Modern Warfare 2 becomes second best-selling game ever in UK

yep when you console gamers was playing golden eye we pc gamers were playing cod games. That is how adanved we are over console gaming.

Erm…

Goldeneye released August 1997
CoD released October 2003

BDH, you are a tool.

You were playing CoD in 1997? Man, given it wasn’t released until 2003 that means you have access to time travel equipment. Care to share?

man the iorny man alot of people are really slow these days. Oh wait I am talking to cave men I forgot…lol

LOL!

Modern Warfare sheep.
Ugh.
Here’s hopign that Uncharted 2 takes game of the year at the baftas though.

@6 Its the only one that deserves it, that’s for shizzle.

True.
I have noticed quite a backlash against MW2 for the MP being broken, and not as good as CoD4.
It was always going to be tough to follow really.

@8 Or maybe you’re just talking out of your ass. I’ve played both games to death and while they aren’t flawless (take shotgun lag as case and point) they’re without a doubt the most tuned and precise shooters around, on top of being one of the fastest games out there in terms of not wasting your time with inane tasks.

For comparison I’m playing BC2 at the moment, and finding a game can take anywhere from 2 minutes, to 5 minutes, to 10 minutes on a horrible day. In MW2, I press one button and I’m playing.

There are always gonna be trolls when a game starts beating records and setting the standard, but I think anyone, beyond the most casual gamers (and including the rabble rousers) fully realize what MW2 represents in terms of quality.

@ 6: I’m hoping for Assassin’s Creed 2, personally. Uncharted 2 is fantastic specimen of its type, but AC2 is in a league of its own, IMHO.

@9
I don’t troll anything, certainly not just because something has sold well.

But I have it from several good CoD players, that spawning is broken (hehe, I think I used to sing that at primary school), perks are overpowered and camping is rife.
The maps apparently aren’t as tight or well designed either.

When someone that you know, who LOVES CoD goes off MW2 after a short period of time ranting about all the things that make it poor, you know something has gone wrong.

Spawning: Not amazing, but it depends on which game type you’re playing and your style of play. It’s a minor thing, anyway.

Perks: Yeah sure. They are definitely overpowered when you’re getting totally pwned because you’re a complete n00b. In other words, bad players tend to blame the game rather than their own ability to cope with something simple.

Camping: Find me a single FPS where camping isn’t rife. This is down to the players, not the game.

Sure, MW2 has it’s problems, and if you could hear the things that I say about it at times, you’d think that I hated it, too. It’s the best online game out there atm IMHO though, as almost every other game out there will have similar or worse problems.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend that I know.
I’ve just taken what has been said by Modern Warfare addicts and posted it here.
I don’t play it, and wont play it.

Simple as.

I think MW2 is a great example of balance personally. To cram so much in but still retain the level of balance it has is quite some achievement. The vast majority of what people complain about is counterable in some way shape or form too. I’ve switched to BFBC2 but that is a personal preference – in terms of smooth gameplay and controls MW/MW2 are better games. I prefer the larger scale, vehicles and teamwork mechanics of BFBC2 though.

@ DeSpiritusBellum

If its taking you upwards of 10 minutes to find a game in Battlefield: Bad Company 2, you’re doing something seriously wrong. I et into a game from the moment it starts looking.

“Perks: Yeah sure. They are definitely overpowered when you’re getting totally pwned because you’re a complete n00b. In other words, bad players tend to blame the game rather than their own ability to cope with something simple.”

Blaming the players for Infinity Ward’s design incompetence is just sad. They designed the game poorly and made it an unbalanced mess. These problems should not exist full stop, if the designers knew what they were doing.

“It’s the best online game out there atm IMHO though, as almost every other game out there will have similar or worse problems.”

I can think of at least 3 or 4 shooters off the back of my hand which don’t have these problems.

*splutter*
Me and M O’Connor agree?

Holy shitballs!!!!!!!
*Looks outside*
No, it isn’t raining sheep, there aren’t 4 horsemen riding on the horizon.
Just spoke to the devil, hell is still nice and warm.

What the hell is going on?

Shocking, isn’t it?

Somebody say something?

I reckon the point that’s been missed in these discussions is how much fun online is with MW2.
I mean you can just jump in for 10 minutes or 10 hours and have a good time with it.

As for the noob thing I mean i would class myself as a bit of a noob when it comes to online but that doesn’t mean I cant enjoy it.

If its not your thing fair enough but to say the online is not implemented well is just wrong imo.

At the end of the day you need to be on your game to do well and even then that may not be enough as some of the players are really sharp and will punish you if you fail to get the hit on them.

Overall I reckon IW done a great job all round on this one.
I mean you could say the match making could be implemented better but the truth is a guy on level 10 can be way better than a guy on level 50 say so how do you get around that one.

The perks are a good addition also as it just makes it more fun, especially when I get them.

“Blaming the players for Infinity Ward’s design incompetence is just sad.”

See the problem that I have is that whenever I prestige and start with the default load outs, I still consistently beat people of higher ranks who are playing with their ideal load out.

Fair enough, I DO agree that beginners should have the option to only play players of a similar rank, but there isn’t anything that stops lower ranked players doing well if they are actually able to.

“I can think of at least 3 or 4 shooters off the back of my hand which don’t have these problems.”

Seriously, I would love to know about these shooters where no-one camps, there’s no way to take advantage of whatever spawn system it employs and you’re always on an equal footing with experienced players no matter how you customise your setup.

Please tell me.

Every shooter has campers, no doubt but the amount of them in MW2 is just ridiculously high. In CoD4 it wasn’t a big problem because of the map design. Things like HBS ain’t really helping preventing this shit.

^
But you cant expect everyone to play the game your way in all fairness.
I would not be good at gun and run so do I just go away and say well that’s it then.
I mean if everyone played the same game it would be a disaster.

I’m much better at Uncharted 2 Multiplayer.
No campers, but there are some glitchers that ND needs to sort out.
Still a hell of a lot of fun.

@ 21:

lol. If I could show you the ridiculously long threads that I used to have about camping on the old CoD4 charlieoscardelta forums, you might be surprised.

If anything, I’d say that the excessive camping in CoD4 made me much better at dealing with them in MW2.

Anyway, the biggest proof that IW can put forward to say that they help you deal with campers is the kill cam.

Unless you’re playing Hardcore, you should always know where the little n00bs are hiding and how they took you out. This isn’t the case in many other games.

Camping is easily dealt with on MW 2 just be wary when going round corners. For those who say Battlefield BC is better then MW fair enough thats your opinion but going off how Dice are always calling IW out id say they are a bit insecure.

Heres how you deal with them guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2drRugdj7CQ

Lol class The reason MW is getting so much flak is because its at the top of its game right now, you always get haters when youre at the top.

“The reason MW is getting so much flak is because its at the top of its game right now, you always get haters when youre at the top.”

+1

Camping is an often misused term. Just because someone shoots you from a fixed position that isn’t camping. If they stay there the majority of the game – that’s camping. If they do that then they should be no problem to pick off. I like proper campers – they are easy points.

As Reask pointed out – don’t expect everyone to play the same way you do.

“The reason MW is getting so much flak is because its at the top of its game right now, you always get haters when youre at the top.”

Delusion egos, FTW. You’re trying to justify why other people can’t appreciate *your* experience by condemning their reasons as little more than baseless hatred for something popular.

Some of us are capable of thinking for ourselves, thank you very much.

I enjoy *plenty* of games that are “at the top”. WoW, Mass Effect 2, Uncharted 2. I dislike the game because it is an utterly unbalanced messed with bad game design and completely over-powered load-outs and set-ups that give unfair advantages to those who use them.

“I would love to know about these shooters where no-one camps, there’s no way to take advantage of whatever spawn system it employs and you’re always on an equal footing with experienced players no matter how you customise your setup.”

There isn’t a single over-powered set-up in Bad Company 2, Uncharted 2, or Team Fortress 2, and that’s only the ones off the top of my head. Every player has the same reasonable ability to succeed regardless of their set-ups (Bad Company 2 especially, considering that team-work is crucial to success), with skill being the one true determining factor.

Using an over-powered set-up in Modern Warfare 2 is like picking Sagat in Street Fighter IV, and if you honestly believe that a freshly prestiged player with no power-ups can whoop the ass of a team of people with the most over-powered set-up in MW2… you’re deluding yourself.

In multi-player games, balance is everything. Modern Warfare 2 has none.

@ O connor name some of these unbalanced perks then, Every perk in MW has a strength and weakness my friend. Its up to the player to figure these out.

A player is using a silencer put a motion detector on your gun. Players are using motion detectors use the Ninja perk etc. Its about using your brain and adapting you should try doing that sometime.

“I’m a complete whingey n00b… …blah, blah, blah… …and if you honestly believe that a freshly prestiged player with no power-ups can whoop the ass of a team of people with the most over-powered set-up in MW2… you’re deluding yourself.”

LOL!!!

Thanks, Michael, you make me feel all super charged and 1337! LOL!

Ok, I’m on the verge of a prestige right now. I’ll make some videos and they should be up by this time tomorrow. I’ll play some FFA with the basic setups and then you can admit that you’re only continually losing because you’re a n00b, and not because anyone has any unbeatable advantage over you.

Here’s me playing with no killstreak rewards on, btw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqbsq7oETo&feature=player_embedded#

“A player is using a silencer put a motion detector on your gun. Players are using motion detectors use the Ninja perk etc. Its about using your brain and adapting you should try doing that sometime.”

+1

You’re leveling up nicely, Mr Hindle.

Aye Giga coming up to second prestige i think.

@Michael about BC2/servers: I’m not even going to get into that one. We can time the search function on BC2 (on a day when the EA servers are working) and compare it to the one in MW2 any day, there’s simply no doubt which one is the more functional, even if MW2s does fuck up on occasion. Also, I’ve been kicked off servers for the strangest things, one time for being caucasian (even though my ping was sterling) – That sure as hell never happened in MW2.

And how can perks be overpowered? Everybody gets them, and the way the weapons are balanced means that once you hit level 8 (which really shouldn’t take you much more than 2 days if you’re even playing casually) then you have the exact same damage capacity as everybody else.

Like G1GA says, if you aren’t competitive in MW2, it’s simply because you’re that much worse at the game. The starting classes are more than adequate to do some real damage, and your favourite 3 killstreaks are very quickly restored. I have no problem with prestiging and going toe to toe with 70′s from the word go, in fact that’s one of the most stimulating challenges in the game to me.

Spawning doesn’t work every time, that’s for sure. If your teammate has himself surrounded, you’re probably dead. That’s what annoys me the most, although I’m yet to see anyone spawn directly front of me. The shotgun lag is also a real pain, but that’s still a lot less grief than you’ll get in any other shooter offering the same standard of gameplay, which is arguably very precise and balanced in general. I’ve had everything from my screen going black to my shots being blocked by an open window in BC2, if we assume that that’s the base of comparison. That’s a lot worse than anything you’ll get in CoD.

I disagree with filtering the lobbies based on your rank though. It is slightly humiliating to play against a Prestige 9 who shoots you in the head while scratching his balls, but that’s how you learn. Play against suckers and you’re gonna keep playing as one yourself. What’s really annoying is when it zeroes everybodys scores due to substitutions. That can lead to some really hopeless teams. At least the game still awards you points for hanging in there, so you don’t feel like you’re wasting your time completely.

Personally I welcome campers. If I know where they are, I can off them as easy as nothing. Cheap penetration kills. Even if they are douchebags for wanting to sit still an entire game.

Oh, and regurgitating stuff you read on forums rather than playing the game: Not so bright.

I’ve spoken to players who have put well over 2 years in CoD4, and played MW2 full on when it came out.
One was even ranked in Europe.
He too believe that MW2 is broken. And several dedicated CoD players traded their copies in after a couple of months.

It happens, get over it.

@G1GA
Oh noes! I now have a voice to the name! . You are a bit good aren’t you? A lot is intelligent play, knowing where to be generally aiming in the first place, but once you do spot someone you are scary accurate.

Thanks. I pretty much only ever used the P90 on CoD4, so I’m really comfortable with aiming with it. Although recently, I’ve gotten bored of using it, so I use other guns that I’m less accurate with to give myself a challenge.

There are better vids on my channel btw, but that one was relevant, because I’d turned off all of my killstreaks.

Noobtude (ridiculous blast radius), Scavenger (restocks *all* ammo, even your noobtube, which is game-breaking), Chopper Gunner (it wouldn’t be so bad if you couldn’t hit things without barely even aiming), and Nuke.

There’s your stupidly over-powered set up for you.

@39 If you can consistently get a nuke in one of every 10 rounds with that set-up, then I salute you. I rather strongly doubt it. I can count the nukes I’ve seen on one hand.

Chopper gunner only works on certain levels, and I’ve actually only heard it referred to thus far, as underpowered. The only place I’ve managed over 10 kills with it in one session is Wasteland, which is quite arguably the sloppiest map in the game.

I don’t see why you’d find that so hard to beat. None of it breaks the game or truly negates your own skill as a player. The noobtube takes a while to reload. A few shots to the head will fix that real good, Scavenger or no. I find Danger Close much more annoying. Although I totally agree that the blast radius makes it too easy, they should work some skill into that weapon.

The really dangerous players, and the ones who often end up with the nukes, are the ones you never see until your screen turns red.

Personally i find Stopping Power OP, its the type of perk no game needs. Having something that once equiped gives you a blatant edge over everyone that isnt using it is just stupid, in the end nearly everyones got it to not be left behind.
Also Marathon, Lightweight and tactical knife (though it works with the standard knife) combo is ridiculously stupid.

“The really dangerous players, and the ones who often end up with the nukes, are the ones you never see until your screen turns red.”

Nope, the ones who ofen do Nuke are the ones cheating. Or ‘boosting’ if you prefer.

Well I can tell you MOC I recently played my 12 year old daughters friend and she pwned me.
Her accuracy was way better than mine and her eyesight as well I reckon.

If you think there’s no skill to it you are mistaken imo.
As for perks well others have said it really they are there for all.
I would tend to agree with drdamn on the camping thing as everyone has to find there own way of playing.

Anyway the best way to sort this out is a vg247 ffa with no perks or headsets just you and the gun.

Ah but gek by using that you sacrifice something else which is the beauty of it really.
I mean stopping power or hardline for instance which do you take.
If youre getting plenty of headshots then hardline will do.
If you are about as accurate as mr magoo like me then stopping power.

With logic like that i can understand why you arent very good at the game.

LMAO @ gek.
Sure isn’t that what us bad gamers are there for.
To make you look good.
That offer is still open btw.
gamer tag is reask.

The average gamer really is a tool. I’m amazed that the game is still selling so well post-Activision bullshit, and we really have no proof that the remaining Infinity Ward employees will get any benefit from it.

Oh well, c’est la vie.

I’m really hoping that the IW devs split off eventually and form their own development house, free of Activision tyranny. Such moves have been great for developers in the past: Tim Schafer forming DoubleFine, ex-Blizzard North people forming ArenaNet, and I’m sure that ex-Infinity Ward developers will make a name for themselves, too.

“Noobtude (ridiculous blast radius), Scavenger (restocks *all* ammo, even your noobtube, which is game-breaking), Chopper Gunner (it wouldn’t be so bad if you couldn’t hit things without barely even aiming), and Nuke.
There’s your stupidly over-powered set up for you.”

Noob tube: Yes, we all hate the noob tube. I personally think it should be taken out of the game, but more because it’s cheap and annoying, rather than because it’s unbalanced.

I certainly don’t have any problems when I play 1v1 with someone who’s resorted to noob tubing.

As has been pointed out, it’s not all bad as far as this goes. You only get two rounds, anything close quarter has to be a direct hit, or you’ll shoot a ‘dud’, and it takes a long time to reload unless you have sleight of hand as a perk, which would also mean that you couldn’t use scavenger.

Scavenger: Not unbalanced at all. No matter how much ammo a person has, they still have to reload. Also, scavenger is pretty useless if you don’t find any bodies to resupply from. I’ve certainly never read or heard of anyone saying that scavenger was overpowered until now.

Chopper gunner: That’s why there are Stingers and Javelins. Even if you ignore that someone is actually good enough to get 11 kills in a row anyway, it’s a simple fact that anything that goes into the sky can be shot down in seconds. They can also be taken down with Predators and EMP’s.

Also, cold blooded makes you ‘invisible’ to all air support and sentry guns. So as soon as something gets called in, if you don’t have a Stinger/Javelin, switch classes to cold blooded and they’ll completely ignore you, leaving you free to run around as much as you like.

Other than that, do the completely obvious thing and stay in a building!

Nuke: When you get a 25 killstreak using only two killstreak rewards, let me know.

The game is actually incredibly balanced when you take everything into consideration. The worst parts of it are annoying, irritating and maybe even frustrating, but not unbalanced.

Lets face it, if there were some sort of uber load out, every single kid in the game would use it, but you don’t find that.

Some people snipe from long range, some run and quick scope, some run and gun with SMG’s, some run and knife, some camp, some spray with LMG’s, some noob tube, some play medium range, some rely on care packages, some stick to shotguns, some are good with pistols, etc, etc, etc.

One of the best things with MW2 is how customisable it is. I’ve played the online for nearly 240 hours now, and I’m still tweaking my setup.

It’s easy to blame the game if you keep getting killed by perks or killstreak rewards that you can’t use yet, but as someone else said, if you take a more thoughtful approach, you will probably find that you can do much better.

“With logic like that i can understand why you arent very good at the game.”

I agree with his logic, and I don’t consider myself to be bad at the game.

I used to think that I couldn’t play the game without Stopping Power, but I had to give it up for Lightweight and now I don’t see any point in using it at all.

Stopping power basically is for people who can’t shoot straight. A headshot or a few rounds in the upper torso is more than enough. I certainly have no probalem getting kills without it, and I’ve got now got my gold coloured callsign for getting 1000 P90 headshots.

Thanks for that Giga.
I was going to answer him myself but just couldn’t be bothered.
At least you know my stats and there not the best but pretty OK.

reask said:

Well I can tell you MOC I recently played my 12 year old daughters friend and she pwned me.
Her accuracy was way better than mine and her eyesight as well I reckon.

OMG!, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I CAN’T BREATH! YOU GOT BEAT BY A 12 YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! PLEASE SOMEONE CALL FOR HELP I’M ABOUT TO DIE OF LAUGHTER!