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Kinect: There “won’t be a correlation” between game reviews and sales, says Greenberg

Saturday, 30th October 2010 17:30 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

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Aaron Greenberg is a confident man. So confident, he believes Kinect will sell more units at launch than the Wii did.

He is also so confident in Kinect, he doesn’t think reviews of games created for it will affect sales of the device or the games created for it in any way.

Speaking with Eurogamer, Greenberg said due to the different experiences and genres of Kinect’s offerings, he doesn’t think there will be a “correlation between reviews and actual sales.

“For us, these are different types of titles and experiences than maybe some of the games traditionally that are targeted to the core market,” he said. “So the correlation between a review score for Halo: Reach and sales is very high, but Kinect Sports is more about just having fun.

“I don’t know how reviewers will grade those games because they’re so unique and so different to what the reviewers have played with controllers. We’d love to see great reviews but I don’t think you’ll see the same type of correlation between reviews and actual sales of the game, would be my guess.”

So, basically, Microsoft would love great reviews, but sales won’t be dependent on high review scores. Got it.

We’d attend a class on confidence taught by Greenberg any day of the week. You know, sort of like Tony Robbins, only without the scary teeth.

Kinect is out next week in the US and November 10 in Europe.

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71 Comments

  1. AHA-Lambda

    so he’s saying reviews will be shit?!

    #1 4 years ago
  2. Michael O’Connor

    I’m going to say it right now.

    I’ve played Kinect, and you know what? It works.

    No, it’s not traditional gaming, and yes, some of it is a little simple. But it’s fun. And that’s all that matter.

    Also, the builds of Joyride, Kinect Adventures, Dance Central and Kinect Sports I tried had no noticeable lag that I was aware of. Whatever lag might still exist with the device is infinitesimal at this point.

    #2 4 years ago
  3. Razor

    “But it’s fun. And that’s all that matter.”

    £130 worth of fun?

    #3 4 years ago
  4. Michael O’Connor

    @3 That’s not any more than a DS or many other popular forms of entertainment.

    If this takes off, I can see it being shipped by default with future units.

    #4 4 years ago
  5. NoxNoctisUmbra

    Works or not, fun or not.. there are no good games!

    ALso how is it fun to race with that thing? I bet people’s arms will get numb for holding them in the air.

    It can be fun if you are super casual gamer or a KID. Other then that, its not a gamer’s controller.

    #5 4 years ago
  6. Erthazus

    “It can be fun if you are super casual gamer or a KID. Other then that, its not a gamer’s controller.”

    Excellent quote. I rather spend my time playing New Vegas that is deep enough or read a book. Or do something more productive than wasting my time waving arms like an idiot.

    This thing can be really good with services but with first iterations? No.

    #6 4 years ago
  7. Lord Gremlin

    Translation: “We’ll release loads of shovelware and casuals will buy it anyway, even with 1% review scores!!!”
    Fuck you, M$.

    #7 4 years ago
  8. NiceFellow

    I’ve been quite interested in Kinect, but Greenberg is sounding off about it so much I’m actually hoping in struggles after the initial rush just to see how he tries to spin it.

    Also, the games don’t seem too unique at this point vs the Wii. Bit of a different input, jumping without a Wiimote in your pocket, etc. but the end result isn’t much different.

    So I guess he’s saying that hey, average scores didn’t affect Wii titles much from seasoned reviewers so I’m not expecting it’ll affect us.

    That’s my positive reading of it. Of course @7 might be right as well.

    #8 4 years ago
  9. Michael O’Connor

    @5 “Works or not, fun or not.. there are no good games!”

    Dance Central. Child of Eden. Your Shape: Fitness Evolved.

    “Also how is it fun to race with that thing? I bet people’s arms will get numb for holding them in the air.”

    Actually yes. I enjoyed Joy Ride far more than I thought I would. It was one of the games I super sceptical about, but just like ModNation Racers… I was surprised.

    “It can be fun if you are super casual gamer or a KID.”

    Or if you don’t feel the need to treat every single game as a serious experience.

    “Other then that, its not a gamer’s controller.”

    It’s not intended to be. It never did the Wii any harm, and that device is home to a tonne of truly amazing games.

    #9 4 years ago
  10. hitnrun

    As much as many of us hate to admit it, the man is damned right.

    The Kinect may flop for 2 or 3 solid reasons, but the esteem in which its games are held by the sort of people who write (and read) game reviews is not one of them.

    #10 4 years ago
  11. Goliath

    I’m “intrigued” by Dance Central. I think it’s a triple A Kinect title and one hell of a party game. Child of Eden also looks like an interesting title but I think the entry price is too steep for so few games that appeal to the core gamer. It works; I’ve had a chance to try it. I think games like Dance Central have made better use of the peripheral than Microsoft has with the Navigation. The Navigation is stilted and clunky. I will buy the Kinect but when it’s a $100, not right now.

    #11 4 years ago
  12. get2sammyb

    See my view differs. I tried it and I agree that it works — but only just about. I noticed a measurable amount of lag, but it didn’t really affect the experience too much because the games are design to accomodate for the slow input. Having said that, I had trouble with the on-rails raft type section because the slow input meant I was hitting objects even though my body was definitely out of the way.

    Granted, it might just have been an old build.

    I think Kinect’s going to do great out the gates. It’s a great novelty. I can’t see it sticking around to be honest though. Maybe I’ll be proved wrong, but there are just too many flaws in the concept of controller-less gaming for it to succeed over a long period, even if it works flawlessly.

    I still think the jury is out for Kinect though. Reviews don’t matter I agree, but if even 30% of people have trouble getting this thing working in their homes, I think it’s dead. Word of mouth is key. People have had issues with Move and the Wii, but with Kinect I feel there’s so much that could go wrong. We’ve still only ever seen the device working in Microsoft friendly homes. Heck, the Gamespot demonstration does not even SHOW the playing environment due to a request from Microsoft.

    If come launch day this thing has a series of 1 Stars on Amazon because people bought it, plugged it in and it didn’t work, then it’s dead right there in my opinion.

    We’ll see. Word of mouth will absolutely be key though, Greenberg’s right in that sense. Reviews really don’t matter.

    #12 4 years ago
  13. freedoms_stain

    I played Kinect Adventures today on the Kinect Tour in Edinburgh.

    Like way more lag than Wii. I reckon this is why we’re not seeing any core games for this, not responsive enough for twitch gameplay.

    Can’t seem to detect walls either, there was a wall to my right and Kinect didn’t tell me I was too close to a wall or anything, it just buttfucked me on games where I had to reach far out to the right.

    #13 4 years ago
  14. PEYJ

    For me the point is that a platform holder is taking a huge chance by pushing a product towards a different segment of the market. But it’s not moving the industry anywhere. Just as with Wii they are trying to make people hooked on a product that doesn’t do anything interesting or new. That’s definately a subjective point but I feel that technology wise they are not challenging the industry. They are only challenging peoples bank accounts, just like Wii did and just like Apple is doing with repetitive versions of Iphone. They are making it normal to buy luxury (price wise) products. I’m quite convinced that after 3 months or so people will, more or less, will stop spending time on this.

    #14 4 years ago
  15. NoxNoctisUmbra

    @9

    So cant you see Microsoft is going Casual? Halo is no more, Gears of war creator wants to go multi platform same with mass effect guys. What will Microsoft have left? Maybe 2-5 good titles a year, rest will be multi platform games or kinect games.

    #15 4 years ago
  16. Michael O’Connor

    @15 “Halo is no more.”

    Yeah right.

    “Gears of war creator wants to go multi platform.”

    I’ll be very surprised if this happens, but regardless, for now its a console exclusive franchise and that doesn’t look like its going to change for another few years at least.

    “What will Microsoft have left? Maybe 2-5 good titles a year, rest will be multi platform games or kinect games.”

    So what? Those multi-format titles are still games, and they’re still on your consoles. Exclusives clearly don’t influence the console race, as Sony’s position in third place proves clearly enough.

    When I see an exclusive, I want a game that *can’t* be done on the other hardware, not a game that just happens to be on a specific format.

    For anyone who owns more than one consoles (such as myself), console exclusivity is a moot point anyway. It just means you have to boot a different machine every so often.

    Despite all that, I never said Microsoft weren’t taking a casual focus. I just said I thought the device worked and was fun. People seem to be adverse to that idea.

    Are all gamers so socially retarded that the idea of looking a bit silly in the process is so off-putting to them? SO CARES?! Lighten up and just enjoy yourself.

    Not every game has to be “hardcore” and this is coming from someone who is a very hardcore gamer himself. I eat games like Vanquish and Bayonetta for breakfast. I just don’t have an issue with having a side-snack of Kinect Joyride or Mario Party in-between my big meals.

    Lastly… Dance Central is anything *but* a casual title. There’s a shit-ton of skill involved in that game if you want to play it on anything other than easy.

    #16 4 years ago
  17. OrbitMonkey

    Their spending millions on advertising & to the masses it is something shiny & new. Unless those reviews state that using Kinnect gives you cancer, this will sell like hot cakes.

    #17 4 years ago
  18. Moonwalker1982

    I honestly have no idea how this will turn out eventually. I’m not incredibly keen on the whole motion sensor stuff. Sure it’s cool for Mario Galaxy and a few other titles on Wii, but most of the stuff for Kinect i simply don’t care at all for. But i DO understand what MS is doing, they want to appeal to an even bigger audience.

    I can see kids going crazy with that Kinectimals, and understandably so. I can see dance-fanatics being happy as hell with Dance Central, hell who knows…maybe it’ll bring the little dancer out of me again. Last time was when i was very young,lol.

    I’m ok if Kinect stays mostly casual, cause for some reason i just kinda see ‘hardcore’ titles failing with this. I don’t want to play any shooter like this(at least, that’s what i say now,i’ve never tried Kinect)or any RPG and you name it. But i can be very wrong, and that this will actually work greatly for hardcore games as well. Time will tell, won’t it?

    Simple fact remains that MS barely has any exclusive games left, which i find sad and i don’t like that one bit. Gears 3 has been delayed for only one reason, and we all know what reason that is. I surely hope MS will anounce some new exclusives next year at E3, but i won’t hold my breath. Sure i’ll keep buying the multiplatform games for my 360, but fact is…Sony will have the better exclusives next year. I just hope MS won’t forget about us ‘harcore’ gamers, is all.

    #18 4 years ago
  19. Psychotech

    Halo isn’t finished but the franchise is questionable from now on without Bungie’s involvement.
    Isn’t GEoW supposed to be a trilogy?unless they plan to extend it a little bit.
    Exclusives do influence the console race.If ps3 didn’t have this good ammount of exclusives it wouldn’t be catching up with 360 not in a million years.
    Technicaly it’s not in the 3rd place,take account the 360′s one year headstart and you get more ps3′s sold

    Dance Central is cool but there isn’t actually any skill in there.In many songs there are rehashed moves over and over which makes it easy

    #19 4 years ago
  20. Psychotech

    @18 the only thing Dance Central can help you with is to get you a little bit loose and off course have fun with it in your place along with friends.Do not try to pull the exact same moves out of your house,trust me ;)

    #20 4 years ago
  21. Moonwalker1982

    @ 20 hahah, i’ll keep that in mind. But really, if i were to dance at all to Dance Central, that would be the only dancing i’d do, cause i am simply not the type to go to clubs. But who knows, maybe during concerts i can loosen up a bit more.

    And who knows, me as a huge Michael Jackson fan, that MJ- The Experience game could turn out great, and at least i could pull those moves off, at MJ fan events and such ;)

    #21 4 years ago
  22. Michael O’Connor

    I’m a big fitness freak, so Kinect for me is useful as a warm-up tool if nothing else. Anything that makes exercise less monotonous and boring is always a good thing!

    #22 4 years ago
  23. Moonwalker1982

    @ 22

    So you have wii-fit no doub too then? :) And what about fitness clubs?

    #23 4 years ago
  24. Kuwabara

    Once u play kinnect in an average home in a environment or space much different to what u see in the demos, u will notice alot of problems and lagg.

    #24 4 years ago
  25. NoxNoctisUmbra

    @16
    “”"So what? Those multi-format titles are still games, and they’re still on your consoles. Exclusives clearly don’t influence the console race, as Sony’s position in third place proves clearly enough.”"”

    Exacly what I am trying to say. I really want exclusive stuff, I really want a hardcore game, just because it does not sell does not mean its not good. Exclusives means that the company makes the best or tires to do the best job in that game for specific title. Look how good Halo series look good on 360, look at other multi platofrm games, they look more generic. Look how no game beats Uncharted 2 and now Killzone 3 with graphics, if it was multiplatform the Graphics will take a downturn. Not only graphics its the content of exclusive games. Look how deep FM3 is, and look how deep .. shallow.. dirt 2 is because its multi platform. Look how deep GT5 will be..

    Each console really needs first party developers or exclusives games. A good game is a good game no matter how many sales it has. Sure I do play casual games too like mario and i might see myself playing Kinect too if one of friends or cousins buy it.

    But in the end if you say you don’t care for exclusives, then go buy a Kinect and help Microsoft become a family gaming company. And you have to admit, for REAL gamers, Kinect is a falure, it wont make a decent FPS or racing game, it wont make a decent Action adventure game, all it is good for its quick party games for casual crowd that is worth between 300-450 USD. Very very expensive, I would rather buy a 200 dollar Wii that has and will have more hardcore games with motion controls over kinect.

    #25 4 years ago
  26. Dannybuoy

    Put ya hands up in the air! Kinect is here. Oh hang on. Dont put your hands in the air it’s not calibrated properly

    #26 4 years ago
  27. Mike

    @24: Says who?

    #27 4 years ago
  28. Mike

    @25: I wonder what being a REAL gamer is like. As you make it sound whiny and tragic.

    #28 4 years ago
  29. Michael O’Connor

    @25 “Look how no game beats Uncharted 2 and now Killzone 3 with graphics, if it was multiplatform the Graphics will take a downturn.”

    Last time I checked, the sole defining quality of a good game wasn’t graphics, so I’m not sure what your point is.

    My two favourite games of this year (Bayonetta and Vanquish) are both multi-format title. This idea that exclusive games are somehow “better” because they’re exclusive is utter bollocks. Any half decent developer can make a great game regardless of format.

    Yes, you are right in the sense that creating games on specific formats allow that game to play to the consoles strength (the social nature of Xbox Live, the greater freedom for content creation of the PS3, etc.), but format exclusive games don’t have some sort of special ownership over quality. There are tons of multi-format games that are just as good as if not better than any console exclusive game.

    “Each console really needs first party developers or exclusives games. A good game is a good game no matter how many sales it has.”

    Why exactly does each console *need* first party titles? They exist purely to coax consumers to choose one format off the other… which becomes void if you own both.

    “Kinect is a falure, it wont make a decent FPS or racing game, it wont make a decent Action adventure game, all it is good for its quick party games for casual crowd.”

    What I fail to understand is why the “hardcore” gamer simply can’t lighten the hell up and appreciate a bit of simple fun.

    #29 4 years ago
  30. Psychotext

    So much anger in here.

    #30 4 years ago
  31. Moonwalker1982

    I don’t understand that neither, i bought a Wii so i could play the more ‘happier’ games that you wouldn’t see on 360 or PS3. And for the motion controls. There’s alot of ‘hate’ for Kinect, while its not even out yet. But people already seem sure of it being a failure.

    Yet i don’t see as much ‘hate’ on the PS Move, i wonder why. Keep an open mind and just wait and see what happens.

    #31 4 years ago
  32. James Mac

    I think we will see some hardcore games for it.

    Indie developers will have access to it, and you just know they’re dying to have a crack at it.
    They’ll release ideas that will be bought up by the big studios and turned into AAA games.

    Personally, all I want to see is that head tracking 3d that was done on youtube with a wii… especially seeing as the guy who did it now works for microsoft.
    You’d still use a controller to play games, and the kinect would just augment that.

    #32 4 years ago
  33. Psychotech

    @32 wishful thinking.
    The tech is time consuming for 3rd party devs to really put effort to it. gaming history has taught us most of the time that developers prefer comfort and ease over innovation and hard work.

    #33 4 years ago
  34. Galactic_Barret

    I saw on NeoGaf that PS3 is 400k from being in 2nd place. Just sayin’.

    #34 4 years ago
  35. Galactic_Barret

    @33 True, but MS is spending big money on Kinect. They are in the game to become THE brand name in consumer electronics/entertainment. The 360 shows it; Recognition is first priority, and with it comes the money.

    They will have no problems coralling developers up to work on Kinect-exclusive/enabled games. This is MS and they want it bad enough, there will be games.

    #35 4 years ago
  36. Jan

    This site should really changes the name to “WE HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT MS” so its pretty clear for everybody else they should go some where else to read news.

    #36 4 years ago
  37. Gadzooks!

    @36

    Monkey see, monkey do… It’s popular to hate on MS and most of the children that post on this site don’t know how to think for themselves so they are bound to join the baying brainless crowd.

    This site hasnt had a credible community for a good while now. It used to, until the VG staff started copying the flamebait headline tactic of other troll hotspots like GAF and Eurogamer.

    Advertising revenue through page hits, eh? What a glorious invention.

    #37 4 years ago
  38. Erthazus

    @Gadzookks – Said a Microsoft fanboy :D

    #38 4 years ago
  39. Galactic_Barret

    Wow, thats kind of crazy to believe that some people dislike MS and/or the 360 because it cool to do so. PS3 as well. Thats crazy fanboy logic.

    Do you honestly believe that? Really? You see, I think some just need an outlet so they blame anyone and everyone, from inanimate videogame consoles to some of the only decent gaming journalists out there, as I see it.

    I tend to ask and answer simple questions in my head, like: How can the editors of VG247 foster a community of people who feel like they can voice their honest opinions without the constant concern of being booted for saying something the majority may feel isn’t correct?

    By not listening to singular voices of opposition, actually letting an adult community semi-police itself like an adult community should be able to. As in, stop the whining, finger-pointing, and playing the blame-game, and act like you got hair down there.

    At least, thats how I see it. Damn, must be my time of the month, full moon and all that.

    #39 4 years ago
  40. OrbitMonkey

    I’m sure that I heard Microsoft have some decent developers (not Rare) working on Kinnect games, like the guys who made Panzer Dragoon & some others.*Proper* games might not be wishful thinking after all.

    #40 4 years ago
  41. justiceblob

    So you would say Harmonix, Ubisoft Montreal and Lionhead aren’t decent developers?

    #41 4 years ago
  42. Callum

    @33 “gaming history has taught us most of the time that developers prefer comfort and ease over innovation and hard work.”
    Bullshit.
    Just because you cant see the inovation doesnt mean it isn’t there. Games drive technology forwards in ways other than quirky controllers.
    Blur didnt inovate anything of note to the consumer, except maybe the number of active cars on screen, but their inovation in their rendering code will be used for ages in and out of the industry.

    #42 4 years ago
  43. Psychotech

    e.g Most developers prefered and still do developing on 360 than ps3 because it’s easier,less time consuming and give the ps3 the port job which in many cases ends up shit.that proves that they prefer comfort and ease over hard work to get something even and get more recognition.
    Microsoft will put a lot of effort and money for Kinect,they will support 3rd party devs to make something out of it but don’t expect much.Don’t expect developers all of a sudden turn around and focus primarily on Kinect or Move so to speak.There will be a few titles and that’s that.
    3rd party devs won’t just consume their time with a tech no matter how much they pay them while they could revenue if at that same time they would make multiple projects for multiple platforms
    When it comes to these gimmicks mostly 1st party devs are the ones who will put effort and time and Microsoft lack those.
    Bottom line Microsoft should stop renting and start buying if they want to make something good out of Kinect.

    @42 i didn’t say all the times and everyone ;)

    #43 4 years ago
  44. Callum

    Hmm, I sort of see your point. I guess a first party dev would really have to focus on the new tech just out of principle.
    I too doubt very much that people will rush to develop for kinect, but I think over time people will start understanding its potential and as its market reach expands it will become an increasingly attractive option.

    #44 4 years ago
  45. DaMan

    @43 you’re confusing ‘hard work’ and ‘pain in the ass’.

    #45 4 years ago
  46. Psychotech

    @44 It’s potential is questionable at the moment.I mean there have been too many reports of a flawed tech with all the laq and many restrictions for it to work.Even Lionhead dropped it for Fable III which was supposed to be using it.I quess we have to see it for ourselves.

    @45 i smell fanboyism in this sentence.
    It was always like this,each new console was ‘pain in the ass”to develop for and needed a lot of time and “hard work” to understand it then Microsoft entered and presented a very easy alternative.

    #46 4 years ago
  47. Michael O’Connor

    Well, we only have 2 days to find out.

    #47 4 years ago
  48. DaMan

    @46 I smell an ignorant, angsty consumer in that post.

    that is not true at all, DC was more flexible, and the original xbox allowed just as much (and more) to do, while Sony made their last two platforms absolutely unnecessary hard to develop for. it’s a fact, same as how MS made the 360 inferior durabilty-wise. in this case, there is no reason for consoles not to evolve since the 90s.

    nobody. nobody apart from Sony has gained anything from ps2 (or ps3) being different to MS Xbox/ PC platforms. you could do the same stuff (and put as much ‘hard work’ into your games) but with superior tools.

    #48 4 years ago
  49. itsucks

    ErzaTWATzus butthurt as usual.

    #49 4 years ago
  50. Psychotech

    @46 not at all i assure you.Overestimate yourself much?Not DaMan you think you are so give it a rest.

    What about early Sega and Nintendo platforms.Forget about those?SNES,N64,GC ring a bell?
    Since you can juice more out of the ps3 as already proved you can’t do the same staff.A complicated architecture which includes CELL is only natural that it won’t be as easy developing for it like it is for other platforms.

    #50 4 years ago
  51. DaMan

    sigh. what am I overestimating? at least i have developed more stuff than someone like you. I simply corrected your post, you miss the point entirely, hard work is one thing, wasting time with inferior tools is nothing but a pain in the ass.. it even had nothing to do with game development.

    you missed it entirely, and escalated everything, while simultaneously accusing people of fanboyism. you’re a sad man. I criticize things cause i don’t like inferior stuff, be it Apple trying to ride on the quality of their Macs with the crappy iPhones, Sony bullshitting everyone with their consoles, or MS releasing faulty hardware.

    anyway first of, you really have trouble reading my comments, don’t you? like I said, there’s absolutely no reason for consoles not to evolve since those i quote ‘early Sega and Nintendo platforms.Forget about those?SNES,N64,GC blah blah blah’ days. DC was a lot less painful to develop for already.

    now second, everything you say about that cell is a common incorrect assumption. think about it for a moment, are you suggesting that PS3 was more powerful than any home gaming PCs when it launched?… Lmao, man.
    anyway, they merely could’ve put a more powerful cpu into the 360, besides why are you even babbling about the central processor all the time? PS3 has say ie an inferior rasterizer, which is quite important… you’re dull, dude.

    Sony did it with both ps2 and ps3 for two reasons: cause they’re an electronics/hardware company, hence they will always try and go with their own custom components (they even went with a custom gpu with ps2), and second cause they wanted to stop devs from easily porting games to rivals’ platform. it worked with ps2, but funnily enough had the exact opposite effect with the successor.

    #51 4 years ago
  52. Psychotech

    yourself.You think you know and got me all figured out don’t you?On the other hand i do know you ;)
    Please tell all the other guys here about your work a little bit.Let them have a few laughts

    Why forget about those early platforms?because it’s convenient for you.
    they had the neccessary tools, time and difficulty back then as much as they do now for today’s standards.
    Talking about evolution.Why Microsoft is still stack on the Dvd format while they could give something more flexible for developers to work with?You know what don’t answer that.you’re so predictable

    I’m not suggesting that Ps3 is more powerful than home gaming Pc’s but i do suggest that some games done on the ps3 put in shame many games on the PC.There are very few Pc games that take advantage of the most powerful rigs.
    i think i brought up the processor once chippie, babbling all the time,did you dream it that i was?welcome to reality

    #52 4 years ago
  53. DaMan

    I didn’t say that to make myself look all high and mighty. in fact this is the first (no, the second) time I mentioned it, cause i generally feel it’s irrelevant on a gaming news blog like this. anyway go ahead and tell me where do you know me from though.

    no, not cause it’s convenient. i didnt’ say ‘forget them’, i said there’s no reason not to evolve. why put words into people’s mouth? PC did evolve, so why not do the same with these? besides SNES (or anything you mention) would’ve been quite an expensive console if they went with the PC design at that time. do you know how slow Java was in the 90s? today you can write Android games in it.

    dvd has nothing to do with flexibilty. dvd9 is adequate for today’s games, it’s not near the same as with cds in 99, why make your console more expensive. you’re grasping at straws now.

    #53 4 years ago
  54. Callum

    Let’s not get personal lads!

    #54 4 years ago
  55. Psychotech

    i will, if you tell us here about your work.

    I was going for the actual words which you just edited adding a question mark in there.Good job.
    Pc did evolve but do all the others have to evolve according only to PC.That’s not real evolution and innovation for them.

    Then why some developers complain about the given Dvd space while others try their best to avoid multiple discs for their own benefit?Seems like that’s pain in the ass too

    #55 4 years ago
  56. DaMan

    ah, I see then. that’s a good one, I don’t even disclose my home country, let alone any sort of identity. say what you want, i don’t need to prove my superiority to random folks on the internet, I simply adressed that question of yours.

    what? what did I edit? I might ‘ve edited the current post somewhere because I generally do correct something i misworded or spelling right after i click submit (this isn’t my native tongue). i never edit old posts,

    anyway.. whatever does that mean?? according to? it’s superior tools. you work with the tools to make your ideas come true. say, an engine. hard work is trying to do your best and realize everything you wanted to, not wasting time on fiddling with an old school/clumsy sdk. xbox allowed for better graphics and everything while being a nice machine to work with, whilst Sony even required devs to code in assembly for ps2. do you even listen to what you’re saying?

    lastly I never denied ps3 allows for putting more stuff on the bloody disc. nothing to do with flexibilty, nothing to do with the points i made before.

    i feel as if this conversation is becoming inane.

    #56 4 years ago
  57. DaMan

    ah, I know what you mean by the ‘forget’ quote. I copy pasted yours in fact.

    #57 4 years ago
  58. Psychotech

    prove your superiority?overestimating yourself again?As i said not the “DaMan” you think ;)
    tell me how long has it been since you were unemployed?

    #58 4 years ago
  59. Kuwabara

    First party exclusives are fucking important. It defines the console and makes it stand out from other consoles, and shows off the talent of what the console can offer and how serious it is about gaming. Sony has had many great first party exclusives that have changed the way we view or play games. Microsoft on the other hand has had few first party exclusives, with it’s focus going to xbox live and social features. There will come a point in time where all games may be multiplat, and the only way to truly distinguish a console is the diversity and range of quality first party titles to show off. This is where xbox will be screwed, and sony will be the clear winner. Unless microsoft pulls its finger from its ass and starts putting more money into first party exclusives, then it is destined for failure.

    #59 4 years ago
  60. DaMan

    uh-huh. tell you what though btw, do you know why i’m here posting? cause I’m at the place i do everything from. it’s a nice practice in english, as well.

    I just thought you were serious when you said you know me.

    #60 4 years ago
  61. Psychotech

    i’m dead serious.always be prepared for the unexpected.Even a superior guy like you should know that by now

    #61 4 years ago
  62. DaMan

    btw, I took that name 2 years ago when registering here. I’ve picked it at random. chose something common, which is quick to type when logging in and easy to remember. I’d actually change it for some other gibberish but this website doesn’t allow it.

    you definetely do warrant the first half of yours though.

    #62 4 years ago
  63. Psychotech

    best pick up a name that suits you better

    #63 4 years ago
  64. theevilaires

    I highly approve of Psychotech’s posts :D This guy knows his stuff and easily are making the XBOTS of this site look foolish without any effort.

    ….I’m loving every second of this debate in this article. :D

    #64 4 years ago
  65. Callum

    Psycho, you’ve made several valid points, and obviously this debate between you and DaMan is a bit personal. However, developers do not “prefer comfort and ease over innovation and hard work”, why would they? What would they gain? Even shit games like fifa have SOMETHING new added to them every time, whether its in the tech or it’s in the experience.

    More so in todays games; you have to inervate to survive or you just won’t stand out from the crowd.

    And Theevilaires, I hope in your returning to regular posting you can understand just how pathetic it is labeling people as XBOTS just because of a difference in opinion.

    #65 4 years ago
  66. Michael O’Connor

    @65 Don’t hold your breath. He first few posts back today are are layered with stupidity as they were before he left.

    #66 4 years ago
  67. theevilaires

    I’m just flying by taking notes….I’m haven’t made my official return but I can’t help keeping tabs on these NATAL articles. Obviously there are a number of people here on different sides of the fence Callum.

    If you have to come back after article after article defending NATAL then you only label yourself as a 360 fanboy aka XBOT….not me. I call it as I see it. There’s been many articles about NATAL in the past week and all seem similar (VG247 for ya!) but why do the M$ defense force feel the need to keep repeating themselves? Say it once and shut up and go play with skittles when this thing releases.

    P.S. LMAO @ comment #4 “If this takes off, I can see it being shipped by default with future units”.

    So pathetic….do you lay in bed at night (lonely of course) thinking these things to yourself? :D

    ….if I troll on VG247 maybe Garratt will let me join his site and that way I can leave my loser site and become famous and go to parties with Aaron Greenburg and we can all play Halo together and I can get my own little review spot in XBOX magazine and I can finally get a girlfriend (maybe) and I won’t be a loser for the rest of my life.

    ….keep wishing O’Connor!

    #67 4 years ago
  68. Michael O’Connor

    “I’m haven’t made my official return.”

    Good. Hopefully you never will.

    “If you have to come back after article after article defending NATAL then you only label yourself as a 360 fanboy aka XBOT….”

    I love how you ignore my regular praise of Sony and the fact that my most anticipated game at the moment is LittleBigPlanet 2. Oh, and I’m having tons of fun playing through Castlevania: Lords of Shadow at the moment… on the PS3.

    Dumbass.

    “….if I troll on VG247 maybe Garratt will let me join his site and that way I can leave my loser site and become famous and go to parties with Aaron Greenburg and we can all play Halo together and I can get my own little review spot in XBOX magazine and I can finally get a girlfriend (maybe) and I won’t be a loser for the rest of my life.”

    You really don’t have any idea what the hell you’re talking about, do you?

    By the way, speaking of girlfriends… she thinks you’re a loser, and, I quote “a total waste of space and freedom.”

    #68 4 years ago
  69. theevilaires

    “By the way, speaking of girlfriends… she thinks you’re a loser, and, I quote “a total waste of space and freedom.”

    LMAO! Just because someone happens to be fond of you and gets a sex change doesn’t mean she’s your girlfriend O’Connor, but hey I guess its better than your blow up dolls.

    “If you have to come back after article after article defending NATAL then you only label yourself as a 360 fanboy aka XBOT….”

    “I love how you ignore my regular praise of Sony and the fact that my most anticipated game at the moment is LittleBigPlanet 2. Oh, and I’m having tons of fun playing through Castlevania: Lords of Shadow at the moment… on the PS3″.

    “Dumbass”.

    Where does it say 360 fanboy aka O’Connor in anything I have said? ….unless you’re admitting you’re one eh numb nuts. Also I have praised M$ on many things and you’ll see that in my XBOX360 Console Review I will be posting very soon, but that didn’t stop your M$ ass licking self from voting me as fanboy of the year in Garratts little annual puppet award show despite me owning both a PS3 and 360.

    #69 4 years ago
  70. Johnny Cullen

    Ladies, calm it down. It’s gone on for a bit too long now, hasn’t it?

    #70 4 years ago
  71. Psychotech

    @65 comfort and ease doesn’t always equal shit.
    they will gain easy money,more profit if you will at less time.eg MGS peace walker,Valkyria Chronicles 2,3 on the Psp instead.
    But with hard work also comes recognition.Look at Naughty Dog they almost nailed ps3 and even to this day they are one of the most praised devs.Whenever another ps3 exclusive is about to pop the tabloids bring them up as an example one way or another.

    Did Naughty Dog innovate?Not quite,they just offered one of the very few best looking and well polished games this gen.they worked hard and they have become an example for others hence the recognition.
    Do you think 3rd party devs would easily follow?I don’t. they would prefer doing something a little bit easier and a bit inferior technicaly at less time making it for other platforms as well and gain more profit.Comfort and ease.
    but profit doesn’t equal recognition.recognition would eventually bring more profit and much more.

    bottom line just like you’ll might rarely see a 3rd dev team achieve exactly what Naughty dog did on the ps3 putting a lot of hard work and effort,you’ll rarely see a 3rd dev team put a lot of hard work and effort on Kinect.
    The secret of Kinect’s true potential and future success may come only from 1st party devs.Microsoft needs to drop that “renting” shit for a bit and make some good investments.

    #71 4 years ago

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