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Pachter: Natal and Move “upgrade” 360 and PS3

Sunday, 16 May 2010 08:26 GMT By Joe Anderson

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Speaking on the latest version of GameTrailers show Pach Attack, Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Patcher has said he thinks Natal and Move are going to allow Microsoft and Sony to boost their respective console’s power.

In response to a question regarding whether console manufacturers could allow for their systems to be upgraded in the future, Patcher said:

“We are going to see an upgrade with Natal and Move, so the console manufacturers are open to it but I don’t think they are ready to allow you to upgrade a graphics card.”

The analyst added that adding system spec with additional hardware in this way is preferable for the first party’s as they’re none too keen on having people whack in extra grunt by physically opening console.

“I think that if companies were to allow users to upgrade consoles in the future, any upgrades would have to be external,” he said.

“I say that not because it is technologically impossible but it is just that the boxes right now are made to be tamper proof.

“They’re intended for people not to open them up and put mod chips in them… If you can open it and upgrade components, then you can figure out a way to overcome digital rights, put in a mod chip and then rip off all the software and all your friends’ software and play it all on your console.

“The console manufacturers have no interest in allowing that to happen.”

An upgrade it may be, but there’s been heavy talk of Natal being technically scaled back from its original vision.

Natal is going to play a key part in Microsoft’s E3 showing next month, with the motion camera getting its own LA event on Sunday, June 13. A launch date is expected at the show, but has recently been pegged as October by MS staff.

Move, PS3′s motion wand, is yet to be dated.

You can watch Michael Patcher’s show in full here.

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29 Comments

  1. one million

    So that’s why PS3s are so hard to crack, it’s the sturdy plastic casing! Daaaaamn.

    #1 5 years ago
  2. ybfelix

    Slow news day, I see.

    #2 5 years ago
  3. Robo_1

    It’s called a Sunday!

    #3 5 years ago
  4. Retroid

    /Tries to plug 32X into PS3

    #4 5 years ago
  5. mojo

    captain obvious strikes again.

    /falls asleep

    #5 5 years ago
  6. c0d3m45t3r

    I still don’t understand where this Patcher guy came from. He himself said that he was really a nobody when it comes to game development/journalism/statistics. He is someone in an insurance company? So why is he quoted all over the internet?

    #6 5 years ago
  7. PS3_Rules

    Does anybody really care what he has to say? I mean anyone who calls the Playstation Move a Wii HD is obviously an complete idiot.

    You can clearly see the huge difference, especially after playing games like Monster Buck Hunter on the Wii, you literally don’t aim at what you’re shooting, you aim at the stupid Wii sensor bar.
    It’s just flat out ridiculous to call the Playstation Move a Wii in HD, Pachter must be blind not to see the difference & he’s very ignorant when it comes to motion controls, he is a total failure.

    #7 5 years ago
  8. Erthazus

    @7 he is saying in terms of market.
    Actually, PS3 with Playstation move is a Wii HD. More precise or better, it’s still is a Wii HD.

    #8 5 years ago
  9. PS3_Rules

    @8

    You keep telling yourself that, I’m sure all the 360 fanboys do.

    The Wii is a flash gun with motion sensors and the Move is not, to say it’s a Wii HD is simply idiotic.

    #9 5 years ago
  10. Erthazus

    @9 In terms of technology it is not a Wii HD, in terms of market recognition it is a Wii HD, you can say what you want but this is what most of people recognize from Move.

    Let me explain: Ps3 can play HD? Can. + Now we can use a wand in or hand that is similar to Wii motion controller with sub controller? Yup. = Wii HD.

    and thats what Pachter is saying.

    #10 5 years ago
  11. PS3_Rules

    By saying “in terms of market recognition” is just a nice way of saying stupid people will think it’s a Wii HD.
    So like I already said, you 360 fanboys can just keep telling yourselves that, whatever makes you feel better.

    “Now we can use a wand in or hand that is similar to Wii motion controller with sub controller?”
    No it is not “similar” at all really.

    But still to call the Playstation Move a Wii HD is purely idiotic as there is plenty of things the Playstation Move is capable of that the Wii is not or ever will be.

    Only simple minded people think the Move is a Wii HD when in fact it is not, not even close.

    #11 5 years ago
  12. DaMan

    The King?

    #12 5 years ago
  13. Erthazus

    @14

    “OK, it’s black not white.. Happy?”

    Wii have a black version :D

    “Basically you’re saying don’t talk about the key differences”

    Typical consumer don’t give a shit about differences. The experience is going to be the same: Wagling like an idiot, but this time experience will be smoother because Playstation Move have BETTER precise and technology.

    Core of the technology is absolutely the same and that makes Playstation 3 as this generation Wii HD.

    #13 5 years ago
  14. PS3_Rules

    OK, it’s black by default.. Happy?
    Basically you’re saying don’t talk about the key differences but tell me how it’s different, that’s about as idiotic as calling the Playstation Move a Wii HD.

    #14 5 years ago
  15. Erthazus

    @14

    “OK, it’s black not white.. Happy?”

    Wii have a black version :D

    “Basically you’re saying don’t talk about the key differences”

    Typical consumer don’t give a shit about differences and thats important. The experience is going to be the same: Wagling like an idiot, but this time experience will be smoother because Playstation Move have BETTER precise and technology.

    Core of the technology is absolutely the same and that makes Playstation 3 as this generation Wii HD.

    #15 5 years ago
  16. Galactic_Barret

    Seriously, PS3 + Move is Wii HD. I’m both proud of and happy about that fact. That means plenty of HD Wii ports, new 3rd party exclusives specifically for the Move, and Sony’s own special brand of 1st party gold. Getting a peripheral that mimics the Wii, upgraded, for a fraction of its price is a good thing. At least I think so.

    And enough with the ‘fanboy’ name dropping. PS3 is the only current gen system I own, and I perfectly understand and agree with Pachter on this Wii HD front.

    #16 5 years ago
  17. Erthazus

    @16 Absolutely agree with you. I never said that PS3 as the Wii HD is a bad thing.
    It really can bring what Nintendo can’t do.

    #17 5 years ago
  18. PS3_Rules

    Anyone who says the Playstation Move is a Wii HD is clearly ignorant of what the Playstation Move is & can do, period.

    Idiotic for sure.

    #18 5 years ago
  19. Galactic_Barret

    Just hush, guy. Please. I’m almost begging, dude. You’re being really defensive over something trivial. You see, I could understand if someone emphasized its “only” a Wii HD, but no one did. Everyone understands that the PS3 (and Move, hopefully) is more capable than the Wii, technically. As a PS3 owner, you’re setting us back 2 years. Knock it off.

    You want to make sure the PS3 gets its due? I’m fine with that, but don’t be an douchebag. Definitely don’t need anymore of those here.

    #19 5 years ago
  20. DaMan

    says the dickrider who recommends others not giving advice on games because their tastes are different, hmm?

    #20 5 years ago
  21. Galactic_Barret

    You gave no advice, though. You only said LoK was terrible and I commented on your poor tastes in games. Don’t be mad. I’m sure you’ll survive my critique.

    #21 5 years ago
  22. PS3_Rules

    “Everyone understands that the PS3 (and Move, hopefully) is more capable than the Wii”

    Adding hopefully to that sentence wasn’t smart, because all you have to do is watch the Playstation Move in action to see it’s superiority to the Wii, I mean on the Wii when you play a shooting game you don’t even aim at what you’re shooting at, you aim at the Wii’s sensor on the Playstation Move you aim at the screen and exactly what you’re shooting at, so to say hopefully about something being more capable about something that is obviously better isn’t very bright.
    Let me ask you this: what would you rather aim at, the screen or the Wii’s sensor bar? it’s really common sense.
    Had you not said hopefully I would have just left it alone.
    I stand by my “to say it’s a Wii HD is simply idiotic” sentence.

    #22 5 years ago
  23. Galactic_Barret

    Guy, what are you talking about? I said hopefully, everyone knows the Move is more powerful. As in, I would like to believe everyone realizes as much. Stick to whatever you want, but you’re very wrong. I know about the Move and the PSEye, I know about the Wii and its sensor bar. I’m fine calling it a Wii HD, that sensor bar doesn’t factor because its unimportant to the generalization.

    Your overreacting is ok. Just wish you didn’t have PS3 in your name.

    #23 5 years ago
  24. Erthazus

    @Ps3_Fanboy, who fucking cares about technology when you use it the same way as Wii mote? No one cares. I say NO ONE!
    Another great marketing move, but now from sony to make fanbots think that: Our Dildo is NOT a Wii mote.

    Open your eyes. It’s a Wii (PS Move) HD (Shitty otdated HD hardware). thats it buddy. Say what you want, but this is truth. No one cares that the PS Move motion controller features an orb at the head which can glow in any of a full range of colors using RGB light-emitting diodes to track movements.
    No one cares.

    #24 5 years ago
  25. PS3_Rules

    Again you’re both ignorant of what the Playstation Move can do, it hilarious how bent out of shape you kids get because you think it’s just a Wii HD when it’s obviously far from it, HILARIOUS.
    And once again, to say it’s a Wii HD is blatant stupidity at it’s finest. ;)

    I believe the Playstation Move Kevin Butler from the future commercial said it best. “because real boxers don’t fight like this”

    #25 5 years ago
  26. Gheritt White

    *slow clap*

    #26 5 years ago
  27. Erthazus

    @25 wash your brains out of marketing campaign.
    Kevin Butler slapped Natal too and what?

    And i’m not ignorant of what Playstation Move can do, but CORE mechanics of that device is straight from Wii mote. Fact.

    Only blatant fanboys with the PS3_Rules will say that it is teh revolution. I agree that it does everything right what Wii does wrong, but it’s a freakin’ Wii mote and everybody recognize it as the Wii mote.
    Like Natal is a Playstation Eye rip off but with 3d depth.

    Grow up seriously.

    #27 5 years ago
  28. PS3_Rules

    Like I said before you just keep telling yourself that, you might even start to believe it. ;)

    #28 5 years ago
  29. Galactic_Barret

    Me? Ignorant of the Move? Surely, you jest. I’ve seen every dev diary, every column by Dr. Marks on the subject.

    This is a pretty sad day. You have single-handedly confirmed all the stupid things I didn’t want to believe about PS fanboys. Irrational, reactionary, obtuse. You raze the ground to make a point, including all well-wishers and supporters. The sole reason gamers and the internet annoy me: In any face-to-face conversation, no one would be this purposely obtuse.

    #29 5 years ago

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    Codemasters has announced its F1 franchise will make its series debut on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One this June with the release of F1 2015. The game was developed using a new engine and contains improved handling and physics for all vehicles and parts attached. This includes: engine, transmission, aerodynamics, fuel tank, force feedback, suspension […]

  • Mortal Kombat X video confirms Liu Kang as playable character

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  • Short teaser for Star Wars: Battlefront shows the Battle of Hoth

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  • Pillars of Eternity releases today – get all the review scores here

    Pillars of Eternity, which still stands as the second most-funded video game on Kickstarter, finally releases today. It’s also getting some rather positive reviews scores, which we’ve rounded up for you. The isometric, party-based RPG from Obsidian Entertainment was one of the first video game projects to take to Kickstarter, and hit its $1.1 million […]

  • Take an in-depth look at Evolve’s Behemoth monster and four new hunters

    Evolve’s fourth monster, the Behemoth, as well as the four new hunters are shown off in new gameplay video. Evolve’s latest gameplay trailer gives everyone a good look at each of the four new hunters and the massive Behemoth monster. The hunters can be bought either separately or though the hunting pass, while the monster […]

  • PS4 firmware update 2.50 causing issues with Killzone: Shadow Fall

    The suspend/resume feature in PlayStation 4′s 2.50 firmware update is causing some issues with Killzone: Shadow Fall. Killzone: Shadow Fall developer Guerrilla has said that the game is experiencing some issues in some instance where the suspend/resume feature is used. The timing of when players put the game in suspend mode does have an effect, […]

  • Bungie on Destiny matchmaking: “We believe there’s no substitute for a pre-made team”

    Crazy though this may seem, it’s possible that Destiny shipped according to plan. History points to community as a crucial component, far from the contingency that many now suspect. Paul Davies spoke to Bungie for clarity. “The community always engineers the best solutions for bringing players together. While Matchmaking is a great resource for introducing […]

  • Bloodborne works with suspend/resume, but only offline

    PlayStation 4′s newly-added suspend/resume feature works with Bloodborne as you’d expect, but only while offline. PlayStation 4 received the long-awaited suspend/resume feature today as part of firmware 2.50, and people are starting to test it out with various games. Bloodborne does work with the feature, but only if you play offline. Playing online is arguably […]

  • This is what Crossy Road looks like in first-person

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  • Take a small behind-the-scenes peek at Mass Effect 4

    BioWare cinematic director Ken Thain has given us a very slim look behind the scenes at some motion capture work from the upcoming Mass Effect game. The upcoming Mass Effect game, whether it ends up being called Mass Effect 4 or not, will most definitely incorporate some form of motion capture work. How do we […]

  • Borderlands: The Handsome Collection – 8GB day one patch on PS4, 16GB on Xbox One

    Day one patches for Borderlands: The Handsome Collection are pretty hefty. Both the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One versions of Borderlands: The Handsome Collection require players to download lots of gigabytes to make the experience as smooth as possible. The PlayStation 4 version has an 8.31GB day one patch. The Xbox One version however has […]

  • Get a PlayStation 4 with Bloodborne and The Last of Us for $435

    If you’ve been waiting for the perfect game to get to buy a PlayStation 4, there’s no better time than the present. Amazon is offering a good PlayStation 4 bundle at the moment. For $434.99, you get a PlayStation 4 console, The Last of Us, and Bloodborne. The Last of Us is of course the […]

  • Upcoming Battlefield Hardline patch to nerf the K10, buff battle rifles

    Battlefield Hardline’s first patch will focus on weapon balance and a few changes have been proposed. Battlefield Hardline lead multiplayer designer Thaddeus Sasser posted a few of the balance changes that the team is considering for the next patch. K10: reduce bullet damage to 33 Saiga and PTR: reduce recoil to bring more in line […]

  • Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 and a new Resident Evil game coming this year, according to research firm

    According to digital games analyst SuperData, a new Resident Evil game is due this fall and that this year’s Call of Duty is Black Ops 3. In its latest report on digital console games, research and analytics firm SuperData revealed that a new Resident Evil is coming this fall. “We anticipate this month’s downturn to […]

  • Bloodborne: you can add gestures to your messages

    As players get deeper into Bloodborne, they keep uncovering so many of its little new additions, including this one. Bloodborne, like all of the Souls games before it, allows players to leave messages for other players. These messages could be used to point players towards impending doom, treasure, or just be sarcastic and witty. What […]

  • PlayStation 4 firmware update 2.50 is now live

    PlayStation 4 firmware update version 2.50 has started rolling out. Reports are coming in saying that Yukimura, PlayStation 4′s firmware 2.50 has been made available to download. The update is clocking in at just 245mb, so get downloading. 2.50 brings with it many new additions, including the suspend/resume feature, backup and restore, accessibility options and […]

  • Harley Quinn DLC for Batman: Arkham Knight is a prequel

    Batman: Arkham Knight’s Harley Quinn pre-order DLC is set before the events of the main game, according to Amazon’s description. Today we learned a few details about the pre-order DLC for Batman: Arkham Knight, namely the Harley Quinn one. According to the description on Amazon, the DLC takes place in the lead-up to the events […]

  • Bloodborne Vicar Amelia summon mystery solved

    Bloodborne players unable to summon near Vicar Amelia: here’s your solution. Bloodborne’s secrets are unfolding by the hour as clever players piece together From Software’s cunning design. Yesterday we reported problems summoning in the Cathedral Ward, before the Vicar Amelia boss fight. It turns out this isn’t a bug – or if it is, it’s […]

  • Steven Spielberg will direct film adaption of Ready Player One

    Steven Spielberg will direct the film adaption of the sci-fi, virtual world, video game themed novel Ready Player One by Ernest Cline. Warner Bros. bought the rights to the film in June 2010 and hired screenwriter Zak Penn to rewrite the previous draft written by Eric Eason, according to Deadline. The book takes place in […]

  • Bloodborne players with PS4 headsets shouldn’t forget about the custom audio

    Here’s a friendly reminder for Bloodborne players with PS4 headsets: be sure to download the Headset Companion App from the PlayStation store if you haven’t already. As previously reported, the game supports a custom Bloodborne audio mode which can be uploaded. It contains custom audio created by developers specifically tuned to enhance the audio. This […]

  • EA explains why FIFA Ultimate Team transfer prices are now platform specific

    EA has posted a blog entry explaining its FIFA Ultimate Team transfer market price ranges which now include platform-specific pricing in order to best the coin sellers. EA said it has implemented the changes to FUT over the last several weeks because it should be “fair and fun for every player,” ultimately coming to the […]

  • Game of Thrones: Episode 3 – The Sword in the Darkness now available

    In case you forgot, Game of Thrones: Episode 3 – The Sword in the Darkness was released today. It is available on Mac, PC, PlayStation 3, PS4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One. The third episode releases on iOS devices and Android tomorrow, March 26. The Sword in the Darkness finds Asher Forrester heading to Mereen […]

  • Bloodborne players are already documenting their crazy antics

    Bloodborne has been available for almost two days now in North America, and already players are posting interesting clips and character customization choices for the game. Below are interesting takes on creating a character and videos of a frustrating death and another full of blood coming from a very painful place – monster or not. […]

  • FIFA Ultimate Team celebrates sixth year in existence with giveaways

    FIFA Ultimate Team is celebrating its sixth year in existence with special events running from today until March 29. According to EA, every FUT fan will be handed one free pack every day, and those who play at least one match in the FUT Birthday Cup will have a chance to win rare “tradable In-Forms” […]

  • Halo Online is a F2P PC game in development exclusively for Russia – video

    Halo Online is a free-to-play game which will launch this spring in Russia, and is in development with Saber Interactive. According the reveal event attended by IGN Russia, the game was designed to run well on lower-end PCs and runs on a modified Halo 3 engine. The game is set on a secret UNSC space […]

  • SteamWorld Dig Xbox One release expected in late May

    SteamWorld Dig is coming to Xbox One, developer Image & Form has announced. A firm release date hasn’t been announced, but the studio expects the title to arrive on the system in late May. “We’re preparing quite an elaborate Easter egg for the Xbox One version – a gaming thing that we really wanted to […]

  • SMITE celebrating first anniversary with a sale on skins, Ultimate God Pack

    Hi-Rez Studios is celebrating the first anniversary of SMITE with a sale. From today through Friday, March 27, the Ultimate God Pack, which includes all current and future Gods, will run you $19.99. Alll individual pre-launch skins are 50% off, and all Gem Packs will award bonus gems. In addition, from March 27-29, all SMITE […]

  • Borderlands 2 has sold around 12 million copies, says Gearbox

    Speaking with Microsoft’s Major Nelson in his podcast, Gearbox Software boss Randy Pitchford stated Borderlands 2 has sold somewhere around the 12 million mark. As of August 2014, it was announced by Take-Two in its financial report the 2012 game had sold-in 10 million units. Pitchford noted in the podcast he learned of the figures […]

  • Broken Age releasing on PS4 and Vita same day as Act 2 on PC

    Double Fine Productions has announced it will release Broken Age on the PlayStation Store next month. Act 2 will also be released on PC. The full Broken Age adventure will release on PlayStation 4 and Vita on April 28 in North America and April 29 in Europe. It features cross-buy and cross-save. Broken Age Act […]

  • Star Citizen earned another $1 million within two weeks – total hits $76 million

    Star Citizen continues its funding streak with backers pumping another $1 million into the game’s development in the last two weeks. The total earned for the space sim has now reached $76 million ($76,015,532 to be exact) with 851,395 backers contributing to the staggering figure. Star Citizen’s latest update was version 1.1 which included two […]

  • Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, Resident Evil Revelations 2 and Battlefield: Hardline top Media Create charts

    Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, Resident Evil Revelations 2 and Battlefield: Hardline were the big ticket debuts during the March 16-2 period in Japan, with each game claiming the top three slots on the Media Create charts, respectively. Final Fantasy Type-0 HD moved 92,094 on PlayStation 4, while Resident Evil Revelations 2 moved 73,373 units on […]

  • You can now learn English or Spanish on Xbox One with the Rosetta App

    Want to learn English or Spanish? Rosetta Stone has an App for that on Xbox One. According to the language teaching firm, Rosetta Stone’s Discover Languages, the new application teaches English and Spanish by way of immersive simulation. Users will virtually travel to learn vocabulary and grammar “necessary for real-world interactions.” Here’s how it works: […]

  • PayDay 2 and PayDay: The Heist have sold over 9 million units combined

    The PayDay franchise is a lucrative IP for Starbreeze and Overkill, as both games combined have sold over 9 million copies as of November 2014. The company has also sold over 8 million paid DLC packages since PayDay 2 was released in 2013 (via NeoGAF). In its Q2 half year report issued in February, net […]

  • Nintendo wants to “surprise” customers with NX, not expand upon existing hardware

    Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has firm wants to “surprise” players with its new NX system. Speaking in an interview with Nikkei, translated by Kotaku, Iwata wouldn’t go into details on the new system, but stated expanding on a current gaming system would be “dull.” “In the past few years, the idea of what [encompasses] a […]

  • Kojima Station show suspended

    In another episode in the the ongoing kerfuffle between Hideo Kojima and Konami, the publisher has suspended the Kojima Station web show. Recent tweets from the newly created Japanese Metal Gear Solid account confirm that Kojima Station will not be broadcast tomorrow, but would not provide a date for the next episode. The Tweets were […]

  • Watch Battle Royale for free this weekend on Xbox Live

    Square Enix is celebrating the launch of Final Fantasy Type-0 HD by offering Xbox Live members in the UK a free rental of Battle Royale. Starting Saturday, March 28 and through Sunday, March 29, Xbox Live members in the UK will be able to rent Battle Royale through the Xbox Video Store, for free. The […]

  • Bloodborne journal, part 1: managing anxiety on the path to the Cleric Beast

    Bloodborne is both like and unlike the Souls games. Brenna descends into Yharnam with reluctance and trepidation. Need help succeeding in Bloodborne? You need our Bloodborne walkthrough and boss guide. Bloodborne isn’t Demon’s Souls or Dark Souls. Let’s get that out of the way right off. I enjoyed both Dark Souls games, but it was […]