (creatively) for Kojima to keep on making more Metal Gear titles.

    #91 4 years ago
  92. mathare92

    @86 “It’s called “critical thinking”. It involves looking at something and actually judging it based on an objective view of quality.

    Most people are incapable of it.”

    Sounds a tad elitist, don’t you think?

    #92 4 years ago
  93. lexph3re

    And mike every scienetist knows that the difference between technology and magic is practically one in the same. Magic only being something that was unexplainable to being explained then labeled SCIENCE! And, easy reference to a scientist that said it himself would be Dr. Michio Kaku. I’m also 50/50 with that mans opinions but admire his dedication to his imagination while trying to stay logical.

    And, if you hate the method of story telling then write your own story. Make a game, share it with us and STOP YOUR BITCHIN!

    #93 4 years ago
  94. Michael O’Connor

    @92 Totally. Doesn’t stop it from being true though.

    @93 I do not need to publish a story in a video game to be able to critically observe what a bad video game story is.

    Just like I don’t need to draw a picture and have it published in a gallery to know that a child’s doodle isn’t as good as the Mona Lisa.

    Or build a car to know when a car handles poorly when driven, or brew my own alcohol to know what bad beer tastes like, or… well, you get the idea.

    “Make a game, share it with us and STOP YOUR BITCHIN!”

    Only on the internet can someone making a casual observation about their own personal preferences construed as “bitching”. Do you also scream and shout at people offline when they say they don’t like something? I would certainly hope not.

    #94 4 years ago
  95. KL

    Calm down people.MGS doesn’t try to be serious or pass any messages.It’s a fictional story for a blockbuster game and it’s one of the best in the gaming industry.
    It’s like saying Star Wars trying to be Citizen Kain.this isn’t the case.
    Some elitists need to take a chill pill or get layed

    #95 4 years ago
  96. lexph3re

    Lol. Funny guy you are mike. Me telling you to stop your bitching and write your own story is based off of you making these comments like the story telling is bad. Nothing about their execution was bad, you know this because clearly it kept us coming back to know more and more. Do you read childrens books and also make critical opinions on why the story telling was up to par?

    Mgs series has had a very strong story and only thows off the people new to the story. And I realised your problem is you think kojima was trying to be serious and make a point. What the hell is serious about a sniper who is 80-90 and makes his eyes bulge out of his head to amplify his scope sight is serious?lol or for that matter a walking bi-pedal tank? Dude he prided his stories off the fact that it was a clash between reality and fantasy. Never did he attempt to make a call of duty reality of mgs.

    It was a science fiction for petes sake!

    #96 4 years ago
  97. lexph3re

    Omg! Thank you KL!

    #97 4 years ago
  98. KL

    Don’t mention it Lex.You’ll see when the next main installment after Rising releases to every platform they will instantly come around.It’s always like this

    #98 4 years ago
  99. Michael O’Connor

    @96 Very few people continue buying things because of any sort of inherent quality.

    If they did, we wouldn’t have Call of Duty topping the charts every year, or Halo selling as crazy as it does, or shit animes running for 15 years (Pokemon), or bad television shows being renewed for years while top quality writing gets shelved in their first season, or genuinely artistic games flopping all the time.

    Most people prefer to enjoy a very limited scope of experiences, instead of actual diversifying their interests and trying lots of different things. MGS is little more than an otaku nerd’s wet dream.

    I never said it tried to be realistic. I said it tried to be serious. The constant platitudes in each games about the underlining messages of the story prove this.

    Even fantastical ideas don’t have to rely on deus ex machina storytelling devices in order to fill in half their plot holes.

    “It’s like saying Star Wars trying to be Citizen Kain.”

    The problem is that MGS *does* try to be deep and meaningful. It’s splattered all over its stories.

    “Do you read childrens books and also make critical opinions on why the story telling was up to par?”

    The best children’s books are those that not only can a young kid enjoy and learn from, but also have deeper layers that adults can appreciate as well. Which is stuff like Harry Potter, The Chronicles of Narnia and most anything by Roald Dahl are good literature and why Twilight is not.

    #99 4 years ago
  100. Hunam

    Harry Potter is the book equivalent of Halo or CoD. It’s just overhyped nonsense.

    #100 4 years ago
  101. lexph3re

    *BARFS UNCONTROLLABLY* omg you used *barfs* the taboo.*BARFS THEN FARTS* word!

    #101 4 years ago
  102. Michael O’Connor

    @100 This is of course excluding its high quality of writing, its strong character developement, it’s broad lore, its witty and referential naming of things, and the frequent, positive underlying messages in its stories.

    Simply saying it’s overhyped nonsense doesn’t make it overhyped nonsense. Try actually explaining why it is.

    #102 4 years ago
  103. lexph3re

    I can’t argue on these topics of book selections. For, they are taboo in my heart!

    #103 4 years ago
  104. KL

    @99 It’s just the way you see it.
    to make things easier for you it does a little bit but only for this specific medium and for that it does it very well,very few exceptions can do better,thus it remains one of the best.It’s a GAME get over it.

    #104 4 years ago
  105. DaMan

    a little bit? hah.

    completely agreed with Michael O’Connor.

    if ‘MGS doesn’t try to be serious or pass any messages’, how come it has those ridiculously sentimental, overdramatic scenes like the death of Fox in MGS1, or the whole Big Boss melodrama? you folks are either backpedalling, or fail to see what your favourite game is about.. sorry, no two ways about that, it does try to be serious.

    how do you explain that pseudo intelligent, pseudo emotional scene with Sniper Wolf?

    hell, have you ever listened to what Kojima is saying, have you read his comments on the games? ie about the voice actor being touched with the ending of MGS3, and the such?

    it tries, and very hard. it just fails, spectacularly. you ‘re right KL, it succeeds for the ‘specific medium’… it’s akin to those rock groups from 80s, adored by angsty teenagers.

    I didn’t want to sound like a prick, sorry if I offended someone like spider. but that was just ridiculous.

    #105 4 years ago
  106. lexph3re

    Lol daman your not getting the fact that its story telling and a fictional one at that. Kojima likes to make serious moments then wtf moments. He’s said that in several of his interviews. And, its honestly why I like his form of story telling more then anything else. He knows how to get you serious one moment then make you laugh the next. Its just what he does

    #106 4 years ago
  107. Michael O’Connor

    The problem is, those “serious” moments are god awfully written and pretentious as all hell. A character stands there for half an hour, either while dying or before a climatic battle (or sometimes both), and Snake basically just sits around while a dangerous terrorists rambles on about their ideologies instead of simply shooting them in the face.

    Show, don’t tell.
    Show, don’t tell.

    It’s the most basic rule of writing, and they can’t even get that much right.

    I did not need The Boss standing there with her breasts hanging out for half an hour, telling us all about patriotism and blind ideology, for me to understand that that was the story was about.

    A good story doesn’t need a character to ramble on about their beliefs for 10 pages in order to get its point across. The actions of the characters within the story should be enough to do that.

    You people say it’s good writing, but when its pointed out to you why it isn’t, you make up excuses as to why it’s allowed to get away with its shitty ideas, deus ex machinas, and directionless storytelling.

    #107 4 years ago
  108. DaMan

    i like how every time someone criticizes these holy games they get attacked and told ‘you’re not getting it’..

    what does the ‘fictional’ thing have to do with this? I never said that it’s silly in the sense that it’s unrealistic.

    I’ll tell you what.. when I was a teenager, I thought MGS is the epitome of emotional drama. I laughed at the jokes, and I felt sad at those serious moments. it’s a great game for a certain age, never denied that. much like I would argue to death that Xenogears or FF7 or other srs bsns ‘mature’ jrpg were amazing when you’re 15-19, never laughed at that.

    #108 4 years ago
  109. Michael O’Connor

    @108 Xenogears is actually a brilliant example of this problem.

    Spouting off Friedrich Nietzsche’s personal philosophies for 30 hours is not high brown, intelligent storytelling. It’s sign of a lack of inability to express your own ideas to the viewer.

    The fact that the story is centred around a spiky haired teenager and giant robots only further proves this.

    #109 4 years ago
  110. Gheritt White

    IMHO, Portal remains a high point in interactive storytelling. Understated, moving (there’s something deeply tragic [in the Educating Rita sense] about GlaDOS), raises more questions than it answers… top marks.

    BioShock and Assassin’s Creed are both good also, but they both kind of beat you round the head with their plot points (AC less so, but the ending of 2 could’ve been more subtle).

    #110 4 years ago
  111. lexph3re

    Do you know what I hate about the modern interpretation of action movies over the late 80′s early 90s movies? I hate the fact that the action was made more realistic and the over the top execution was negated and not simply improved on. The reason every modern action movie sucks is because they are limited to the laws of physics. I loved the fact you shot a car door in a action movie then the car blew up like it had c4 in it. It was fun and exciting. And NOT REAL!

    The consistency of the mgs series and dedication to finishing with the same but improved from last formula made it fun. I do not want to see my super soldier snake fighting like drake or some standard human. If they would’ve done this I would’ve lost all interest in the series. It makes no since to go from unlimited to limited.

    And, remember a most of the time in those battles the soldiers were looking to make a name for themselves or be ended by snake. So, an old western stand off before battle was great. These elements are forgotten in story telling because now all people want to see is the *bam* your dead, ok next guy here I come.

    Drawn out drama is what’s so great about it. You guys are just spoiled by a fast progression of story telling that honestly makes less since then why they did a mexican stand off.

    #111 4 years ago
  112. DaMan

    @109

    I don’t think i’d go as far as to call that a ‘problem’, people are entitled to have various approaches to videogames.

    all of the similar jrpgs did it the same way, be it Xg or FF7 or FF8, Xenogears was the most srs bsns one, but it’s plot also had plenty of stuff aside from Will to Power or the concept of Id. anyway if you ever read that you would see that the references to psychoanalysis are present and totally transparent in many of them.

    I never said that MGS is done the ‘wrong’ way as some guys percieve it, it’s an awesome game for one type of audience.

    #112 4 years ago
  113. reask

    @Daman You said

    I never said that MGS is done the ‘wrong’ way as some guys perceive it, it’s an awesome game for one type of audience.

    Thank u for stating my thoughts.

    I am no big stealth fan having tried Tom Clancy and others.
    So I get MGS4 to try it.
    Good game but cumbersome controls and not enough to hold my attention.
    Cut scenes were way to many imo but there you go.
    Enjoy but dont hype up games that were no more than average…

    #113 4 years ago
  114. KL

    too much pseudo intelectuality in here.Get real.Nerds enjoy them for what they are ,GAMES.

    #114 4 years ago
  115. lexph3re

    Smh.. its not an average game when following a series. Its apart of a collection, if you only played 2 1 and 4 and then think you understand why the game is done that way your fooling yourself. Anything a fan follows is in series and me only playing the last installment then judging the entire series gives me a very linear view of what is going on. Mgs4 as it was in my opinion perfect as it is to the close out of snakes series. It was just like a movie with gameplay options.

    Nothing about the game was average to me especially for the time it was released.

    #115 4 years ago
  116. DaMan

    funny to see people saying ‘too much pseudo intellectuality, enjoy the games’ when the whole point is about dropping those pseudo intellectual drawn out scenes and go for the gameplay, or try to incorporate some actually decent stories, and some actually decent storytelling. comedy gold.

    I for one will be enjoying Thief when that comes out. thx.

    #116 4 years ago
  117. KL

    The thing is many people here are much worse than MGS story.So they can’t have an opinion over it

    #117 4 years ago
  118. DaMan

    it’s good to have an objective view of yourself.

    #118 4 years ago
  119. lexph3re

    Tsk* how about this for now on. People that appreciate a quality of a game spill their hearts out about it. And those who don’t keep it to themselves. This was never a competition to why someone has to prove the quality or defend what they like. This was a discussion on a future game in a franchise that some people are really looking forward to. When a theif article comes out post about everything you love on the game. And, hopefully others will shut up on what they hate and the discussion boards can stay on topic. As for now…..

    NEW METAL GEAR FTW!

    If you don’t like it keep it to yourself and write it in your journal

    #119 4 years ago
  120. KL

    You said it Lex,let all the others whine all they want.

    #120 4 years ago
  121. DaMan

    well, you took the Thief part out of context, lex.

    anyway.. it would be better if lexp3re would also do the same.. too much commenting on things you dislike, and too much pointing fingers. seriously, go play some Uncharted with it’s authentic combat ;)

    #121 4 years ago
  122. Michael O’Connor

    “And those who don’t keep it to themselves.”

    Or how about people express their personal preferences, positive or negative?

    What is this? Kindergarten?

    “And, hopefully others will shut up on what they hate and the discussion boards can stay on topic. As for now…”

    Or maybe they should post their opinion, good or bad, as long as its a properly researched and well thought out argument on the subject.

    #122 4 years ago
  123. KL

    here goes.Let’s bitch on another Sony related game.Pathetic

    #123 4 years ago
  124. lexph3re

    Well considering I haven’t seen many well thought out arguements. But, justifications of opinions, in which daman has accussed me of as well, its pretty hard to maintain a legit discussion.

    Every thing each person that has bashed metal gear for in here was from a personal preference stand point of 2 maybe 3 games (which for them is fact) but, for the ones who. Defend it are speaking on the series 1-8.

    At this point, new metal gear game=win
    New tomb raider=win
    New anything for whoever likes it =win

    #124 4 years ago
  125. DaMan

    no, that wasn’t a dig at the game, he knows what i mean. if we had private messages i’d sent that that way. not to mention all the anti Ninty threads.

    anyway, I actually haven’t said anything on a MG game for almost a year i think.

    #125 4 years ago
  126. DaMan

    but anyway though, what’s your idea of an argument, lex? anything that is related to games aren’t scientific facts. it goes either way then. no matter how much you defend something, it’s always a preference.

    I’d say this one is quite valid:
    http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/13/kojima-productions-hiring-staff-for-next-generation-metal-gear-solid-series/comment-page-2/#comment-246292

    and I did like the old MSX Metal Gear games btw.

    also no need to type TR win, MG win.. I was just pointing out some inconsistences in that post of yours. you’re okay, lex.

    #126 4 years ago
  127. lexph3re

    Honestly I hate arguing. I was always debating in my in my younger. Years. And now I’m exhausted. The thing that draws me back in is. When things are no longer balanced. And, super bashing. Begins.

    I have my moments in that. But, I tend to catch myself sometimes I don’t :-(

    #127 4 years ago
  128. osric90

    You see why METAL GEAR SOLID and HIDEO KOJIMA are simply THE BEST in videogame world/industry because; haters, lovers, simple observers… Everybody takes enough time to comment and say things about the game, bad or good things… Mostly shamefully pointless bad things and obvious, relevant good things… So: Metal Gear Solid = Victory all the way.

    #128 4 years ago
  129. StolenGlory

    I agree with O’Connor.

    It’s high time people realise the difference between actual complex plotlines and games whose convoluted narratives attempt to masquerade themselves as such.

    #129 4 years ago
  130. sennasnit

    horses for courses and all that.
    Still gotta finish it myself.

    #130 4 years ago

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