Wed, Sep 22, 2010 | 09:55 BST

Ninja Theory on DMC: “What was cool” in the past “isn’t cool any more”

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Didn’t like the new look to Dante in last week’s DMC reveal? Don’t worry: it’s all within reason, according to Capcom and developer Ninja Theory.

Ninja Theory creative design boss Tameem Antoniades said the essence of DMC’s look is “all about cool.”

“It’s about Dante being cool and making you feel cool when you’re playing it, and so the combat and the style system and everything is integral to that,” Antoniades told 1UP.

“But, you know, what was cool 12 years ago – I think that was when the first game came out [It actually came out nine years ago for PS2 - JC] – isn’t cool any more.

“If Dante, dressed as he was, walked into any bar outside of Tokyo, he’d get laughed out.

“What Devil May Cry did when it launched was it brought everything that was great about action cinema like the fashion, music – it was like a cultural melting pot – and I feel like now, for Devil May Cry to have that same impact, it needs to draw on new things.

“New music, new ways of cinematography, new fashion.”

There was a strong reaction to DMC’s character design last week, with many being heavily critical of Dante’s emo look.

Original DMC creator Hideki Kamiya instantly came out against the series reboot, but Antoniades said he likes Kamiya’s effort since, the Platinum-developer Bayonetta.

Nearly.

“I love the game. I think it’s awesome. It’s taken everything – it’s just gone to a total extreme.

“But in terms of, ‘Do I think it’s cool?’ No, not at all. I think it’s caricatured and over-the-top and very ‘Japanesey,’ and for that absurd style it does that really well, but that’s not what I want.”

The new art style has been worked on for the past year, with the story only being worked on now.

Smells like teen angst

Capcom US producer Alex Jones added that some of the proposed designs for Dante’s younger version were far more extreme than the final cut.

“We had a shirtless version of Dante, with just suspenders. That went nowhere,” Jones told Kotaku.

“It looked like he had just stumbled out of a Clash concert. That was as far out as Ninja Theory went with the character design.

“When [Keiji] Inafune saw it he said, ‘I don’t think so.’”

While the game will be something of an origin story for Dante, Jones added the reboot was needed to make “the game relevant to the current times.”

“Look at the Dark Knight,” said Jones. “That went from the Gothic fun house of the earlier Batman movies, to a fairly dark look at Chicago crime today.

“We want to update and mature the tone of Devil May Cry.”

There’s no date yet, but it’ll be available for PS3 and 360.

82 comments

#51

theevilaires
22/09/10, 3:57 pm

Plus he looks like that Tameem Antoniades dude. For real this guy has some balls I’m telling you to make Dante this way. Personally I could care about the new style but come fucking on he looks like this guy http://heavenlynariko.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/enslaved-interview-with-tameem-antoniades/

Look at the hair styles. Plus he’s the lead designer. Come fucking on. I want to punch this guy in the face seriously for being that much of a prick. He wants to be fucking Dante in his wet dreams let him go to a costume shop and buy the get up (Halloween is right around the corner) but to try and establish himself as an icon of gaming FUCK NO.

Thats where I draw the line and this bobble head freak is taking it too far. I’m not buying this game if Dante looks like this guy.

#52

Michael O’Connor
22/09/10, 4:00 pm

People who think they the new design for Dante was even remotely inspired by Tameem Antoniades’s own appearance seriously need to get their eyes checked.

The kinds of leaps in logic that people on the internet make nowadays is fucking hilarious.

#53

OLD Dante
22/09/10, 4:02 pm

Look At This pic LOL
Designed By Frobary (my friend)

http://s7.aks98.com/images/95094098839763632262.jpg

#54

The Hindle
22/09/10, 4:40 pm

Personally i think he looks like Brandon Lee and i can see a bit of Heath Ledgers joker as well. NT meh they cant even put a fucking jump button in thier games.

#55

DuckOfDestiny
22/09/10, 5:32 pm

I’m all for a reboot of the series, but the new Dante is certainly not cool, more like a prick.

#56

osric90
22/09/10, 5:59 pm

Oh my God… If anyone would dress as any character of any game they will be lookd and and maybe laughed at. I’m starting to think Ninja Theory is a bunch or retards. Thanks for ruining Dante and Enslaved, yes, that game. Seems to be another one on the bunch.

#57

Neolucifer
22/09/10, 6:13 pm

@52
Leap of logic ? they have now multiple times modeled people they know into their games . hell nariko’s facial features commes from an known actress .

Not buying it however , as it’s imo just a coincidence , and an issue with his taste in (ugly) hairstyle , and (poor) taste in design .

#58

AHA-Lambda
22/09/10, 6:17 pm

fuck you NT, you wouldnt know good character design if it hut you with a mallet…which is what looks like happened to all of your characters

#59

Michael O’Connor
22/09/10, 6:26 pm

Those who don’t like the new design will get a laugh out of this: http://www.thegamingvault.com/2010/09/dante-gives-dmc-fans-the-middle-finger/

#60

spiderLAW
22/09/10, 7:03 pm

@50
Where the hell do you think style and fashion comes from Mike?
Everything that we consider ‘Original’ and different all come from a mixture of old styles that people in the past have already done so therefore by your example or statement of Emo existing before the new Emo, DUH! Originality rarely exists in today’s world and fashion is not one of those places where it doesn’t exist.
Emopunker is the new fashion and is growing rapidly. Hell, even the little wannabe rappers here in Cali are using emopunk fashion and attitude.
The Youth of today just becomes more and more idiotic as time goes on. Especially when we have Kids thinking that they can become a CEO of a high end business while going to their first job interview in a Wife beater, flip flops and board shorts.
Or EMOs coming in for their first with a lack of enthusiasm.
Anyways…back to Dante.
A redesign of Dante is fine….just not this one. This NEW Dante is just plain wrong. They could have just dressed him up as a girl and that would have been just as good.

#61

YoungZer0
22/09/10, 8:21 pm

@58: What the fuck do you know about design? Better not talk about things you don’t understand.

@60: I’m sorry but Dante is not Emo-Punk. He’s old school Punk. End of story. Seriously you sound like an old fart. “People today are idiots.” Guess what people always been idiots. Your youth and their style sucked just as hard as this generation. Better go down from your mighty horse. Especially if your immense ignorance. Don’t understand why Mike wastes his time with morons like you. You clearly don’t seem to understand anything about style or fashion.

#62

AHA-Lambda
22/09/10, 8:27 pm

@61 – sorry since when did i need to know how to bake a cake to know when one tastes like shit??

Dante looks horrible, the main character from enslaved looks horrible
most of their characters they’ve ever done actually have looked horrible except for nariko who they copied bloody verbatim for the enslaved female lead!

#63

Johnny Cullen
22/09/10, 8:28 pm

I agree with Michael in saying that new Dante look is nowhere near the look of Tameem.

And the bashing of him is a bit overboard as well. I’m no PR, but when I met him in Barcelona while I was seeing Enslaved, he seemed genuine. He really cares about the games he and Ninja Theory makes.

Passionate, basically (not Molyneux passionate, obviously, but still passionate enough).

Not to mention, a good guy to interview. That said, it has only been once. But I came away from Spain with a good impression of him.

That’s just my two cents anyways.

#64

YoungZer0
22/09/10, 8:29 pm

@62: Well, because your taste sucks? I’m sorry but that’s the truth. Dante looks awesome. He’s looks absolutely unique. Never ever did we have a character like this before. Same goes for Monkey. NT really knows their stuff.

You clearly don’t.

#65

AHA-Lambda
22/09/10, 8:42 pm

“I’m sorry but that’s the truth.”

subjectivity taken as fact now? Whos the troll now? Ass.

#66

YoungZer0
22/09/10, 8:58 pm

@65: Don’t blame me for playing by the rules you made up.

#67

spiderLAW
22/09/10, 9:21 pm

@ YoungZer0
Offended at all by my comments? Clearly you have something up your ass. I was having an adult conversation with Mike so you can take your childish antics to some place where people might give a crap about the vomit that spews out of your mouth(mind). Son.

You really have no clue about what you speak of. My comment on the emopunks and youth have nothing to do with their fashion sense in the 1 sentence you read. It has to do with their ignorance towards honor, self-respe…….I will stop explaining this to you because you obviously have selective reading/hearing/thinking as you have clearly missed everything I had said except for whatever it is YOU found so offensive enough to take the defensive.

Again. They say that they tried modernizing Dante. In what kind of concept designer’s mind does an 80s look become modernized? If he/she truly intended on modernizing the character he/she wouldn’t have picked an out dated style. So unless the artist is a complete moron, you would obviously see that the style he was going for was Emopunk.

Grow Up kid. Then come back and try to have an adult conversation.

#68

Callum
22/09/10, 10:59 pm

There is so much hate on this site! Why is everyone so ANGRY! Pat, I think you need to re-arrange something to get the chi back in flow…or what ever its called

#69

spiderLAW
22/09/10, 11:13 pm

@68
Tea and Crumpets?

#70

daytripper
22/09/10, 11:16 pm

coffee for me and a bacon butty

#71

Isaaclarke37
23/09/10, 12:26 am

I am still not convinced.

#72

Monk
23/09/10, 1:04 am

* SPOILER IF YOU DIDN `T PLAY DMC 4 *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySY5YMoBp7c&feature=player_embedded#!

All I saying is we will miss him, we really do !!

#73

GitForceGemini
23/09/10, 1:17 am

I’m not going to take lectures in what’s cool from a guy who designs his female characters with red spaghetti for hair.

#74

venomcarnage
24/09/10, 6:16 am

the name of this game is devil may cry
not cool may cry and how he is cool by smoking or go to prison
the old dante must come

#75

venomcarnage
24/09/10, 1:25 pm

this game now is like resident evil and saw in the draw and marvel
but devil may cry must be have religion draw not houses
and where is vergil and nero fuck to this game name

#76

Someguy112233
26/09/10, 10:47 am

Excuse me Tameem Antoniades. you think Dante would get laughed At with his original Design?

EXCUSE ME, look at the fucking mess you made! Dante Looked Better back then, WAY BETTER then his Stupid looking counterpart! This Dante would not just be laughed at, But be Beaten up, bullied, and Car Drivers Running over him on purpose

And The Games Are still cool, EVEN TO THIS DAY

You sir, are a FUCKING moron! no, More then a Fucking moron, You have a brain Capacity of a Roach!

DMC 1, 2, 3 and 4. When you played the games, it made you feel Cool, it was Cool, Dante, Vergil, trish, Lady EVEN FUCKING Nero Was All Badass

This. THIS MESS, is not Cool, Its a Down right Sloppy, And i bet when people play this, its gonna make them Feel Dirty, Dirty of how right DISGUESTED They are!

The songs they played, Where Cool, the song you played in the Trailer, Was not, What was that, Justin beiber Playing?

if I EVER meet you, i Want to go up to you, and Throw a Briefcase at your Head because of how Downright RETARDED you are!

And You guys, NINJA Theory, Have Not made a Good Game YET, No, All your Crappy Ass Games, Are worth SHIT

PS: Are you also Suggesting Smoke is cool? looking like a Guy who was Beaten Shitless is cool? What are you? Fucking 8?

#77

Someguy112233
26/09/10, 10:52 am

Also, no offence to any Japanese people, i just Got to say this

But the things THOSE PEOPLE wear, Dante would look like a Normal Person Compare to those Guys!

And he wasn’t Even born anywhere NEAR tokyo To be honest, He wasn’t in like Ramen shops or Places that Had Japanese Text and all that shit, it was more like he was in Germany or The USA Of New York!

#78

Someguy112233
26/09/10, 11:12 am

this is my Last One for, EVER actually, i only made this account to BITCH about how fucking stupid this guy is

When did fucking Games Became a Fashion show?

or when Did Games have to become Real? What, you implying that your making the Game more ‘realistic’? Dude, What the fuck, Seriously.

games are not suppose to be base on in Real life Thats what Makes them “fantasy” Games.

And Your Thoughts about “Fashion” Is also stupid, GOTH, or Emo, Is a Fashion Statement, But its also a Bad one, Why? Because thats why people get Bullied SO fucking much in todays Society!

and you dumbasses saying “oh the old hairstyle of dante Is Stupid, it looks like fucking jusin beiber, this new one is Great, cause it looks like ect” ALMOST EVERYONE HAS THAT FUCKING HAIRSTYLE YOU FUCKING SMUCKS! EVEN I DO! ITS BECAUSE I DONT PUT FUCKING GELL IN MY HAIR! and Dante does not look like a Pop singer FROM TOKYO! He looks more Western cowboyish in the 4th one!

AUGh, You have no idea of how PISSED i Really am at these types of people, WHY Is this world Full of Fucking IDIOTS?! EVERY, on the net, At home, at school, at Work, AT FUCKING EVERYWHERE, Is idiots!

And ninja theory, YOU GUYS are the Biggest idiots i have EVER encountered in my life

GO learn what cool and What GAMES and REALITY Fit in That Small iron box you Call A BRAIN!

#79

Scady
27/09/10, 6:58 pm

AND THE REST IS SILENCE…

#80

Screwninjatheory
06/02/11, 8:18 am

Ninja theory, kindly go die, i was starting to like the new character except the smoking, which is jus EFFING stupid, now back to the real reason im pissed, if the original dante walked into any bar in japan the way he was theyd bow down to him you dumb SOB i mean really wtf is wrong with you now he looks like a punk with an attitude problem, that no one will like. I hope that this project gets cursed and all of you die making it >.> Sincerely another fan of the original dante who hates your guts with all his heart and soul

#81

Telepathic.Geometry
06/02/11, 9:08 am

Wow.

#82

monkeygourmet
06/02/11, 9:31 am

Really enjoyed Enslaved and was upset to hear it sell so badly, but, this Re-boot idea that seems to have recently cropped up in gaming / movies is getting out of hand. Gotham Night & Batman Begins are often used as movie examples of re-boots done right but this is bullshit, they weren’t re-boots, they simple had the character down better than the few bullshit kiddie friendly films previously (Batman & Robin, Batman Forever)… Comopared to those films anything is gonna seem good… As for Dante, it’s a fucking video game, this:

“But, you know, what was cool 12 years ago – I think that was when the first game came out isn’t cool any more.” attitude doesn’t really apply. If your that worried about someones clothes being relevent now, just make a new franchise… video game Characters these days are hardly going to stand the test of time if your basing them on Twillight style fads…

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