Vanquish being built on PS3 first to avoid a dodgy port

In my opinion, this is the best way to approach multi-platform development, unless you’re using Cryengine 3.

“In my opinion, this is the best way to approach multi-platform development, unless you’re using Cryengine 3.”

If Sony weren’t such cock-blocks with their hardware, this wouldn’t be an issue. *HAVING* to develop for the more poorly designed hardware just so you can effectively port a game is utterly retarded.

If it means there’s more parity between formats then happy days. Let um do what they like!

O’Connor your hatred for Sony finally comes to light. I’ll have to thank M337ING for his comment, thanks!!

Amazing, it is sooooo difficult because “poorly designed hardware” but yet, Naugthy Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Guerilla Studios, Sucker Punch, Media Modicule, I know these are 1st and 2nd party studios, but Capcom, EA (especially Visceral), Ubisoft, Konami, Rocksteady, freaking Infinity Ward, Square-Enix (with FFXIII), Gearbox, Criterion, Vigil studios. ALL of those have made great exclusives, great ports on this “so called poorly designed hardware”.

How many games have Platinum games made for the PS3? Oh yeah, none! Because Bayo-shit wasn’t made by them, as you know. So how can you expect them to say nice things about developing for the PS3 when they have practically NO experience with it?!

“O’Connor your hatred for Sony finally comes to light. I’ll have to thank M337ING for his comment, thanks!!”

*yawn* Oh please do shut up. Criticism does not = hatred, you moronic little fanboy.

moronic? not fanboy? maybe, but you are pathetic, c’mon, admit it pussy!!

Dear lord, these people get worse and worse.

does anybody know who’s ELPRESADOR?

“There are very few occasions where I will actually directly insult someone …. and I never pull the first punch.”

Who said that this week?

ELPRESADOR?

“There are very few occasions where I will actually directly insult someone …. and I never pull the first punch.”

I fail to see your point. He pulled the first punch.

“O’Connor your hatred for Sony finally comes to light.”

Idiotic comments like this, and I’m more than willing to respond with exactly what I think. Ignorance is neither a privilege nor a right.

I’ve been coming to VG247 since its inception and this is my first post. It’s a shame that the SDF has invaded here like so many other sites.

Why does ANY criticism of the PS3 or its games either elicit a call for hatred of Sony or being called an xbot?

Why can people criticize Microsoft, 360, Wii, Nintendo (even the PSPGo) with less backlash or name calling?

I just don’t understand why the PS3 has to be on some kind of game console pedestal

“Why does ANY criticism of the PS3 or its games either elicit a call for hatred of Sony or being called an xbot?”

I don’t know why exactly, but PS3 fanboys tend to be especially aggressive about their format being criticised. I can only assume the PS3 has a generally younger userbase.

@O’Conner do us all a favor and stay at your cheap ass Gaming Vault site where you think you know anything about gaming because you copy what other sites post! You think because somebody says you always talk shit about Sony their meaning your an XBOX fanboy, Why does that make you an XBOX fanboy, why not a Wii fanboy? By you taking offense to your own accusation looks to me you are in fact an XBOX fanboy that’s not proud to be one!

You wonder why PS3 fanboys take more offense to their console, well I have a theory you remember way back in 2005 when the 360 was released well like my and many other gamers we like to game, we buy any systems that interests us like me we bought a 360 and PS3 on release day. But they are some gamers that liked the PS3 better than the 360 and like me we were hated and bashed by gamers, journalists and even retailers at gamestop and other stores just because we bought a PS3, MS bashed the PS3 even before it released with all the MSNBC bashing and other company that work with MS. This was a sad attempt by MS to slow the sales of the PS3 and make Sony look bad right out the gate. Now I supported both systems while most of my friends were bitching about Sony’s release line-up, which was not bad compared to 360′s release line-up Perfect Dark, Kameo. the more the years past the better are games got as well as more games, even receiving some GOTY awards for there Exclusives. And now that PS3 fanboys start bashing back with the RROD comments and the lack of quality exclusives from the 360 it’s now to much bashing for people to handle but it was OK when MS and the 360 fanboys were doing it. It’s not that they get made it’s the fact they get excited when you bash there systems when it’s thriving like it is! So yeah you can also keep bitching about how hard the PS3 is to develope for even when Sony said they would help devs that needed it. And yet there are still devs out there that have it down and created top quality game that only rivaled by the PC, even though PC has the Obvious advantage in there constantly upgradable tech and the difference isn’t even much at all!

Say what you want about Sony but they did things right this generation devs need to learn how to evolve!

The aggression arises from a mix of general idiocy and a (not entirely unjustified) sense of victimisation. Mainly idiocy, though; the common ground for every breed of fanboy.

Why do many threads which end up in O’Connor getting criticised also end up with people who “rarely post” or are “posting for the first time” either defending him or backing up his viewpoint?

Answers on a postcard to….

“I fail to see your point. He pulled the first punch.”

Part of the point is about insults, and you dish out persoanl insults and name calling aplenty, not rarely, and often with little or no provocation. As for first punches, you throw you’re fair share of firsts. The other day some posters whined about Molyneux, never mentioned you, and you blew a fuse at them as if you were Pete’s Mom. Or stalker.

Drop the holier than thou act and you wouldn’t get so many complaints.

O’Connor go get drunk and fall off a cliff or take a hint from psychotext.

Now on the topic. I hope they ask naughty dog for some tips and remember guys use the CELL to handle most of the work load especially when it comes to the graphics because thats how you take the PS3 to the next level. the CELL is the key people. Unlock its power and you’ll release the true beast that Ken Kuturagi has built.

“…more poorly designed hardware…”

Comments like this are what makes O’Connor appear to be an “xbot.” Poorly designed as far as ease of use perhaps, but the best things don’t come easy. Kutaragi is a mad genius who wrapped an albatros around the necks of the company he had been with for many years by creating this Frankenstein’s Monster of a machine. A machine capable of doing things any other console currently on the market could dream but will never see the light of day, though it requires a different way of programming, giving much of the burden to the CELL. While the negative to such a steep learning curve is seeing fewer smaller developers bring titles to the platform, the positive is that it will encourage and evolve techniques for game design thus pushing the medium forward. So while the lazy and ignorant can say the PS3 is a poorly designed piece of tech, it’s aiding in the maturing and experience of development.

Concerning fanboys:
They’re all morons, pure and simple, seeing what they want to see while ignoring any and all facts present. It is foolish to dismiss the existence of Xbox fanboys who have also flooded to this site like a cancer spreading to the last pure cells left. Fanboyism has expanded beyond the comment forums and into the media itself. Thankfully, the editors and contributors to this site remain unpartisan to any fanboyism, which is why I love this site. And Stephanny Nunnely. The girl has the key to our hearts. lol

On-topic:
I was thrilled to discover Vanquish was going to be developed in-house, but even more so that it is PS3 lead. The technical issues are what prevented me from investing in the PS3 port of Bayonetta. In Mikami we trust! Cannot wait to see how this game turns out, though I wish there would be some type of multiplayer mechanic.

@ sg197

Must be all my duplicate accounts, right? Lord forbid it might simply be that these people simply agree with me and thing you’re wrong. Thanks Aimless, Spaced Oddity, DjFlex, even if you duplicate accounts of mine! *laughs* Even if you don’t agree with my stance on the issue, at least you lot have the ability to discuss the subject like grown adults.

@Taylis

1) Because I have been directly inferred to as an “Xbot” on constant occassions, despite regularly condemning things Microsoft do.

2) Its amazing you say that about my site considering that 1) 99% of VG247′s news is taken from other sites as well, and 2) there are numerous unique articles flying around the site. How about you a little less cheap a tactic than futilely attempting to attack my character?

3) I have, almost without exception, been exclusivly playing my PS3 over my 360 for the past month and a half, laregly due to the fact that ther have been SO MANY BRILLIANT GAMES coming out on it! So no, you don’t have a point. I most certainly have never attacked anyone for owning a PS3. I’ve attacked people solely for being ignorant idiots.

Sure is internet in here.

O’Connor throws his statements around once again ….. just to see if anyone will bite.

If you’re going to try and bait me, at least try to be original about it.

O’Connor FUCK YOU! YOU can suck my COCK!

Ahahahaha. Wow, just… wow…

Oh, internet fanboys.

Michael O’Connor is god ….. Micheal O’Connor is a role model.

Damn straight!

To be honest you all sound like fucking retards you all deserve a slap!

Havent posten in ages but this needs a commnent!

Just because some developers dont know how to develop on PS3, doenst make that system “poorly designed”. If anything is the developer that lacks the skills needed. Yes its different from the 360 system but look at uncharted 2, god of war 3, kz2, mgs4, LBP. All examples of the power of the PS3, IF you know how to develop on it.

Poorly designed hardware? No chance
Different designed hardware? Yes

Poorly would be a matter of opinion i guess. But seeing the immense quality of some ps3 exclusives makes me think that lesser developers dont have the skill, the money needed or the will needed to develop for PS3.

Serious bizniz etc.

Bloody norah!

Its getting hot in here..!! Its been proven time and again that its just lazy developers that dont like the PS3.

haha.. and to be fair, fanboys can bash the PS3 all they want, but theres only one place to play GOW3

“Its been proven time and again that its just lazy developers that dont like the PS3.”

No, it hasn’t been even remotely “proven” in the slightest. It’s opinion.

Question for everyone. Do you think a similar hardware design will be used for PS4?

I don’t think it really matters if the design is better in technical terms, if people don’t have the skills or tools to exploit it then the point is moot.

I always think it’s unfair to label developers as ‘lazy’. Making a game is bloody hard, even a simple one. If one system offers a much easier development process via a more straight-forward architecture and/or better tools then there’s little surprise that developers would favour that route.

Sony miss this trick time and again and the fact that there are awesome games on Sony platforms is absolute proof that developers aren’t the lazy fat-arses that people who’ve never written a line of code in their life paint them out to be.

Awesome games on PS2/PS3 arrived despite the development challenges – but just think how much more awesome they could have been if development had been a breeze?

Well said Blerk. Finding coders talented enough to work with the SPE and having enough money to invest time in properly exploiting it is very hard.

I think now that Sony have sent Krazy Ken out to pasture future consoles from them will be more conventional in their configuration. I suspect Microsoft will have also taught them a lesson about providing more user friendly development tools too.

The Castlevania devs said the same thing.
But Platinum put it in a much nicer way.

“Question for everyone. Do you think a similar hardware design will be used for PS4?”

Sony has *always* developed hard-to-develop for hardware. Apparently the idea is the “squeeze out potential” or some other pretentious crap.

“Awesome games on PS2/PS3 arrived despite the development challenges – but just think how much more awesome they could have been if development had been a breeze?”

Exactly!

@MO’C
“Sony has *always* developed hard-to-develop for hardware.”

I know, but I think they may just have taken the hint this time. They will be ditching the Cell.

We thought they’d have taken the hint after the PS2 though, didn’t we?

I think it’s more likely that the PS4 will be a multi-Cell machine than it is that they’d ditch everything and start again from scratch, providing the Cell’s still an ongoing project by the time they get around to finalizing the PS4′s specs. Everyone should be used to it by then so that would lower the learning curve significantly, and it’d make it much simpler to provide PS3 backwards compatibility.

Last rumours were that they were looking at using an IBM Power7 CPU and more traditional architecture.

Sony and Microsoft should totally team up next time around and make a machine together. If only to see the resulting fanboy implosion.

“I can only assume the PS3 has a generally younger userbase.”
LOL Are you kidding me?!
See this:
http://forum.bazicenter.com/image.php?u=38432&type=sigpic&dateline=1268478852
Does PSN have some kids like this?! does PS3 have VIVA PINATA?!

I cant see the Ps4 being a huge step over the Ps3 hardware wise, i think Sony will do what Nintendo did with the Wii and use enhanced Ps3 parts. They have lost way too much money with the Ps3 to do anything else.

When did VG247 turn into the EG comments section?

@Blerk

Technically they worked together this generation. Sony paid IBM to develop a custom PowerPC core and Microsoft got IBM to steal it.

People are saying the PS3 is a poory designed machine based off what Platinum games say yet if you read that article Mikami says he knows less about making a game for the PS3. There is nothing said about poorly designed in that sentance.

“People are saying the PS3 is a poory designed machine based off what Platinum games say”

Uuuuh… no. People are saying the PS3 is a poorly designed machine that is hard to develop for due to a rudimentary understanding of technology and years of proof. Platinum Games is just a recent example.

Console based on basic PC architecture Console based on complex architecture.

What examples can you offer then O connor that the Ps3 is a poorly designed machine, apart from the obvious Bayonetta port? If all the consoles were designed the same gaming would be boring, the cell processor has shown its incredibly powerfull if used right with games like Uncharted 2 and Gow 3.

Every single game with a mandatory installation.