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Valve says online retailers miss out by boycotting Steamworks

Thursday, 26 November 2009 14:29 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

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Valve’s Jason Holtman has told GI.biz that rival digital download sites like Direct2Drive, Impulse and Gamersgate that refuse to sell Modern Warfare 2 over the inclusion of Steamworks are missing out on business.

“To our minds, we think that if you’re making a good game and it’s got the services a customer wants it should get out in as many channels as possible. If you have a good portal and you’re good at collecting money from folks, and attracting them, there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be,” said the business development director.

“We try to make those services that developers and our customers want. Whether another distributor wants to carry them or not, we don’t have any say in the matter, that’s between Activision and other online distributors.”

Direct2Drive accused Steamworks of “forcing the user to install a Trojan Horse” earlier in the month, and while Holtman didn’t “comment on the comment” he did say that a lot more games featuring the tool are set for release.

“The interesting thing is, those games that have Steamworks features in them are really made to be the things customers want. Developers are choosing the features that make the game better. There’s no service where there are features you have to have, developers are choosing between those, he said.

“There’s a lot of games that came out in 2009 with Steamworks, and they’ll be a lot more games in 2010 that have Steamworks.”

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27 Comments

  1. Quiiick

    Fuck Valve!
    Fuck Activision!
    This is NOT what customers want!

    #1 5 years ago
  2. abbe

    Quiiick:
    Its what I want.
    So, Fuck you?

    #2 5 years ago
  3. Quiiick

    @abbe

    You want a a trojan horse on your computer?

    The article is about “steamworks” and not the games they sell.

    #3 5 years ago
  4. seregrail7

    Steamworks isn’t a trojan horse, if you think it is then you’re the dumbass. It provides stat tracking and achievements and much more. I want those.

    #4 5 years ago
  5. Quiiick

    @ seregrail7

    You, Sir, seem to have no idea what obscene amount of data Valve collects from your computer. Steamworks IS spyware.

    Now, if they gave you a choice to state what data you’re willing to share and what data you don’t want to give away that would be a completely different ballgame. But they do not let you specify this!

    Sure, they are not the only ones doing this kind of information theft, but does that make it anything better?

    #5 5 years ago
  6. abbe

    Quiiick:
    I didn’t talk about the games.
    Steam and Steamworks have never been a trojan horse.
    Dumbass.

    #6 5 years ago
  7. Dodo

    @ Quiiick
    It doesn’t take that much memory, atm it takes like 7mb on my computer, which is nothing compared to xfire (30mb) or firefox(120mb).

    It also doesn’t extract information about your computer, only if you do the hardware survey.

    It does track game data, but whats wrong with that?

    And seeing you first comment you just have something personal against valve and steam. If you don’t like the way pc gaming is going, buy a console!

    #7 5 years ago
  8. abbe

    http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.htm

    I think theyre pretty clear of what they collect, imo.

    “Collection and Use of Information
    By using Valve’s online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

    “Aggregate information” is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user.

    “Individual information” is information about a user that is presented in a form distinguishable from information relating to other users but not in a form that personally identifies any user or enables the recipient to communicate directly with any user unless agreed to by the user in advance of such communication. This information may be used to improve Valve’s products and online sites, for internal marketing studies, or simply to collect demographic information about Valve’s users.”

    If youre so paranoid of the stuff they keep on you, I present this section to you:

    Children Under The Age of 13
    Valve will not knowingly collect personally identifiable information from any person age 12 and under. Valve encourages parents to instruct their children to never give out personal information when online. Parents who are concerned about the transfer of personal information from their children may contact us at privacy@valvesoftware.com to obtain a record of any information held by Valve and have it removed at their request.

    #8 5 years ago
  9. Michael O’Connor

    *hands out tin-foil hats to nearly everyone in this thread*

    Here you go. Have a nice day.

    #9 5 years ago
  10. Dodo

    @ abbe
    Steam btw doesn’t collect the like personal data(if you pay with a credit card it will however.)

    The community site however takes every info it can get about the user!

    #10 5 years ago
  11. abbe

    Dodo:
    Indeed, but its not different from Play.com or any other site you buy things on.

    You can set your profile to be private, only accessible by friends or public and if you REALLY want to be private you can also set yourself as offline on the friends list, then things wont even be recorded on the community site (afaik).

    Or you can just play in offline mode, but that kinda breaks the point of steam. :)

    I think that if anyone is really concerned about Steam or your privacy, you really need to get off the internet, because every site you go to have something to keep track of its visitors and their behaviour, hell, even I have one on the shared blog I write on.

    #11 5 years ago
  12. blackdreamhunk

    out of the big 3 DD, steam is the best. Then I would say it’s impuluse from stardock.

    I don’t want to steam to control the pc dd market share. Here is why what if vavle retired and the next onwer hates pc gamers?

    the reasons I like steam is because they put alot of effort into their DD.

    I would say the same for impusle, those two are really good place to buy games online.

    It’s really hard not to pass up on good sales too.

    I have not tryed game tap but I hear they are good too.

    when plane scape and bladerunner is on gog.com I wil be trying them out.

    Steam just has alot more to offer pc gamers than must online DD

    #12 5 years ago
  13. Dralen

    I don’t mind it, but steamworks is a slight irritaton as well. If steam servers fuck up it means we cannot play our games.
    I also would like to say that I love steam, its great for PC gaming and its download service is the best.

    #13 5 years ago
  14. Quiiick

    @ abbe

    “…I think that if anyone is really concerned about Steam or your privacy, you really need to get off the internet, because every site you go to have something to keep track of its visitors and their behaviour …”

    No offense but this is the typical “take it or leave it” mentality. Black or white, no shades of grey allowed.

    And yes, I do have my browser-cookies turned off by default while browsing the interwebs. Anything else is just plain naïv.
    It’s not about sharing no information at all, it’s about being able to 100% control what you want to share.

    #14 5 years ago
  15. blackdreamhunk

    our freedoms have already been taken over by the nwo

    world war 3 is coming soon and so is the anti christ.

    big brother has already happened over in uk.

    I am not be suprised to see iran china and usa start world war 3.

    #15 5 years ago
  16. freedoms_stain

    @12, Why would anyone buy a pc game digital distribution system if they “hate pc gamers”?

    @13, pretty sure Steam games can be played with Steam set to offline mode as long as the game has been acticated previously.

    #16 5 years ago
  17. blackdreamhunk

    @freedoms_stain

    don’t you know it’s all about control and money these days :)

    I mean looking who’s running the show on gaming these days.

    personaly I really don’t care where i get my games. I am not going to pay $60 for game. when I can get it cheap on steam.

    besides I don’t want to support retail any more. I mean gamestop screwed meny pc gamers already and I don’t like micro soft.

    when onlive comes I’m moving over. Or any tech or company that will support good business for gamers.

    I will not be supporting loser game devs either

    i will not be buying any console junk too.

    http://gamerlimit.com/2009/11/limitcast-episode-25-the-survivability-of-pc-gaming/

    yea money sure does make money go around.

    if needs be i would just stop gaming, I don’t have an adiction of any kind and don’t have to spend any money on games.

    #17 5 years ago
  18. freedoms_stain

    Right, money, so nobody gains anything by driving business away, right? So who the fuck cares as long as they continue to provide the same service?

    #18 5 years ago
  19. blackdreamhunk

    @freedoms_stain things are changing you can’t stop it.

    i think people in big business should have thought of that long ago.

    #19 5 years ago
  20. freedoms_stain

    Thought of what? Changing things? Nah doubt they ever thought of that…

    Could you be any more vague btw? I now have no idea what we’re talking about. Your frankly astounding gift for tangentry has me at a loss, and not for the 1st time.

    #20 5 years ago
  21. blackdreamhunk

    I thought you were a very smart guy lol. any way i have posted my thoughts.

    my words are solid!

    #21 5 years ago
  22. freedoms_stain

    I’m certain you have posted your thoughts, that may well be the problem, they haven’t been translated into coherent English yet.

    #22 5 years ago
  23. Dralen

    Just thought I’d mention the only way you can get to steam in offline mode, is if your on steam already. You cannot start up in offline mode, unless on your previous shutdown you set it in offline mode.

    #23 5 years ago
  24. MushroomStamp

    I like steam and wish all pc games would go thru it… So stop speaking for all PC gamers.. because PLENTY of PC gamers like steam.

    #24 5 years ago
  25. DarkElfa

    Anyone that paranoid about stuff shouldn’t be on the internet ever.

    …and control is an illusion, didn’t you watch the Matrix? Watch it now or the Agents will come for you Quiiick.

    #25 5 years ago
  26. Phoenixblight

    @Quiiick

    All MMOs that are out currently collect data from you. Blizzard even has software that they use and give the info to the government to “track terrorists”

    #26 5 years ago
  27. Jadeskye

    I’m sitting here naked with a tin foil hat on.

    #27 5 years ago

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    With AR being all the go, it might be worth checking out virtual pet Animin for iOS and Android. Game-cards for Animin, the virtual pet for iOS and Android, are set to appear at UK retail this May, the developers have announced. Animin sits on your touch device and does cute stuff. The little dude […]

  • You won’t need a new GPU for DirectX 12, except for some features

    Microsoft has clarified that while you’ll need a new GPU to get the full potential of DirectX 12, existing hardware will support it just fine. Microsoft’s Mike Ybarra said in a press meeting following the Windows 10 event that you will need a new graphics card to get “the full benefits” of DirectX 12. “There […]

  • Assassin’s Creed Victory: fans speculate over characters and locations

    Ubisoft has not yet started talking about Assassin’s Creed: Victory, so some eager fans are speculating about everything they can just from those leaked screens. A very popular thread right now on the Ubisoft forums attempts to gather fans’ specualtion about characters, events and story of Assassin’s Creed: Victory. What followed was quite a lot […]

  • This is what co-op looks like in Dying Light

    Dying Light’s cop-op mode has been given a short demo by developer Techland. Dying Light supports drop-in/ drop-out co-op for up to four players. The entire campaign is playable in co-op, and there are special co-op challenges. Watch as four members of developer Techland take on the game’s zombie apocalypse. Dying Light is out January […]

  • Get Saints Row 2, Saints Row: The Third and all DLC for $5

    Bundle Stars’ latest bundle packs Saints Row 2 and the complete Saints Row: The Third for $5. The Saints Row bundle is priced $5. It is live now and for another 14 days. It comes with Saints Row 2, Saints Row: The Third – The Full Package, which is basically the game plus all the […]

  • Destiny: Xur location and inventory for January 23, 24

    Xur: Agent of the Nine has made the trek to Destiny’s Tower for another week of business. Destiny’s Exotics vendor, Xur: Agent of the Nine has arrived at the Tower as per the weekly schedule. Xur will sell you Exotic weapons and armour pieces if you have the Strange Coins to afford it. He also […]

  • Bloodborne is getting two special edition PS4s in Japan

    Sony will launch two limited-edition, Bloodborne-themed PlayStation 4 bundles in Japan. Two bundles are available, one in black and another in white, complete with a controller and a headset. The hard disk cover is engraved with the title and the cover shot. Both bundles come with the collector’s edition release of the game, which was […]

  • Best Destiny videos of the week – Xur vs Cryptarch rap battle

    Destiny has once more produced a slew of entertaining, educational and occasionally baffling videos. Destiny players have repeatedly sparked crazes by exploiting the game’s little foibles – Sparrow surfing is one example. This latest one is kind of mysterious; I don’t know how it’s done, or why you would want to, but Hidden Reach has […]

  • The Sims 4 free for 48 hours with Origin Game Time

    The Sims 4 is the latest game to be offered free through Origin’s Game Time promotion. The Sims 4 is now free to download from Origin, granting you a 48 hour window to try it out and see if you want to pay for the full game. The free time starts counting as soon as […]

  • Check out Destiny’s new PvP mode, Doubles

    Destiny Crucible players can enjoy a new kind of PvP action with Doubles. Destiny may not be as PvP focused as some Halo fans were hoping, but Bungie is slowly ramping up Crucible support, starting with better Iron Banner events. Some time ago the developer promised to introduce experimental game modes, and the latest Bungie […]

  • Halo: New Blood novel launching digitally in March

    A new Halo novel will explore the backstory of Gunnery Sergeant Edward Buck. Halo: New Blood is a digital-first short novel launching on March 2. The 60,000 word novel was penned by Matt Forbeck, an award-winning author of many licensed fantasy and sci-fi publications. It’s an all-new story, but fans of Halo 3: ODST will […]

  • Destiny players purchased 1.1 million Ice Breakers last week

    Destiny players know what’s hot, and Exotic sniper rifle Ice Breaker is definitely warm. Destiny vendor Xur offered Ice Breaker for sale last weekend, much to the delight of everyone yet to find this terrific bit of gear. According to the latest Bungle Weekly Update, Xur sold 1,143,320 Ice Breakers. He left the tower with […]

  • Dragon Age: Inquisition nets GLAAD special recognition award

    Dragon Age: Inquisition has been honoured for its diverse representation by LGBT advocacy body GLAAD. Dragon Age: Inquisition will receive a special recognition award for “the many complex and unique LGBT characters prominently integrated throughout the game”. GLAAD doesn’t normally honour video games (maybe one day, if we ever have enough that deserve it), but […]

  • The Order: 1886 AR game is full of puzzles

    The Order: 1886 has spawned a new promotional website with lots of info to ferret out. Called The Order Exposed, the new site pertains to be the blog of a missing researcher, who had been hoping to uncover the secrets of the alternate history. This on its own is quite interesting but it’s also full […]

  • Grow Home is the next game to follow Child of Light, Valiant Hearts

    Ubisoft has announced another small passion project in the wake of the success of recent releases. Child of Light, Valiant Hearts: The Great War and Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon are all the products of a new initiative at Ubisoft where the publisher lets key developers rest after big triple-A projects by working on something […]

  • What mysterious reveal is Xbox teasing for May 4?

    Xbox is teasing something we’ll be waiting quite a while to learn more about. Xbox community manager Raj Patel tweeted the following earlier today: Hmm… pic.twitter.com/4wBGu6xsDc — Raj Patel (@Rajio) January 22, 2015 NeoGAF users spotted the morse code in the background of the image, which translates as follows: “Presented by Xbox, 10am PDT, 1pm […]

  • 2011 PSN hack class action settlement claim forms available

    PlayStation Network members affected by the 2011 hack and downtime can now claim part of a $15 million settlement. The PSN was down for months on end in 2011 following a major hack, which resulted in user details being compromised. Sony apologised and provided free games as compensation, but unhappy gamers banded together in a […]

  • Final Fantasy 15 has a true open world

    Final Fantasy 15 doesn’t just have “open world gameplay”, it has a true open world – one continuous stretch of environment. “The world is connected by continuous land,” director Hajime Tabata told Gamespot. “If those areas were disconnected, it would feel distant from reality. You’ll find that you’ll be able to walk or drive or […]

  • Suikoden, Suikoden 2 EU PSN release date locked down

    Suikoden and its first sequel will be available via the European PlayStation Network soon. Suikoden publisher Konami has confirmed a February 4 release date for the two RPG classics. CONFIRMED! #Suikoden I & II EU #PSN release date is FEB 4TH! http://t.co/ObOIvZDJAK pic.twitter.com/aM760R2Gez — Konami UK (@KonamiUK) January 22, 2015 It’s been a long wait […]

  • Dying Light physical release set for February 20, says Gamestop Italy

    Dying Light’s physical release has been delayed, but at least one European retailer thinks it knows what’s going on. Dying Light’s physical release date is February 20, according to Gamestop Italy. According to Tmag (Italian, via Google Translate), there’s been no response from local representatives of publisher Warner Bros. Although the digital release will take […]

  • Free online multiplayer update now available for Trials Fusion

    Online multiplayer is now available as a free update to Trials Fusion. The online component includes three new four to eight player multiplayer modes on PC, PS4 and Xbox One and up to four players on Xbox 360. These are the three new gameplay modes included with the update can be found through a previous […]

  • This video for indie survival horror Monstrum features all in-game footage

    Monstrum launches on Steam Early Access January 29 and today, you can have a look at a video for it featuring all in-game footage. Developed by Team Junkfish the survival horror game set on a derelict cargo ship which combines roguelike elements, such as procedurally generated levels and permadeath thanks to AI driven predators. Monstrum […]

  • Here’s quick look at Dead Rising: Watchtower starring Rob Riggle

    A short look at the film adaptation of Dead Rising has surfaced. Transformers director Lorenzo di Bonaventura headed the project and it was directed by Zach Lipovsky. It stars comedy actor Rob Riggle as Frank West, along with Academy Awards nominated actress Virginia Madsen (Candyman, Sideways), Dennis Haysbert (24), Meghan Ory (Once Upon a Time), and […]

  • A Kickstarter for Underworld Ascendant will launch next month

    OtherSide Entertainment, an independent games studio fronted by Paul Neurath, has announced it’s developing Underworld Ascendant. Neurath is the founder and CEO of the new studio ad his resume includes franchises such as Thief, System Shock and 1992′s Underworld Underworld. The studio hopes Underworld Ascendant will “innovate and revitalize” the fantasy genre. More details will […]

  • APB Reloaded heading to PS4 and Xbox One during Q2 2015

    APB Reloaded will indeed be heading to PlayStation 4 and Xbox One during late Q2 this year, which puts its release sometime around the end of June. Reloaded Productions announced in September 2014 it was working on bringing the free-to-play PC title to consoles during the Digital Media Wire event in New York City. The […]

  • Game of Thrones: Episode 2 -The Lost Lords arrives in February – video

    Release dates for Game of Thrones: A Telltale Games Series have been announced. A new video offering a “first look” has also appeared. Below is the story synopsis, which you may want to skip if you haven’t played Episode One. House Forrester is in disarray. Their liege lord and his heir are dead, and Ironrath […]

  • The open beta for Nosgoth has gone live

    Consider this a friendly reminder: the Nosgoth open beta has started. Announced last week, the open beta can be accessed through the official website. Once you link your Steam account, just log into the service and start downloading the client. Everyone that plays the tester will receive double XP through January 28. More information is […]

  • First gameplay footage of Homeworld Remastered Collection being shown this weekend

    Homeworld Remastered Collection news and the first gameplay footage of Gearbox Software’s remake will be revealed at PAX South this weekend. The news and video will be shown during the Inside Gearbox Software panel at 10.30am CST on Sunday. It will also be streamed on Twitch. Gearbox is hoping to have Homeworld Remastered released by […]

  • Latest Final Fantasy Type-0 HD video delves more into combat

    Square Enix has released its latest Orience News video for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, and it provides insight into character combat styles and techniques. In the video you will see the elite combat force of Class Zero going deeper into battle to improve their skills. Combat is party-based and each of the three characters in […]

  • Something really cool happens when you finish Resident Evil HD *spoiler*

    Those who finish Resident Evil HD will be met with a really nice surprise at the end. If you wish to find out what it is on your own, DO NOT head below the break. You have been warned. According to images posted by Reddit user omeganemesis28, a thank you message from Resident Evil creator […]

  • Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain release date “should be” announced soon

    A release date for Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain “should be able” to be announced soon, according to the latest Kojima Station webcast. New information on the game will also be announced at the Taipei Game Show on January 31, per Game Spark (thanks, Gemtasu). “I know you’ve all been eagerly await for […]

  • Punch-Out!!, more Throwback offerings arrive on Nintendo US eShop

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with Punch-Out!!, Citizens of Earth and Part Two of the Throwback Sale. Here’s the entire update: Nintendo eShop releases Punch-Out!! (originally for Wii) – also 50% off until January 29 Citizens of Earth – introductory price of $11.99 until January 27 Breezeblox (Wii) Midnight (Wii […]

  • The Witcher Battle Arena has arrived on the App Store and Google Play

    The Witcher Battle Arena, CD Projekt RED and Fuero Games’ mobile MOBA, has been released. In Battle Arena, two three-hero teams fight it out as they try to capture and hold conquest points. The game features “no pay-to-win elements”, instead it contains a “player-friendly monetization system.” Every item and functionality can be unlocked entirely through […]

  • Second wave of Star Wars titles arrive on GOG, third wave next week

    The second wave of Star Wars titles will arrive on GOG.com today with more coming January 27. Today you can pick up the following: Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 3D (digital distribution premiere) Star Wars Rebellion (digital distribution premiere) Star Wars Empire at War: Gold Pack On January 27, the final three games of this wave […]

  • If Microsoft is serious about PC games, Xbox One should be the real Steam Machine

    Forget the magic space goggles. Maybe Valve doesn’t have the wherewithal to realise PC gaming’s TV dream, but Microsoft holds all the keys. If Microsoft really wants to get into PC gaming full-time, it needs to get around the table with Mr Newell and its platinum chequebook. “It’s time for us to talk about gaming […]

  • Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1 releases on Steam next week

    Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1 will be released on Steam for PC next week. The PC version of the was announced earlier this month and contains upgraded graphics, runs in 1080p, and has both Japanese and English audio. It will release on January 28 for $14.99. Fairy Fencer F and Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 2 also coming […]

  • Take a look at the controls and special abilities in The Order: 1886

    The Order: 1886 has a new trailer available that highlights the game’s controls and reveals the two special abilities the main protagonist has at his disposal. The game uses a similar control scheme to other shooters, but just in case you wanted to see more gameplay, we’ve got just the thing. The most interesting parts […]

  • These elderly people are better at GTA 5 than you’d expect

    Do old people get video games? Namely something known for its violence like GTA? Well, you’re about to find out. The latest REACT production sits a few elderly men and women in a room and lets them play GTA 5. The results are not what you’d expect, they start off getting a feel for the […]

  • More major Microsoft titles will be coming to PC

    Microsoft will bring more of its franchises to PC. Following on from yesterday’s big Windows stream, Microsoft has released a full recap on Xbox Wire. In the blog post, the firm hid a small bit of news revealing that Fable Legends will not be the only title to come to PC. “Today we announced that […]

  • Someone is attempting to recreate Dark Souls’ Lordran in Minecraft

    Lordran, the land of the ancient lords will soon be explorable in Minecraft thanks to a passionate modder. Davweed is a talented modder attempting to recreate the entire world of Lordran in Minecraft. Lordran is the land where the entire Dark Souls game is set. The goal is to make it a 1:1 scale of […]

  • Elite: Dangerous is getting Community Goals with update 1.1 – all the details

    Patch 1.1 is Elite: Dangerous’ first major update. Developer Frontier has detailed Community Goals, the big change coming with the patch, and more. We were told last week that big additions are coming with patch 1.1, due in February. Today, we learn in more detail what those features are. Namely, what the developer is calling […]