“We’re going to be hard-pressed to be able to fulfill demand” for Kinect, says Microsoft

@50 lol! Oh Kuwabara, your logic and defense of your stance on why you aren’t imppressed with Kinect have floored me. So your vision of my fat arse has undisputedly proved that Kinect is pretty shit over all and THAT is why I should buy a Wii and additionally, spend more money on a fitness video. If I was a fat lard arse, you should actually be recommending Kinect because thanks to it’s body tracking it would be able to tell me when my big fat limbs were out of sync with the trainer. Glad to see you’ve come around to my way of thinking ;P

I’m going to come out and say it: I like Kinect. More so then Move.

“I stand by what i said, those who paid for kinnect made a stupid decision and are ignorant, are lame, or misinformed, who fell for the marketing crap.”

Umm… I bought it after playing it endlessly at a friends house. My two sisters bought it after playing it at my mother’s house. Another friend of mine bought it after playing it at my house. How is any of that falling for “marketing crap”? The only person possibly guilty of that was the friend of mine who bought it in the first place.

As for it being hardcore gaming, who said that? All I said was that you’re acting the same towards casual gaming as ignorant non-gamers act towards gaming in general. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.

(Oh, and for what it’s worth, the guy who bought it originally owns every console released in the last 15 years, I’ve owned every home console from the last two generations, and both my sisters have a Wii… so going out and buying more Wiis probably wouldn’t have been particularly wise.)

“Cu”wabara Kuwabara U r gay, go fuck your butthurt. Move is a PieceOfShit3 that tanked like a trooper.

Gmrgrl, i can tell ur an xbox person. Unlike the ps3, the xbox360 is more about chat and other media related crap, hence the shit first party lineup and exclusives coming out. And the reason u bought kinnect is not for gaming, but to exercise, ” in a fun ” way. So kinnect really is just a cheap thrill, for those who aren’t gamers. Show me a game on kinnect, that is as good as console games and offers unique experiences not found elsewhere.

psychotext, ur the biggest idiot. Go play real bowling or sports instead of buying it on kinnect. Did u buy it for gaming?? what single game on kinnect is as good as a decent game on a console??

Itsucks, ur the one who will be but hurt during this year, as ur precious xbox wont see any exclusives till the late year when gears 3 comes out, meaning ur gonna be jerking off to kinnect with your fake friends. Move sold around 5 million, how did it bomb? Hve fun with ur media console with no games LOL

@ 55

Are you serious?! ALL new consoles are becoming media centers. The Wii is behind the 360 and PS3 in this area but it still has plenty of media applications through it’s dashboard (photo manipulation, Iplayer etc…). Sony pushes the PS3 just as much as MS push the 360 in this area. Christ, Sony are the only company to try and put a stamp and monopoly on new disc formats when releasing a console (UMD, DVD, Bluray), this is all included in their media center strategy. All major console manufacturers are hoping that their particular consoles becomes the main Entertainment hub in your home and if you think otherwise your just kidding yourself…

“psychotext, ur the biggest idiot. Go play real bowling or sports instead of buying it on kinnect. Did u buy it for gaming?? what single game on kinnect is as good as a decent game on a console??”

no ur idiot lololol. Why am shooty shooty in PS3 when shooty shooty IRL am real!

Fool. Dance Central is fantastic fun, challenging and good exercise to boot. The mini games on Kinect Sports are a great laugh too. I guess I should go out and buy real instruments instead of playing Rock Band as well right? Maybe get a bunch of people together to play football instead of playing Fifa? Run around on the roof instead of playing Mirror’s Edge?

(By the way, I bowl, play squash, play badminton, kickbox and mountain bike… none of that has any relevance to what I find fun when I’m gaming)

@55 I hear NASA are looking for super intelligent chimps for their next space programme. Seeing as you have somehow commandeered a PC and are managing to mash out responses on the keypad, I think you’d be in with a chance. I’ll cetainly vouch for you. Should they ever give you a brain transplant and give you the ability to actually read and absorb information, I think you might find that you’re repeatedly arguing a point that no one has made. I have actually already said this but to clarify Kinect is not for hardcore games. Its for fun and silliness as is the Wii and Move.
Also, I think NASA may be more interested in your psychic abilities. Stating only 1 reason for me buying Kinect even though I gave you 2 of the many reasons for the purchase and those were to demonstrate, by comparison, that those particular genre of games are better on the Kinect than on the Wii or Move because of the body tracking, is astounding.
I can tell you’re a PS3 chimp because your over aggressive chimp brain is seeing red at the word Xbox. You must also be a fairly young chimp to think anyone cares who’s got what console.
In a nutshell Chimpy (may I call you Chimpy?) Kinect (note the correct spelling) is for casual games and is superior due to the motion tracking for the entire body. The potential for the piece of technology as a separate entity is groundbreaking.
I must away now but if you get hungry and want some more attention come find me on another post and I’ll be more than happy to feed the resident troll

I love how you didn’t post my responce yesturday vg but told me I put duplicates up. I’ve been censored!

And, by the way anyone who believes they’ll get in shape with kinect are fooling themselves and know nothing about physical ed. Lol kinect wii and move will never get you to lose weight or stay in shape.

Waggle for 30minutes and its consecutive to a 30-45min gym workout? Lmfso!

“And, by the way anyone who believes they’ll get in shape with kinect are fooling themselves and know nothing about physical ed. Lol kinect wii and move will never get you to lose weight or stay in shape.”

I don’t think *anyone* is stupid enough to think that they will get fit by *solely* using the Kinect. This is blindingly obvious.

But as someone who works out five days a week, I can comfortably tell you that you’re ignorant if you think it doesn’t help at all. Especially in the case of Fitness Evolved, the cardio and toning exercise are just as good as any other form of similar exercises, and as long as you use it enough, it will help you lose just as much weight as any expensive gym membership could.

I bet you’re not even aware that the game has weight lifting in it. Obviously you need to buy your own weight, but man, its one hell of an intense exercise.

The Kinect version of EA Sports Active is a bit gimmicky, because the exercise in that version don’t translate themselves well to weight building or cardio burning exercises, but Fitness Evolved has the system down perfectly.

Nobody should be using it as their only mean of exercise. Obviously. Most of us are smart enough to realise that. Its the people who don’t that will continue to stay fat.

“Lol kinect wii and move will never get you to lose weight or stay in shape.”

Let me dig up some numbers I did for Wii Sports boxing and DDR: http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_thread_posts.php?thread_id=70464

Based on my experience so far I’d say that Dance Central is equivalent to a low impact cardio routine, and would likely put you into the aerobic heart zone at about 70 – 80% MHR. I’d imagine something like The Fight on PS Move would do a little lower, probably 60 – 70% MHR (fat burning / recovery zone).

I’ve put neither of them to the test though, so I could be off one way or the other. That said, if those figures are right, both would work just fine for weight loss and staying in shape (assuming you performed an appropriate / regular amount of it, and had a sensible diet), with Dance Central having the advantage of targeting more muscle groups. Obviously something like Biggest Loser / Fitness Evolved / Sports Active would be better though as they’re specifically aimed at fitness / flexibility.

Related to gaming / fitness. I used DDR to take me from 22% body fat to 14% body fat after a back injury. Was some fantastic cardio at the higher difficulty levels.

and the NATAL defense force is out again for people who claim they are well beyond responding to idiocy you two “FAIL EPICALLY”

the amount of owning Kuwabara does is hilarious

You should actually read the posts TEA, you might learn something.

(Oh, and that last one puts me in the Move and Wii defence forces too technically)

@62 Do you *enjoy* proving your own stupidity and ignorance to the whole world? You’re like that annoying rash that you want to get rid of but refuses to go away, and everyone on the entire site has the rash.

You should try it some time.

@63 Don’t expect miracles, Psycho.

Ok, seeing how I’m a martial artist and know the true intensity needed for maintaining and losing weight as well as a well-balanced diet. I can say again, anyone who believes these sole devices will help them lose weight need to do some serious research.

Just plainly getting your heart rate is one part of the deal not the whole thing. And, buying a weight set along with kinect shows again more money spent at a ignorant rate. You’d be better off hiring a personal fitness trainer.

So, again the move, kinect, and wii. Would have to be apart of a established workout. Which means it is not needed if your truely working out correctly. This fitness via video game equals big fail

…and I’ve got a degree in Sports Science, with a PhD in Nutritional Sciences (I hate doing this, but seriously, what the hell man).

Martialartistlol

You want to turn yourself into Bruce Lee… sure, the Wii, Move, Kinect etc isn’t going to be enough. You want to keep fit / lose a bit of weight with a sensible diet? Easily enough. You want to eat 1000kcal over your RMR per day… d’uh, it’s obviously not going to cut it.

Oh, and raising your heart rate? Pretty much all that matters outside of diet unless you want to lose weight passively through increased lean body mass, and even then, adding 10kg of muscle mass wouldn’t burn much more than an tablespoon of sugar worth of calories a day at rest (check my numbers against the Katch-McArdle formula or Cunningham formula if you like).

Unless you’re getting into macronutritional ratios, but that’s somewhat outside the scope of exercise discussion.

Aaaaaanyway, done with this crap. Short answer is do whatever works for you, if you need to be obsessive about it / need a personal trainer / jog 20 miles a day / play Wii Fit / 2 hours a day of DDR / whatever then more power to you. But don’t dismiss what works for others because you feel it wouldn’t work for you.

“Ok, seeing how I’m a martial artist and know the true intensity needed for maintaining and losing weight as well as a well-balanced diet.”

You do realise that this sort of thing and is influenced by genes and varies incredibly from person to person, right?

Some people just have a good metabolism. Others don’t. For some (like myself) losing weight is a breeze. For others, it’s an incredibly difficult process.

So I’m not entirely sure what you mean about “the true intensity needed for maintaining and losing weight.” For me it was as simple as dropping Pepsi out of my diet. Seriously.

“So, again the move, kinect, and wii. Would have to be apart of a established workout. Which means it is not needed if your truely working out correctly. This fitness via video game equals big fail.”

Nobody is claiming that these devices will *solely* help you get fit, strong and healthy, and there are very few people out there stupid enough to believe that one of these alone will do that for you.

You’re missing the point. It’s a fun alternative.

I enjoy Fitness Evolved. I like the adrenalin rush that sort of exercise gives me, and when I live on an island, and it’s 8pm at night, getting to a gym isn’t always an option.

It’s also more engaging and enjoyable than having to travel those 20 miles to a gym and hang out in such a boring and sterile environment. Not to mention cheaper.

See. That’s why I don’t give 2 shits when someone brings degrees in the matter. Because, clearly o’connor caught what I said. And yes some of these gamers/casuals truely believe that just kinect,wii,and move is going to be enough for them. And yes a martial fucking artist for 17 years to your 4 year degree.(2 for some)

So, without someone else lecturing or telling me about fitness its engrained in me. And the formulas just make it simpler to clarify what you know. To the people who need convincing that is. More power to you for what helped you. And I’m not dismissing what you accomplished. But, for the asses that think these stand alone devices can equal out to the true effect of PROPERlY taking care of your body. They need to get a clue.

Cardio is no good if your still smoking 4 packs a day and knockin back some beers. And eating grossly still does no justice. Eating 2 times a day kitty meals isn’t a diet.. its starvation. This is to specific to just settle at you have a degree.

And, I don’t think my purpose of this was about fun was it? But, about fitness.

“And, I don’t think my purpose of this was about fun was it? But, about fitness.”

Why not have both? =P

You did directly say “Lol kinect wii and move will never get you to lose weight or stay in shape.”. This is blatantly untrue. It’s not the only thing you need, but it can *definitely* help, and sometimes significantly so.

Only the stupidest people think one thing will help them lose weight…

…or maybe I’m just overestimating people’s intelligence. The more Americans I get to know, the easier I find it to understand just why the country has an obesity problem. How about simply not eating 20lbs of meat with every meal? Uurrgghh…

Try living with them every day and having a mother who thinks she know everything about fitness can make you go mad!