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		<title>By: Joe_Gamer</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-155238</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe_Gamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@OlderGamer

When you make a PC game the development tools are better, cheaper, and easier to use. All games are written and programmed ON a computer so making PC games is just easier. You also don&#039;t have to give up 20-30% of your profits to MS or Sony for licensing. Add in some Digital Distribution to cut out Gamestop/WalMart and you can make a decent profit without selling a bajillion copies. 

@skuphundaku

Thank you, that is a very good explanation. Movies, music, games, it&#039;s all just data, which is infinite, when your supply is infinite prices have to drop, just as you said, DRM is an attempt to introduce artificial scarcity to the market. Prices either have to drop or DRM will have to become really ridiculous, wanna take bets on which one the suits like more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@OlderGamer</p>
<p>When you make a PC game the development tools are better, cheaper, and easier to use. All games are written and programmed ON a computer so making PC games is just easier. You also don&#8217;t have to give up 20-30% of your profits to MS or Sony for licensing. Add in some Digital Distribution to cut out Gamestop/WalMart and you can make a decent profit without selling a bajillion copies. </p>
<p>@skuphundaku</p>
<p>Thank you, that is a very good explanation. Movies, music, games, it&#8217;s all just data, which is infinite, when your supply is infinite prices have to drop, just as you said, DRM is an attempt to introduce artificial scarcity to the market. Prices either have to drop or DRM will have to become really ridiculous, wanna take bets on which one the suits like more?</p>
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		<title>By: Bikki</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-155041</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA UBISOFT I LAUGH AT THEE http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5409766/Silent.Hunter.5.Battle.of.the.Atlantic-SKIDROW.iso___v1.1_Patch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA UBISOFT I LAUGH AT THEE <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5409766/Silent.Hunter.5.Battle.of.the.Atlantic-SKIDROW.iso___v1.1_Patch" rel="nofollow">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5409766/Silent.Hunter.5.Battle.of.the.Atlantic-SKIDROW.iso___v1.1_Patch</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yoshi</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-154990</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@2 all you gotta do is make sure your firewall doesnt let it connect to the internet :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@2 all you gotta do is make sure your firewall doesnt let it connect to the internet <img src='http://www.vg247.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: skuphundaku</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-154957</link>
		<dc:creator>skuphundaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@OlderGamer

I agree with you that not paying for PC games has damaged the PC games ecology (sorry if the metaphor is a bit over the top). BUT (and this is a big BUT) copyright infringement is not stealing. English law (Theft Act of 1968, Section 1) says: &quot;A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it&quot;. To further quote from the Wikipedia article on theft: &quot;The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another&#039;s property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty  and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.&quot;

As defined above, theft is defined by two parts of equal importance:
1) The act of taking someone else&#039;s property;
2) The intent of depriving that entity of the use of that property.
Copyright infringement (and patent infringement, for that matter) fulfills the first part of the definition but not the second, thus, they are not theft. It is a very important distinction to make because they are virtual constructs which, from the economic point of view, makes them infinite.

What the publishers are selling is access to the content, not the content itself. Before the Internet distributing the content was difficult so their monopoly was de facto (they had the infrastructure to do the publishing) and de jure (they had the government granted monopoly of copyright). After the advent of the Internet they kept their de jure monopoly but they lost the de facto monopoly, which greately reduced their control. What we see now, with all this DRM madness and consolization of gaming is that the publishers try to regain the de facto monopoly on distribution. PS3 has fared pretty well but all the other consoles or the PC DRM schemes have fared, from case to case, from worse to much worse.

Another very important thing to take into consideration is that the purpose of copyright (and patents) was (and, at least officially, still is) to stimulate the creation and furthering of new content and technologies. Unfortunately that noble ideal has been thrown to the wolves in favor of the IP owners trying to extort the largest amount of money out of their clients and potential clients. It is very easy to be swayed by the IP industry&#039;s &quot;sweat of the brow&quot; arguments. Nevertheless, those arguments are fallacious because, in the long run, they inhibit the development of new content and technology instead of stimulating it. I don&#039;t have a link handy to further support my argument right now, but if I were to take some time to dig though my bookmarks and documents I would find more than just one study that supports what I&#039;m saying.

The bottom line is that you need to look at all the facts and at the big picture in order to see how all this works. Just going with the gut feeling and your preconceptions that you (and the majority of all of us for that matter) have accumulated during an age in which physical property was the only type of property out there is detrimental to everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@OlderGamer</p>
<p>I agree with you that not paying for PC games has damaged the PC games ecology (sorry if the metaphor is a bit over the top). BUT (and this is a big BUT) copyright infringement is not stealing. English law (Theft Act of 1968, Section 1) says: &#8220;A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it&#8221;. To further quote from the Wikipedia article on theft: &#8220;The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another&#8217;s property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty  and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.&#8221;</p>
<p>As defined above, theft is defined by two parts of equal importance:<br />
1) The act of taking someone else&#8217;s property;<br />
2) The intent of depriving that entity of the use of that property.<br />
Copyright infringement (and patent infringement, for that matter) fulfills the first part of the definition but not the second, thus, they are not theft. It is a very important distinction to make because they are virtual constructs which, from the economic point of view, makes them infinite.</p>
<p>What the publishers are selling is access to the content, not the content itself. Before the Internet distributing the content was difficult so their monopoly was de facto (they had the infrastructure to do the publishing) and de jure (they had the government granted monopoly of copyright). After the advent of the Internet they kept their de jure monopoly but they lost the de facto monopoly, which greately reduced their control. What we see now, with all this DRM madness and consolization of gaming is that the publishers try to regain the de facto monopoly on distribution. PS3 has fared pretty well but all the other consoles or the PC DRM schemes have fared, from case to case, from worse to much worse.</p>
<p>Another very important thing to take into consideration is that the purpose of copyright (and patents) was (and, at least officially, still is) to stimulate the creation and furthering of new content and technologies. Unfortunately that noble ideal has been thrown to the wolves in favor of the IP owners trying to extort the largest amount of money out of their clients and potential clients. It is very easy to be swayed by the IP industry&#8217;s &#8220;sweat of the brow&#8221; arguments. Nevertheless, those arguments are fallacious because, in the long run, they inhibit the development of new content and technology instead of stimulating it. I don&#8217;t have a link handy to further support my argument right now, but if I were to take some time to dig though my bookmarks and documents I would find more than just one study that supports what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that you need to look at all the facts and at the big picture in order to see how all this works. Just going with the gut feeling and your preconceptions that you (and the majority of all of us for that matter) have accumulated during an age in which physical property was the only type of property out there is detrimental to everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: S0meRand0mN00b</title>
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		<dc:creator>S0meRand0mN00b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UBI are going to heeeeeeeeeeeeeeellll for this DRM :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UBI are going to heeeeeeeeeeeeeeellll for this DRM <img src='http://www.vg247.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: OlderGamer</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-154851</link>
		<dc:creator>OlderGamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok so the question I have is why bother? If your UBI or any other PC publisher, unless your doing a MMO w/suv fees to play(and yes they get hacked too - pvt servers all over the place), why even bother making games for the PC?

I honestly can understand hacking, err modding a game for features and enhancments. But out right stealing it? If I was a game pub, I would stick with consoles. To hell with the PC market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so the question I have is why bother? If your UBI or any other PC publisher, unless your doing a MMO w/suv fees to play(and yes they get hacked too &#8211; pvt servers all over the place), why even bother making games for the PC?</p>
<p>I honestly can understand hacking, err modding a game for features and enhancments. But out right stealing it? If I was a game pub, I would stick with consoles. To hell with the PC market.</p>
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		<title>By: razvan2you</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-154841</link>
		<dc:creator>razvan2you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guys forum Ubi are full of bullshit!The crack works just fine, no problems for me until now......Ubisoft is in denial......and desperate not to loose control....!Guess what Ubisoft...to late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guys forum Ubi are full of bullshit!The crack works just fine, no problems for me until now&#8230;&#8230;Ubisoft is in denial&#8230;&#8230;and desperate not to loose control&#8230;.!Guess what Ubisoft&#8230;to late!</p>
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		<title>By: scuz</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-154832</link>
		<dc:creator>scuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>could be like arma&#039;s copy protection where it fucks uppp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could be like arma&#8217;s copy protection where it fucks uppp?</p>
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		<title>By: Vodos</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-154822</link>
		<dc:creator>Vodos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4 Supposedly some people have problems advancing the training mission, but that may just be user error. I&#039;ll have a look myself tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4 Supposedly some people have problems advancing the training mission, but that may just be user error. I&#8217;ll have a look myself tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Freek</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/04/ubi-claims-cracked-pc-drm-reports-are-false/comment-page-1/#comment-154816</link>
		<dc:creator>Freek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if people are playing it and saving just fine, how is it not complete?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if people are playing it and saving just fine, how is it not complete?</p>
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		<title>By: N.E.R.D</title>
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		<dc:creator>N.E.R.D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes it works without internet connection and saves offline
red year 4 ubisoft</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes it works without internet connection and saves offline<br />
red year 4 ubisoft</p>
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		<title>By: Bulk Slash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bulk Slash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@1 Supposedly one of the features of Ubi&#039;s DRM that it saves your game remotely on their servers. Does Silent Hunter save the game locally too or are you still saving to their servers? If it&#039;s the latter, I wonder if Ubi will be able to block saving from hacked copies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1 Supposedly one of the features of Ubi&#8217;s DRM that it saves your game remotely on their servers. Does Silent Hunter save the game locally too or are you still saving to their servers? If it&#8217;s the latter, I wonder if Ubi will be able to block saving from hacked copies.</p>
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		<title>By: razvan2you</title>
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		<dc:creator>razvan2you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guys from ubisoft are realy funny.....!How isn&#039;t the SH5 cracked when i&#039;m playing it right now....and guess what....i didn&#039;t buy it....!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guys from ubisoft are realy funny&#8230;..!How isn&#8217;t the SH5 cracked when i&#8217;m playing it right now&#8230;.and guess what&#8230;.i didn&#8217;t buy it&#8230;.!</p>
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